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2:07 PM
howdy @WilliamMariager
 
Howdy! o/
 
I have a potential game ending session coming up tonight. In about 4 hours. And I haven't had time to prepare yet.
Luckily, I tend to work well under pressure.
Not to mention I left the last session off with a conflict which I think will result in a dead player.
 
@WilliamMariager I certainly hope not which I think will result in a dead player ... I hope you mean a dead character?
 
Well I demand my players immerse themselves in their characters, so if he doesn't die for real I'll just penalize his experience gain ...
Only seems fair right?
I hope it's clear I'm joking :D
 
@WilliamMariager Does being dead inside count?
 
2:22 PM
Ohh. Definitely shows effort. I don't ask for perfect, so that'll do.
 
@doppelgreener golf clap for this answer
@WilliamMariager It's a fair cop, but society's to blame (Gratuitous Monty Python reference ...)
 
@KorvinStarmast Burn her!
@WilliamMariager Game ending via TPK or game ending via natural end?
 
これってこれだよね?
 
ha
 
Kinda both. They're in the process of trying to win what seems to be an unwinnable battle. And they were approached by a cult who have been worshiping some old scrolls they found. The cult said that they believed that the incantations were just the help they needed.
 
2:32 PM
oh boy. queue up Cthulu
 
@WilliamMariager Have you read Nine Billion Names of God?
 
While they deliberated on the issue, the mage was contacted by an demonic entity he's had a falling out with(Used some magic stuff he wasn't supposed to get his hands on). This demon wanted to make a deal. Don't cast the spell and destroy the scrolls. In exchange he'll ensure victory in the battle they're preparing for.
 
@KorvinStarmast thank you. :)
 
It's a short story, you can find it online, but the gist is: A bunch of Tibetan monks believe that once all nine billion names of God are written down, the universe will serve its purpose and come to an end, so they decide to hire a computer company to compute and print the names, because it will go faster that way
 
They immediately took this as proof that whatever the incantation does, it can only be a good thing.
However, a day later their cleric was contacted by his deity(while in the drunktank). The deity gave him instructions to destroy the scrolls at all costs.
 
2:36 PM
@WilliamMariager that's quite the pickle
 
So part of the group wants to cast the spell, and the cleric wants to stop them.
 
Ah, good old "enemy of my enemy" gambit
 
And they don't know what to make of it, because for the first time in a couple of years, the cleric is sober.
@SPavel, That's what I was going for yeah.
 
@WilliamMariager Clearly he's not in his right mind
 
Indeed. They're convinced the demon played a trick on him.
All players are psyched though. I tend to go light on the inter party conflicts. So when it comes up, they know something is up.
 
2:39 PM
Let us know how it works out, this sounds like a great session.
 
Now the idea with the scrolls was to be some kind of world ending thing. And I honestly thought they wouldn't consider casting it. But they played very well into different character traits and personalities and made the deduction that the demon must be afraid. And I like rewarding them for what they come up with if it's interesting.
I might just tone down what the scroll does in some way. Fail forward as BESW would suggest.
Ending the game has to be memorable I think.
And maybe this is the story of how the heroes ended the world.
Doesn't have to be a good ending. Just has to be memorable.
 
Maybe the scroll severs the planes - gods and demons both get shut out, the PCs are fine
Gods and fiends are both part of the eternal soul industrial complex
Mortals, not so much
Maybe the scroll personifies Death so you can then kill it
 
I like that. That's definitely a memorable ending. It's fitting since they're expecting an attack from a mix of undeads and fire mages. I imagine with all the planes severed, they'll see all the magic fizzle out.
 
@WilliamMariager Depends on the magic
 
No more miracles, no more wonders. The world just is.
 
2:46 PM
I also like the idea of a gradual event, gods Dunkirk-ing their followers out of there, fiends collecting their last contracts
 
I love it. Definitely going to try and do something like that.
 
@WilliamMariager If you have time to drop in a crazy guy with a "the end is nigh" sign before they start the ritual, make sure that he has a chance to flip it to "I told you so"
 
@SPavel So... the PCs create IRL Earth?
 
@Yuuki Well, that depends on the prevailing geography and physics
 
2:55 PM
Trying again:
yesterday, by nitsua60
Anyone who knows how the bots work: AngryGM has recently rebuilt their site and I believe today's new article didn't come through the ticker. Wanna poke at the feeds and the site and see if something obvious is going on? Thanks.
 
Well, now that I have an exciting plan for tonight, I can trust my players to go in a 3rd direction I didn't consider. :P
That's why I always plan loosly and improvise a lot. They're too creative.
First world problem I guess.
 
@nitsua60 That means they (AngryGM) likely changed the location of their RSS feed.
The only thing you'd need to do is find the updated link and change it in the room feeds.
Hmm... I can't seem to find an RSS feed on their site.
Did they remove it maybe?
 
@Yuuki It hasn't. (I.e. feed is still the same URL, and it never changed.)
@Yuuki it's just angrygm.com/feed
They don't advertise it, it's just there.
 
@nitsua60 ... That's really poor site/blog design.
 
sorry, theangrygm.com/feed
 
3:02 PM
Like they don't need to put in blazing <marquee> elements, but there should at least be a link posted somewhere.
Hmm... re-add the feed?
 
And then this is our current feed for the room:
 
Are you sure there is a new article up? I cannot see it on the site.
 
I also don't see a new article, and the newest thing on their feed is
<title>Let&#8217;s Build a F$&#038;%ing Dungeon Adventure (Part 1)</title>
<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
So i dont think its on your bots end, if there's any issue its their end
 
@SirCinnamon yeah it looks like they just haven't been updating their feed. That is still the only RSS feed on their site, too.
 
@doppelgreener Out of curiosity, how did you check if it was the only feed?
 
3:16 PM
Comments feed has been getting updated; main feed hasn't been.
@SirCinnamon Text search in the dev tools DOM inspector.
 
Oh cool, nice sleuthing
 
cheers guv
 
@SirCinnamon Yeah, that's the one that didn't come through on the ticker yesterday. Or the day before. I'mlosing track of time.
 
@nitsua60 It was posted two weeks ago according to the comments and date on the feed there
 
@nitsua60 Fix it by pinging Angry GM about it and telling them their RSS feed isn't getting updated. :)
 
3:19 PM
@SirCinnamon wait-what?
 
@nitsua60 pubdate: thursday, 08 march 2018.
 
@doppelgreener Yeah, I'm on his discord and yesterday I told him I'd poke around.
 
@nitsua60 <pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2018 12:00:25 +0000</pubDate> - and the comments are also dates 8th of march
 
@nitsua60 Cool. Well, it's his website not doing something. If this was a newspaper, the printing press never shipped the papers. It's nothing to do with us not receiving them correctly.
 
Now I'm thoroughly confused.
 
3:20 PM
If it was ACTUALLY posted yesterday, their servers must be wildly out of time sync
 
@doppelgreener Okay, thanks.
I might be a complete idiot: in Discord Angry mentioned a post had been written but I might have heard that as posted.
 
@nitsua60 Haha whooops
 
Communication: People Are Bad At It™
 
Reading: Do It Gud.
 
4:05 PM
Reading: not just some place in the UK
 
How do you pronounce "Acererak"?
 
@GreySage While screaming in terror
(personally: ah-SEH-reh-rak)
 
4:47 PM
@doppelgreener @nitsua60 Is intent enough of a reason not to have a dupe? It seems like it isn't, but I"m usually wrong.
 
@NautArch In this case both are asking "Can I grapple while grappled"
I would say intent shouldn't matter, unless it actually leads to trying to resolve something new. If there were different rules for grappling-with-intent-to-stop-dragging, then they wouldn't be dupes
 
@GreySage Yeah, being grappled is not being restrained. I am with Gray Sage on this.
 
5:10 PM
I see we are going for another test of our designer reasons policy today lol
 
@Rubiksmoose What do you mean?
 
@GreySage @KorvinStarmast that was my feel, but I wanted to get consensus before responding
 
@Rubiksmoose I don't see that question as a real designer reason question, personally
 
@GreySage me? "Ass-crack." Not joking.
 
@NautArch the measure is whether it's the same question that will get the same answers. If the intent materially changes the answers then it's not a dupe. It sounds like they should instead be asking "I want to do this very specific thing in order to achieve this very specific outcome. Does that work?" — but that's only if the dupe target doesn't give them a clear answer already.
 
5:40 PM
FWIW I agree that the grapple question is a dupe - it doesn't matter why you want to reduce the opponents speed. Grappling reduces the speed, you can grapple, the end
 
@GreySage I mean I did ask the person and they said that was their intent.
@doppelgreener But we don't mark question as duplicates only if they will have the same answer though right? The questions themselves have to be virtually the same.
 
@Rubiksmoose @GreySage Are you guys certain you're talking about the same question
 
@SirCinnamon (very good point) I am talking about the LMoP Q
 
@Rubiksmoose Then where does the second 'R' go?!
 
@GreySage I'm really not sure
They explain somewhere something about it being difficult to say? I can't find it atm though. (and it also doesn't really explain where that letter goes)
 
5:51 PM
@Rubiksmoose I'm asking about this question
Is there a fundamental difference between "Can a grapplee grapple the grappler" and "Can a grapplee grapple the grappler in order to prevent being moved?"
 
@NautArch I know you were. My responses to you were definitely about that question.
@NautArch in this case the answer is no, because the mechanical implications are very clear and the same.
 
@Rubiksmoose I think @Katie was having a bit of an X/Y problem, she thought the module was too hard and so asked why it was, when the real problem is that she thought the module was harder than it actually is.
 
@Rubiksmoose That was my belief (and why i closed it as a dupe)
but the argument presented made me question that
 
@GreySage Yup. I figured that was how the question would actually get answered, but it needed to be clear at least what she thought she wanted so as to limit any potential "why" guesses as answers.
@NautArch Yeah marking duplicates seems like a bit of an ever shifting artform honestly. Part intuition and part policy.
@doppelgreener may I ask what the decision was about the fireproof question? It is now reopened, in its original form and it still has an answer that doesn't seem to actually answer the question. So it doesn't seem that anything has actually been done to it (besides the community reopening it).
 
6:09 PM
@Rubiksmoose “What damage does a sword do? I intend to have my fighter hit some goblins with one.” vs “What damage does a sword do? I intend to have some goblins stab my party's fighter in the back with one.” -- Functionally the same question, functionally the same answers.
The question post is different, just not in a way we care about for Q&A purposes.
 
@doppelgreener Yup I agree, I was just making sure that I was understanding you correctly.
 
@Rubiksmoose Thanks for letting me know. I'm going to confer with the other mods. Chances are Lino's answer will be deleted, unfortunately for them. In the meta Q the community is reaffirming a strong desire for designer reasons inquiries to be backed up by citation. No citation = not an answer. Lino's answer declines citation, but I feel it would be incorrect to allow an answer like that: it means we allow “here's my wild guess” so long as it also asserts “they haven't said anything” somewhere.
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Since we don't want “here's my wild guess” it means we're also not looking for “they haven't said anything, so here's my wild guess”.
 
thanks for the response. I feel like that is the best option out of many imperfect ones.
 
I agree.
 
As much as I think Lino's answer is likely correct, I agree as well. FOr designer intent questions, the only available options should be ones citing designers.
 
@NautArch no. Because a good answer to one answers the other
 
@NautArch I don't feel that it is actually. Seems solidly rules-based to me.
 
@Rubiksmoose Where is the rule on magical net properties?
even in the cited answer by @Miniman, it is suggested a magical net would need to be homebrew.
 
I don't see why it's necessarily opinion based. What if it wasn't a net? I reckon you could you answer this in terms of "Can a magical <WEAPON NAME> be repaired and keep its magical properties"
 
@MikeQ Because no other weapons have a property that if X damage occurs it's destroyed.
you can't even disintegrate a magic item/weapon.
 
6:42 PM
Okay, so we have an item that is both destructible and a magic weapon (nigh-indestructible). It's an ambiguous situation, but I wouldn't say it's opinion-based.
 
@MikeQ Well, we have an item that MAY be destructible. But if it is assumed that is destructible, then it's not opinion-based.
I'm jsut not sure it's assumable.
 
hmmm I see what you are saying. I'm unsure now.
 
@NautArch They included a reference a RPG.SE question that says magical items are destructible
 
@MikeQ And that answer cites that due to the properites of nets, a Magical net would likely be a homebrew.
Note that these are just the baseline rules - all of this is up to your DM to determine, especially since a magical net is probably, although not necessarily, a homebrew item.
That answer is really just about "magic items can be destroyed" and not specifically about the net. When Miniman gets specific, he added that huge caveat.
 
I guess the main question is whether a broken magic item is still magic
 
6:54 PM
And, pure poll question, how many people have had a magical item destroyed?
 
@NautArch Not at all.
 
@NautArch Lots of times... in 3.5/PF. Can't remember it happening in 5E for non-homebrew items.
 
Yeah, so there's that, too :)
 
I honestly think that line is only for things like wands and such.
 
your answer is totally legit and covers magical item mending should it be applicable
have an updoot
 
7:05 PM
@NautArch thank you sir :) I'm still a bit unsure about it, but there just aren't really general rules for this kind of thing in 5e. Definitely an edge case, but I think the reading of the effect is convincing enough to make a ruling on it.
 
@Rubiksmoose Yes, seems legit.
And I"ve had magic weapons Mended.
not in AL, though.
But I think understanding how a Magic Net works vs a Mundane Net is a more important question.
 
we'll see if someone find a chink in my argument soon enough though.
 
Theres nothing that says damage to a magic item removes the magic
 
@NautArch I mean a +1 net would just do 1 damage presumably and have resistance against damage.
 
in the general case that is
 
7:09 PM
@Rubiksmoose Nets don't do damage.
So it would likely just apply to the attack roll.
see here
 
Does hitting someone with your +1 Plate Breastplate deal +1 damage I wonder
 
@SirCinnamon it does not! (according to JC)
 
And it shouldn't. It's an improvised weapon. Being +1 armor doesn't matter.
 
@NautArch right but 0+1 could be argued to be 1.
 
@Rubiksmoose except in the case of those answers :)
 
7:12 PM
Jokes aside I'm pretty sure I would say it does not do damage
 
@Rubiksmoose null+1
 
@NautArch I mean I agree that another class feature can't add damage to it
 
the chosen answer is what they wanted to read, but it doesn't change the fact that a Net does NULL damage. Not 0, but null.
 
a nullian+1
@NautArch that is fair
 
i'm annulling this discussion
 
7:13 PM
also, again, JC agrees
 
Well I just checked javascript and it says null+1==1
 
he's a superstar
 
@MCMurtagh The intent is that a net doesn't deal extra damage because it's not dealing damage in the first place.
Sneak Attack causes the weapon it uses to deal more damage. The intent is that an unusual weapon like the net that deals no damage doesn't magically start dealing damage with Sneak Attack. But a DM is free to override that intent. The RAW certainly isn't entirely clear here. #DnD https://twitter.com/dcoffron/status/956911512282648576
 
"JS" > "JC" == true too, so it looks like javascript wins
 
hahaha
 
7:14 PM
To be honest Net shouldn't really be a weapon
Sort of a weird middle ground
 
@SirCinnamon But how else would you make cyber-attacks?
 
@SPavel with the spell web
and a log
 
@Rubiksmoose Nobody on the Web can spell
 
7:28 PM
@NautArch thank you very much for that edit you just made
 
@doppelgreener np
normally i don't remove 'fluff' type langauge to let people write in their own parlance, but that was a bridge too far.
 
I agree completely
 
@SirCinnamon but does it apply to damage?
 
@NautArch I sure hope not
Dont want to hurt Doppel
 
7:34 PM
i have diamond armor
 
@doppelgreener shiny
 
It protects me from all forms of damage except emotional
 
@doppelgreener vulnerability?
 
@doppelgreener psychic*
 
I have innate resistances to emotional damage
But the diamond comes with increased proclivity to attempts to deal it
 
7:36 PM
I'm hoping ADKCourage comes back. I think this is an answerable question after they narrow to cantrip damage focus.
I'm debating about doing it myself, but I don't want to totally second-guess them.
 
Better they come back, put in some work and get a good answer back after willingly doing what we needed to provide one, than we give them an altogether wrong answer they didn't want based on things that aren't true which they may feel too awkward about to correct
 
I am very hesitant to address or invite requests for character builds on RPGSE. They aren't really suited for a Q&A site.
 
@NautArch which Q?
 
@Rubiksmoose The players argue my rulings" one
 
@Rubiksmoose linked to it. The one one optimized sorlock.
 
7:38 PM
Though if you see an obvious way to edit it based on information they've given us that makes it reopenable and solves the things they're asking for (or one of them, if they're asking for too many different things) feel free to try editing.
 
@doppelgreener sho nuff.
hopefully they come back
@doppelgreener I think they want to optimize a cantrip-focused sorlock.
 
@NautArch I meant the "fluff" question lol
 
@MikeQ We can handle them when they're very specifically "I want to achieve X character build and need pointers to start this kind of thing" and "I have 99% done this build and need advice on achieving the final piece to achieve X outcome", everything between seems to not work
 
@Rubiksmoose oh, take a look at the edits on the latest 5e question.
 
@NautArch oooo yeah. very good edit. Not cool.
@doppelgreener I'm not sure I've ever seen one posted here that didn't need at least a few edits to make it workable though.
 
7:42 PM
Also "how would I build Gandalf in this game" is generally POB too, same for other fictional characters. Everyone has a Personal Gandalf they will tell you how to build. Some are bards, some are wizards, some are fighters with a dip in cleric, etc.
 
@NautArch btw I posted an answer to your phantasmal force Q. Curious to see what you think of it.
 
@Rubiksmoose yeah needing some edits and further clarifications is very common, but still manageable
 
@Rubiksmoose just commented, I think I figured out the crux of the problem in the spell language.
 
@doppelgreener POB?
 
@doppelgreener oh, for sure. They still work But we have a very narrow window that they can fit through I think.
 
7:44 PM
@MikeQ primarily opinion based (closed as)
 
@doppelgreener Ah, right. Also, everyone knows that the "real" Gandalf build is artificer. Let us not forget the expanded universe detail that Gandalf's staff is actually a well-disguised rifle, and the expanded expanded universe detail that reveals that Shadowfax is actually a robot.
 
@Rubiksmoose check out this comment. May affect your magic net answer.
 
@doppelgreener Gandalf was a time-weasel
 
@NautArch already responded :)
 
Hot take: Gandalf was a PF Cavalier.
 
7:50 PM
Cavalier take: Gandalf was a hot pocket
 
Nuclear take: Gandalf was a kobold shifter.
 
Gandalf was a barbarian.
 
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@Rubiksmoose He did smite the balrog's ruin across the mountainside.
 
@Yuuki "You shall not pass... within 10ft of my mount!"
 
7:51 PM
Although I always wondered why he spent two weeks smacking a corpse around a mountain.
 
Gandalf was a dragon.
 
@Yuuki Altitude sickness
 
Like, the balrog's already dead and ruined, why did you continue to smite it around the mountainside?
And since you took so long doing it, you obviously had to take Long Rests to recover your spell slots.
 
Oxygen deprivation compromised his judgment. That's why he became Gandalf the White - frostbite set in.
 
@Yuuki It took a long time because Gandalf was playing 4e, and the Balrog had enough HP to cause integer overflow
 
7:55 PM
@MikeQ Maybe Gandalf was playing 3.5 and fell off the RNG
 
New discussion topic: How much knowledge of the game mechanics should PCs and NPCs have, before risking damage to the 4th wall?
 
> They are there, meeting out vengeance.
D&D Beyond, pls
It's "meting out vengeance".
 
i prefer to meat out vengeance
 
Or just "meting vengeance".
 
@MikeQ Of mechanics, none. Of the things the mechanics model, as much as can be acquired by experimentation in the world.
 
8:01 PM
@MikeQ example?
 
@NautArch Meat au vin, Jaunce?
 
A +5 sword is a mighty weapon but the fighter probably doesn't know it's +5
The wizard that enchanted it might say that he used "Archmage Bernard's process" which costs as much as a +5 weapon and improves the weapon as much as one can without getting into rare mythical magic.
 
I'd think it's more like a +1 sword makes it easier for you to hit and hurt, a +2 moreso, etc etc.
 
So the fighter knows he has a sword that's better than his old sword (oog +4, ig enchanted with a slightly gimpier method)
 
but they also aren't called +1/+2. If anything, 5es nomenclature of rare/very rare makes sense in-world.
 
8:04 PM
@NautArch "easier to hit" doesn't mean anything
 
@NautArch As in knowledge of different classes, alignments, or creature types. Maybe even quantitative bonuses.
 
Is it sharper? Lighter? Does it guide itself as you swing it?
Perhaps time itself seems to slow down as you swing the weapon and focus on delivering a blow to the enemy's weak points.
 
@SPavel Once you become the One, all the green code in the sword is composed of +1s.
 
Perhaps fate itself ensures that your opponent just happens to be in the path of your steel.
@Yuuki I attack the closing bracket on the dragon's code, causing its layout to disintegrate.
 
@Yuuki You can upgrade your +1 weapon to a +10 weapon, then +11, +100, and so on.
 
8:07 PM
@MikeQ I'd think PCs and NPCs would have knowledge of those things relative to their experience.
Alignments are trickier, but they're hard enough in 5e for players.But I think if you had an ability/spell that told ou their alignment it's the same as knowing "this is a lawless, bad man"
 
@NautArch Cosmic Lawfulness != legal codes
Also Evil != Bad
you bought into Good-aligned propaganda
 
@MikeQ I remember that. That was a very strange set of plot twists.
 
@NautArch Right, ok, let's leave alignments alone for now. That's an entirely different rabbit hole. I meant more like... does a druid know they are a druid? Is there something inherently druid-y about them, that distinguishes them from a nature cleric or woodland bard? Do they have a druiding license?
 
8:11 PM
@MikeQ They know Druid
If you don't know Druid, you are not a Druid
 
@SPavel Yes, the 1st rule of Druid Club is you don't talk about Druid Club, and you definitely don't talk about it in Druidic
 
@SPavel that is amazing.
 
@MikeQ No it's fine to talk about it in Druidic because nobody else can understand you
Druid is actually a really bad example because they have so many class specific things
Something like Hexblade vs Duskblade maybe
 
@MikeQ Given historically in D&D there have been guilds of various classes, I'd say yes, they know.
 
Both are swords guys that do magic, they wear armor and use weapons, but one is mean and one is..not?
Spell-less Ranger vs Scout is a good one
Especially since many would multiclass
 
8:17 PM
@NautArch I didn't realize that was a thing. Could an eldritch knight or arcane trickster join the wizard guild? Or do they join the bard guild?
 
@MikeQ They didn't used to have those.
 
@MikeQ Arcane trickster would join the Thieves guild most likely.
Eldritch knight the FIghter's guild.
sublcass vs class
"Are you a fighter?" "Have you tried to find fighting work?"
 
@NautArch so are you saying there used to be a fight club?
 
@doppelgreener Yes, but they didn't talk about it.
also, anyone get my quote reference above?
 
@NautArch I see, yes.
 
8:19 PM
how is cover from allies/enemies supposed to work?
 
@NautArch That seems really clunky though. The logic "I fight, therefore I'm a fighter" does not apply?
 
@NautArch Are you a fighter? How many times have you fought over the past week? On a scale of 1-5, how much do you agree with the following statements: I like swords...
 
I know it's often ignored
 
@goodguy5 In 3.5 it was called soft cover
Maybe that helps
 
@NautArch Have you tried not being a bard?
 
8:20 PM
ooh. found a 5e question on the stack
 
OMG my girls in the @LWGMS D&D club made me birthday cards and pleaded with me not to kill their characters! 🐲❤️⚔️❤️🛡️❤️🎂
 
cute
 
I still think that trying to address the game mechanics within the narrative is awkward. Like how one wizard can spend decades studying and researching and get nowhere, but another wizard can kill some goblins and suddenly they're more advanced.
 
@MikeQ Go study how to play baseball for a decade without picking up a bat.
 
8:29 PM
@SPavel That analogy would work if baseball skill was supposed to derive from knowledge and intelligence
 
I personally know loads of very smart people who went out into the world after years of academic study, and wiped out applying any of the skills they learned.
Plus, given that things like arcane somatic components are a thing, magic does require precision and coordination.
 
@MikeQ I mean, I don't know anything about baseball, but I think there's something you can do regarding analysis of pitching styles as a batter.
 
The same way that sikk dance moves require coordination, and yet you wouldn't file them under DEX
 
@SPavel Who needs coordination when you can simply convince people that you're a great dancer?
 
@MikeQ You can fool some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time...
 
8:32 PM
@SPavel 60% of the time, it works every time.
 
Or if you have bad Bluff, none of the people none of the time
 
@Yuuki Knowing HOW to do something is different from being ABLE to do something.
 
Or, you could kill enough goblins until you become more proficient at everything, which includes dancing.
 
@SPavel awww. :D
 
@MikeQ Kill goblins with your awesome dance fighting skills
 
8:34 PM
"Why did you cast featherfall on those orcs?"
"Dammit, I meant to cast fireball, but couldn't get my fingers to snap."
 
@doppelgreener Can we get chat rooms for the Q and A of this: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/118975/… please?
 
@GreySage Autocomplete, it'll be the death of us all if the wizard ever casts Chain Lightning instead of Charm
 
@Rubiksmoose pew pew
 
@doppelgreener thank you much!
 
I really cannot love more that the San Diego Girl Scouts have a Tabletop Role-Playing Games Patch. More info here on the Dungeon Scouts: http://www.dungeonscouts.com/ #dnd #rpg #tabletop
 
8:38 PM
ALL IN A DAY'S WORK, CITIZEN.
@BESW wow, awesome!
 
@BESW That is incredible :D
 
@BESW I can find the class "scout" in the books, but what is this "girl" race?
 
@SPavel 👈 @trogdor do you think one of Doctor Light's mentors might have had something to do with this?
 
 
@BESW And then you have Drow.
Also, Eunuch Warlock.
Also for some reason Swanmay is female only, but Swanmay sucks anyway
The subtext on that one is weird too
 
8:45 PM
Thankfully 4e didn't have gendered stats, but the sexual dimorphism in the art sometimes reached Warcraft levels of messed up (tieflings, I'm looking at you).
 
Also, dragonborn with breasts.
 
Oh, that's because Io borrowed the humanoid template from Moradin.
[wry]
 
@SPavel wew got have those mammalian features even if you're half-reptilian
 
8:53 PM
@Yuuki Dragonborn are not half anything
 
@doppelgreener oh, ranger...
 
@SPavel Dragonborn are all dragon, all the time baby
 
Aug 24 '17 at 2:55, by nitsua60
@Adeptus I'm tempted to play a Dr/Ftr multiclass and tell the people at the table I'm a ranger. Then watch their jaws drop as I seem to work well =)
 
@GreySage Time babies?
 
@nitsua60 Doctor/Fighter multiclass?
 
8:54 PM
@Yuuki Time weasel children
 
May 15 '17 at 2:55, by nitsua60
[You two are just lining them up for me to shoot down. I'd have to be... a ranger to miss!]
 
oh no....
 
Feb 19 '17 at 13:02, by nitsua60
Ranger: easiest for you, because you just make it the same level as the party and you'll know its underpowered.
(only one more)
Oct 5 '17 at 3:36, by nitsua60
I mean, the [ranger] class is literally predicated on the "I'd like to go off and do my own thing in the woods" notion. Turns out (IMO) it's actually decent at just that =)
 
@nitsua60 hey hey this is a family chat
 
this is moderator brutality
 
8:56 PM
Just pointing out some ranger/balance conversations we've already had. They're not all bad =)
 
@doppelgreener probably not, but perhaps instead he had a mentor that accidentally turned someone into a mushroom and never got around to switching them back
 
@trogdor hahaha
 
It's so amusing to me that in 4e, Ranger was the easymode PHB1 class that came optimized out of the box.
 
because as we have learned Dr Light must have learned irresponsibility somewhere
 
(They had a lower optimization ceiling than many other strikers, but their floor was ridiculously high.)
 
8:59 PM
@trogdor and questionable scientific ethical standards
 
yes yes quite
 
@BESW cascade of blades round one 1-shot Orcus gg
 
@BESW It's amusing to me that if I join a 4e game on only a PHB1, it'll probably end up being a ranger I play =)
 

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