hey there @goodguy5 @Rubiksmoose

hey there @nitsua60

Howdy y'all

@BESW sounds like you had fun re-organising your Ki Khanga rules

@KorvinStarmast I've got two different, smallish answers I've dropped on that one. I'm not displeased with them. It does, however, end up being a very idea-generation-ey question. I wonder how it would be handled now if it were posed, without the halo of history obscuring its imperfections.

@Shalvenay hiya

(Khanga-rooles?)

Howdy.

hey there @JuneShores, how're things going?

@nitsua60 can I ask how much of a survival focus you're thinking about for our campaign?

@Shalvenay I'm not married to your chances of survival. I'll be fine either way.

@goodguy5 also since you already have answers you shouldn't change the conditions without cause

@nitsua60 :P haha. I mean -- in terms of "logistics of exploration is going to come into play heavily" vs. "that gets swept under the rug while the party deals with whatever monsters roam the innards of Chult"

Going alright. I got paid for a thing and also I start HRT next week.

I bought a copy of Tails of Equestria, which I am both awestruck by and deeply frustrated with.

@Shalvenay (I tease, I tease....) I don't know about heavy vs. light, but I read this adventure as having a strong component of "overland travel/survival/adventuring is a thing that we used to have fun doing but many current-generation published adventures don't really incorporate; here's what we find fun about it." (cc: @trogdor @KorvinStarmast)

@nitsua60 ah :)

@Rubiksmoose good point thanks

@goodguy5 people get upset ( and for good reason) when people change the question significantly after answers have been put up

@goodguy5 I can confirm from experience lol (both ways)

thanks for looking out :)

this one guy says he can get to 1k damage. I'm super curious

It's one thing when you've got a question in mind that you've mis-stated and comments or discussion make you realize you should clarify. We want you to post the question you have, and for it to get good answers, so of course you should clarify it if necessary. (And that's why we believe in holding "unclear" questions, editing, and reopening.)

But in your case it's not that you mis-stated something originally. You had a question, the answers to that question prompt a slightly different question in you mind now.

it was more that someone specifically asked about setup time. and I hadn't considered it

@goodguy5 it seems like a borderline case to me. I didn't look thoroughly, but if it changes or invalidates answers you should definitely strongly consider that

Yeah--that's why hypotheticals/"just curious" questions tend to be a little problematic. When there's not an actual table-situation to which they apply it's not easy to write one that specifies all these details that don't actually exist =)

boy does it. I'm more understanding of why it was put on hold in the first place!

@goodguy5 hasn't it been put on hold several times actually?

shhhhhh

@goodguy5 lol

only twice

er... no more than 3 times. so definitely not "several"... possibly "a few"

@goodguy5 whazzat!?

@goodguy5 hahaha

I check in on it every now and then and am like oh its on hold again.

oh yea, @nitsua60. look at the edit history. it was a flurry

@goodguy5 can't say I didn't warn you :)

don't make me regret my most recent open-vote =)

nooooooo

lol

I really don't know what to tell this david guy in my comments :-\

That's actually why I went ahead and left that lengthy-ish comment with the reopen-vote: I knew that at least ten other people had voted close, open, close, open on the question.

@goodguy5 if there are no requirements for setup time then just tell him there are no restrictions

@goodguy5 Frankly, you've just got to pick a number and go with it. Including "no limits on setup/lead-time."

or put in a restriction that all the other answers already meet

I think "1 non-combat round of setup" is met by the other answers

@goodguy5 if you are sure of that then just do that and edit it into your question I would say. nobody should complain if it doesn't change their answer's validity

after your warning, I'm nervous!

@nitsua60 does that seem reasonable?

:43018476 might not be a terrible idea

oh okay

alright. doing it

even if it doesn't affect their current answers, it may affect a future edit if they are not aware.

@Rubiksmoose I would say so. I'd also say that if this becomes a recurring theme (another person comes along, another clarification made, lots of notifications have to go out...) goodguy might consider flagging the question themself and asking for closure. In the "I got some interesting answers but this question's actually a headache" vein.

but do note this is just me saying this. This isn't even really my type of question at all. If you are not sure wait for someone more authoritative than I.

@gre

damn it

lol

@GreySage I'm not tagging your post because you already use it

@goodguy5 if other questions like this come up always feel free to come in this room and say "hey, I've got this optimization problem I'm considering posting, are there any more details I need to provide?"

will do

or maybe I'll just never post anything again and avoid the problem

@nitsua60 I actually did work with him quite a bit when it was first posted to get it into better shape

@goodguy5 honestly, theoretical optimisation problems are probably the most finicky, detail-specific questions you can ask. If it is anything other than that you'll have a much easier time.

@goodguy5 Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo‌​ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

fuqye what I do

oh I see lol

=D

@nitsua60 [breath] -ooooooooooo

@Ben That was a Kenny G "Noooooooooo," not a Luke Skywalker one. Kenny can circularly-breathe, so no interruptions =)

That's skill

@nitsua60 hahaha

What's the Sharpshooter martial archetype noneuklid's talking about?

@nitsua60 are they referring to the fighting style?

No, nor the feat. (They also have the feat, and cop to it being confusing.)

huh.

(And "archery"s the fighting style.)

@nitsua60 ah yeah, had a brainfart there :P

(And it's suuuuuch a good one.)

I will say that martial adept's precision dice really should figure into any mix: the possibility of converting a non-hit to a hit with no action-cost is huge for expected damage.

(If attacks are the source of damage.)

Question: Minotaurs as a Playable Race in 5e... is that a thing?

@Ben There was a UA that had them....

The third: "Waterborne Adventures" had Krynnish minotaurs.

And planeshift:amonkhet, apparently

@Ben if it helps, they definitely were in 4e

There were 3 players handbooks and they were in the second I think

And Krynnish minotaurs are totally the cool ones, btw =)

(Also, kender > halflings for all purposes.)

@nitsua60 scoundrel

@nitsua60 you are a monster

> "...cute. Extremely cute. Sweetly, lovably, frustratingly cute.... And it's hard, after seeing Janet play Tas, to imagine them any other way." Two of the other key characteristics of kender-their curiosity and kleptomania-were introduced by Hickman. Hickman was uncomfortable with the notion of a "race of thieves" in his games, but still wanted the skills typically associated with thieves, so he added their "innocent tendency to 'borrow' things for indeterminate periods of time."

(source)

Kender are fun... I haven't played one for ages

How would you stat them in 5e? Obviously as a halfling variant/subrace, but probably not one of the existing ones?

@Adeptus Have you read the Annotated Chronicles?

Not annotated, no

@Adeptus Lightfoot or ghostwise, I suppose. Perhaps some hybrid; haven't looked closely at ghostwise.

Nope, not ghostwise. They've got nothing to do with them.

Probably as lightfoot halflings with gestalt levels of Rogue (Thief) =)

And insane charisma.

but disadvantage on persuasion: nobody trusts a kender, after all.

staff-sling as a racial weapon proficiency

I hate the utter contradiction of kenders

this makes me want to play a halfling locksmith :P

One thing is, even if the "thing they all do wasn't kleptomania,

They still all do a thing

As a race

Which to me sounds profoundly insulting

@trogdor yeah, straight hins are a more malleable thing to work with

Straight hins?

@trogdor as in plain old halflings, not kender or any sort of wildly variant version

@nitsua60 @trogdor I just saw a pic of a Minotaur wielding two axes and thought "that would be an epic fighter/barb"

@Shalvenay ah ok I have never heard them called hins

@Ben hehe

@nitsua60 Is there some way to anti-star a comment in chat?

@JoelHarmon If you star it enough it overflows.

=)

I don't want kender in my games for essentially the same reason I don't want chaotic evil in my games.

You don't want players who would choose either?

I think it takes a particular kind of player to do either well, and many people will just turn it into a disruption similar to my guy syndrome.

I personally don't see why he had to create a race of kleptomaniacs to justify them having thief skills

I think it's the difference between a CE character having no scruples about killing someone for spurious reasons, and a character feeling compelled to kill people for spurious reasons.

@Shalvenay But that's not what happened. A player created a likable kleptomaniac, and declared that their homeland was just like that. Thus was the race born.

And notice: it never played detrimental to the plot. It either played for a laugh or ended up saving the world.

Or having a shattered moral compass, but the good sense not to do anything too sociopathic where they're certain to get caught by the town guard. This is exacerbated by DMs who fiat their players out of tough spots like that.

That's a GM taking their player's choice and giving it legs.

@nitsua60 the dragonlance books I read didn't read that way, sadly

@trogdor (well, there's a lot of crappy writing obscuring it...)

@nitsua60 fair criticism

@nitsua60 Nooo don't ruin my adolescence! They were great books! (I haven't read them for... omg, decades?... and am almost afraid to now)

Funny though... when you consider Barbs totems... a Minotaur of the eagle totem sounds a bit odd haha

I was wondering how long it would take someone to break out purple worm poison

@Ben Still working on it!

...it's getting less and less of a light modification to remove unnecessary complication, and more and more a full stripping down to the base resolution mechanic and rebuilding from the ground up to be less... let's say confusing.

@Adeptus I kept reading them past adolescence until I grew very weary of them

so not for too long after, but long enough to have learned a little bit about better writing XD

@BESW Yeah, I saw your question about the misprint

Stripped out all the fiddly feat- and spell-selection clone mechanics in favor of stuff like "What unique talent do you bring to the team? When your specialty is relevant to an action, draw two extra cards."

"Octopus (mental): Eda grants you piercing insight. Your mental actions never Fumble."

If I had more time, and thought the results would be meaningful, I'd make a spreadsheet of the pre-made characters' stats and figure out expected average range and mean.

But I suspect I'll get about the same "balance" in relation to the card mechanic by eyeballing it.

I had lots of fun playing Stellaris: Apocalypse yesterday. The big changes made in Cherryh patch were a bit overwhelming but I think overall they changed the game for the better.

I'm playing this Templar/Brotherhood of Nod/Aztec Empire mashup who fancies themselves as the chosen protectors of the human race as a whole so they regard alien species with suspicion, with a healthy dose of pragmatism.

Their main ally is another human regime, Space Poland.

@nits @trog media.wizards.com/2015/downloads/dnd/UA_Waterborne_v3.pdf

hmm?

Minotaur in 5e

Definitely going with that in my next game :D (if the DM allows ofcourse lol)

aaaaaahhhh

ok

I remember now

@Ben [squint] Bovine-like species called Waterborne and they're not Carabao? For shame.

lol

Water buffalo.

@BESW ohhh

Caribou

Carabao is one of the most common SEA/Pasifika names for the swamp-type water buffalo.

No, nevermind lol

Caribou is totally different.

Google was more interested in soccer and energy drinks apparently

[amused]

If I'm looking up something like that, I usually add "wiki" to the search.

[adds some new mechanics to match the flavor of the were-PCs]

@BESW if you enjoy Lindsay Ellis but would prefer shorter essays that focus on specific techniques or elements of filmmaking, check out Nerdwriter1

I've run across him a few times.

BTW, do you know what y'all going to do on the upcoming Geek Night?

Perhaps I could join you if you're not planning anything in-group-focused

we have us two and then two people discording in already, so I don't think you joining us will be an issue

:)

At the moment it looks like either I'm going to test my Ki Khanga hack, or Troggy's going to run Golden Sky Stories.

Greener and June will be joining us on Discord; I think it would be polite to make sure @JuneShores' okay with a new person joining us.

oooh

yeah,... ok that is a good idea

sorry I forgot

we have only had her joining us,... 3 times so far?

and just with @Miniman (@doppelgreener knew her before we did so he doesn't count :P)

I haven't had a chance to meet June yet, but hopefully she won't mind

BTW have you tried playing Fiasco already?

I have not.

I think Greener bought it in December, if I remember correctly, but never got a round toit.

Hrmm. With three different people voicing in from different locations, a card-based system might not be ideal.

Is... Fiasco card-based?

I honestly know nothing about it

@eimyr no Ki Kanga is

oh

err, I shouldn't say no I have not looked at fiasco that hard

but Ki Kanga is what I am 90% BESW is talking bout

Aye.

Hrm. A five-person group with three voices.

That calls for simple mechanics I'm familiar with!

...we could continue our Lady Blackbird session from last week. We were about to rescue the Captain, our two new players could be the Captain and someone else with him.

fairly enough

we could also try Lovecraftesque, I remember it ran smoothly with a group of five

Mmmm. Sunset tomorrow marks the beginning of the intercalary days which Baha'is dedicate to fellowship, charity, and unity. We usually try to play something fun and lighthearted if a Geek Night falls on those days.

That's fair enough.

We could do Long Live the King of Monsters!

We could!

Were-octopuses and Golden Sky Stories both sound like they fit that bill.

Or Honey Heist.

Oh boy!

An untried Ki Khanga hack using a physical deck of cards was gonna be hard enough with two intangible PCs not using video.

lemme take a looksie on my must-play list

Discord doesn't have video?

Great Ork Gods is cool too.

June hasn't shown an interest in video, so we aren't using it.

And my Internet speed is low enough that three video streams might be asking a bit much.

I'm trying to find a way to re-skin Great Ork Gods to keep the fun slapstick violence but take out the... Orks.

why?

I've got a vague notion about AI practicing algorithms using disposable avatars, but I haven't been able to pin down the specifics yet.

Hello :3

hi

Good morning!

@BESW ORCS IS DA BEST! ORCS IS DA STRONGEST!

Anyone use the Sidekick bot?

@Momonga-sama HERESY! (sorry couldn't resist)

Is there a way to automatically reroll 1s and 2s?

@doppelgreener yeah the Ki Kanga probably doesn't work with all these people this time, it sounds like a ton of work just to put together

For example, I do "/r 2d6" to calculate damage, but I get to reroll 1s and 2s

especially since we would be using a very hacked version

@eimyr Because I'm increasingly uncomfortable with orcs as a concept.

@trogdor Almighty God Emperor is pleased with Your loyalty, Inquisitor.

@Momonga-sama to be honest, we just now exhausted my knowledge of the setting XD

well mostly

we still didn't say chaos, tyranids, or eldar yet

ok now we did XD

Jemisin touches the surface of the unbearable baggage of orcing.

@trogdor As Long as you are faithful to the only righteous one, you shall live.

lol

May His Power bless this chat.

@BESW fair enough, I won't dispute that even if I don't share the sentiment.

Are you guys familiar with Gothic series? I wanted to gm a game in this setting, but not sure which system would do nicely.

The setting from first game ofc.

@trogdor Yeah. A group larger than I'm used to these days, with people who've never played with each other before, most of us lacking face and body language cues to facilitate group cohesion... I don't want to add an unfamiliar system to that if I'm the one running it.

well especially an unfamilliar system you had to hack to make coherent

@Momonga-sama When you mentioned your love of Gothic I immediately thought you sound Polish. Huh, guess what, it checks out. Can't help though, sorry.

@eimyr Gothic is love, Gothic is life. Just like vodka and pierogis.

@BESW Who hasn't played with each other? Only me and June, unless you mean as a defined group in which one new addition is enough.

I think that is what he means yeah

I'm happy to broadcast video to everyone who would like to receive it though.

Both, yes.

5e

Charger allows me to use my action to move, and attack/shove as a bonus action.

as a fighter, I get Extra Attack, but not in this case, right? Cos I used my first action to Dash

Also another question. Anybody know some fantasy series that portrays life of centaurs?

@Momonga-sama Greek mythology.

@eimyr Something more exact?

@Momonga-sama Hercules

@Ben Right. One more reason why it's terrible. It might actually qualify as the worst feat.

Well...

Maybe. But so far I've pulled off some hefty hits with it

+5 damage (and situational at that) sounds a bit underwhelming compared to having two attacks.

(or more)

Early on in the campaign it can save a turn when killing low-hp enemies, though.

@kviiri Yeah. But it allows me to attack after a dash

@Ben Is that a situation that happens often in your game? Most of our combats are relatively static so dashing is seldom needed.

Opening attacks usually

Close the distance

Opening attacks happen once per encounter though.

Yeah

I'd like if 5e combat had more powers relating to positioning

Yeah, I still haven't found anything even half as good as 4e for that.

Got my party to help me solve some riddles in Curse of Strahd

I was worried I'd have to do it alone

Not because they're hard, but because I hate always being the guy interested in doing the between-session thinking. I fear it might discourage the others if I do it too much

I fried lemon-ginger marlin and bell pepper for dinner, and then we made smoothies in our new smoothie maker--apples, Greek yogurt, bananas, frozen strawberries, some honey, berry juice, almond milk.

I'm looking forward to breaking my fast with smoothies next month.

Ooh, sounds yummy!

I made some tofu and onion curry for myself and my SO yesterday. For some reason the spicing worked really, really well for the onion but left the tofu almost tasteless. The onions were probably the best I've made in ages.

Did you cut and drain the tofu beforehand?

I did, but I probably was a bit hasty with the drying part

That was our post-mortem too

Tofu is very wet. If you want it to pick up flavors really well, you gotta squeeze it.

Yup, that's a lesson learned.

Usually I'll slice it into slabs, stack the slabs with a cloth between each layer, and then put something heavy on top and wait half an hour.

If I have the time, I drizzle or marinate it after that, while I prep the rest of dinner.

...I made some solid curry mushrooms last night, as part of a stir fry.

A friend of mine tried this trick where the tofu is drained with brine

It turned out wrong somehow :P

@BESW oooooh that sounds reaaaaal good

@kviiri I,... I don't see how it could go any other way

Reminds me of the time I used too much soy sauce in the stir fry and the whole thing became unbearably salty.

that also sounds really bad

@BESW I do this all the time. One'd think I'd learn...

@trogdor Come over early tomorrow and I'll make you a smoothie.

ooooh

just update me tomorrow on how early then XD

@BESW Surely that depends on the tofu

@BESW That is what we do as well :)

morning nerds

@goodguy5 howdy

@goodguy5 [I don't recognize this as applying to me, despite the test on non-Euclidean geometries sitting in front of me]

definite nerd material

non-Euclidean geometry isn't nerdy

allo allo

Euclidean geometry is the nerdy one

Non-Euclidean is cool and hip

hipster nerds, that's even worse

anyone know the 5e rules for falling objects?

@goodguy5 what do you mean?

I was thinking about if I cast dimension door on myself with the stipulation of "210 feet straight up", then fall onto someone. lemme find the anime image

@goodguy5 Well, you'd be receiving the falling damage. THe question is how much damage do you also deliver on impact?

@NautArch Equal and opposite reaction

@goodguy5 is this what you're looking for?

@SPavel that's definitely a way you could treat that. You receive 20d6 damage, you give 20d6 damage.

@NautArch close enough. I wish I could find this clip. It's from dragonball. this indian ish guy jumps high in the air and comes down like a comet

@goodguy5 There was a build like that in 3.5

a morbidly obese orc ninja who would jump high and fall on people

@goodguy5 Unfortunately, that's not really a D&D move. Unless you have a way to mitigate the distance drop (like featherfall), then you are 100% going to receive falling damage.

I expect to receive fall damage, but also to deal it.

dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Cross_Arm_Dive

It's more of DM call/homebrew, but I'd suggest using @SPavel's equal and opposite reaction idea. It's the cleanest and you can use it for a variety of objects. Weight is less important than distance.

I would probably roll each damage separately, though. But I like rolling dice :)

cool

@NautArch I can't take credit for Newton's third law :)

you could, but I'd respect you less

@SPavel But you can take credit for applying it here! :) You could also use this answer if you want to make it weight-based and not just distance.

but at this point, you are squarely in a outside of the rules decision here.

isn't that the same article lol

but also noted

it's an answer within that, just no the chosen one.

But yeah, that article is your source here for the question you're asking.

oh I see. yea

and looks like that answer also got a nice bounty.

@Rubiksmoose Your post should say "reading" instead of "read", but I can't edit it because it's not 6 characters

alternatively "...Handbook will clear" could be "...Handbook; that should clear"

nm, I put in the later (latter?)

@goodguy5 You were absolutely correct I had the edit pending actually while I looked for links. Should have just fixed it in the meantime. Thanks for spotting it and bringing it to my attention though. I do appreciate it (I hate having typos or errors in my answers, drives me nuts).

@Rubiksmoose given the low level of the question and the borderline-rude comments they got from another user, can I suggest that a paragraph to the extent of "This is understandable, there are a lot of rolls that boil down to 'roll d20, add mods, compare to number' but that are partitioned into three species for partially-historical, partially-game-design reasons. They're the attack roll, the ability check, and the saving throw."

Basically, I feel like this is an understandable thing to be unclear on and counteracting the hostility elsewhere might be a good deed.

@nitsua60 I've actually confused this very thing on the site before (in a slip of the mind way but whatever)

I'm happy to do it. I was going to write a more full answer, but I was balancing that against the desire to help teach OP how to find the answers themselves a bit.

Yeah, when I'm writing "newbie answers" I tend to start with "this is understandable, here's the place it's explained which is easy to miss, here are some of the places it matters, here's how it got this way." Because I firmly believe that D&D is utter crap at explaining itself. (I'm not talking to you, Mentzer--red box 4eva!)

@nitsua60 definitely, and the difference isn't even explained super clearly in the book to be honest.

@nitsua60 do you think my comment was out of line? Was it useful?

@Rubiksmoose The response to Valhalla?

@Rubiksmoose Or maybe the comment on the question. If that's the one you're curious about, I'd suggest one thing: I don't find "this might be why people are doing X" comments very useful. I'm a much bigger fan of "I did X and here's why."

@nitsua60 Sorry yeah the one with regards to OP. I can understand that. Though in this case the reason I did it was because nobody else was and it it seems incredibly harsh and off putting for someone who might not understand the site.

But you don't know that's why anyone else was downvoting. I mean, it's 95% likely you're right, but if you just testify to your own actions then you're 100% right. And upvotes on that are pretty unambiguous, too.

But yes, I feel like it's a bit of a harsh reception.

@nitsua60 that is fair. Thanks.

@nitsua60 I was honestly confused as to whether I should have answered it at all per: rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4979/…

I was thinking about asking about it in a meta question of my own actually.