TRPG General Chat

6:01 PM

@Delioth While the slot-conflict is a good point for some tables, that's only a +50% price tag. At my table, I wave the stacking-effects clause, though, so the excuse is entirely gone.

Delioth

@godskook Either way, something like 10 fire resist on a suit of armor (at least in pathfinder) is a flat 18,000 gold. That's the same price as 24 wands of cure light wounds, and would have to block 6600 points of elemental damage to have the same gold-health efficiency as the wands. No character really wants to invest that heavily for something that's never going to be more efficient than a 1st level wand (also because in-combat healing for not-paladins is a losing battle)

godskook

@Delioth Armor's the off-slot option. On-slot is rings at 12kgp.

There's also crystals which are cheaper

And wands, which can be quite the frugal choice, if players were expecting the buff to be only hyper-situationally useful.

Delioth

Yeah, wands would still be more efficient... but then you're paying for 50 charges of something that might only be useful once. Yeah, it could be useful 50 times, but it's in no way guaranteed unless you straight-up go to an area with a ton of typed enemies (elemental plane, volcano, tundra, etc) for a reasonable-length adventure

Though the second-level wand is 4500 gold, unless you can find a Ranger with Craft Wands

godskook

And for a GROUP of 4, that's more like 1125g total, or 90g per casting per character.

NautArch

@godskook As an outside who hasn't played 3.5...this sounds awfully complicated.

BanjoFox

6:11 PM

I'm surprised you have to do 50-charges at a go.

Delioth

Still, who wants to give 1125 gold for something they might use once or twice?

godskook

Also, my game mandates HEAVY multiclassing, so there's almost never a time without 1-2 party-members with the ability to just prepare the spell.

BanjoFox

if I go to get my gas tank filled I can say "put 5 gold pieces worth" in the tank

nitsua60

@Ryan I pick a RL nationality/culture from Emily's list and (a) grab some of her random assortment (b) read a little about them IRL. Or in a pinch, I'll roll 2d20 for consonants and 2d6 for vowels and make something of the cluster that ensues.

Delioth

@BanjoFox Yeah, wands aren't able to be charged up. They start with 50 charges and have no magic... there's no way to add charges to a wand (or if there is it's in a single archetype somewhere)

godskook

6:13 PM

@Delioth Given that the choice is "face necklace of fireballs with or without Fire Resistance 10", for characters that get mission rewards of 10kgp or more? 1125gp seems a drop in the bucket to me.

BanjoFox

@Delioth -- Oh... I mis-interpreted your statement "but then you're paying for 50 charges of something"

Also... wands are one-time-use only? o.O that seems silly... you have to charge them once to begin with... why not make them re-chargable!?

godskook

@NautArch Complication is, to some degree, mandatory for depth. Its one reason I won't ever transition to 5e, although I might transition to Pathfinder at some point. Maybe. I'm still not convinced there's value in switching over back-porting for me.

@BanjoFox Same reason Toilet Paper isn't rechargeable?

Delioth

@BanjoFox Because wands are the "cheap multi-use item that breaks". For recharging you want a Staff

BanjoFox

@Delioth weird.

In that case i would buy a re-chargable staff and whittle it down to a wand-size staff :D

TADA!

Delioth

@BanjoFox It's mostly technical typing. If you want to flavor your chargeable staff as a wand, that's fine (but you still can't put it in a wrist sheathe). Actually, I'm not sure if there is a size requirement or if it's just naming stuff (it would be awkward to have chargeable wands and nonrefillable wands and they're totally different things with different pricing scales)

BanjoFox

6:19 PM

who knows :)

Although I reckon you could simply say "Add 20% cost to re-chargable wands" and call it a day. no confusion.

godskook

@BanjoFox That's ridiculously cheap by 3.5 standards.

Delioth

Plus staves have a minimum caster level, can hold multiple spells, use the wielder's stats and feats, and can be charged with any spell they contain

Wibbs

@nitsua60 are you around?

BanjoFox

@godskook make it 900% then :P

conceptually it should be straightforward to create rules for re-chargable wands

Delioth

Though a staff with one spell at the same caster level as a wand is only ~14% more expensive (though it only has 10 charges, but they can be charged)

BanjoFox

6:24 PM

alternatively... call them staff's but with a smaller size

"pocket staff" if you will

godskook

@Delioth Staves, afaik, can't be "recharged", and Runestaves don't have "charges". What are you talking about, exactly?

Delioth

@BanjoFox Oh yeah, just use staves and call them small. By all the rules they're staves, but staves are expensive enough and great enough that any given caster only needs one at a time and can thusly be named.

godskook

@Delioth I was assuming Runestaves, until you started talking about "recharging" which makes no sense to talk about with Runestaves.

Delioth

@godskook Oh, I'm in Pathfinder. Can casters in 3.5 not cast spells into the staff to recharge it?

godskook

@Delioth Afaik, no.

Delioth

6:26 PM

I didn't reach far enough into 3.5 to know the specifics of staves, so that chunk of discussion may be irrelevant

godskook

@Delioth Runestaves contain specific spells, and you can spend spell slots to cast the spells from the stave instead of a normal spell you have prepared.

But they're otherwise unusable.

From MiC

Regular Staves, in 3.5, from DMG/Core are charge-based and just consumable.

KorvinStarmast

arrgh, I thought a question was a dupe "why so few choices on the weapons table compared to 4e" but I can't find any previous questions. (Maybe I've seen this on GITP and memory crossed wires.

Delioth

@godskook Ah, in Pathfinder we don't have runestaves, but staves have specific spells. 10 charges, but a spellcaster can cast any spell that the staff contains to put a charge back in the staff. Only once/day though, so it's useful to recharge between adventures.

KorvinStarmast

Do any of your recall a pod cast or tweet on the weapons table and why the number of choices is down? I did a bit of searching and answered the question, but I swear I've see a more detailed Crawford or Mearls comment on line

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast report to Alpha Computer for reconditioning, citizen.

KorvinStarmast

6:29 PM

I just can't find it. Arrrge. Getting old stinks.

nitsua60

@Wibbs Am for a bit--what's up?

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast it does sound familiar...

Wibbs

@nitsua60 nevermind, SSD is on the case - sorry for the unnecessary ping

nitsua60

no worries =)

godskook

@Delioth Sure, a neat combination of the two STave archetypes in 3.5

KorvinStarmast

6:30 PM

This is the question, but I know I've seen some WoTC public comment on it.

Forget where.

godskook

@NautArch Dislike of GITP is treasonous. Report for summary execution. Have a nice day!

BanjoFox

@NautArch -- Alpha Computer? I think you mean. Friend Computer of Alpha Complex

NautArch

@godskook Grumble grumble.

@BanjoFox reporting to Alpha Complex. Need new clone anyway.

@KorvinStarmast part of me is thinking it was an interview

BanjoFox

@NautArch Clone wastefulness is treason ;)

Delioth

@godskook Yeah, they're solid. They do have a minimum CL of 8 though which makes them a bit pricey (If I know how to do a little math, you can get a staff for 640 gold... but it has one first-level spell in it and takes all 10 charges to cast). For one first-level spell that uses 1 charge it's 6400 gold, but I'm partial to making the spell take 2 charges which cuts the price in half, which is reasonable by level 4-5ish

godskook

6:36 PM

So 3200g for 5 charges of OMGWTFBBQ, that can be recharged once you survive? Fair deal.

Delioth

@godskook Well, that's for a first-level spell, which would need a Ranger to make, which would require a 15th level ranger to get the feat to make it. If it's a second level spell (like Protection from Energy is), then you've got to double it

Though if you craft it yourself you can cut the price in half again, but at that point you're an 11th level wizard (or equivalent) and can blow the second level slots as you wish (third level for communal)

godskook

@Delioth sure, but if I like how the item is priced, and I like how a purchased version of it works, I can standardize the BS crafting back to a more reasonable 3.5 parity.

Delioth

@godskook Oh, definitely. If you make it take 10 charges for the casting and cast Resist Energy (Communal), you can give 80 minutes of Resist Energy 10 to any number of people (80 minutes is total, split it among the people in 10-minute increments) once (with 10 days worth of recharging).

godskook

@Delioth "communal" is also not a 3.5 setting :P

Delioth

If I know how math works that would cost 960 gold

Ah... the analogue would be "mass"

Slight difference, mass gives the whole duration to everyone, communal splits the duration

KorvinStarmast

6:45 PM

@SevenSidedDie So, “braising steak” in non-Americanspeak, I guess? Nope. I are American, and I was eating braised beef when I was in grade school. One of the things Mom made. We use ground chuck to make burgers 'round here, but I add my own spices and always grill it over mesquite wood.

godskook

@Delioth Which is a +1-2 spell level increase.

Delioth

@godskook Yeah, it's similar spell level increase in pathfinder. Resist Energy is level 2, Communal is 3

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch The interview I found isn't what I was looking for, and it gave a more general than specific kind of answer. Maybe a pod cast .... scratches head

Delioth

Also, double that last figure. That's creation price, buying price would be 1920

godskook

@Delioth Note that "Mass" isn't a keyword or feat or anything, its just a naming convention in 3.5, in case you need to talk about that again sometime.

Delioth

6:49 PM

@godskook Mhm, I've noticed ("communal" is the same way, I think pathfinder has a few spells that are "mass" as well.. yeah, the healing spells don't make sense as "communal" spells)

NautArch

7:00 PM

@KorvinStarmast Lawry's? I've been adding pecan wood to when i bbq burgers and veggies.

doppelgreener

@godskook @SevenSidedDie hahahahaha, nice one.

BanjoFox

@NautArch -- you guys are making me want to grill :p

NautArch

7:23 PM

@BanjoFox This is where @KorvinStarmast in texas is in a better spot. Grilling year round isn't as much of an option for me. Although, I do smoke meats year round.

BanjoFox

@NautArch -- I have/would grill in 2 foot of snow if I have to :P

godskook

@NautArch Where do you live where Grilling-year-round isn't an option?

Minnesota?

Maybe?

Delioth

@BanjoFox Psh, just open the windows of an enclosed porch and grill there. That's what we do in Iowa

BanjoFox

@Delioth -- you presume that I have such facilities available ;)

godskook

@Delioth Does Iowa even know what snow really is? Or do you get Chicago-like "snow"?

Delioth

7:26 PM

@godskook Well, we get feet at a time. Depends on your definition of "what snow really is".

Apparently our average annual stuff is between 30-40 inches

godskook

@Delioth Annual average where I'm at is 218 inches.

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch Where I live in Texas mesquite grows like a weed. I have a friend who is a part owner of a hunting lease, where annually they clear out a lot of mesquite. He can pile it into the back of a flatbed and sell it in Houston when he goes up there on business.

Delioth

@godskook See, we made sure we got rid of the glaciers before settling. Grows better corn that way

KorvinStarmast

And yeah, year round grilling is a good feature. The Missus loves food cooked on the grill, be it meat or veg, so I get to set fire to charcoal and mesquite with some frequency.

godskook

@Delioth I assure you, there's no glaciers here. We'd actually be better off if there were. Less lake effect snow that way.

Delioth

7:31 PM

Which reminds me that good corn is in season and I need to eat that.

KorvinStarmast

@nitsua60 thanks for the Emily's list link. Handy for NPC's when I get my DM shoes back on.

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast Loooove her stuff. There're actually two separate sites there--one's all names, the other's got things like logic puzzles, riddles, traps that you can just drag-and-drop into any-ol-thing.

KorvinStarmast

Hmm, all I opened was the name generator, will have time to play with the rest this weekend.

nitsua60

It'd be worth writing up some sort of script/crawler that autogenerated 5-room dungeons out of her source material.

<cough> developers in room with free time this weekend <cough>

KorvinStarmast

I'll see if my son will do that as a project. He's got to do a bunch of small projects for his CS degree, why not that one?

NautArch

7:43 PM

@godskook western mass

BanjoFox

@nitsua60 -- hahah.. you presume that I have free-time this weekend :p

Delioth

@nitsua60 Invalid syntax: expected closing tag near ""

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast niiice. We've got a hickory tree in our backyard that I"ve been eyeing to cut down and chip up :)

Delioth

But in all seriousness, I probably have time but might not have enough knowledge of a python crawler

nitsua60

@Delioth Nah, it's a ~~unary tag~~ empty element. I'm not coughing the whole time I'm saying that =)

KorvinStarmast

7:46 PM

@NautArch I usually chop mesquite into chunks, and soak in water for 30 minutes before grilling. They go on the back of the coal bed and add smoke to everything.

Our KofC council does it different. We head out to the ranch, harvest a bunch of mesquite, and then for bar b q's and fund raisers cook the chicken or whatever over dried mesquite.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast When I smoke, I'll soak, but otherwise for a quick grill I'll just toss some in.

I generally use cherry for pork/chicken and pecan for beef

KorvinStarmast

My last brisket was OK, but Missus complained that it was overly smokey. (Huh?) So I've dialed back the amount, not the process

BanjoFox

hm... @NautArch how far north of Jersey are you again? XD hahah

KorvinStarmast

I can't get cherry wood.

You out by Sprinfield, or further west?

NautArch

@BanjoFox about 3.5 hours.

@KorvinStarmast further west. Basically on the NY border.

KorvinStarmast

7:48 PM

Ah, took my son to an airshow in Sprinfield late 90's while living in CT, and we saw a B-1 doing a low pass that was awesome.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast I'm not sure why, but I haven't oversmoked anything yet. And i'm not shy with the smokewood. Sadly, I get my smokewood from amazon mostly.

@KorvinStarmast oooh. I'd like to try and take my kids to one. Neither of them love loud noises, though.

KorvinStarmast

Have them wear the yellow foam earplugs during flight displays. Helps a lot.

When I see the Blue Angels, I wear them, and I'm used to jet noise.

NautArch

I remember going to airshows at moffett field as a kid and watching the blue angels

nwp

I just saw that the 5e PHB has an entry in the index for THAC0: See Attack roll

KorvinStarmast

Blues are alive and well. Still doin' that think in the Hornets. I preferred the A-4's.

@Nwp IIRC, that's an eater egg. (Or so Mearls said once, I think?)

easter Egg

NautArch

7:51 PM

@KorvinStarmast I'd share my rub recipe with you for my brisket. But I won't :P

KorvinStarmast

@NautArch No worries, our grand knight has one we use, and I like it. Mostly sea salt and coarse pepper. I add paprika and garlic to that.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast salt/pepper/garlic/paprika is the general base :)

lots and lots o pepper. Grinding that is a PITA.

KorvinStarmast

We lived in Italy long enough to learn that "one can never have enough garlic." Oddly enough, we see very few vampires in our neighborhood. I use magic bullet to get loads of pepper ground up.

It's also good for making single serving daquaris or margeritas for sipping while the brisket slow cooks.

NautArch

@KorvinStarmast I bought an electric mill, but it was cheap. And works like it was cheap. Takes longer and have to hold the button down. My wrist is borked from an injury and after awhile it aches.

KorvinStarmast

At least you didn't go blind .. hee hee

BanjoFox

7:55 PM

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NautArch

@BanjoFox ?

BanjoFox

-.....-

The easy way to go blind is by not using Gojo to scrub your hands after cutting up Carolina Reapers

godskook

@BanjoFox "easy" requires me to be within 500' of a Carolina Reaper.

Since that'll never happen, that's going to be QUITE hard.

@BanjoFox Also:

i.imgur.com/9f8x6MF.mp4

Delioth

@godskook Your link is .mp4 but the file is .gifv... what?

godskook

@Delioth Silly Imgur, links are for gifvs

i.imgur.com/9f8x6MF.gifv

Does that work?

Bah

BanjoFox

8:09 PM

@godskook -- I grew a bush from seeds. :P I ended up with so many of the damned things I made purees

godskook

@BanjoFox For WHAT, your local military hardware store?

BanjoFox

@godskook - Eating mostly. I gave a jar of peppers to a co-worker at the time and he made an excellent pot of chili. Another one just spooned the puree onto his sandwhich like it was salad dressing....

Admitedly... I did also want to weaponize the plant for use against local rabbits :P

sidenote: mind-blowing... o.O Does My Body Die If My Brain Teleports From Mars -- Philosophy.SE?

bbl going home.

godskook

@BanjoFox I'm so sorry for your loss.

Delioth

@godskook I think it's just that the chat doesn't recognize .gifv; normal gifs or png's or stuff should work just fine

BESW

8:25 PM

@godskook Pepper paste is definitely a thing around my neck of the woods.

NautArch

@BESW weird, i can't select text on that page

BESW

...huh.

Delioth

It's because of this javascript they call: document.ondragstart = function() {
return false;
};

BESW

I had some really good dinanche with my salmon at a local restaurant on Tuesday.

Delioth

Squashes anything you try to do click-and-drag

BESW

8:33 PM

Denies multiclick select, too.

Delioth

Or maybe the one above that that squashes any "mousedown" events unless they're on a selector, input, textarea, or password

NautArch

@BESW how spicy is it? Problem is I love the heat, but my digestive evacuation system does not.

getting old sucks.

BESW

@NautArch Donne' sali is pretty hot, but not so hot that ANY amount is going to set off alarm bells on your tongue. Using small amounts, or dilute amounts, is very possible without losing the flavor.

If you're sensitive to peppers, though, you probably do want to dial back the amount that goes into Chamorro recipes. Chamorros are one of those cultures that have a Tabasco bottle on every table in every restaurant.

godskook

@BESW I've barely worked up to Taco Bell Fire Sauce.

BESW

8:50 PM

Bah, Taco Bell sauce packets are a different tolerance scale altogether.

I'm not convinced they're actually spicy, I think they're just toxic.

godskook

I can't handle Jalapenos or Banana Peppers at all.

BESW

I'm not a fan of either, myself.

Adam

Banana Peppers are my jam

BESW

Actually, I lie. I like things that have been cooked with jalapeños, I just don't like encountering the actual jalapeños themselves.

There's a bakery down the road which makes a nice spicy chicken siopao with jalapeños, but I usually pick the peppers out while I eat it.

Which admittedly kinda defeats the one-handed-meal-on-the-go quality of siopao.

Yuuki

Tangentially related to baos, I'm incredibly annoyed at the lack of proper xiaolongbaos in my area.

The only kind that I can find with the soup in the bun are the mass-produced frozen varieties that I get at the supermarket.

BESW

8:58 PM

Ew.

Yuuki

They actually taste surprisingly good.

BESW

Well, I mean ew to the frozen ones.

Even fresh baos are easy to make kinda... not great.

Yuuki

Which is a bit frustrating that frozen packaged varieties are arguably more authentic than the ones I find in "authentic" Chinese restaurants.

@BESW Like I said, they actually taste surprisingly good.

BESW

Weird.

Nearly every gas station on island has a siobao steam case, and people argue about which are better tasting vs which are less likely to give you food poisoning.

Yuuki

We usually get this brand when we get them.

jwacalex

9:11 PM

hi

Yuuki

hello

nitsua60

@KorvinStarmast We've probably been over this before, but where in CT?

BESW

"Do you dogs all have death wishes?" barked Conan, barging into the office with blade in hand. "The coffee machine is once again beanless!"

Tweeted by ConanSalaryman on August 3, 2017 at 2:00 PM

godskook

9:34 PM

Do "touch attacks" exist in 5e?

Or is everything against full AC?

That "attacks" AC?

Yuuki

Touch AC doesn't exist in 5e.

Adam

There are spells with a range of touch, but all attack rolls attack full AC

nitsua60

@godskook Correct: one AC.

Yuuki

IIRC, someone mentioned the dev thought process awhile ago to be something along the lines of, "If the spell is mitigated by armor, attack roll against AC. If the spell isn't mitigated by armor, target rolls a save".

And so that's how they removed touch AC.

godskook

Actually, my viewpoint's a different side of it. I'm also moving towards the idea of removing touch-AC entirely from my personal rule-set. I'm not convinced its a useful addition to the game when casters can pick up Full BAB.

nwp

9:41 PM

Is item rarity relevant in 5e for players? Besides cost and probability to find. I'm making item cards and I'm considering dropping the rarity from the description because it doesn't seem to mean anything.

Yuuki

@nwp It's more of a DM thing, I think.

godskook

Are you keeping cost and probability on the card?

nwp

@godskook No.

BESW

@Yuuki Hellooooo 4e.

nwp

To be honest I have no clue about costs and probabilities. I'm basically letting PCs find what I want them to have.

godskook

9:44 PM

@nwp my...my 3.5-sensibilities are TWITCHING

nitsua60

@nwp Not huge. It's a nice bit of setting-info if the players are going to barter it away or something, but other than that...

[grabs popcorn and watches @godskook]

@nwp However, if you're thinking about it at all, check out the Sane Magical Prices Index

Yuuki

I'm not sure if I would put cost down as information for a player to know about a magic item.

I mean, maybe I'd give a ballpark number if they do some appraisal-related skill checks.

nwp

I think I'll bring that up in a late session 0. They can either look around and find he best price with haggling and such or just always get an average price.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

I want to fact-check the "Gandalf was a 5th level Wizard" article by reading *Lord of the Rings* and marking anything supernatural that happens. This will be my first reading of those books (yes, after 15 years into fantasy, lol), so I hope I will not miss anything.

Does anyone have any suggestions about how is it better to mark? I am currently going to make a Google Spreadsheet with several columns for each supernatural action: 1) Short description of what had happened 2) Direct quote from the text 3) The closest (in effect) Pathfinder or 3.5e spell

nitsua60

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Thought we all agreed he was a bard?

Adam

9:50 PM

@nwp I give out item cards to my players and I remove rarity from them completely. Nobody has called me out on it yet.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@nitsua60 When?

Yuuki

@nitsua60 To be fair, he's probably a proper wizard in the Undying Lands.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@nitsua60 I am not going to make a conclusion what class and level is Gandalf

I am only going to make a table and let others guess

godskook

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Let me know if you find any possible exceptions. I'd be happy to review them.

@nitsua60 By "we" you mean?

BESW

12

Q: Character build for Gandalf in D&D3.5?

In my groups next campaign I am hoping to be a PC instead of the DM and I want to play a character who is like Gandalf from The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit. I began looking at options; he would probably be a bard, but what race would he be? I want him to be proficient with a sword, and he sh...

Baskakov_Dmitriy

9:56 PM

@godskook My friend, a 3.5e/Pathfinder expert, when I asked him about this article, told me that 1) Gandalf actually likely had around 10 levels of Fighter 2) Eagle Aerie is a 6th level spell, and Gandalf has done something similar at some point.

6th level spells imply 11th level Wizard or 12th level Sorcerer

Or 16th level Bard

If @nitsua60 was right about the class

Yuuki

Gandalf has to be a wizard. How else was he going to counterspell pass without trace?

Baskakov_Dmitriy

Seems like that research is actually needed. :)

Well, I will begin with The Hobbit, or There and Back Again.

godskook

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Gandalf has never SUMMONED something.

Not in the D&D definition of the word.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@godskook How did the eagles appear?

godskook

Travel

These are actual eagles that actually live in middle-earth

Adam

10:05 PM

Gandalf fights a Balrog with Glamdring, the Foe Hammer. There is no way he is a single classed anything.

godskook

@Adam What's the CR on a Balrog? And please, don't say "well, its a Balor" :P

Adam

@godskook What edition balrog we talking about? :p

godskook

@Adam We're talking about 3.5/PF for the entirety of this, so.....we're not switching.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@godskook You mean, Gandalf didn't conjure the eagles out of nothing? Well, yes.

godskook

@Baskakov_Dmitriy I mean that Gandalf in no way shape or form teleported, "summoned with magic", or otherwise conjured those eagles. He may have cast Sending, I'd have to check.

Adam

10:08 PM

@godskook Then my internet skills tell me at least 20. And he fought it single handedly

godskook

@Adam Citation? :P

@Baskakov_Dmitriy According to the wiki, poor source that it is, the Eagles in LotR were acting of their own accord.

Eagle (Middle-earth)

In J. R. R. Tolkien's fictional universe of Middle-earth, the eagles were immense flying birds that were sapient and could speak. Often emphatically referred to as the Great Eagles, they appear, usually and intentionally serving as agents of eucatastrophe or deus ex machina, in various parts of his legendarium, from The Silmarillion and the accounts of Númenor to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Just as the Ents are guardians of plant life, the giant eagles are the guardians of animal life. These creatures are usually thought to have been similar to actual eagles (for example, as an independent...

Baskakov_Dmitriy

@godskook Definitely gonna read it and check then. :) Can't choose a Revision of Hobbit, though

godskook

@Baskakov_Dmitriy What evidence hath he for the "10 levels of fighter"?

@Baskakov_Dmitriy also, keep in mind that things such as Gestalt and E6 are perfectly viable alternative explanations for how Gandalf had large quantities of low-level power.

Baskakov_Dmitriy

10:23 PM

@godskook Well, ability to fight powerful enemies with a sword, I guess. "10 levels" is likely an exaggeration

@godskook Yes, I have already thought that Gandalf could easily be Commoner 6/Wizard 6/Something 6 by Weird E6 rules

Perhaps, also 6 levels of Monk, lol

Considering that Gandalf doesn't use armour

godskook

@Baskakov_Dmitriy Presuming "Mage Armor" and "Shield" gives us 18+Dex AC as a base AC, which isn't bad for level 6.

Not great, but not bad.

Yuuki

@godskook I can't recall exactly where but I think I remember reading somewhere that the eagles weren't part of the plan to take the Ring to Mordor because they were incredibly vain and arrogant creatures. Even though they served Manwe, their personalities meant that they were more susceptible to the corruption of the Ring.

godskook

@Yuuki My point being, they were not summoned with magic.

Yuuki

Well, I guess I was also asking if that I remember is correct/accurate.

godskook

10:39 PM

@Yuuki I don't remember a definitive answer to why the Eagles were not used in-canon. The wiki suggests, out-of-canon, that Tolkien was trying to avoid them becoming a Deus-Ex-Machina.

NautArch

@godskook 18 is plate armor at 6. Without having to wear armor. That's awesome.

godskook

@NautArch There's some duration issues depending on level and available spellslots, and by level 6, its trivial to have 18+Dex AC

+1 Heavy Shield, +1 Chain Shirt covers it for ~2.5k.

(This IS 3.5 we're talking about)

+1 Mithral Breastplate, +1 H.Shield, is 19+Dex for ~3.5k, and +1 Ring of Deflection and +1 AMulet of Natural Armor are another +2, for 21+Dex AC(Max Dex applies, though).

nwp

11:19 PM

I made this with that. Could probably be made prettier and I'm going back and forth if the item description should contain referenced information or not.

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Ben

That's cool!

Question: is there any "lore reason" for magical item "per day" cycles? I understand it's used "per day" because items don't sleep, so you can't regain abilities after a short/long sleep, so managing it like that makes sense. And managing it per day rather than every 24hr cycle is also easier.

But is there any lore to it? Say for D&D?

nwp

maybe the weave is reset at dawn or something like that

Ben

That would make sense

nwp

11:44 PM

Maybe this is better.

I can't decide if the +1 belongs to the item name or not.

Ben

I wanna show this to my DM, cos he has all sorts of custom stuff... but his spelling is so bad!!

@nwp I think it does. That's what defines it as a difference between a +1, +2, and a standard. Otherwise the item is just better that another for no discernable reason

I've also seen this in games like Dark Souls - you can get variations of the same ring, +1 and +2

Shalvenay

I usually call the +1 +2 etal modifiers on items "ranks" for IC purposes

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