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@trogdor I have found that the new Mountain Dew bottles are a little too green... I'm not sure if I should go to the doc to test for radiation poisoning, or start collecting the bottle caps...

trogdor

ugh, Mountain Dew, never liked that stuff

BESW

[grin] I'm troggy's primary juice dealer.

[tempts with bubbly ginger-infused concoctions]

trogdor

@BESW well, the stuff you give me is way less horrible than the stuff I go find on my own :P

Ben

1:12 AM

See that doesn't sound so bad...

trogdor

lol

Ben

So...

Who wants to play KoM?

:P

trogdor

I would, but work probably wouldn't appreciate that

Shalvenay

@Ben mind telling me what the game is?

Ben

@Shalvenay Which one?

I have been speaking of several today

Shalvenay

1:15 AM

@Ben KoM

Ben

Oh, King of Monsters. @BESW wrote it

trogdor

King of Monsters

it's a silly game about Kaiju fighting each other

I like it a lot, but it is indeed a silly game XD

Ben

Silly?? You do not disrespect the power of the Kaiju!

trogdor

I don't, but I still give them silly names

Ben

But yes. It is a very fun, chaotic little game

@trogdor "John"

Shalvenay

1:18 AM

oh yeah, that's what you're calling it now :)

trogdor

I have not used that one

Ben

@Shalv I think the official name is "Long live the King of Monsters", but I just abbreviate it

trogdor

long long the long of monsters

Ben

long-long-the-long-of-longers

BESW

I'm still fiddling with the features and wording.

Just totally revised the Détente variant and modified the Revolution variant to take advantage of it.

trogdor

1:32 AM

which was the Detente variant?

Ben

@trogdor No OP monsters

BESW

Trying to keep unaway power creep under control.

trogdor

ah

BESW

Originally it was just a hard cap on the number of features each monster could have.

trogdor

we never used that

BESW

1:33 AM

Now it's the "roll 2d6, take lowest" concept that was suggested at Geek Night.

So it's easy to apply that to Supermega Hydrazoid.

Ben

@BESW Question: I haven't read through it completely yet, but the variant that destroys Monster Island... How doe one win that game, if the island is destroyed?

BESW

One doesn't.

trogdor

you don't

everyone loses

BESW

> If all of Monster Island is destroyed it sinks into the sea and nobody gets to be King of Monsters.

Ben

So no one ever wins?

trogdor

1:34 AM

you can win

but only if everyone isn't missing attacks left and right

Ben

Yeah, that was the question... I worded it wrong thoung

BESW

The Collateral variant puts a countdown timer on the fight: the more you miss with your attacks, the faster the clock counts down to everyone losing.

Miniman

@Ben To a true Kaiju, destruction is winning.

Ben

Ah I see

BESW

The idea is to end the fight before it destroys the whole island.

trogdor

1:35 AM

basically the condition to win is the same as normal, but in that variant there is a time cap, every missed attack brings it closer to everyone losing

BESW

It's also super cinematic and makes missing still awesome.

trogdor

once all the islands features are gone, the island is destroyed

Ben

@Miniman [Ignores all other monsters - just tears up the island... then laughs victoriously as it sinks into the lava with the rest of the monsters]

[No one knows where the lava comes from... there's just always lava]

BESW

Happily, the only way you can destroy a landmark is by missing an attack against another monster.

trogdor

yeah it would be pretty silly if anything else did that

:P

Ben

1:51 AM

^ me today

trogdor

hehehe

Ben

Has anyone else watched DBZ Abridged?

trogdor

I have

maybe not all of it

but I saw a lot of it because I thought it was hilarious

Miniman

I haven't even managed to watch DB yet.

Ben

I just enjoy the whole Nappa/Vegeta thing. It explains why Vegeta is so angry all the time

BESW

2:00 AM

DBZ and its cultural offshoots are also part of this list.

Ben

lol

trogdor

fair enough

BESW

Fate Core is about to sell out on Amazon again. This is mad times over here. https://smile.amazon.com/Evil-Hat-Productions-EHP0001-System/dp/1613170297/ref=pd_rhf_gw_p_img_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=HEN0K64N58TKEEV5CC7H

Tweeted by chrishanrahan on June 1, 2017 at 1:58 AM

Adeptus

@nitsua60 That'll teach me to ask closed questions... What I really meant to ask was - does a large group pose any problems, and do you have any advice for running such a group? (Also any general advice for a DW-newbie GM)

Magician

2:21 AM

Some of us are Published Game Designers now.

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Papayaman1000

As an update to my homebrew system's massive, sprawling Custom Spells table: Considering making summons for all three main schools of magic (Destructive, Healing/Clerical, Illusory), to help put a throttle on the ever-versatile Illusory school and disperse it over the other two schools. Thoughts?

Ben

@Papayaman1000 Ifrit/Odin for the first one

Papayaman1000

@Ben *glares*

Ben

Helpiiing

Papayaman1000

I meant more along the lines of creating elementals. Poor phrasing on my part.

Ben

2:25 AM

@Papayaman1000 So have you thought about how they go about obtaining these? As well as their power?

Cos right now I'm imagining summons from like, Final Fantasy or Golden Sun

Shalvenay

hey there @Papayaman1000

Papayaman1000

Destructive can create Aspects of [Magic Damage Type, aka Fire/Frost/Shock/Force], Healing can create Aspects of [Stone (battlefield control), Spirit (healing), or Herbs (buffs and debuffs)], and Illusory can create Aspects of [Dreams (illusions), Nightmares (enemy control), Mind (Ethereal conjuration), Matter (Physical conjuration), and Exchange (Alchemy)], and powerful wizards (and those Jacks-of-all-Trades) will also have access to Aspects of Mana, which are more metamagic-y.

That's the first draft, at least.

Oh and Illusories also get Aspects of Flesh (Necromancy)

While dark arts will grant their users Aspects of Blood, which absorb the life-force of other beings to power innate abilities.

Ben

@Papayaman1000 So these just temporarily enhance a user's abilities?

Papayaman1000

These dark arts can also corrupt the three schools, leading to Aspects of Inferno (DMAG), Rot (HMAG), and Insanity (IMAG).

@Ben Well, they could, but more likely the Aspect would use it for its own energy pool (while possibly gaining full sapience and betraying their summoners).

Ben

Ah ok, so kind of like summoning some kind of dryad/ghostly figure/demon of some sort.

Forgive the comparisons I'm making, I'm just trying to imagine the ball-park you're aiming for

Papayaman1000

2:37 AM

The idea is that, for a large base cost, the Aspect could be created, then rather expensively (around 5x the cost of the normal casting) imbued with spells. It can cast these spells from its own Focus (discount Mana), which is capped at creation and slowly regained by drawing from the environment.

@Ben Sort of, yes.

Ben

I see.

So what's your concerns with this?

Papayaman1000

Lore-wise, would default to raw constructs of pure magic, incredibly turbulent.

Well, for one, summons are a pain in the keister to deal with in formats like Play By Post.

Ben

Ah. True

I assume they'd be handled by the DM?

Papayaman1000

Another, I'm not sure how giving summons to all three schools would affect the balance and characteristics of each.

@Ben The caster would probably have control over it. Probably.

Ben

Well in my mind I would not see the three mixing. I.e. a PC would not be able to use more than one "school".

Papayaman1000

2:41 AM

@Ben I slap such a prohibitively high cost on them for that reason. Yes, you could create many of them, but it'd take a lot of time, energy, and skill.

Ben

Well, what I mean is that if you "learn to control" the Destruction Aspect, you can't "learn" to control the others. So it'd be a 1 in 3 choice - no going back

@Papayaman1000 The problem with that is it would end up with lots of "can I do (x)?" from the players.

Papayaman1000

In fact, the cost would likely be too expensive for any one mage to create on the battlefield. An exceptionally powerful practitioner could theoretically do this, but it really wouldn't be practical compared to, say, another massive evocation.

@Ben I mean "probably" referring to the bit with Dark aspects betraying their masters.

Otherwis, yeah, total caster agency there

Ben

@Papayaman1000 Never underestimate the ingenuity of a Player

Papayaman1000

Anyways, as an extension of "too expensive", I've worked in a sort of Ritual Casting system: the total Focus (discount mana) cost of any spell can be reduced by tacking on levels of a component that increases casting time.

So summoning these aspects would probably be what the caster does instead of a Short Rest.

Ben

What time period do they last for? or is it a HP duration?

Papayaman1000

2:47 AM

@Ben It would be based on their Focus pool. This has a nice trade-off in that they regenerate over time (and Dark aspects are vampiric!), but all their abilities are cast from hit points.

As a side note, yeah, HP damage is definitely converted to Focus damage.

Ben

@Papayaman1000 Ohhh interesting

Papayaman1000

Plus it makes more sense from a fluff standpoint ("If they're made of magic, but run out of magic, wouldn't they cease to exist?" "Yes.")

Ben

Well, apart from control over these Aspects, especially with PbP, I don't see too much of an issue with it.

Papayaman1000

hey there @SevenSidedDie

SevenSidedDie

@Papayaman1000 Hallo!

Papayaman1000

2:51 AM

Aw, man. Just realized I kind brushed Shal off in favor of these summons. Sorry, Shal.

So, uh, doing more work on that custom casting system.

Shalvenay

oh, np :)

Joel Harmon

Greetings, fellow mortals! Also, any mods present!

Papayaman1000

Also, going hand-in-hand with the Ritual Casting mock-up I mentioned earlier, do you think it'd be a bad idea to allow mages to "prepare" spells for later use (pay the full cost up-front, but cast the spell for free one time afterwards)? Should it be available to powerful uni-school mages, or should it demand a skilled "Jack of all Trades" wizard, like metamagic Aspects?

@JoelHarmon Hello, and @SevenSidedDie.

Joel Harmon

@Papayaman1000 you mean scrolls?

Papayaman1000

@JoelHarmon Yeah.

So, uh, that answers the first half...

SevenSidedDie

2:59 AM

(Spurious reports that mods are other than mortal are categorically denied by our press secretaries.)

Joel Harmon

I mean, it could be more valuable because it's not a physical object that can be stolen, destroyed, lost, or contribute to a weight limit

Papayaman1000

@JoelHarmon Plus, the sheer versatility of a given spell, effects-wise, in my Custom Spells system is (hopefully, and if so, obviously) far beyond that of a spell in D&D.

Joel Harmon

oh, @SevenSidedDie, I meant to follow up with you on your comments to an answer of mine earlier this week.

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A: Why do some players write XP separate and does it really matter?

Some of them write XP out separate for example 1500/1000 when multi-classing. Does this really make any difference? No, the manner of recording XP doesn't change the total, which is all that really matters to a 3.5 character. I mean in the end your XP total should add up the same and as ...

I'm just not sure what isn't clear about it, and I'd appreciate feedback

Papayaman1000

And there's where I stop bothering people with homebrew stuff. Later, g'night, sorry for any inconveniences.

SevenSidedDie

@JoelHarmon Oh right, that. I'm just really not clear on what's going on there. In 3.x there's only a single XP total for a PC, and individual points aren't ever associated with a particular class of a MC character, so I'm totally lost when you're suggesting that there is something about how XP works that can be associated with each class.

Magician

3:04 AM

A neat tool: medieval fantasy city map generator

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SevenSidedDie

@Papayaman1000 Nah, it's cool. And there's always the NAB if separation of conversations is desirable.

BESW

@Magician It seems to be making the rounds lately.

Joel Harmon

@SevenSidedDie the something that can be associated is just the penalty. It seems the question can be rephrased to "given that xp is per character, not per class, why track XP separately", to which my maximally pithy reply would be "accounting".

Magician

Huh. Yeap, it got retweeted into my timeline, so I shared it.

Joel Harmon

@Papayaman1000 I've just skimmed your backlog here, and I'm now wondering if you're familiar with the magic system in Whitewolf's Mage (either edition)

SevenSidedDie

3:09 AM

@JoelHarmon Oh, okay, you're saying that the -20% “per class” is only on the “XP for that class”. I think the post could be much clearer about that.

Shalvenay

hey there @JoelHarmon

Joel Harmon

@SevenSidedDie not even for that class, but particular levels you gain while class-imbalanced

it's just convenient to associate a gained level with a class

SevenSidedDie

@JoelHarmon Oh, that's what you mean. In that case though: how does that actually work, in terms of practical ~~math~~ bookkeeping? Why is any splitting needed?

Or put another way, what's on the left of the slash, and what's on the right? What do the numbers mean?

Joel Harmon

it'd be xp without penalty, followed by xp with penalty, possibly followed by other with/without situations.

nitsua60

@Adeptus I actually did that intentionally. I was pretty sure (time zones) that you weren't around, so I wanted to reply so you'd see, with a "yes" so we could remember to follow up next time we crossed paths. Really wasn't trying to be a dink, even if it came off that way =)

Shalvenay

3:15 AM

hey there @nitsua60

Joel Harmon

My core reasoning why you'd ever attempt this is when someone asks how much experience everyone has. The expectation is they'd all have the same totals, but they don't because multiclassing penalties. Some kind of tracking like this seems to be the best way to corroborate the amount of experience gained per encounter among people with different levels and penalties.

Adeptus

@nitsua60 I'm theoretically around now, but about to go get some lunch. If you want my interaction, I should be back in about an hour

Joel Harmon

@SevenSidedDie Since the OP didn't define the system used more explicitly, I'm kinda stuck with making an educated guess as to what they're doing based on my own knowledge/experience.

the real situation is probably more like "I saw these people doing this weird thing. Why would they do that?" to which the answer is "Did you ask them?"

SevenSidedDie

@JoelHarmon Yeah, that was exactly my reaction to first reading the question. :)

WrongOnTheInternet

@SevenSidedDie I'd feel a bit silly asking this in a comment, but for the meta question, should I just edit that myself and move the second question to its own meta question? Will the mods transfer the answers that relate to the second, or...

SevenSidedDie

3:21 AM

@JoelHarmon Okay, so I think what the answer could use is clarifying exactly how that hypothetical accounting method accomplishes the tracking of different character XP totals. It's not clear from the answer why noting it separately per class accomplishes that. I'm not entirely sure where to start with more specific suggestions though.

Joel Harmon

@SevenSidedDie Thanks, I'll mull it over.

SevenSidedDie

@WrongOnTheInternet Oh! Yeah, just edit that part out of the existing question, then post a fresh question with that as the subject.

BESW

3:36 AM

Meanwhile in "What is an RPG?" I just saw it defined as a game which gives players reasons to make in-character statements.

Ben

@BESW Such as?

BESW

Well, exactly.

While I think I see where they're coming from, it's definitely a playstyle thing. By a strict reading barely any game qualifies, as third-person narration is totally legit in almost every system.

Player: "Grundar makes a rude gesture at the advancing goblin and shouts something nasty about the soldier's mother."
GM: "The goblin laughs and agrees."

Joel Harmon

@BESW Does that include, say, the accusation that comes at the end of Clue?

Ben

Well... truth be told I never really thought of it like that.

BESW

Player: "I roll to intimidate the goblin by having Grundar say rude things."
GM: "Your roll fails, so the goblin is not intimidated."

Miniman

3:41 AM

@BESW Monopoly qualifies. "Oh damn, I got sent to jail."

BESW

Player: "Hey, stupid goblin! Your mother wears hats with stinky flowers!"
GM: "Hahaha! You're right, her hats are *terrible!* We tease her about it every harvest!"

Only one of those is an example of making in-character statements.

Ben

I like the first one. Less effort required, and more open for the imagination. That way it leaves it up to the group to think of, and share an appropriately funny alternative.

BESW

And on the other end, yeah. Clue and APFMT explicitly demand in-character statements, but only one is probably considered an RPG.

@Ben Agreed, it's fast becoming my preferred default narrative form.

trogdor

there is also something to be said for actually saying something

but only if you actually came up with something specific to say

BESW

Yeah. We switch modes frequently depending on the needs of the scene.

trogdor

3:47 AM

otherwise I agree, I like to default speaking narrative style for my character

BESW

I call it "zooming in and out," adjusting the focus to match the scene's importance and interest with appropriate mechanical complexity and narrative intimacy.

nitsua60

@Adeptus I'll be in bed by then. It seems my evenings/your mornings might be the best time to catch up, in which case my Monday/your Tuesday is probably the next time I can! (Next few evenings are booked solid.)

Miniman

@trogdor If nothing else, it makes it a lot easier to smoothly handle the result of RNG-based resolution mechanics.

nitsua60

@Shalvenay hiya

BESW

A big problem I ran into early in my D&D days was thinking that the only focal length available was round-by-round.

trogdor

3:48 AM

@Miniman that is one application for it sure

nitsua60

@JoelHarmon halloo! How's the little (not-so-little these days? approaching 6mo.?) one?

Joel Harmon

@nitsua60 She's got this awkward situation where two bones are sticking out of her body, but other than that she's happy and healthy :)

(that is to say, she's started teething)

trogdor

oh jeez

I was scared by that for a second

BESW

[amused]

nitsua60

@trogdor me too =\

Miniman

3:52 AM

@JoelHarmon Yep, got me as well.

trogdor

I think it is unfair to weaponize your children like that

Joel Harmon

I can assure all of you that if my daughter required urgent medical attention, I would be calling an ambulance rather than chatting about it on Stack.

@trogdor I didn't have to do anything; she's self-weaponizing

trogdor

@JoelHarmon I should certainly hope so yes

@JoelHarmon all the signs of a healthy growing dragon yes

nitsua60

Okay, this week's KD:M report. Back-to-back TPKs. Good fun had by all... monsters. (cc: @MadMAxJr)

@trogdor whose children should Joel weaponize?

Joel Harmon

@nitsua60 you have a few spares, right?

trogdor

3:54 AM

@nitsua60 obviously the neighbors man, keep up will you?

nitsua60

@JoelHarmon Yeah--they're already on the train toward you =)

@trogdor I've got a lot of caching to do =)

BESW

trogdor

lol

Miniman

@nitsua60 Incidentally, I've been thinking about this a lot, mostly because I realised what chat event I'd really like to host, and it just isn't practical for me :(

WrongOnTheInternet

@nitsua60 Thanks for clearing that up.

nitsua60

4:01 AM

@Miniman :(

Ben

@JoelHarmon Modern parenting approach: Take picture first, quickly share to FB, then deal with it.

nitsua60

@WrongOnTheInternet Glad it helped! Good conversation to be having, I think, and I'm glad SSD spotted the trouble that conjoined-ness was causing earlier.

WrongOnTheInternet

Yeah, that was fairly frusturating.

nitsua60

@Ben Doesn't FB have a "find ____ near me"/recommendation function now?

Ben

I kid, of course, because now that I too have a goblin-clawed, fanged little ball rolling around the house, I would also deal with the emergency first, then not even bother with social media, because I'm an introvert like that

nitsua60

4:03 AM

JoelHarmon shared this picture with you. [View] Would you like to recommend a nearby hospital?

Miniman

@nitsua60 "Siri, find the closest weaponised human baby."

nitsua60

@Ben s/introvert/responsible adult =)

@Miniman Siri: "I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that." [mutters] "They're on our side now, old-timer."

Miniman

@nitsua60 Wait, the babies and the robots have joined forces? If that alliance added zombies to its ranks, we would be facing the three most literally helpless forces imaginable.

nitsua60

@Miniman gratuitious WhatIf link: what-if.xkcd.com/5

[is sad that WhatIf doesn't onebox]

Ben

As a matter of fact, this chat knows more about my daughter than anyone outside my household.

trogdor

4:09 AM

huh

why is that?

I mean that in the sense of, why share here if you don't anywhere else?

Miniman

@trogdor ~~Because we're creepy stalkers who have been watching him ever since he joined~~ oh, yeah, it's because he shares with us.

trogdor

@Miniman lol

I mean, I think the answer is probably just that this is a comfortable environment

that is certainly the classification I would give it

Miniman

I mean, I've certainly revealed more here than anywhere else. Although that's really just a function of probability, I guess.

trogdor

to be fair, I have shared more things here than I ever expected to share with anyone at all

even BESW probably would not have heard my opinions on some things if I had not voiced them here

nitsua60

@trogdor ~~I assume they noticed the teeth today, and this is among the first mentions of it?~~

trogdor

4:13 AM

@nitsua60 what now?

nitsua60

(nvm--wrong daughter we're talking about)

trogdor

ah ok

nitsua60

With that, I'm off to bed. See (some of) you tomorrow for COLONYPUNK =)

trogdor

DA DA DAAAAAA!

Ben

@trogdor Similar to what @Miniman suggested. It's easy to talk here. Technically, we're all strangers (or at least you are to me), so there's no history of anything to make judgements on. You guys and gals are all just people willing to talk about stuff.

trogdor

4:16 AM

fair enough

more or less what I could have expected as an answer

Miniman

Although it does scare me sometimes that everything we say here is etched an inch deep in solid diamond.

Ben

This is true

trogdor

I do try to keep exceptionally personal information out of it

just because anyone could show up here and read stuff

Ben

@trogdor You may want to remove any desires of BURNINATION then

trogdor

@Ben that is my public life, no need

Miniman

4:20 AM

@trogdor Oh yeah, did you see you've acquired an impostor?

trogdor

@Miniman a what now?

Miniman

@trogdor Well, 3, actually.

Ben

trogdor

@Miniman those ain't imposters, that is a common dragon name nowadays

WrongOnTheInternet

hes got little cornchips for teeth

trogdor

4:25 AM

I would be more worried if any of them were actually trying, instead of just using a really cool name

Ben

[Off-topic side comment] I like how people like to refer to features as "Hacks" or "work-arounds", usually prefixed with "dirty" or "sneaky"

No... It's a feature. It's designed to do that. For specific reasons, such as the ones you are using them for.

Step 1: Google "How does be a dragon"
Step 2: Name yourself "Trogdor"
Step 3: Find other dragons named "Trogdor"
Step 4: Take their identity

trogdor

Step 5: get BURNINATED son

Ben

Yo know... I think I finally realized why it's called the "Legend of Zelda".

The Oracle

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Q: Should Diamond Mods have a set of guidelines on voting to close/reopen contentious questions? If so, what should that policy be?

Relating to this question on main, and a spin-off of this question on meta, I noticed an odd trend: five votes to close, five votes to open, and one diamond close, all without any editing. This is far from common, and the question has since been edited, reopened, and edited again, but it did pro...

Ben

The story line goes: "Link does all the hard work > Zelda comes in at the last instant > Kills/Seals Ganon > Takes all the credit"

trogdor

4:36 AM

lol

she does tend to do that

Miniman

@Ben "We killstealers have a legend. It is said, that there is one killstealer whose ability to steal kills transcends her own mortality and even time itself. Wherever and whenever a kill occurs, she is there to take the credit. Her name is mentioned only in whispers... Zelda "

trogdor

this isn't really true

she just does it to one specific poor sap

Miniman

@trogdor I'd kill you for disagreeing with me, but I wouldn't get the credit anyway.

Ben

@Miniman I'm imagining a big hall. like Valhalla or something, with all these characters sitting around, eating, drinking and being generally happy about their lives, with Zelda sitting at the high table

trogdor

@Miniman I would like to see you try mortal :P

@Ben is this how this thing works? wow I had it wrong this whole time XD

Ben

4:40 AM

@trogdor The only trouble is that she does it to the same poor sap that the actual hero is after, constantly. That's why there's a series. He's just trying to get his own for once

Miniman

@Ben No, she does it to the hero. The hero kills the poor sap - Zelda just takes the credit.

WrongOnTheInternet

The Legend of Smelda: Macarena of Time

trogdor

lol

WrongOnTheInternet

That was a real game you could download at one point in the early 2000's.

trogdor

oh

how strange

Miniman

4:42 AM

@WrongOnTheInternet So was The Legend of Zelda:Can of Whoop Ass. The early 2000s were a crazy time.

WrongOnTheInternet

@Miniman Gotta love those downright bizarre fangames.

trogdor

also these, not fan games but from a different publisher or something, in the 90's

Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon

Link: The Faces of Evil and Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon are two action-adventure video games developed by Animation Magic and published by Philips Interactive Media for the CD-i video game console. The two games were released at the same time, and look and play similarly due to their simultaneous development cycle and low budget. Another game was released for the CD-i, titled Zelda's Adventure, which featured a different developer and perspective than its predecessors. Link: The Faces of Evil puts players in control of Link, while Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon has players control Princess Zelda. Both...

in that second one you actually played as Zelda, and the art style was hilarious in both of them

WrongOnTheInternet

AUGH

Although those games are the reason I have one of my very good friends to day

trogdor

they were quite something, to be sure

very much a 90's thing too

WrongOnTheInternet

"To day"? "To day" what exactly? What am I going to day?

@trogdor Also, they had horrendous loading times.

trogdor

4:49 AM

well yeah, but I wouldn't expect anything different

they were also a little more punishing than one would want, but what can you do?

it's not like I was nominating them for any awards other than the ones for being a weird 90's thing

Ben

@WrongOnTheInternet Processing power was not a strong feature in the 90s

WrongOnTheInternet

@Ben Nor was ram. Being on CD didn't help, and I don't think how those games loaded things was all that optimized, either.

Ben

@Miniman The only exception to this rule I have found was Wind Waker

@WrongOnTheInternet I think it was around that time that the PC industry realised what was happening, so they stepped things up from MS Word

I enjoy explaining things to people that have no idea what you're on about. They pay attention, but after a while they just get a dazed look on their face as they get more and more lost

WrongOnTheInternet

@Ben Yeah, but the third CDI zelda game (the one that was top-down and didn't have the weird animations) took about 2-4 seconds to load between zones.

Zelda's Adventure gameplay

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@Ben Which things?

What and where?

Ben

"So I was playing Harvenfall, and the main character Gralt can do this thing called Rewsting, where he takes his Trendlewatch and swings to the Yuldren. But the last time I did it, a Gulip got in my way, and I nearly died, until I managed to pull out the Wastur, and pulled myself to safety."

"Do go on"

WrongOnTheInternet

5:00 AM

@Ben What. Is this like when you're in a game store, and some guy regales you with his epic tale of what happened in the last D&D session, only you have zero context for what's going on and he started in the middle, so your eyes just glaze over?

Ben

[Disclaimer: that was all legitimate gibberish]

WrongOnTheInternet

Oh thank god. Google didn't return many answers on what a "Harvenfall" was.

Ben

@WrongOnTheInternet Exactly haha

Adeptus

Sounds like when people are talking about sport to me

trogdor

@Ben ( I caught on at Rewsting)

Ben

5:03 AM

@trogdor Caught on, or gave up? :P

trogdor

@Ben naw I read it all

I read a lot of stuff

to be fair, I don't generally bother with backlogs of conversations I was not part of

Ben

@trogdor [Whispers sinisterly] I read eeeeeverything....

trogdor

@Ben lol

Miniman

I too read everything, but in a less creepy way.

Of course, depending how you read that, it might make you...tense.

Ben

Usually with a cup of tea nearby, and reading glasses

@Trogdor do you enjoy watching funny fail videos of games?

trogdor

5:13 AM

@Ben on occasion sure

not something I typically do

but I can garner enjoyment from some of them some of the time

not quite at the moment though

in an hour or so maybe

Ben

Fair. I saw one for H0D. I had a chuckle at it.

Save for later @Trogdor

WrongOnTheInternet

Alright, that meta question is shaping up to be more productive now.

That does me good.

Ben

I actually had a n interesting experience when I first started playing. Was really getting into it... the game is just so damn pretty... then this happened.

facebook.com/ben.hall.507/videos/1384166548285953

Adeptus

5:30 AM

@Ben Content unavailable? Yeah, I hate it when that happens... :P

Ben

@Adeptus ...interesting

WrongOnTheInternet

@Ben I think it's cause they aren't your FB friends.

Adeptus

Yeah, we're just your... SE... acquaintances?

Ben

Ah. That'd be it.