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Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
12:01 AM
@nitsua60 I'm glad to be entertaining.
I just hope that eventually, if I ever get anything out of my players' shenanigans, it'll be a 1d4chan-worthy piece, like Old Man Henderson.
(Please send me any good P&P stories that you ever stumble across)
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Papayaman1000 Personally, I hope a story like that never comes out of any game I'm a participant in.
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
@Miniman Every single session for me is riiiiight on the brink of that. Primarily because I GM for three kind PSYCHOPATHS.
I just Google'd "lolfigsl" and the first result is from this room, from February. Ohhh boy.
EVERY EXAMPLE IS PULLED OUT-OF-CONTEXT FROM THIS VERY ROOM.
What is this mysterious, maddening chant?
It seems to have started with someone shouting it at BESW sometime last November? I must do more research into this.
It also seems to be a nitsua thing.
 
Miniman
Miniman
Aug 7 '16 at 20:59, by nitsua60
@SevenSidedDie like "lol forrealz, I'm getting strange looks"?
(The original.)
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Ahhh, okay.
I was starting to wonder if it was something along the lines of RTFM, and that's why nobody brought it up.
Anyways, been working on how to translate Actual Cannibal Shia Labeouf into 5e.
 
Miniman
Miniman
Scripted encounters are pretty problematic in a game where a d20 resolves most interactions.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
12:15 AM
@Papayaman1000 lolfigsl =)
the sound when chat-search knows more than Google search =)
 
Miniman
Miniman
Quick, someone add it to urban dictionary!
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
[After a big fight]
"You're walking in the woods.
There's no-one around and your Cleric's dead.
[Hidden roll] Out of the corner of your eye you spot him
(Stalker Druid)
He's following you
About 6 tiles back
He Wild Shapes on all fours
And breaks into a sprint
He's gaining on you
(Stalker Druid)
Oh, and, done.
With the UD bit.
Continuing the Actual Cannibal Stalker Druid bit now.
"You're looking for your horse but you're all turned around
He's almost upon you now and you can see there's blood on his face.
By the Gods, there's blood everywhere!"
(Stalker Druid)
Running for your life!
(From Stalker Druid)
He's brandishing your knife!
(The Stalker Druid)
Lurking in the shadows
Magical Extraordinaire Stalker Druid
Talking with the woods
(Stalker Druid)
Killing for sport
(Stalker Druid)
Eating all the bodies
Actual Cannibal Stalker Druid
"Now it's dark and you seem to have lost him
But you're hopelessly lost yourself
Stranded with a Dire Wolf
You creep silently through the underbrush -- Aha!
In the distance, a small cottage with the candles lit -- Hope!
You move stealthily toward it,
But your legs, they're caught in a snare trap!"
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Papayaman1000 lol
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Gnawing off your legs,
(Quiet, quiet.)
Limping towards the cottage
(Quiet, quiet.)
Now you're on the doorstep
Sitting inside, Stalker Druid!
Sharpening his claws
(Stalker Druid)
But he doesn't hear you enter
(Stalker Druid)
You're sneaking up behind him.
Strangling Wild Formed Stalker Druid
Fighting for your life
With Stalker Druid!
Wrestling your knife
From Stalker Druid!
Stab it in his kidney --
Safe at last from Stalker Druid.
 
trogdor
trogdor
12:33 AM
@Papayaman1000 wow yeah, this is the first time I got myself (and other people of course as well) as the first result in a google
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
"You limp into the dark woods,
blood oozing from your stump legs.
But you have won.
You have beaten the Stalker Druid."
BUT WAIT HE'S STILL ALIVE!
(STALKER SURPRISE!)
 
trogdor
trogdor
stalker druid surprise
lol
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
There's a sword to your neck,
and death in his eyes
But you took feats for grapple
 
trogdor
trogdor
(SD uses a sword?)
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Bodyslam Elf-again Stalker Druid!
 
trogdor
trogdor
12:35 AM
lol
@Papayaman1000 (you can do it)
I have listened to that song too many times XD
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Legendary fight
With Stalker Druid
Normal Tuesday Night
For Stalker Druid
You try to loose a shot
At Stalker Druid
But blood is draining fast from your stump legs
He's dodging every bolt, he sprints off to the left
You quick-cast a firebolt, and catch him in the head
You're burning up his head now
You have just BURNINATED Stalker Druid!
"The ash blows in the wind, now lifeless
The party falls to their knees to take a long rest
You're finally safe
From
Stalker
Druid."
Holy nine hells, that was exhausting.
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
why did you decide to do that?
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Because they also loop the song endlessly and would appreciate the reference
I hereby decree that all further uses of lolfigsl be linked to here or here.
Preferably the lattermost.
 
trogdor
trogdor
yeah the first one isn't very enlightening
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Oh, and, for the curious and confused, that massive epic was an adaptation of this.
 
trogdor
trogdor
12:46 AM
besides which, Urban Dictionary is fun, but it has some weird stuff on it and is not always incredibly accurate anyway
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
@trogdor Eventually one of the submissions will be whitelisted.
 
trogdor
trogdor
ah
 
BESW
BESW
THIS WEEK ON PARTY OF ONE, it's a fantasy whodunnit using @EvilHatOfficial's FATE Accelerated Edition! https://soundcloud.com/partyofonepodcast/80-fate-accelerated-edition-with-jp-thiesing
Tweeted by PartyOfOnePod on May 31, 2017 at 12:38 AM
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
@BESW Thanks for reminding me to spend another hour or three on that.
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 this sound ok?: "So I'm a wizard that's designing a dungeon; I have perfect knowledge of what any 6th-level PC can and cannot do. Assuming I made a door that can only be opened from the inside, how should I design the door to prevent entry by any magical means?"
sorry for the multiple ping-edits :p
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
12:56 AM
With ethereal things
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@daze413 why couch it that way? Why not just "I'm a designer working on a dungeon and want to gate out PCs under level 7. What can keep them out, but allow them in (by their own means) afterward?"
 
daze413
daze413
cc: @WrongOnTheInternet
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Have a massive Sphere of Annihilation that only exists on the Material Plane.
Aaaaaaand dead.
Build a massive mouth around it, too, labelled "FREE CANDY FOR ALL WHO ARE NOT ETHEREAL", just in case they don't get the hint at first
They'll probably chuck the Dwarf at it before they do anything else
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
And link to Angry's gating article.
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 because it may involve all means like putting it in another plane, submerging it underwater, put a CR20 guardian that doesn't offer a clever puzzle to let through
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
1:00 AM
@daze413 I'm not sure I follow you...?
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 by asking "what can keep them out" I think it becomes too broad, as any of the above means can keep them out
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@daze413 So you're thinking to constrain/scope it by limiting to things a pc-like in-universe wizard might be able to accomplish?
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 I think he's thinking to constrain it by limiting it to "how do I make this door/gate/portal secure from everything 6th-level PCs can do?"
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 Honestly, I'm having a hard time formulating the question. :/ it's not even about the power limit of the designer, but how to keep nosy magical people out, in general (like for a vault or something). Bonus points if the answerer can identify at which levels it can be cracked open.
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
@nitsua60 Ignoring the Disneyfication of the mythology... Moana has absolutely beautiful animation/artwork
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
1:08 AM
@daze413 The way you're writing it it sounds like a just-for-funsies question.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
hey there @daze413 @Papayaman1000 @NautArch -- I take it you folks aren't going to be available tonight? or will you be around after all?
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
I was thinking about adventure/dungeon design: I'm the writer, and I want to create an area that the PCs can know about but not access until X, and have them realize that they can access it then and only then. I want it dangling out there in front of them....
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 it's fun but it doesn't mean it won't come up. I'd love to show the players my notes that I really didn't decide on-the-fly that the vault was sealed air-tight and that there was a sheet of lead in the walls
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Shalvenay I'd the rest of the crew is in, I've got about 1 hour to play
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@daze413 Well, whatever would be useful for you, go ahead and pose it. Just means I'll have to think up my own =)
 
daze413
daze413
1:14 AM
@NautArch similar. :) cc:@Shalvenay
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Miniman when you get a moment to mull it over: do you want to try hosting a Stranger Things watch+chat event?
 
Ben
Ben
I enjoy seeing usernames like "2 COOL 4 U" and "I M DA BESTEST" asking questions about games. They always seem to undermine the confidence they're trying to exude.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
(Or @KRyan ?) (In re: two messages up.)
@Ben I enjoyed learning (a moment ago) that there's a user somewhere on the network with the u/n "bobe kryant". Does Kobe think that's going to keep his cool NBA friends from learning that he's a jQuery gold badger!?
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 Tbh, the timezone thing (plus some RL stuff that limits my free time) means I'm probably not going to be participating in any chat events.
 
Ben
Ben
Lol
 
daze413
daze413
1:26 AM
@nitsua60 kryant... kryant... kryan... KRyan... KRyan is Kobe
 
NautArch
NautArch
@daze413 hrm, I guess no @Papayaman1000.
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
@daze413 ...Half Life 3 confirmed :P
 
daze413
daze413
@NautArch he was here a while ago
 
NautArch
NautArch
@Adeptus wait, wut?
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Miniman I shouldn't think timzones should be a problem. Just schedule when's good in your life, and perhaps people come? (OTOH, if RL means not hosting, that's totally understandable.)
 
NautArch
NautArch
1:28 AM
@Adeptus I apparently don't know my memes
 
daze413
daze413
I've taken to call BBEG's BBEPets NBA star names. Once had an Giant Alligator named Kobe, and a Shambling Mound named Timmy
 
Ben
Ben
1:43 AM
Anyone played Horizon Zero Dawn?
 
trogdor
trogdor
nope, I have only watched a lot of it
despite the cool robots to fight, I think I would have gotten seriously bored of it relatively quickly
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
@NautArch MYAAH
did i miss it
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@Papayaman1000 well, if @NautArch and @daze413 have a bit of time -- we can have the next boat show up
 
Papayaman1000
Papayaman1000
Man, I hate it when less than 1/2 hr of bad timing mucks up everyone's plans.
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor I've been playing it for only about 6 hours so far, but I think there's a lot in it. There's collectibles, upgrades, mini-quests and dungeons, and the combat is so diverse. It's not just another "Open world RPG"
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
1:50 AM
if not -- I suppose we'll see what the weekend brings :)
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben I agree with you to an extent
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Like sure, there are only so many times you can do the same thing again before it gets boring
 
trogdor
trogdor
but I think the major problem is that it still has many tired open world game elements in it that I quickly burned out on
 
Ryan
Ryan
Heya all. Anyone got a favorite D&D youtube channel? I've heard one or two mentioned at the table I play at but don't remember their names
 
trogdor
trogdor
and I used to love gathering herbs, not so much anymore I think
@Ben I do like the sheer number of different robot animals to fight
 
Ben
Ben
1:52 AM
But I'm slow with these kinds of developments. I get captured by everything new, and after another hour of exploring I realise I was actually meant to be doing something else
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ryan A friend of mine loves Critical Role, but I've never watched any D&D on youtube.
 
trogdor
trogdor
but there is also the problem that some of them are more annoying than difficult, and fighting the same ones too many times would start to become a grind
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor One of the big parts of it too is that there are literally two worlds in the one game. The Overworld, and the Ruins/Crucibles. Two completely separate environments
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben I saw those yeah
they are neat for sure
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Yes. I've run into this issue once or twice. F***ing Sawtooths haha. I had to kill the same one 3 times cos it kept respawning haha. But after a while, you level up, get new gear, new equipment, and it does mix it up.
Until you get to the point when you are max level and then yeah.
 
trogdor
trogdor
1:56 AM
but even those like,... the layout might be different, but the colors and the design on all of them are real similar
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Yeah
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben have you had to fight birds yet? because boy do those look like the worst #@$%@$##@$#ing thing
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Not yet. I fought a chicken thing though. That was a pain in the ass
 
Ryan
Ryan
@Miniman thanks think that was the one they mentioned. And seems I watched one (the one with Vin Diesel). Going to watch a few, want to improve my roleplaying aspect
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben nope, these fly, though the chicken thing is also horrible
the fact that they fly is really the thing that would have annoyed me if I had to actually fight them myself
 
Ben
Ben
1:58 AM
@trogdor Yeah I haven't encountered them yet. Only seen them in the menu.
 
trogdor
trogdor
and from what I have seen, once you run into them for the first time they are freaking everywhere
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor A lot of the prep you do is land based too. So unles you can lure it down to somewhere low enough, it's just a duck hunt
 
trogdor
trogdor
they will not go near the ground except to swipe at you
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Congrats. You Unlocked: Bird Plague
 
trogdor
trogdor
I don't want to spoil too much about how they work
 
Ben
Ben
2:01 AM
Thanks haha. I'm not too worried about spoilers, but this one I'm really excited about. Even just learning about how to fight the new robots is fun (even though it's as easy as Scan > Aim > Win)
 
trogdor
trogdor
I hope they don't end up just making you real mad
 
Ben
Ben
I did one bandit quest though, and I came across Nil. I like him
 
trogdor
trogdor
he is a strange man to be sure
 
Ben
Ben
I immediately thought about how I could make him into a D&D character
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
Does this comment come across too brusque? If so, any suggestions for re-wording?
 
Ben
Ben
2:03 AM
I thought actually a fighter would be a good base class, then focus on archery and survival skills
@nitsua60 Seems ok
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben has he gone into any depth about his,... philosophy?
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Ben Thanks. I'm working on exams, which gets me punchy, and I'd hate to take it out on strangers. (Why, when I've got so many students I can take it out on?)
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 Yeeeesssss...feel the hate flow through you...
 
trogdor
trogdor
@nitsua60 destroy the students, and remake their puny minds stronger still!
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Not as yet. Only had the first discussion with him so far
 
trogdor
trogdor
2:06 AM
@Ben mk
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
(just 'cause)
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben *raise hand
 
trogdor
trogdor
just know he has some things to say that shed some light on who he is and why he does the things
 
Ben
Ben
I obviouisly don't know enough about him to make a fair judgement on his character, but I do like his... personality. Calm, cool, collected. Doesn't really let anything phase him too much.
@daze413 Yes, you there, with the glasses
@trogdor Oh definitely. He was way too aloof to not have something going on
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben How did... Wait, I'm catching up on the H0D chat
 
trogdor
trogdor
2:10 AM
@Ben I do like those traits in characters on occasion
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 6 hrs in, played enough to know what's in the game, haven't played enough to know about the game
 
daze413
daze413
@Ryan The Stream of Annihilation (stickied and starred by doppelgreener) offers a lot of good streamers you can check out. I've listened to Critical Role, Acquisitions Inc, Waffle Crew myself, and they have their pros and cons. If you really wanna improve your roleplay, just actually play :) Nothing beats actually playing
 
Ryan
Ryan
@daze413 ooh thanks Ill check them all out.
 
Shalvenay
Shalvenay
@daze413 yeah, it's why I pursue short-form games as heavily as I do
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben The side quests seemed kinda lacking in intensity and weight. The really good ones are the hunters lodge quests, and thats it :p Hunter's challenges are also really fun. I wish they made more of those
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
2:17 AM
@daze413 btw, with the visuals they're providing, is there any question as to what'll be featured in the fall's storyline?
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 I've been doing nothing but side-quests so far haha. I think I've completed 2 main missions after the proving
I've been mainly just doing exploring
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 what what? Is this about the SoA?
Coz I've taken a step back from learning the news and everything after learning the dates were during my wifi-less vacation
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@daze413 yeah. It's been mentioned that they'll be discussing and dropping hints about the fall's new hardcover adventure.
 
Ben
Ben
I'm also a little bit silly and like to watch speedruns of games I enjoy.
So, naturally... am currently watching H0D Any%
On mute
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben I'm almost done with the game (about 5 or so skills to max level), and I still love killing watchers and making sawtooths hunt striders haha
 
Ben
Ben
2:20 AM
@daze413 I hate watchers so much... But the feel when you get the one-shot... mmh
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben I've been dealing with them in more creative ways. Throw a rock > wait for all of them to freak out and gather near the rock > lob a grenade :D
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 Haaahaaa yes.
I need to do that for my "Tutorial missons"
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 I've been wondering about that too.
 
Ben
Ben
I need to kill 3 robots with one firebomb
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben oh, I never did those things. I just wing it and only do them when I don't understand why the tripcaster doesnt damage that first sawtooth haha
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
2:24 AM
@Miniman You may be interested: I've got my next batch of playtest-feedback due end of next week.
 
Ben
Ben
I'm a completionist. I used to be on Xbox, and so I'd go achievement hunting a lot, and it would kind of ruin the game for me. But with PS Trophies, I really could care less... it lets me play the game. I love it
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 you kids and your fancy closed beta playtesting...
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 I'm very interested, but it's not like you can tell me what it's about anyway, right? Although I note with interest that, to your knowledge, it's not necessarily the same thing as Stream of Annihilation.
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben Hm. I didn't know there was a difference. Go for the blazing suns in all the hunting challenges, some of them are pretty lame but the really good ones make up for the lame ones :D
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Miniman I'm positive it's not. I believe it's for a 2018 release.
 
Miniman
Miniman
2:27 AM
@nitsua60 I know I've asked you this before, but I can't remember the answer - is there anything you've beta-ed that has been subsequently released?
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 I've only done one so far, and did manage to clear it (all 3 blazing suns), and it kinda forced me to rethink the strategies I was using.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
They've been impressive about being 18-12 mo. ahead on playtesting things coming out.
@Miniman I think the answer is that I'm not supposed to say?
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben Yeah, the Nora hunting grounds were one of the lame ones. I mean, nothing against smart play and being aware of the environment, but it's not like you can setup your own log traps, and their simply too short ranged to be of any real use :p
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
It's weird, though, because I've seen bits and pieces also end up hitting UA.
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 Fair enough - I figured once it's been released it doesn't matter, but I can see how they'd want to keep it all under wraps.
 
Ben
Ben
2:29 AM
@daze413 Also, xbox achievements are more addictive - they have the "sight and sound" addictive qualities. Whereas Trophies are way smoother. More of a notification that "you did something, well done"
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Miniman I assume it's to keep a lid on "grr... I told them this part wouldn't work, but they didn't change it!"
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 But does that mean we might see your real name as playtesters in a module?
 
Miniman
Miniman
@daze413 Wait...do the books give playtest credits?
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 To be fair though, the game scales up as you play it. You start out small, boring, and work your way up
 
daze413
daze413
@Miniman Yeah, says right here: "Playtesters: Robert Alaniz, Jay Anderson..." and many more...
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
2:31 AM
@daze413 You... might? I'll say I just flipped open some hardcovers and saw playtest thanks listed which didn't include people I happen to know did playtest those materials.
 
Ben
Ben
For example, I heard the phrase "Override the Sawtooth"
 
daze413
daze413
@nitsua60 Ah, well, that makes sense. The list seemed too small
 
Ben
Ben
Yet I hadn't actually completed anything in the game to let me do so yet. Until last night
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben Ah, so very soon you will rush all the chambers to be able to override everything
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@daze413 It may be that there are multiple rounds/layers? Those are the "real" testers?
 
daze413
daze413
2:35 AM
My personal favorite is the Thunderbird :D They have immense aggro range and will just kill everything
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 That's the plan. But like I said, I get distracted. More often than not I see the distance I need to travel to get to an objective, and think "Nah... What's closer" then get distracted
 
Miniman
Miniman
@nitsua60 In-house, possibly.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
@Miniman They must be bugging the M:tG staff a lot... there's significantly more names there than work on D&D!
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben I can't count how many times that's happened haha "OK, I should just follow this path to cauldron theta and then I can- hey look, a stalker site!"
 
Ben
Ben
Yup... except I'm currently at the stage where the reaction is more like "Oh... what's this new thing..? OH! BAD IDEA! BAD IDEA!" [Respawn] "ok... you're asking for it now..." [2 hrs later] "Finally! Ok...What was I doing?"
I'm also quickly learning not to hoard things. I have 3 stacks of ridgewood that I cannot get rid of, except for crafting.
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
2:51 AM
It turns out that Lasers and Feelings is a silly, silly game (at least, if played with the right people)
 
Ben
Ben
Speedrunners are so twitchy. When they have to wait for 30 seconds for the NPC to catch up, they're just jumping on things
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben Gotta keep that APM up.
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Miniman the sad thing is the ones that are tool assisted and still dance while waiting that 30 seconds.
 
nitsua60
nitsua60
Night, all!
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
'night!
 
trogdor
trogdor
3:05 AM
@JoelHarmon I second this,
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@trogdor I DM'd my first game of it recently
 
trogdor
trogdor
we had a game where my character ended up causing a huge zombie disaster and fleeing from his own people in a ship he ripped in half
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
Nice.
 
trogdor
trogdor
I had origionally intended him to just be like, mildly silly but competent
but the rest of the group steered it in an entirely more dramatic direction XD
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Rule #1 of zombie hordes: What's worse than a horde of zombies? A flaming horde of zombies.
 
trogdor
trogdor
3:07 AM
@Ben the good news is, if you can get away there will likely be fewer zombies later
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@trogdor We went from "Darcy is in the only medical pod" to "space priates" to "well, there were other medical pods, but they got converted into space stills". They then traded the pirates hooch for information, then blew everyone up.
 
Ben
Ben
My DH games always went like that. "What does this button do?"
"You just disabled the warp shield and now your ship has been flooded with demons"
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
I actually do cherish the fact that my group often steers things in directions I wouldn't normally think to go
 
Ben
Ben
Or "Ok... just need to reconnect the power to the outlet socket and..."
[Power cuts out] "Congratulations. You are now floating in the vacuum of space."
 
trogdor
trogdor
it is hard for me to put my foot down on some things though
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
3:09 AM
@trogdor I actually liked the book World War Z, in part for its description of certain weapons as used against zombies. The best way to kill them was a head shot. Any kind of explosive might leave behind an immobile and hidden, but still dangerous, zombie. The upright ones were much easier to deal with.
 
Ben
Ben
@JoelHarmon This is a very important thing to remember
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben DO NOT! under any circumstances get rid of those. I once made that mistake and ran out of ridgewood while fighting 2 behemoths
 
trogdor
trogdor
@JoelHarmon I suppose the issue was that if you were running from a horde you couldn't look carefully enough to watch for one on the ground in shady or otherwise hideable areas
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 Oh, yes I know that much. I just have 3 slots of ridgewood, so I can't pick up other things. I do intend on keeping at least 1 full stack at any given time though
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@trogdor The weirder part of our game involved the two Aliens being half-narwhal half-siblings. Asking which half was narwhal is apparently extremely rude. Another character ended up becoming middle-half narwhal. In a surprise twist, the Android turned out to be a cyborg who was trying to replace his narwhal parts with machines.
Suffice to say, my friends are a bit weird.
 
trogdor
trogdor
3:13 AM
so are mine
we all, I am sure, have some weird ones
this hobby brings em out
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor The problem is that it takes quite a while for fire to kill a zombie. And so you've got a horde of flaming zombies chasing you, which is effectively nothing but a stinking fireball, setting things on fire, and choking the air with smoke
 
daze413
daze413
@Ben now, lenses, those are trow-able :p And also the bandit jewels, heck, I dont even loot bandits anymore. Not even the purple loot bandits
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@trogdor it'd probably be weird if we had so-called normal friends
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben this is fair
@JoelHarmon indeed
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@daze413 ... lensmen?
 
trogdor
trogdor
3:14 AM
one problem I have with zombies is that most media doesn't care to adress the fact that there would be an extremely short shelf life on them
 
daze413
daze413
@JoelHarmon nah, we're talking about Horizon Zero Dawn
 
Ben
Ben
@daze413 I'm starting to get to that point. My stash of shards is getting quite large so I don't really need to worry about special loot to sell
 
trogdor
trogdor
they are slowly rotting away, and also not healing even the most minor injuries
if they run, the strain on leg muscles alone should render them incapable of moving much at all after a little bit
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Yes. Effectively a zombie outbreak, if properly dealt with, would only last several weeks at best.
If they're dead though...
 
trogdor
trogdor
most of the time they are dead though
 
Ben
Ben
3:16 AM
If not... well then you've got problems
 
trogdor
trogdor
I can see it if they are a different kind of zombie, like fungus ones from that one game
oh, Last of Us or something like that
at least in that I could understand the problem
 
Ben
Ben
Yeah.. Parasite zombies are a whole other ball game
 
trogdor
trogdor
but yeah, my problem is more specifically with the literally undead ones
if it is a "sci fi" rather than "fantasy" setting, what is keeping them from being useless at hunting down the living after say, two weeks time or earlier?
the answer is, usually, hand-waving
which would almost be ok if the trope was not extremely played out
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor That reminds me... A "Lazy-Evil" character. We were discussing this theory in our last pre-game chat
 
trogdor
trogdor
what did it entail?
 
Ben
Ben
3:24 AM
[Draxor, the scourge of CoD goes and pillages a nearby village, but returns 5 minutes later]
Mum: "Did you kill *all* of the villagers?"
Draxor: "Yes!"
Mum: "So if I walk down there now, I won't find any survivors?"
Draxor: "Alright fine... I only killed half."
Mum: No Xbox until you kill all of them! And since you lied, you are going to go and buy milk and bread from the market too."
Draxor: "But Muuuum!!"
Mum: "No! No buts! Don't make me tell your father! Now go!"
Draxor: [Stamps out noisily] "I Hate you! You're the worst!"
 
Ben
Ben
3:39 AM
Is there such a thing as "elemental arrows" in D&D? Like fire arrows for example?
Has this already been asked
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben hehehe
if I only BURNINATED half the villagers, my mother would have ripped out all my scales :P
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor TROGDOOOOOR!! Burninating the countryside....
 
trogdor
trogdor
lol
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Ben which edition of D&D?
and would you count a bow that made arrows it shoots into flaming arrows, or not?
3.5 has both
 
Ben
Ben
@JoelHarmon 5e
I always forget that
@trogdor Well... wow I only just got that
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
3:48 AM
I'm looking, but off hand I'm pretty sure 5e mostly only has +1,2, or 3
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben hehehehe
 
Ben
Ben
@JoelHarmon Well that's no fun
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Ben depends on your definition of 'fun'.
 
Ben
Ben
@JoelHarmon Setting people on fire with arrows
I find the double-reaction of "Ah! I've been shot!" and "AHH! I'M ON FIRE!" quite enjoyable
 
trogdor
trogdor
fire is usually enough for me
I have such simple tastes
 
Ben
Ben
3:52 AM
Dart guns are ok too...
@trogdor The only problem is that not all of us have the Burninate ability
 
trogdor
trogdor
I can see it not being enough in that case
 
Ben
Ben
In which case I re-state the double reaction ting is quite enjoyable.
Watching someone go from "Ahh... I've been shot... It hurts... Woe is me..." to "OH GOD FIRE! FIREFIREFIIIIIRREEEEEEE!" in the space of a few seconds is quite fun
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
@Ben For bows, I don't see anything other than the Oathbow and generic any-weapon-may-apply stuff like +1/2/3 (weapon or ammunition) and Vicious
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben There's spells for it, does that count?
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Mrr... I was thinking for a fighter. So not so much
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
4:03 AM
@Ben fighters can cast spells
 
Ben
Ben
@JoelHarmon With the right archetype, sure.
But I was thinking either champion or... um... the other one...
 
Joel Harmon
Joel Harmon
alternately, take Magic Initiate and pick up Flame Bolt, and flavor it as shooting arrows (DM permission applies here)
Battlemaster
 
Ben
Ben
Yis. that one
@JoelHarmon Actually, that could work well enough
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben If you have a wizard, sorcerer, druid, or (eventually) ranger in the party, they can make you a quiver of flame arrows for you to fire at your leisure.
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Could alchemy work into it?
 
Miniman
Miniman
4:08 AM
@Ben That's between you and your DM.
 
Ben
Ben
Ok
 
Miniman
Miniman
Although you can certainly throw alchemist's fire at your enemies.
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman I really like the idea of "tool-based magic"
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben There's a UA for Artificer that you might be interested in.
 
Ben
Ben
How freely (in your experience) do people generally use UA stuff?
"Before Beyoncé was rich, she freely gave away a large sum of money to a boy that is now twice her age, to buy a toy that he himself came up with"
 
Miniman
Miniman
4:18 AM
@Ben At my tables, I've always said open season, just check with me first. And none of my players have ever wanted to. Another group I'm playing in, a character wanted to use the Raven Queen patron, GM said sure, no problem. Another group I'm playing in, GM encouraged a player to use Matt Mercer's Gunslinger and another player to use a homebrew Shifter Druid. Neither of which are actually UA, of course.
 
Ben
Ben
Fair enough.
 
trogdor
trogdor
@Ben XD this is hilarious
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben So I guess, to summarise, in my experience/estimation, as long as you check first, the GM will probably be OK with it.
Unless it's ridiculously overpowered, which some of the UA stuff definitely is.
 
trogdor
trogdor
I was all like, yep this definitely checks out, George Lucas definitely looks 10 years younger than Beyonce,... XD
 
Miniman
Miniman
(Artificer isn't, though.)
 
trogdor
trogdor
4:21 AM
and there were also certainly Darth Vader Toys when he was a kid, yep
maybe the real story is that she has time travel powers
 
Ben
Ben
@Miniman Alrighty. Definitely going to keep this in mind for my next Character :)
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Ben Nice! There's some really cool UA stuff, it's definitely worth trawling through if you're ever bored and in the mood.
(There's also some hideously overpowered stuff, some ludicrously underpowered stuff, some really boring stuff, and some downright broken stuff, so don't go in expecting it to be all sunshine and happiness.)
 
Ben
Ben
Hahaha I'll keep that in mind
 
trogdor
trogdor
ah, D&D, once again I remember why I don't use it as my main system anymore
 
Miniman
Miniman
@trogdor See, I understand those arguments. But when you get right down to it, I'm a gamer at heart, not a storyteller, a roleplayer, or anything else.
3
 
trogdor
trogdor
4:28 AM
that is all fair
 
Miniman
Miniman
I wanted to like Fate, really I did. I just could not get into it at all.
 
trogdor
trogdor
also, if I had a group that still wanted to play 4E, I would totally do that
it is the best version of D&D that exists for my tastes
I am quite sure of this just based off of descriptions of the editions I have not played
 
Miniman
Miniman
@trogdor It sounds like my sort of thing, too - I'm a little sad I missed it.
 
trogdor
trogdor
I do still want to try 5E once, but I have all the doubts that I would like it
@Miniman it's missing a lot of the stuff that I disliked about 3.5
and to think, at first, I was afraid I would miss 3.5
but I do not at this point at all miss 3.5, if I played D&D 4E would be the one and only edition for me
 
Miniman
Miniman
I miss 3.5 a lot :(
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
4:31 AM
4e is the one version that I haven't tried (other than the Facebook game that was 4e-based, but I don't think that really counts)
I don't miss 3.5, because I'm still playing it...
 
trogdor
trogdor
I do wish more people had tried 4E out
apparently one reason was that it was not enough like 3.5
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Adeptus My problem is, I can't run it, and honestly don't really want to, but it's hard to find existing groups.
 
trogdor
trogdor
which I hear is typical of every new edition, "not enough like the last one"
 
Ben
Ben
Oh, btw @trogdor. In H0D on the map in the bottom left corner... there's what looks like a giant dead machine. Is that story related...?
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
@trogdor From what I know of it, it was very different to any other version. And 5e is more like 2e/3e, with just a few ideas from 4e
 
trogdor
trogdor
4:33 AM
I do get it if some people are turned off by the power system, but honestly it cuts out the imbalance 3.5 had that I hated
@Ben yeeeeeessssssss
 
Ben
Ben
@trogdor Ok. I do not look forward to that then haha
 
trogdor
trogdor
hehehehehehehe
@Adeptus it is yeah, it has it's problems, but they are not the same problems other editions had
almost every class is equal capable of being broken in some way. that being said, we ran into issues with the PC's being too strong for standard monsters of their level at higher levels
at least with power gamers at the table
with people new to RPGs it might not have actually been as much of an issue
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
@Miniman I prefer to play. I'm running one game and playing another. (Can't run it? Rubbish. If you know the rules reasonably well, and can either find or write an adventure, you can run it. Don't want to, fine. But if you wanted to, you could.)
 
Miniman
Miniman
@Adeptus You're probably right. I'll amend my previous statement: "There are many factors which make running a game of 3.5 prohibitively more work than I'm willing to accept."
 
Adeptus
Adeptus
Fair enough
The game I'm playing in is winding up soonish, so I'm considering trying to run Dungeon World for that group. There's 7 players though... a bit more than recommended. Does anyone have experience running DW for a group that large?
 
 
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The Oracle
The Oracle
9:23 AM
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Q: What to do with the Pathfinder question about tier fixedness?

Anne AunymeI am talking about this question: Why do the tiers of classes change so little regardless of what additional material is used. I am aware that it already generated another meta question here, but my question is about what to do with this specific question and not about which political direction t...

discussion specific-question
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
9:49 AM
@doppelgreener: I don't really understand your new title, what do you mean by "tier fixedness"?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
@AnneAunyme the tiers don't seem to change over the course of the game's material; they appear fixed, they have fixedness.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
I'm not a native English speaker, so if that's a common formulation I'm sorry
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
that's fine. it's an unusual formulation.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
anyway, i finished my edit, does your comment still hold?
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I mainly just wanted to revise it to be more specific than "What do we do with this question?" since several such questions in meta search will be hard to sort through at a later date.
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
9:54 AM
I understand that
i appreciate that you edited it
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
thanks :)
 
Anne Aunyme
Anne Aunyme
And I didn't knew about the term "loaded question", that is exactly what I wanted to say!
 
doppelgreener
doppelgreener
I was wondering if one of those might be what you were going for. :D
 
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