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9:00 PM
What was he doing that high up free-climbing without a good climb check?
 
I would like a wild magic divine caster just to see the shenanigans of surging on Raise Dead.
 
Raise the guy and his family for 3 generations
 
I'm guessing you'll end up with an accidental reincarnate
 
Reverse Familicide?
 
Raise Dead but your target is 20th level for a day.
 
9:02 PM
while(true){this=this.parent();this.raise();}
 
Although accidentally raising them and the majority of their ancestors into the one body you have might also be fun.
 
@godskook He had a good climb check. His was the second best dex in the party. DM said "only way you don't make the climb is to roll a 1.
And then ... he rolled a 1.
 
Or accidentally resurrecting everything eligible in a 30ft radius.
 
@KorvinStarmast I forgot the primary ended today
 
Ah, the classic crit fail on skill check houserule.
 
9:03 PM
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@Yuuki Yeah
 
that sounds like something out of DCC.
 
(Also, if he couldn't fail except for crit, why not take 10?)
 
@KorvinStarmast, though shalt not free climb if you can fail on a 1.
 
DnD5e, there is no take 10, and I don't think the DM expected it.
 
9:03 PM
i believe that's 5ed?
 
Nobody expects to roll a 1. Except me, when I roll for random encounters.
 
I asked him, after the fact, why he had not given himself bardic inspiration. :-)
 
It wouldnt make a good story
 
@ShadowKras Hmm, sounds like a comment Elan might make ... ;-)
 
3.PF and 5e need a sentence on creating your own monster that says "You don't need to design them like characters; just put the derived values down and you're gold."
 
9:05 PM
@WrongOnTheInternet you can always do that.
Guidelines are for people without guidance.
 
@ShadowKras That advice isn't for me, though. It's for new DMs who need to make sense of a million new tools.
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A: How much can I customize enemies in a D&D game?

IcyfireThe books leave it up to you. DMG 273-279 contains information for building monsters. The section opens with: The Monster Manual contains hundreds of ready-to-play monsters, but it doesn't include every monster that you can imagine. Part of the D&D experience is the simple joy of creating n...

This answer and the linked article made me think of that.
 
talking about MM, has anyone checked out the Tome of beasts for 5ed?
 
Third Party?
 
yup
 
@ShadowKras I was actually curious about that book too, anyone know if it offers a lot of new interesting monsters?
 
9:12 PM
@KumosAgosta i have only flipped through, but i saw lots of good concepts
 
@ShadowKras Bought it. I haven't used it a ton, but I really love it
It's freaking huge
Bigger than the MM and Volo's put together
 
kobold press material is usually pretty good.
 
I might have to check that one out then, I love looking monster manuals. I just bought Tales from the Yawning Portal though, so maybe I'll wait until next paycheck..
 
9:28 PM
Tome is very cool. Some Nasty nasties.
 
After the fiend folio came out in AD&D 1 era, my taste for "ever more monsters" was somewhat dampened. A few hits, a lot of misses in that one.
I also had the old Arduin Grimoire, which had some neat stuff but also a lot of "uh, what?" stuff in it.
 
@KorvinStarmast I felt the same on the latest Pathfinder Bestiary, lots of neat monsters but a few that were a little ridiculous.
 
So I'm thinking about building a batman-esque character, I've decided Thief/Shadow Monk is a decent way to go, but I was wondering how you would put "Armor" on a monk and not hurt his unarmored movement
Like Costume style armor
Is that possible?
 
@Skathix Why not? Just have it be mechanically clothing.
 
@Skathix Anything is possible as long as the DM is cool with it.
 
9:40 PM
Cool
 
D&D 3.5 had something called... twistcloth, maybe? It was armor that gave a miss chance because instead of resisting attacks, it twisted and billowed so they'd be attacking where you weren't.
That's Batman's cape if anything is.
I think it was in the gnome section of Races of Stone.
 
@BESW No, Batman would be developing bulletproof armor that also sucks against knife attacks.
 
@BESW Sounds a bit like a displacer cloak
 
The trick with this kind of character design is that D&D is built with different priorities and restrictions than a comic book, cartoon show, or film--and it's predicated on a certain amount of necessary random failure, which doesn't fit well with a concept like Batman.
So I'd suggest working backwards from personal first principles:
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A: Character build for Gandalf in D&D3.5?

BESWBuild him by feel SevenSidedDie has an excellent answer about why there's no definitive Gandalf build, but I think we can talk constructively about how to go creating a Gandalf build. You want to "recreate Gandalf from the books" "in D&D3.5 terms." You can't, not precisely. D&D isn't a good fit...

My personal Batman would probably be a ninja chessmaster; Frank Miller's is a gadget-laden determinator; Adam West's is a charismatic detective. D&D would represent each completely differently.
 
9:59 PM
> MS Paint is one of the best photo editing programs out there!
> I'll agree with most of what you're saying, MS Paint is definitely one of the photo editing programs out there.
@BESW The modern Batman fanboy's Batman would be a literal Deus ex Machina.
 
Hi hi.
 
Which is something D&D cannot provide; the d20 demands random failure.
@JuneShores Heyo.
 
This is part of why I greatly... dislike d20 derived superhero games. The swinginess and random failure of the system just doesn't mesh with the genre.
 
I'd probably play an Adam West Batman in Gumshoe.
Bat Shark Repellent is a point spend out of the Resources ability: you simply declare you have the thing.
 
Ooh, that sounds like it would fit most of Batman really well.
 
10:04 PM
@JuneShores I have sorta started to dislike using D20s at all
 
And of course, the central conceit of Gumshoe is that if you have the right skill and are looking in the right place, you get the clue you need.
 
@BESW this is basically what I hate about D20s in a nutshell yeah
 
@trogdor Random failure? A game isn't interesting without the chance to fail.
 
The d20 requires a snackrifice! Feed it your pride, your plans, your statistics, your hopes and dreams for a campaign with character continuity. The d20 must be sated.
@Yuuki Sure, but there's a difference.
 
And if you prefer failure by DM fiat, that's still arbitrary failure.
 
10:07 PM
@Yuuki but the D20 is basically a symbol to me of too much random failure
 
Not all failure is created equal.
 
and the key word there is random
@Yuuki that isn't actually what I prefer, and it isn't what Fate provides
 
For example, Fate gives you the resources to succeed on MOST of your efforts, but you get to choose which things you succeed at, or at what cost.
Failure is still very much a part of the game, but often you've chosen to fail now to get the tools for success later, or to succeed at a price (which is often even more interesting!).
Pilgrims of the Flying Temple offers choices about immediate success at the cost of increasing the likelihood you'll fail at the ultimate goal, with that choice ALSO influencing the direction your character develops independent of success or failure.
Having choices about failure makes our games much more fun than just wondering when the d20 will decide we choke on a pretzel.
 
Interesting tangent, I played an eating contest earlier this week (as part of a festival of skill event) and I did in fact choke on a pretzel.
It was a pretzel made from various disgusting monster parts (and therefore the reason for the CON save), but a pretzel nonetheless.
(Note, you don't want to consume shambling mound spread)
 
I actually really like the way Fate does failure (and it's pretty much the only thing I like about it)
D&D is great when you're winning but it does not handle losing at all
By the time PCs realize they're losing, it's too late and the monsters eat them
 
10:14 PM
This was fun once or twice, but it got old fast when we were trying to tell long-form coherent stories.
 
And a lot of DMs don't really understad that, and then they whinge about their PCs never running from a battle...well it's kind of hard to run when the party fighter has a 15ft movement rate and the monster he's fighting has 20ft reach
 
that to me is the fault of killbot monsters
 
@BESW Gandalf's something like a Solar ...
 
hey @KorvinStarmast
 
Hey Shal, thanks for the tip, looks like that "slide" was helpful. :) Of course, I also got all grumpy with a few people talking rubbish about FBW ... should not post late at night.
 
10:18 PM
@KorvinStarmast Free Buttered Waffles?
I'd be upset if people were trash-talking that too.
 
@BESW Over at Aviation.SE, Fly By Wire and Helicopters. There are a few dead bodies related to that fusion and I don't like how people think how "easy" any of all that is.
 
@KorvinStarmast FBW is waaaay harder than it looks, that's for sure
 
@Shalvenay as are control channel coupling in rotary wing, by orders of magnitude
 
I suspect there are still traps lurking in both the Airbus and Boeing FBW implementations
 
@Shalvenay The 525 that crashed, and the AW609 that went divergent, not to mention Boeing AB FBW ... dead bodies everywhere.
 
10:20 PM
> I have met exactly one person who I was sure knew what they were doing. After getting to know her better, I found out she knew exactly what she was doing in one specific area of her life, and had panic attacks trying to navigate the rest.

> The fact that she was in her late fifties and was my college professor did not improve this realization.
 
@Yuuki I am in my late 50's and frequently have no idea wtf I am doing. Is that helpful to know? :)
 
@KorvinStarmast yeah, tiltrotors just add icing on the cake
 
@Shalvenay V-22 is FBW, and over a long and difficult development path, are now stable and mature tech. V-280 excites me, as it's the next generation.
 
I think the moment I become an adult is when this happens:
> Every once in a while, I look around my apartment and remember that the only thing keeping a roof over my head is my own continued effort. It's weird.
 
@yuuki SOme days that's what it takes to get out of the door and get to work. Still.
 
10:24 PM
@KorvinStarmast yeah. what interests me in helicopter controls is the other end -- is it possible to make a helicopter that's naturally stable enough to fly IFR without any stability augmentation?
 
@KorvinStarmast V-280??! And I thought that a V-12 engine was overkill. How huge must that thing BE?
 
@Shalvenay I did it boost off in an SH-2F, and in a huey. Not sure about yoru question
@Karelzarath It's the next best idea in replacing a Black Hawk with a smaller Tilt Rotor. Go to Bell's site, it's a cool tech, first flight this September. No, I don't work for bell
 
@KorvinStarmast my understanding is that stability augmentation is required for helicopter IFR flight
 
Heh, my friend, I learned to fly in IFR in helos before all them fancy FAA rules.
SAS was NOT required, and it's only a CERT requirement. In degraded modes, you still have to have good skills and you can still do it.
 
ah
which one was the easier one to do it in, btw? (I'd think it'd be the SH-2 as the synchropter design is more stable in general AIUI, but I want to hear your take)
 
10:28 PM
@Shalvenay The navy got a waiver for TH-57 and now it is biting them in the butt as they try to replace it.. The cert is expensive.
SH-2F is not a synchro copter. Standard four bladed fully articulated head
 
oh!
interesting that Kaman had a conventional design in their line as well
 
It's ASE had some heading and alt hold modes, so there was a sort of autopilot. GOOD instrument bird. Flew in some real crap in that bird and it did fine. Not as fancy as Sea Hawk, but a good instrument bird.
SH-2F needed NO hydraulics due to servo flap design.
 
a-ha -- it was the servo flaps I was thinking of
 
But taht was trickier flying on instruments and onto ships at night.
 
@KorvinStarmast and yeah -- IFR on a helicopter is a far bigger cert package than IFR on a fixed wing plane
it'll be interesting to see how the S-92 RIPS does though -- FIKI is the last frontier for rotary wing flight
 
10:33 PM
I keep reading up on the S-92 crash in Ireland. A fully IFR cert bird WITH radar and it still hit a rock in the ocean. Troubling accident.
I could fly into known icing in a seahawk in the 90's if my deice worked. but not in heavy.
 
11:01 PM
For reasons, the druid in my DW game is going to summon a spirit of fire in the next session in order to give a species of artifically created infertile tiny newts the ability to procreate. This is gonna be interesting.
 
11:14 PM
Sounds about right for a Moffatty Doctor Who game.
 
@ACuriousMind xD that is going to be...interesting indeed
 
11:33 PM
@Yuuki agreeing with @KorvinStarmast I'm in my early 40s and Ive never really known exactly what I'm doing.
Living is a mix of experience, luck, and trusting the direction you've pointed yourself in (as long as it's not negative).
 
@NautArch Yeah, same here. The trick is to fake confidence and hope you can course correct on the way.
 
hey there @Karelzarath and @NautArch
 
@Karelzarath exactly! I forgot ability to improvise. Which is the end result of the other pillars.
 
@Shalvenay Yo!
 
Howdy @Shalvenay
 
11:36 PM
how're things going?
 
"Adult" is an experience, not a quality.
 
11:54 PM
@BESW The "entertainment" industry would claim otherwise.
 

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