Vyxal

Vyxal Bot

01:40

Steffan153 created branch Vyxal/groupby

Steffan153 opened PR #1052 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:groupby → Vyxal:main): Fix group by

Lyxal approved on PR #1052 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Vyxal Bot

02:43

Seggan requested changes on PR #4 (Vyxal/Myxal)

lyxal

Imagine only being on item 4 smh :p

emanresu A

03:04

lol

Seggan

03:15

im not usually on this late, staying up for meteor shower

lyxal

Tf you mean "meteor shower"? What kind of plumbing do you have?

Why would you want to clean yourself with hot rocks?

Doesn't make sense I say!

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why would you ever not clean yourself with hot rocks

Seggan

^ kills all the germs

Seggan

03:36

got something similar to vyxal for testing: TestHelper.assertTopEquals("@[1|2|3@]", "[1|2|3]")

lyxal

ooh nice

maybe github actions can automate the tests then

Seggan

and yes, i have list open/close digraphs :P

lyxal

nothing wrong with that - #[ and #] in v3

and #>, #< for variables in v3

that allows ⟨⟩→← to be deleted from the non-SBCS codepage, meaning it'd be a 252-character-set

Seggan

you have 2 codepages...?

lyxal

17 hours ago, by lyxal

Maybe we delete 2-5 characters from the code page and use EmanresuA's idea

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03:41

i think he just means the codepage is no longer an sbcs

lyxal

^

16 hours ago, by lyxal

What if the normal SBCS version gets compiled to a bytestring?

Seggan

read ^ discussion, makes no sense to me

lyxal

Jan 20 at 4:08, by emanresu A

Cursed idea: Have a 255-byte codepage so where we normally would tie, we score slightly less

in The Nineteenth Byte, Jan 20 at 4:29, by emanresu A

2 hours ago, by Bubbler

A bit, a trit, ... has information density of 1 bit, log3/log2 bits, ... so having a cell that can store > 256 states will cost more than a byte

in The Nineteenth Byte, Jan 20 at 4:29, by emanresu A

So having a cell that can store less than 256 states will cost less than a byte

in The Nineteenth Byte, Jan 20 at 4:57, by ta Radvylf srik su shilani

-0.006 bytes thanks to @emanresuA

that's the context

basically, it's a way to go fractional while maintaining a SBCS option

fractional byte counts would be opt-in instead of opt-out

which tbh is how it should be done

Seggan

so part of the codepage would be fractional?

lyxal

the way bytes are stored internally would be fractional

so each character would be 252/256th of a byte

So something that was previously 11 bytes might be 10.828125 bytes instead

that should be enough to stay competitive with any future fractional byte language

emanresu A

03:48

But it would also make everyone hate us

Which is why it was a joke

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lyxal

4 mins ago, by lyxal

fractional byte counts would be opt-in instead of opt-out

meaning you'd use it only if there were other fractional byte counts in play

@emanresuA but it does make for good future-proofing though

emanresu A

The only thing it’ll have an edge over will be non-fractional langs

Whose use will hate us

lyxal

so then how could it be made to have an edge over fractional langs

we have the chance to collectively innovate the next generation of golfing, so why not take it?

Seggan

ah i get it

Vyxal Bot

04:16

Seggan approved on PR #1052 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

Vyxal Bot

05:16

Lyxal merged PR #1052 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:groupby → Vyxal:main): Fix group by

Lyxal deleted branch Vyxal/groupby

lyxal

10:30

CMQ: What is your least favourite thing about Vyxal (the language), and what would you do to change/improve it?

emanresu A

The lack of certain useful builtins, and the existence of others

lyxal

Which ones are lacking?

emanresu A

The only one I can think of right now is vL as a single byte

lyxal

12:55

lyxal

13:18

the core functions list now has 317 items

come forth and either a) add more, b) identify duplicates or c) leave feedback as to why some of the things there are stupid or horrible

because there's a non-zero chance some of the things I added are not very good for golf

Seggan

14:19

reject by element is basically an inverse filter?

lyxal

that's right

the opposite of '...; currently

except it's a modifier too

Seggan

like ~

lyxal

yeah

like ~

mathcat

V3 Element suggestion: camelCase

is it an element worthy enough?

lyxal

digraph probably

mathcat

14:35

ok

Seggan

whats monadic min/max?

as in min/max of a list?

mathcat

but isn't that normal min, max?

Seggan

also negated filter. isnt it the same as reject by element

user

@lyxal Regarding #312 ([[a, item] for item in b]), there could instead be a more general pair element that vectorizes

And also a paior element that doesn't vectorize, although I suspect that's already on the list

The folds and scans need multidimensional versions. There should also be reduces like that

@lyxal I'm shopping around for more lightweight libraries for symbolic math than galileo and symja. What's the least amount of symbolic math Vyxal needs to support?

Is it just solving polynomials and finding derivatives of polynomials?

Because Spire looks really nice but it doesn't really do symbolic math

index.scala-lang.org/awesome/…

If it's just linear and quadratic stuff, Optimus can handle that

mathcat

15:05

@user Does this example try to find x and y satisfying the equation -2x + 5x with 100 < x < 200 and 80 < y < 170?

wait

no

not like that

user

It maximizes -2x+5y given the constraint y>=-x+200

mathcat

ah

and add(y >:= -x + 200)?

user

That is the constraint y>=-x+20

mathcat

oh, then what are 100, 200 and 80, 170?

user

@mathcat I guess those are what you said here, 100 < x < 200 and 80 < y < 170

mathcat

15:08

nice

PyGamer0

15:19

@user just make a symbolic math library on top of that ez

user

Yeah I honestly considered that

PyGamer0

oh lol

user

Spire does have stuff to find roots of polynomials

Only thing is that solving equations and integrating stuff is really hard

But idk if Vyxal even needs that

No golfing language other than maybe MATL would even have anything like that

Spire can even find derivatives of polynomials

The more I look at it the more I like it

Docs are here if you want to take a look

mathcat

You can use java modules is scala, right?

user

Not in Scala.JS :(

Which is why using Symja and Galileo will be problematic - both are compiled into JVM bytecode rn

PyGamer0

15:28

@user looks good

user

We can fork Galileo and make it target JS, of course

mathcat

@user oh

user

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CMP: What math features does Vyxal need?

- Integration of arbitrary expressions? Integration of just polynomials?
- Derivatives of arbitrary expressions? Derivatives of just polynomials?
- Solving arbitrary systems of equations? Solving systems of equations with just polynomials?
- Solving nonlinear systems of differential equations? Solving just systems of linear differential equations?

Vyxal Bot

15:50

Seggan approved on PR #4 (Vyxal/Myxal)

PyGamer0

afaik just solving eqautions and roots of a polynomial

Vyxal Bot

Seggan merged PR #4 (Vyxal/Myxal) (Vyxal:dyad-no-stack → Vyxal:main): Add specific code for dyads to take 2 args instead of stack

cgccuser deleted branch Myxal/dyad-no-stack

user

Thanks

Seggan

16:02

thank you

Seggan

17:22

also i just realized vyxal is not this: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6918/…

mathcat

I read that as "What programming languages have been created by CGCC user?"

I didn't know user was that popular

user

17:48

@Seggan Vyxal isn't a programming language created by a CGCC user?

Seggan

yes it is

lyxal

user

> i just realized vyxal is not this

I'm having trouble interpreting that

Seggan

i meant in this

user

Oh ok

Seggan

too late to edit oof

user

17:54

You could post it then

Or have @lyxal do it

Seggan

well lyxal created it soo

Steffan

23:21

!!/prod

!!/status

@hyper-neutrino Bot dead, again.

Vyxal Bot

Steffan153 opened PR #1053 (Vyxal/Vyxal) (Vyxal:main → Vyxal:production): Update Production (5/31/2022)

Vyxal Bot

23:48

cgccuser approved on PR #1053 (Vyxal/Vyxal)

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