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18:57
Someone's argument against covid vaccine-"The tests fro these vaccines have been done in relatively less number of people and also the people selected for these tests aren't from all over the world. Also, errors may have occurred due to these vaccines being made in a short span of time. So, I will wait another year to take the vaccine."
What can be said against this?
19:30
Vaccine has 1% chance of doing something negative and 90% chance of preventing damage from virus

Coronavirus has 10% chance of doing something negative to you

Choice 1 is always the choice. The numbers are different but the end result is the same by a wide margin
If the person is empathic enough you can also try explaining why herd immunity is important
But honestly people spreading vaccine FUD are usually not the empathic kind.
 
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21:38
@NautArch These are quite lofty numbers. Where are they from?
I would dispute this article of faith quite strongly as unfounded.
You know the difference between relative and absolute risk reduction?
The funny thing here is:
Just like Covid-deaths are always listed as 'with' 'and therefore of' Coronavirus, co-morbitites ignored, emphasizing that every single last one life counts and needs to be saved…
Vaccine deaths are always 'after vaccination' but 'surely unrelated', as co-morbitites are always strongly emphasiszed, and those now numbering thousands of deaths are somehow acceptable.
From the still ongoing phase3 trial data, supplemented with the hnman experimentation results by mass-rollout, we get the effectiveness numbers of. like, '95%' (Pfizer), 94, 79 etc.
But the crux there is that you see only a relative risk reduction.
For the same data you can read the same calculations, but for absolute risk reduction, and arrive at a very pitty 0.7% absolute risk reduction in case of the Pfizer product.
That is abysmally bad?
Corona Cov2 is a very common virus, but Covid19 a rare disease leading seldom to death.
The prevalence is overall low and the mortality in the usual ILI/flu ballpark. That's bad enough already, but nowhere nearly as bad as the panic producers and fear pornographers make it out to be (and we probably all thought/expected 13 months ago)
Now look at the phrasing for vaccine complications.
Those have *very* high adverse events numbers. Much higher than previously thought acceptable for any other vaccine.
Those blood clots for exampe are "rare".
Which they are indeed in absolute terms.
But what about the analogous case for 'vaccine effectiveness' – the *relative* risk increase?
That is one very tough calculation to make.
Ethically.
Vaccines are no magic bullet either and unfounded blind belief in phamra products is just naively dangerous.
The real risks from Coronavirus is age-stratified. Strongly so.
That skews the cost/benefit calcualtion. A lot.
All current vaccines have very high side effects ratios. Compared to other vaccinbes. And compared to the illness. WHere we need to differentiate between virus-contact, and getting ill.
But Corona has only a large impact in old, obese, male, multimorbid and so on demographics.
So, additionally, Corona is better studied than the vaccines.
We know the risk from Corona for very young people is miniscule. If they get it!
We know the risk from the jabs for very young people is quite high for a iatrogneic action, *and they are all suposed to get jabbed.
The Norwegian Health authorities have already correctly concluded: the risk for the young from the vaccine is already bigger than from any illness.
In short: demands for any 'herd immunity' for this remporarry at best protection through current vaccines to mean to include younf people, pregnat women, children are horrendously primitive calls from believers without any real base to argue for.
That presents an ethical dilemma.
> […] the risk of dying after vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine would be higher than the risk of dying from the disease, particularly for younger people,[…]
A rational response to a virus is not just shooting up anything in everyone.
22:19
mhmm

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