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12:00 AM
@Randal'Thor :( Y'all crazy.
 
There's a hotly-contested theory that certain forms of modern rural American Southern dialect are the closest living sound to Shakespeare's English.
 
@Catija Well, you live in Texas :-P
 
@Randal'Thor offense taken at your usage of "offence"
 
@Randal'Thor So? I've only lived here for half my life... I even lived in the UK for 9 months.
 
lol
only half
 
12:08 AM
@Catija I guess you hear "y'all" a lot more than I do.
 
@Riker Considering the average person has lived in the same state their entire life, that's actually notable.
 
@Catija Really? I thought Americans tended to move around a lot more.
 
@Randal'Thor that is correct
source: have been to 30 states and stayed in 18 for a week or more
 
Huh? One person doing something doesn't mean that your life can be used as a model for all Americans...
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12:23 AM
@Catija everybody I know has been to at least 1 non-CA state
 
Perhaps, as a Person Who Is Well-Traveled, that makes your available experience of Other People biased towards the Well-Traveled?
 
other than the caps that makes sense
 
> They're caps. I wear a cap now. Caps are cool.
 
seems legit
 
@NapoleonWilson I went to dinner. Clearly they didn't want me to miss anything.
 
12:32 AM
Like, I went to college in the mainland US. The people I met through that context tended to be moderately well-traveled. But when I went into the town or to the nearby vacation city, the traveledness of locals dropped dramatically.
(But obviously, the vacation city was also crammed with people who were there only because they were Travelers. At least, during the right seasons.)
At home we've got three kinds of traveled folks: those who have never left the island, those who have only traveled between this island and their home island, and those who have traveled pretty extensively--probably to two different continents.
 
@HDE226868 do you want me to answer with dorwinion to your rhun Q?
 
@Riker If you can come up with something a bit more substantial to back it up. I've done some reading, and I don't think the evidence points one way or another, especially that both its location and occupants are somewhat unknown. It's also possible that Sindarin was brought there by Elves but just used by Men or whoever lived there.
 
hm, okay
it's pretty clear dorwinion is in rhun, however it's on the western edge as far as I can tell
 
@Riker Been to is not the same as lived in. Just because someone has visited another state for a day or week doesn't mean that they've lived outside their home state.
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12:48 AM
It's discussions like this which make me appreciate our local dialect's ability to differentiate between concepts like where you live and where you stay.
 
1:27 AM
@Randal'Thor So, this is how we begin reboot the saga.
 
@HDE226868 What do you think? Is it sufficiently detailed to set a good example?
 
@HDE226868 It seems like a good question.
 
@Randal'Thor Probably.
 
@HDE226868 It already began (as it should, I have to say) days ago with a question that was downvoted into deletion.
 
I will say, though, that I just checked Wikipedia, and the Dexter story is mentioned there.
 
1:28 AM
I have a [theory] question coming.
 
@NapoleonWilson Ah, right. That one.
 
To be honest, I probably could have found it myself. But I remembered enough about the story, without remembering exactly what it was, that I thought it'd be worth a question to test the ID waters.
@NapoleonWilson Do you happen to have a link to that question? I'm curious as to how bad it actually was.
 
@Randal'Thor It wasn't really that (comparatively) bad, if I remember correctly. But no, no links to deleted stuff.
It was looking for a comic, though, if that makes any difference (and I could imagine it makes at least a subjective difference).
It was also asked by a known ID-user, so it was probably even a practical question without any meta considerations.
 
Jan 19 at 4:07, by Hamlet
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This is an excellent answer.
 
1:43 AM
@Randal'Thor Part of me wonders if that's a case of Fleming - in his moral detour in the first paragraph - living (and expressing his beliefs) through his characters. Jack London, for one, seemed to do that a lot, and I'd bet it's actually reasonably common.
 
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Q: How can we draw meaning from works, if it was not intended by the author?

BenjaminWe had a conversation in chat about whether authors had definitive knowledge of the meaning of their works and the general consensus was that they don't. However, this would imply that a work as hidden meaning not intended by the author. How can we draw meaning from works, if it was not intended ...

Theory question!
 
@HDE226868 I forget - was Fleming in MI6 too, or am I getting mixed up with le Carre?
 
@Benjamin This is... basically asking to summarise the last fifty years of critical theory.
 
@Randal'Thor Military, I think. I don't know if it was MI6. It looks like he was in Naval Intelligence
 
@BESW Well, do you think it is a bad question?
 
1:46 AM
I think it's... going to require a LOT of frame challenge, because it comes from the attitude that an ideology is equivalent to a truth statement.
 
@BESW So, how should I (re)frame it?
 
That's useful to have on the site, but it's not gonna be easy to write or read.
 
@Randal'Thor How could I narrow it down to make it less broad?
 
Maybe do a little reading about The Death of the Author first.
 
@BESW I am reading that right now.
 
1:48 AM
@Benjamin I think BESW would probably be a better one to advise on that.
 
Chances are you'll wind up asking a number of different related questions, but not all at once.
'cause as is, you're begging the question "Does a work have a definitive meaning?" or "How do we know if an interpretation is right or wrong?"
 
@BESW I was thinking about those, but I thought those would straight up be closed as opinion-based.
 
They probably would... because this site doesn't seem to have a lot of experts in literary theory.
As a question of criticism and theory, those questions have complex, cogent answers.
 
@BESW However, do you think I could try asking them?
 
I think you should first do some cursory research of your own, then yes.
This short video touches on the idea of the purpose of a critical lens--and what a critical lens is not.
 
1:53 AM
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Q: Is this site focused on Literature Analysis or literature in general?

DVKThere seems to be two conflicting opinions about the purpose and scope of the site that I trace in Meta (and Area51) discussions and comments. Is this site focused on Literature Analysis as its primary purpose and scope? Or is it focused on any questions about literature, but Literature Analysi...

 
@Bookworm Good question.
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Q: How much of a role does authorial intent play in modern academic literary analysis?

BenjaminIn this question, I asked about how meaning gets into a work if not intended by the author. In researching that question, I ran across mention of "authorial intent". In reading about it, I learned that it went through phases of being very important to analysists and other phases where it did not ...

This question is more specific.
@BESW I have to go soon, but if you could leave some feedback that would be great.
 
Also, it may be useful to know that this is touching deeply on epistemological issues which most critical theorists are unaware of: the question of "How do we know things?" is one with cultural answers, not universal ones.
I'm heading out too. ttfn
 
Bye.
 
@Randal'Thor I'm not gonna shoot you. I'll just start pinging you with chat comments that have subtle grammarical and spellling errors.
 
@DVK-in-Florida *grammatical
:-P
 
2:08 AM
@Randal'Thor Q.E.C.</himarm>
 
Quod Erat Cemonstrandum? Queen's English Council? Quite Easily Criticised?
 
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A: Is this site focused on Literature Analysis or literature in general?

BenjaminThis is an issue of whether to be inclusive or to be exclusive because in my view to focus on literature is to include literary analysis, but to focus on literary analysis is to exclude much of literature. I believe that based off of the questions we have and it is my belief that is what should d...

 
@Randal'Thor And that, ladies and gentlement, is how you distract @Randal'Thor if you are worried he's writing and competing answer to your own.
 
I wrote up an answer.
 
@Riker Being ontopic and perfectly fine quality never stopped people from downvoting questions they personally disagree with (scope wise) on SFF. That was one of the reasons I found myself in Florida (aka semi-retired from the site). I was quite unhappy at the insufficient amount of "live and let live" approach overall, and this was a perfect example.
 
2:13 AM
@DVK-in-Florida Well, "perfectly fine quality" is subjective.
 
@Randal'Thor OK, let's rephrase that. "in no way, shape or form fitting into SE guidelines of what a question typically should be downvoted for".
 
And to some extent downvotes are supposed to be for questions one personally dislikes. That's why you don't have to give a reason for a DV, unlike a VTC. (I've written on this topic on various metas.)
 
@Randal'Thor Yes and no. You're allowed to downvote any dislike reason. However, it doesn't mean doing so is a good approach that's beneficial to the site, at all. All it does is drives people unhappy and/or away, generates strife, but in now way improves the site's overall quality.
 
True.
 
To reverse your famous Meta post, Downvotes are not mini-stealth-VTCs
 
2:18 AM
Nah, not mine. I swiped that title from Arqade or RPG meta.
 
@Riker Leaving aside the large scale truthiness of your comment, I fail to see why you found the specific comments on that specific question in any way objectionable. The user was being generous by (1) finding useful research someone can base the asnwer on and (2) Offering others to use it, instead of hoarding to get rep themselves. That's a commendable attitude on SE.
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Question: why can't I vote to close this question as a duplicate?
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Q: How much of a role does authorial intent play in modern academic literary analysis?

BenjaminIn this question, I asked about how meaning gets into a work if not intended by the author. In researching that question, I ran across mention of "authorial intent". In reading about it, I learned that it went through phases of being very important to analysists and other phases where it did not ...

 
@Hamlet For exactly the reason it tells you when trying to do so.
> This question does not have an upvoted or accepted answer
I know that sucks. I seriously hated that as a non-moderator and the only thing really left is a moderator flag in that case.
 
Only mods can close a question as a duplicate of an unanswered question.
 
@Randal'Thor oh. It's pretty much an exact duplicate, so I hope one of these questions get's marked as a duplicate
 
2:35 AM
@DVK-in-Florida that particular remark wasn't about that comment
but yeah I agree :/ sorry if I was being unnecessaryly rude
 
@Hamlet I flagged it for mods CMs.
 
@Randal'Thor thanks!
 
> Your powers are weak, old man.
 
@DVK-in-Florida Gandalf? Dumbledore? Obi-Wan?
 
@Randal'Thor Saruman in Grima's disguise, I'd rather say. But I might be wrong.
 
Or that.
And here I thought it was an on-topic quote. ;-)
 
chases Star Wars back to SFF with pitchforks
 
@NapoleonWilson books.google.com/…
@Randal'Thor There were no pitchforks in Star Wars. </Donkey>
 
> Alec Guinness is Alec Guinness. Why don't you take that stupid black mask off and show us who you really are?
Guy had a lip, and no mistake.
 
@DVK-in-Florida Yeah, besides that, movies will soon be as on-topic as indigenous pottery. ;-)
 
2:45 AM
Mr "fairy-tale rubbish"
 
@NapoleonWilson Screenplays or actual movies?
 
@DVK-in-Florida The latter, if some people are to be believed.
 
@NapoleonWilson ? Was there a Meta discussion I missed?
 
@DVK-in-Florida It was mentioned in passing a few times in chat and meta, here for example.
 
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A: Should interactive-fiction/visual-novels/gamebooks be considered on-topic?

EmrakulI'm going to play devils' advocate here. I'm not sure I believe my own argument, but it's one that I think is important to, at minimum, meaningfully represent. Literature was given the broadest possible scope at the outset, and it's our job to discover its boundaries. The default Tour really cap...

Ah, ninja'd :-)
 
2:52 AM
@Randal'Thor Wow! Vader is a liar too, not just Obi-Wan. "When we last met, I was but the learnder". NO! He was a Jedi Knight, skillful enough to be considered to be a Master (and denied for other reasons)
@Randal'Thor - Trolls in the dungeon HNQ!!! *faints*
 
@DVK-in-Florida ibid's comment nails it.
 
@Randal'Thor THe one that was flagged as not constructive?
 
@Randal'Thor Indubitably. I hate it that I was the one who proposed not denigrating any specific works on this site, without including that particular "masterpiece" as an explicit exception. Now I can't say what I want to without being a hypocrit
@Randal'Thor Himarm lost his "Shift" key
 
Did he ever have one?
 
You shouldn't be answering troll posts :-P — Rand al'Thor ♦ 3 mins ago
 
2:59 AM
@DVK-in-Florida Himarm never had a Shift key.
 
@Randal'Thor I'm usually too distracted by misspelling and misgrammar to notice.
Not that I should speak. Mine are atrocious, both spelling and grammar. I think I knew more English grammar when I stepped off the ship plane than now.
 
na bro lol :D !!! — Himarm Dec 10 '16 at 3:53
The Himarmiest Himarmism?
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Is "too chatty" a viable alternative to "unclear what you're commenting"?
 
"comparing the size of their clubs" - Just how did I miss that in PoA? Rule 34, dibs.
 
3:09 AM
@Randal'Thor yep
 
@NapoleonWilson "Not constructive."
@Hamlet The purpose of duplicate closing is to gather all the useful information in one place by re-directing other versions of the question to the one with the answers. So it's prevented if there's not yet any sense of which place will be the one that winds up with the good answers.
(Usually "the one with the good answers" is also the first one, but that's not always true and isn't actually part of the duplicate-close paradigm; it's just a common symptom of it.)
 
3:38 AM
is it just me or does main say 3 reviews but has none
 
Welcome to the wonderful world of the reviews bar. It's usually wrong.
There are three pending reviews but you've already completed them...
Or, at least that's my understanding of what it means.
 
3:55 AM
Yeah, it says how many reviews there are in total waiting to be resolved. Often they aren't all ones you can actually help resolve (or already have contributed to resolving), and those are hidden on the review page itself.
 
 
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5:09 AM
@BESW hm, they should prolly fix that
 
[digs through meta]
There's also this:
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A: Review-beta shows no suggested edits even though there are some

Shog9The new review queues are currently refreshed every 20 minutes. So there'll generally be a delay between something becoming eligible for review and actually showing up in the queue.

 
lol
@BESW hm okay
also woah shog has more rep than anybody else on meta.se
even jeff
 
5:56 AM
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Q: Can we make [moral] a synonym of [morality]?

fi12The morality is one I just created, and I think it's more of a complete thought than simply the moral? Can we make moral a synonym of morality? (There's only one question tagged moral.)

 
 
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7:23 AM
@Bookworm no, don't do that...
 
 
2 hours later…
8:57 AM
Morning
 
[wave]
Are you a Time Lord or an Outsider?
 
@BESW who's an Outsider?
 
Never gave it much thought.
 
9:13 AM
Stop serial upvoting me, whoever...
They'll be reversed...
 
@Mithrandir I upvoted two because I told I'd do so last evening
I think it's pretty obvious that I'm not your sock puppet, or neighbour
 
Just got votes on (1) (2) (3) (4)
@Gallifreyan I thank you.
 
Ok, 1, 4, 5, 6, are mine
I genuinely liked the answers though, especially 6
 
Thanks :D
 
If anyone bothers you, just link this
 
9:21 AM
:D
 
9:33 AM
Hello, would an identify-this-book question be fine for this stack?
 
user61230
@Gallifreyan @Mithrandir narrows eyes
 
@tsuma534 Yes, but please - make it exemplary - an example for all furure story-id questions.
@Emrakul You can use your super-duper mod powers to confirm :P
 
user61230
@tsuma534 Welcome! And, yes! But please make sure you've put some thought into it, and are sure it's a good one.
 
I do have some plot details, and that's it
I have no idea if this is exemplary
I can post the question here
 
user61230
@Mithrandir Unlucky me, @Gallifreyan doesn't have an account on Puzzling ;)
 
user61230
9:35 AM
@tsuma534 Sure! We can take a look at it first, if you'd like!
 
@Emrakul Heh. So you can't check :P
 
I have found it on reddit, someone's looking for the title this book
But it got me curious so I would also like to read it
I'm not sure if I should (re)post it myself or invite them here (can an entirely new user join a private beta?)
Here are the provided plot details:
"A woman is chosen to partake willingly in a scientific experiment in the future. She works closely with a man whom she has not met in real life, but talks to him via voice. The couple fall in love, but she then finds out that the man is in fact an AI. The book focuses on the unfolding of their relationship, and her heartbre
 
If you send them an email invite, or provide them with this link (http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/93238/literature/visit)
 
@tsuma534 you can send invites (I think), but it'll be easier to simply post the question
 
@tsuma534 I think too scarce to be an examplary first question, sorry
 
9:38 AM
Ok
So I'll wait :-)
Maybe in the meantime it will be answered there
Thank you for clarifications
 
I hope this stack makes it this time (holds thumbs)
 
Is that what you were thinking of? :P
 
@Mithrandir posted same thing yesterday
Also, you can access the previous site's chat from here
 
@Gallifreyan I know
 
9:57 AM
@Randal'Thor How'd I do?
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Q: Identify a book about a boy who has hypnotic powers

MithrandirI remember this book fairly well. I'll try to provide what I remember about all points. Cover The cover was predominantly blue, with spirals across the whole thing. I think it had a person on it. Author It was written by one of the authors of the original The 39 Clues series, so either ric...

 
10:09 AM
Hmm... I want to be Curious...
If I get an upvote there I'll be the 4th CUrious one, so.. :P
 
user61230
I wish I could write a truly exemplary (ha) answer to that identification question, but sadly, I lack the actual book.
 
Got this when posting an answer
 
user61230
I wonder if I can, um, find an online copy that I could, um, borrow for a bit. Just to edit in.
 
user61230
...nope.
 
user61230
10:14 AM
@Gallifreyan Don't lie. We all know.
 
@Emrakul did my nickname tip you off?
 
It's buried, which is why I didn't see it when I searched
So yep, that's it @Emrak
 
@Mithrandir it doesn't count if don't have freehand red circles
 
@Emrakul: The name of the guy who helps him is named Axel Braintree, they meet in a Laundromat.
 
user61230
@Mithrandir Glorious days!
 
user61230
10:18 AM
Goootcha.
 
wait no
The group of benders meets in a Laundromat, sorry
 
user61230
I scanned the first couple chapters, which Amazon provides, but I either went too quickly or couldn't find it there.
 
It's not theer.
Chapter 13.
 
user61230
Yeah, there was no good way for me to find that. Oh well.
 
Elias Mako wants Senator Trey to be elected. He has Jax record a hypnotic message to this effect and releases the video as a computer virus. Trey is one of the characters in .
The name of the institute is Sentia.
 
10:29 AM
Hello, have I missed much?
 
Not much...
I asked a question and Emrak answered it.
But I'm holding off the accept for now.
 
@DVK-in-Florida I invite you to take a look at this, because I failed. Also, you said you'd answer my question
@Benjamin they accused me of not being human!
Or being a sock puppet, depends who you ask
 
@Gallifreyan You're not, you're my sockpuppet. That means that if I'm Rand's puppet..
 
I am on mobile right now, but anything about satire or poetry that I might be interested in?
 
Heh
I was going to put a list in my profile about books that I can probably answer questions on, but it got too long XD
 
10:42 AM
I need to ask a Witcher question
And then answer it
 
Hmph. I didn't get that upvote for my Curious badge :P
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Q: How do the monsters return without the Doors of Death?

MithrandirDuring the events of The Heroes of Olympus, Gaea opened up the Doors of Death so that the monsters could come back easier. However, I could find no mention of how they got back without the Doors. But we know that they come back, as the Furies and the Minotaur regenerate. And if there was an eas...

^not asking for upvotes, just complaining :P
 
Could someone review my edits here.
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Q: Was Dostoyevsky atheist or Christian?

Navid777We see atheist and Christian heroes in Dostoyevsky's books. In many cases the works of an author reflect elements of their own life. However, the extent to which this occurs vary by author. Especially, in this instance where he has portrayed both atheist and Christian heroes, his own religion doe...

 
@Benjamin Looks okay to me...
 
@Mithrandir Okay.
 
@Benjamin Looks OK.
Also avoids a faux pas of putting words in the author's mouth, and the faux pas of mutating the question into something else for the sake of keeping a question open.
 
10:47 AM
@doppelgreener It was hard. There were other things I wanted to add.
 
I edited that question to provide a link to relevant meta, but I'm not sure if it's appropriate
 
@Benjamin I am a very prolific editor myself, but I go by a rule of thumb that I generally don't put in more effort into my edits than the author appears to have put into their post. You did enough right there.
 
Anyone want to answer this?
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Q: Is the giant who carved the under me line Time?

MithrandirIn The Silver Chair, Rilian, while enchanted, said: Though under Earth and throneless now I be, Yet, while I lived, all Earth was under me. From which it is plain that some great king of the ancient giants, who lives1 buried there, caused this boast to be cut in the stone ov...

 
@Mithrandir Yes, but I can't.
 
Start a bounty. :)
 
10:51 AM
Noooo
 
@doppelgreener Now, I would reread the series for a bounty.
 
It doesn't say in the series...
 
@Mithrandir Oh.
 
Can I get a review on this answer?
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A: Is Judaism represented in the Narnia books?

MithrandirNote:This does not in ANY WAY represent my own religious views. It's possible that CSL meant for the dwarves to represent the Jews. At the end of TLB, the dwarves refused to be 'taken in' by Aslan. It's possible that CSL meant for this to represent the Jews refusing to believe in Jesus. The J...

 
Ooh, more wall 'o text.
 
10:55 AM
@BESW Only the quotes.
And I bolded the relevant parts.
 
It's the connective tissue that matters!
 
I think it might be a bit offensively misinterpreting Judaism.
Either that or CS Lewis was, if they were meant to represent Judaism.
 
Yes, CSL was...
 
Yeah, can we get some support that Lewis (anyone else doesn't matter for the purpose of your argument, because you're arguing authorial intent) thought about Jews in that way?
 
Actually
Never mind, ignore me :P
 
10:58 AM
If I were writing it, I'd go [thing Lewis thought about Jews] / [thing in the book which matches], repeat ad nauseum.
 
Jews didn't gain and then lose faith: the Jewish religion always prophecied the arrival of a Messiah, Christians are merely those Jews who decided Jesus was that Messiah, while the remaining Jews disagreed. (Relevant: at the time, hundreds of people were claiming to be the Messiah. As you can see, most were dismissed.) Any number of non-Christian religions or peoples are, in theory, declined heaven. Beards are nonessential to Jews, and a trademark of many cultures including Islamic culture.
 
And if there's anything which doesn't match, talk about that too. An argument is only made stronger by admitting its weaknesses.
 
Lewis married a Jewish convert to Christianity
 
user61230
 
Not believing in miracles is not definitionally Jews (couldn't that also be an allusion to atheists?) and being taken in and controlled is not the issue Jews have (they are already taken in and submitting to divine control -- Judaism Stack Exchange is full of questions about how to obey their religion's laws. They're just not submitting to claims of Jesus's divinity.)
 
11:01 AM
@doppelgreener Yes, I know. I said met the requirements.
@doppelgreener You're trying to teach me this? Ironic :P
> Note: This does not in ANY WAY represent my own religious views.
 
@Emrakul I keep trying, and my brain goes "WHAT IS THIS I GIVE UP."
 
user61230
@BESW Yeah! It's supposed to drive you a little nuts.
 
user61230
That's why I always say, don't sleep with that book in the same room. Don't read it at night. Don't read it with the lights off.
 
I don't know what your religious views are. You answered that Jews may be represented by Dwarves because of these traits, and I am pointing out that it's a stretch. And you asked for feedback.
 
user61230
11:04 AM
I'd really love to read House of Leaves in a reading group or something, but the problem is, everyone's going to end up reading it in a totally different order.
 
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A: Was Dostoyevsky atheist or Christian?

BenjaminFyodor Mikhailovich Dostoyevsky, author of such works as Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov, was a devout Orthodox Catholic from a very young age. He is reported to at a young age recite prayers to guests to their great amazement. He also is said to have been greatly affected by vari...

Could someone take a look at this answer.
 
@doppelgreener I tried to edit to address your points.
 
89 rep away from mod tools and 137 rep away from rep cap. Reaching it today is doable.
 
@Benjamin You'll be the 8th user to reach 1k.
 
@Mithrandir Still not to low. This will be my first site to get mod tools.
 
11:13 AM
It was mine, too :)
 
@BESW Thanks for recommending The Death of The Author, it is an interesting, yet confusing read.
 
@Benjamin Isn't it though? And it's just the beginning.
 
@BESW What should I read next?
 
The Death of the Author is emblematic of not a new school of critique, but a new era of analysis theory that argues back and forth over the intersectionality of author, text, audience, culture...
 
@BESW So, I should read pretty much anything else?
 
11:16 AM
Gosh I dunno. I'm not an expert, I just know enough to defend myself against them.
 
@BESW Oh, well you know more than I do.
 
Lemmee think for a mo'.
 
@BESW I agree very strongly with this. (And I'm sad I didn't absorb it properly the first time I read it!) Right now the answer suggests some potential signs the dwarves are Jewish analogues, but it requires CS Lewis to have a particular form of weird prejudiced view of Jews. If we had evidence he actually thought of Jews those ways, then seeing that reflected in his work via dwarves would be very strong evidence the dwarves are Jewish analogues.
 
user61230
I'm quickly coming to the conclusion that "Should I read [X] out of order?" questions need to include a reason why the asker thinks they should read the books out of order in the first place.
 
@doppelgreener I imagine his letters would be a good source.
@Emrakul Should I read House of Leaves out of order?
 
user61230
11:19 AM
@BESW I... I... I'm not sure how to... answer that...
 
Also, if anyone asks if they should read The Boxcar Children out of order, ping me ASAP.
 
The reluctance to believe in miracles, accept Aslan, or submit to his rule, all make sense if we were to suppose the dwarves are Jews. But they would also make sense were we to suppose the dwarves are Muslims, atheists, or not a real-world analogy of anyone at all. (But maybe that last category doesn't exist in CS Lewis' work.) So while there's connection there, it's not evidence they're Jewish analogues.
 
His wife was a convert Judaism-Christianity who had written about Judaism in an unfavorable light
 
user61230
Should I read The Boxcar Children out of order?
 
@Emrakul You didn't ping him.
 
11:21 AM
@Emrakul If you skip Mystery Ranch, everything after Benny Uncovers a Mystery makes no sense because you won't be able to figure out why they're becoming ageless ciphers of themselves.
 
user61230
SPOILERS LALALALALLALALALALALALLALA.
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[grin] Seriously though the first 19 books make intertextual references and describe sequential narrative with actual character growth, while after Warner's death the series becomes episodic and detached by regressing the children's growth and development to somewhere around the 11th book and freezing them there forever.
My headcanon explains it as having to do with events in Mystery Ranch, but in reality it's just lazy ghost-writing.
(Yes, I have complex headcanon about the Boxcar Children.)
 
Woo, just added another wall of quotetext
 
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I've never even heard of the Boxcar Children.
 
@Emrakul Really?
SO @BESW how's my new wall?
 
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11:28 AM
Y-yeah, honest. Am I missing a cultural reference?
 
Yeah, kinda.
In the mid 1920s an American schoolteacher found that her students wanted to read about kids like themselves but she had no available material to give them. So she wrote her own books. Nineteen of them.
 
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Q: Was Roland Barthes religious?

BenjaminIn reading The Death of The Author by Roland Barthes, his references to how the author's writing was almost accidental and to a "theological meaning" strike me as suggesting that the author is only a means for a higher power to deliver their message. So, this led me to wonder whether this was inf...

 
They were kinda twee, about four orphans who got adopted in the first book by a very rich and kindly man, and they'd go about having relatively sensible adventures like rafting, or helping rebuild a schoolhouse. There'd always be some kind of mystery, but it often had a mundane if soap-opera-ish conclusion--though sometimes they'd expose fraud or theft or something.
 
@BESW Take a look at my question, does it seem like I misunderstood him?
 
For me, there was excitement in reading about those kids because they weren't like me at all--growing up on a tropical island was very different from growing up in New England.
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But also they were surprisingly packed with useful trivia. A shocking amount of my vocabulary and random knowledge comes from that series.
 
11:33 AM
@doppelgreener I edited.
 
@Mithrandir I think you'd do well to fiddle with the order of presentation. Start with Lewis's views, then show how the Narnia text fits it.
Try to use your presentation order to match point and point.
@Benjamin I think it's a reasonable thing to ask.
 
@BESW I have done some searching and it is a surprisingly hard thing to find.
 
@BESW Better?
 
Long after Gertrude Chandler Warner's death (she wrote 19 books from 1924 to 1976), the publishing company hired ghost writers to continue writing Boxcar Children books (they're called that because they lived in a boxcar while homeless in the first book) almost ceaselessly from 1991 to the present day; there are now more than 160 of them.
@Mithrandir I'm revoking my downvote, but guessing about Christian theology on such a very Christian topic isn't going to get an upvote from me.
 
If anybody here knows more than me about Christian theology they're welcome to edit :P
 
11:42 AM
Yeah, it's a difficult question.
In part because Lewis's Christianity is.... odd, let's say. And stacking literary analysis standards on top of theological criticism standards is 'fun.'
 
@BESW I provided sources for my guesses.
 
@BESW More theory interpretation.
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Q: What magazines was Roland Barthes referring to in The Death of The Author?

Benjamin The author still rules in manuals of literary history, in biographies of writers, in magazine interviews, and even in the awareness of literary men, anxious to unite, by their private journals, their person and their work; the image of literature to be found in contemporary culture is ...

 
12:01 PM
Y'all, your answers and questions are showing up front and center for peer review whenever they're posted. Is they're a reason they're being posted to chat this much today?
 
@doppelgreener Because we have been discussing this.
And I wrote up the question you reccommended: literature.stackexchange.com/questions/840/…
 
@doppelgreener I wanted review.
 
@Benjamin ok. As someone who joined the chat a couple of hours ago it's been "check my post and edit please" chat rather than Literature chat, and it seems unnecessary.
@Benjamin You should explain what your thoughts are on the passage such that you asked your original question about it, including what you suspect it might mean. I actually rather suggested that as an edit on your original question.
 
Y'see, I spent a lot of time on that answer, so I wanted to know what was so bad about it that it has a score of -3.
 
@doppelgreener Oh, sorry about that, but I will try to explain why I am asking.
 
12:11 PM
@Mithrandir Ok. That's reasonable.
 
12:26 PM
@doppelgreener Change made.
 
@Benjamin Thanks for working with me there.
 
@Mithrandir How could I approve this question?: literature.stackexchange.com/questions/328/…
 
12:43 PM
Yay, I hit 350 rep!
 
@Gallifreyan Conga rat ululations!
 
@doppelgreener thanks
@Benjamin congrats on 1k!
 
@Gallifreyan Awesome find!!! +1
 
@Gallifreyan I step away from the computer for five minutes and I get 55 rep.
Only 40 rep, away from rep cap. I can do it.
 
@DVK-in-Florida yeah, but I don't know if The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes was actually banned
 
12:52 PM
@Bookworm Can we make a symbol of while at it? (brought to you from the holder of and and and and and )
 
@DVK-in-Florida good thing to post in that question
@Mithrandir whoa. that question of yours -- "It would have been better to break every bone in her body than to die" -- just has me thinking [citation needed]
(i mean, fair question, but that particular sentence hits me)
 

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