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12:05 AM
@DavidCarlisle Wow, I didn't know you did enumerate as well. And here I though all you knew were tables, now I have to watch out for list questions as well11
 
@PeterGrill color and graphics are mine too (I never used tables when I did latex)
 
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@DavidCarlisle The whole world belongs to you now, because everything has colour.
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@WillHunting but can't remember how enumerate works....
 
@DavidCarlisle Increment enumeration counter thingy on every item count? :)
 
@PauloCereda thanks for that.
 
12:13 AM
@DavidCarlisle Wow, you are even more impressive that I had previously thought.
 
@DavidCarlisle I think if we dig the TeX tree, we will find more packages authored by you than Heiko Oberdiek himself. :)
 
@PauloCereda some of them even work
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, I can help you with that -- you basically you just use \item for each list element... Next time I suggest you post a question so I can get some rep for helping you..
 
this code claims to have been written in 1990 which seems an awfully long time ago
 
@PeterGrill lol! the thought of @DavidCarlisle getting stuck on something tex-related :)
 
12:19 AM
@cmhughes Yep. Looks like tikz was our only hope, but David seems to want to try those questions as well!! Any suggestions on what we can do about that??
 
@PeterGrill perhaps we could seloptape his fingers together :)
@PeterGrill @DavidCarlisle or else tell him he can't use emacs :)
 
@cmhughes Yeah then he would have even more difficulty putting his keys in his pockets when he leaves
 
@PeterGrill lol :)
 
@cmhughes Not sure if that would help, he know vi too!!
 
@PeterGrill we're fighting a loosing battle :)
 
12:21 AM
@PeterGrill only :wq
 
@DavidCarlisle Well, then if you stick to vi and just add a ! at then end of that we might have a chance of keeping up with you.
 
@PeterGrill even better to just use :q!
 
@cmhughes Dammm, that's what I meant...
 
@PeterGrill no worries :)
 
@cmhughes I don't think there is any difference between :q and :wq is there (if you haven't actually managed to edit the file)?
 
12:25 AM
@DavidCarlisle of course! but an empty file doesn't worry us :)
 
@DavidCarlisle An easter egg: try :help!
 
would it tell me why this doesn't do what I think it should do
\expandafter\protected@edef\csname p@\@enumctr\endcsname
             {\csname labelenum\romannumeral\numexpr\@enumdepth - 1\relax\endcsname}%
 
@DavidCarlisle does emacs tell you?
 
@DavidCarlisle That would also make a good first question... :-)
 
:6913007
I am the psychotherapist.  Please, describe your problems.  Each time
you are finished talking, type RET twice.

why this doesn't do what I think it should do
\expandafter\protected@edef\csname p@\@enumctr\endcsname
             {\csname labelenum\romannumeral\numexpr\@enumdepth - 1\relax\endcsname}%

Why do you say that?
because I wrote it



Is it because you wrote it that you came to me?
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12:30 AM
@DavidCarlisle: Looks like we have a common enemy who is determined to reduce both our reps!! Initially I was sure you were behind it in the first place. Perhaps you realized that it was too obvious and had him reduce you rep too to cover up!!
 
@DavidCarlisle Perhaps \expandafter\noexpand\csname labelenum...?
 
@egreg hey have you done this tex stuff before?
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@DavidCarlisle I assume that you want it to give \labelenumi if you are at enumeration depth 2.
But probably you want also to expand \labelenumi?
 
@egreg well I just had \let originally but changed to protected edeff but I can't remember why now (I kept getting disturbed by people being rude in another window)
 
@DavidCarlisle: Wow, not only can you write TeX, you can do comedy as well. :-) Impressive.
 
12:34 AM
@DavidCarlisle Somebody might define \theenumi so that it expands to \textbf{\arabic{enumi}}. Maybe this is the reason.
 
ahh meanwhile the OP took my advice and accepted the other answer:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle If I do it at the first item in a second level enumerate, what's done is the same as \def\p@enumii{1} (because the second level enumerate started at the first item in the outer enumerate)
 
@egreg yes that's what's supposed to happen (the label and ref are supposed to be 1.2.1 I think I'm getting tired this can't be that hard:)
\documentclass[]{article}
\usepackage{enumerate}
%opening
\title{}
\author{}

\makeatletter

\let\old@@enum@\@@enum@
\def\@@enum@{%
\expandafter\protected@edef\csname p@\@enumctr\endcsname
             {\csname labelenum\romannumeral\numexpr\@enumdepth - 1\relax\endcsname}%
\old@@enum@}

\begin{document}

\begin{enumerate}
\item 1st item
\begin{enumerate}[\theenumi.1.]
\item 1st nested item
\item 2nd nested item
\begin{enumerate}[\theenumii.1.]
\item Useful/Important Information\label{a}
\end{enumerate}
 
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Q: How can I turn a B*-tree into a puzzle?

Brian Ballsun-StantonMy players, being quite terrified of the consequences of injury (less research time), have asked me for a series of magical puzzles for their next adventure. I have decided that, roughly, it will follow a 5-room adventure format. The first puzzle entails word puzzles, and the third will entail c...

 
 
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1:52 AM
With apologies to the grandmaster :)
\documentclass[tikz]{standalone}
\definecolor{cffcc00}{RGB}{255,204,0}
\definecolor{c008000}{RGB}{0,128,0}
\definecolor{caa8800}{RGB}{170,136,0}
\definecolor{cd4aa00}{RGB}{212,170,0}
\definecolor{ce6e6e6}{RGB}{230,230,230}
\begin{document}
\begin{tikzpicture}

\draw[white,fill=cd4aa00,line width=1pt] (-102:1.3)to[in=115,out=-84]++(-75:0.61) to[out=
25,in=180]++(10:0.42)to[in=35,out =-90]++(-122:0.365)to[in=-65,out=170]++(150:0.33)to[out
=108,in=-65]++(112:0.63)--cycle; \fill[cffcc00](-2,0)arc(180:230:1.5 and 1.8)arc(240:320:
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@PauloCereda Now it's more portable and more cubist \:)
 
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2:38 AM
@percusse Who's the GM?
 
@WillHunting I think you need to execute the code...
 
3:01 AM
Should questions asking about drawing braces (TikZ and whatnot) really have the tag where that is about TeX's { and }? The tag's name fits, of course, but not the tag's description.
 
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3:37 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Well, if that is what the tag is, then of course it should not be tagged as such.
 
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For me, I like to tag my questions with as few tags as possible, but others may like to tag it with as many as possible.
 
@WillHunting: hi!
 
4:01 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel This should be a meta question.
 
Seems to be a please-do-this-for-me-question again. Same as you can see here. I asked for a MWE. To be closed as too localized?
Only my first given statement works properly. Thereafter when I use \FOR it does not compile. Throws an error saying — princess of persia 10 mins ago
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Q: Algorithm in LaTeX

princess of persiaI wrote the following algorithm, however its not compiling and throws a few errors. I am not sure of what I did wrong. Any help would be appreciated. \begin{algorithm} \caption{Bridging Score(BRS) Computation} \begin{algorithmic} Given: User-Noun Matrix $X$ \For {$i = 1 \to n$}...

 
 
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8:44 AM
@percusse Wow, epic! <3
 
Good morning everybody. Unfortunately (well for me) there are a few table questions left!! That just means @DavidCarlisle has a few easy points that can be had... And good night everybody...
 
@PeterGrill good morning:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle I tried really hard to clear up the table questions, but obviously I am not worthy... :-) Oh, be gentle on "Dev Solar", i think I annoyed him -- I blame it being s late for me...
 
kan
Hello!!
 
@PeterGrill Good morning! :)
@kan 'ello!
Good morning starshine the earth says hello!
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9:17 AM
@WillHunting It's David Carlisle and Paulo Cereda depending on the detail.
 
9:36 AM
Is there someone you can answer my question math.stackexchange.com/questions?page=2&sort=newest in this url ?
 
@Averroès Your link is not pointing to a question and if it's a math question I'm sure it would be answered over there.
 
Oh yes excuse me it's a wrong link! tex.stackexchange.com/questions/82857/…
 
@Averroès I agree with the comments that you need to find that command's definition. It's a custom macro that is introduced probably and when you were copying it you left it out somewhere,
Otherwise we can't help because we can't see the rest of the file.
 
10:00 AM
tex.stackexchange.com/questions/82854/… can be closed as a duplicate
 
That is correct, but I copied the script from this url les-mathematiques.net/phorum/read.php?10,441612,page=2 without any result.
 
10:27 AM
Oh my!
Fedora 19 Linux Will Be Called Schrödinger's Cat
Fedora naming scheme is fantastic. :)
 
10:44 AM
@Averroès did you copy the line \newlength{\shadowbaseline} that defines that command (from the answer of "pg")
@percusse er what's me or @PauloCereda ?
@percusse oh, the duck again...
 
@DavidCarlisle Duck on picture mode. :)
 
11:10 AM
@PeterGrill will be so impressed that I managed to answer a question tagged with tabularx
oops I just noticed @Werner had already suggested that in comments. Sorry Werner:-)
 
11:24 AM
@DavidCarlisle Sorry for having closed abruptly last night; but I came to the conclusion that enumitem does that better and went to bed. :)
 
@egreg That was my thought exactly (but I put an answer there this morning anyway)
 
kan
Testing out...
 
@kan I came to a better proof that the reduced form is unique. I'll try writing it; stay tuned.
 
kan
@egreg Oh, Sweet!! Better than Holzner's proof... anxiously looking at the screen
 
11:33 AM
@PauloCereda it looks very fuzzy here
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
kan
I am agreeing with David!
BRB. I am going to have snack...
 
Now I officially included Frasier as part of my series collection. :)
 
12:28 PM
@kan Don't expect it to be online in a few minutes; check tomorrow by this time. However the idea is simple: since U=FA (U is the reduced form and F is invertible), each nondominant column in U is a linear combination of the dominant columns at its left; but those are just columns of the identity matrix, so the coefficients in a nondominant columns are uniquely determined.
 
12:47 PM
@DavidCarlisle same here. And Hello, @Paulo and everybody!
 
kan
1:08 PM
@egreg "so the coefficients in a nondominant columns are uniquely determined." -- still wondering if this is supposed to follow without any more work... I am believing it requires a little work but must be something clever this lowly mortal is not seeing.
 
@kan I'm writing some notes. But they won't be ready by today.
 
kan
@egreg Sure... I will keep checking your homepage from later tomm. for updates. :) BTW, you've a lot of things written in Italian. Not quite happy with them because I cannot read Italian.
 
@kan They are for Italian students. :) I'm afraid that the average Italian student can't afford notes written in English. :( Bad way of teaching English in schools: they learn the grammar, not the language.
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kan
@egreg Sad. :(
 
@egreg complete opposite of English schools of course. We have no idea about English grammar.
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kan
1:25 PM
@DavidCarlisle I cannot agree more. I am sure I don't know the nitty gritties but I can manage to convey what I intend to say....
 
1:44 PM
@tohecz Hi Tom! :)
 
2:27 PM
Here's my attempt to do way with "renaming" questions once and for all:
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Q: How to change the name of document elements like "Figure", "Contents", "Bibliography" etc.?

lockstepI'd like to change the name of some document elements, e.g. "Figure" into "Fig." and "Contents" into "Table of Contents". How can I do that?

 
I'd add a two language example both for the babel section and the biblatex one
So people will understand how to do for languages different from English; also check for german and ngerman
 
@egreg I added a MWE to the question. Do you think it is sufficient to say "add the following to your MWE" in the answer?
 
2:50 PM
"Number of times I misspell tabular" is directly proportional to "length of compilation of document"
 
 
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3:55 PM
@PauloCereda: I got a new upvote for arara: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/69705/…
 
@MarcoDaniel <3
Can I downvote answers? :P
 
@PauloCereda Of course ;-)
 
ooh it's dirty I like it. :)
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I got a notification from a rely of yours in our issue tracking system. :)
 
3:58 PM
'Lo :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Hi Nicola! :)
 
@PauloCereda ;-) -- The problem with this issue is more difficult. I know Guido wants to compile latex twice before you run makeindex or biber. In my opinion this is a really special case. Normally a single pdflatex run before makeindex is enough.
 
@MarcoDaniel This is all black magic for me. :) I run three times to be sure. :P
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
I have a newbie question to your issue: github.com/cereda/arara/issues/27 The only difference is "$@" instead of $* But what is the difference? (next to the quotes ;-) )
@PauloCereda: I hope you notice that my weekend is starting ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel I Speaking of rules, did you see the changes I did to our clean rule? :) I added a safety lock in order to avoid people removing their own .tex files. :)
(note that that new function doesn't work with the arara.jar provided in the downloads section, but the source code is already updated... compile everything again.) :)
 
4:04 PM
@PauloCereda You are awfully nice
 
@MarcoDaniel <3
Half Brazilian, half Italian. :)
 
@PauloCereda and which part is it?
 
@MarcoDaniel Both. :)
It's a good mixture. :)
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
 
And I like ducks, which of course makes all the difference. :)
 
4:15 PM
Yay, I've answered a question completely unrelated to any package I've written :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Congratulations. And you recommended KOMA @PauloCereda: You must learn KOMA ;-)
 
4:38 PM
@MarcoDaniel ooh KOMA!
OK, I'll write my first KOMA document right now.
 
@PauloCereda I've started writing duck.cls I'm going to be adventurous and have images spanning verso-recto pages :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh my! :) It sounds awesome! :)
@MarcoDaniel: Nicola has written an story about ducks, araras and hats. :)
Aha! texdoc koma! That's a good sign. :)
 
4:56 PM
@NicolaTalbot We need a new tag ;-)
@PauloCereda or texdoc scrguien
 
@MarcoDaniel :-)
@PauloCereda I switched to using KOMA for my LaTeX tutorials. It makes it much easier to describe how to customise section formats etc. Although I still haven't finished rewriting vol 2 (how to write a PhD thesis). I seem to keep getting side-tracked with one thing or another.
 
@PauloCereda Hi Paulo! :)
 
@NicolaTalbot Ah! :) It was a good cause. :)
@tohecz Hey Tom! :) Miss ya, buddy. :)
 
@PauloCereda /hug
(sorry, a French/Belgian habit ;) )
 
5:11 PM
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@tohecz Brazilian costume as well. Handshakes are too formal here. :)
 
@PauloCereda and do guys do this "cheek-kiss" with guys there? Because they do in Belgium
 
@tohecz Heavens no. :)
Yes for girls. :)
 
@PauloCereda it looks sooooo .... gay :p
 
@tohecz I have to remember which country my relatives are from before greeting them: the Brazilians get three kisses, the Belgian's get two and the English get either one or a handshake. It's gets awfully embarrassing if I get it wrong.
 
5:15 PM
@NicolaTalbot No, it's not, people quite understand it. Actually, Belgian or French do three kisses as well if they're good friends ;)
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh! :) There's a saying here when you give a person three kisses: "Três beijinhos é pra casar" meaning that if the person is single, you are wishing him/her good luck on finding love, or if the person is already married, you are wishing a blessed matrimony. :)
 
@tohecz :-)
@PauloCereda Oh, that's sweet. I'd never heard of that.
 
@NicolaTalbot I'm not sure the newer generations know these "traditions". :)
 
@NicolaTalbot and after you defend your thesis, if your supervisor is a woman, you make a full kiss with her ;) (that if you're a guy, if you're a girl, you kiss your supervisor no matter their sex)
 
@tohecz :-O
I don't remember doing that ;-)
 
5:21 PM
@NicolaTalbot you defended your thesis in France?
 
@MarcoDaniel: speaking of France, now arara speaks it fluently! :)
 
@PauloCereda Great
 
@MarcoDaniel und arara spreche Deutsche. :)
 
@PauloCereda fast ;-) German is very difficult in this case. und arara spricht Deutsch ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel German is not difficult, Czech would be :D
 
5:24 PM
@MarcoDaniel Heute spreche ich nur ein beissen Deutsche.
@tohecz That's not fair, you guys have no vowels! :)
 
@PauloCereda We have, 12 of them :p
 
@tohecz Really. I thought Czech has only three tenses
 
@tohecz OMG TWELVE?!
 
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Q: Sponsored TUG membership

CaramdirLast year StackExchange became a member of TUG. With that come eight individual memberships, that were given out to some members of the community. I was one of the lucky eight chosen and enjoyed my TUG membership for the last year. However, I haven't been very active on TeX.SX lately, so I feel ...

 
@tohecz No, England. Although I'm a mathematician I did my Ph.D. in the electronics department. My external examiner (an electronic engineer) said he thought the two and a half pages of algebraic manipulation in the middle of my thesis were the "prettiest pages" in entire document :-)
 
5:25 PM
I wanna learn Czech!
 
@MarcoDaniel yes, but 14 classes of verbs and 14 classe of nouns, in 4 genders
 
@tohecz WOW ;-) Ok that's more difficult ;-)
 
@PauloCereda yes, the once with different pronounciation are a e i o u á é í ó ú au ou
 
@PauloCereda Hi there, is arara available on ctan ?
 
@texlearner Not yet
 
5:26 PM
oh
 
@texlearner 'ello! :) Not yet, we are finishing the manual for v3, then we will upload it. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel yes. Then you don't need more than 3 (actually, for half of the verbs, only 2) tenses to make the language fucking complicated
 
@texlearner Don't worry. The installation is really simple.
 
@MarcoDaniel Is that really so? As soon as you have a TOC without independent numbering scheme page numbers will change from first to second run.
 
@MarcoDaniel is it crossplatform
 
5:28 PM
@texlearner Yes
 
@NicolaTalbot Typeset in TeX, I suppose. :)
 
@StephanLehmke How often do you have this case? What is your recommended compilation order?
 
Haben Sie Eis?
 
@MarcoDaniel i will give it a try. i have known only latexmk till now
 
@PauloCereda I LOVE ICE
@texlearner We will help you
 
5:29 PM
@PauloCereda Definitely :-) LaTeX2.09 (It was a long time ago.) I used ArmTeX (I think that's what it was called, but my memory is getting a bit flaky).
 
Geben Sie mir bitte eine Hörnchen mit Sahneeis. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel Er... You mean really EVERYBODY is using roman numerals for the TOC?
 
I love travel guides. :)
 
@JosephWright I definitely vote for @Paulo, he's a TeX.SX spokesman anyways!
 
@MarcoDaniel i will download and check it out. Million thanks to tex.sx people
 
5:31 PM
@StephanLehmke Roman numeral always scared me. I think I got traumatized by a giant cuckoo clock we had here with big and fearsome roman numerals. :)
@tohecz Thanks for the kind indication, but there are people out there that really deserve it. :)
 
@StephanLehmke In German I think so.
 
@PauloCereda You do I think! You're active both inside and outside this community (I mean, packages, Uk TUG meeting, ...)
 
Ich möchte mit jemandem ageln gehen.
 
@PauloCereda Už jsem Ti někdy řekl, že neumím německy?
 
@tohecz Oh my, how I get this awesome upside-down hat accent? :)
 
5:34 PM
@MarcoDaniel I beg to differ. For instance, every document based on article doesn't even have a page break after the TOC. TBH, I think roman numeral frontmatter is a legacy of ancient times when the main matter was typeset (typewritten) and afterwards the frontmatter added in front.
At least most of our customers (all German) don't do that.
 
@PauloCereda it's called "check", you get it by \v in textmode and by \check in mathmode
@PauloCereda it comes on ěščřžďťňľ
 
@tohecz Pardon my ignorance. :) What does your sentence mean? :)
 
@PauloCereda "Have I ever told you that I don't speak German?"
 
@tohecz ooh I'm bookmarking it! :)
 
@PauloCereda and curiosity is not ignorance ;)
 
5:37 PM
@tohecz <3
 
Sigh So many TV channels, but can I find one that's showing the cricket highlights!
 
@NicolaTalbot We can always ask @DavidCarlisle! :)
Joseph and David promised to take me to a cricket match. :)
 
Well, I gotta go shopping or I have nothing left at home, so see you in some (short) time! ;)
 
In other news, I just finished the largest DocScape project for this year, probably the largest since several years. In fact, with 23.000 lines of XML markup code, it's the largest DocScape "design rule base" ever made for a single document. The final PDF is produced, printing will start on Monday.
 
@StephanLehmke OMG! That's epic, Stephan! :) Can I ask the final PDF size? :)
 
5:42 PM
The final PDF is 950 pages, 1.1GB, but it runs 200min ...
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@StephanLehmke Wow!
 
But in fact, during the run, 12579 pages are actually produced and layouted, to be evaluated for several optimization criteria, most of them being thrown away again ;-)
 
In addition, 252741 "virtual pages" (called "groups" in DocScape) are produced, which are used to align text and images on a dynamically growing canvas (a bit like TeX boxes, but with design grid and all), measure things and construct parts of pages.
 
@StephanLehmke 1.1GB PDF? DO you send it out on DVD? And here I thought my Pathfinder game books (68 MB, 600 pages) were going to murder any tablet I put them on!
 
5:50 PM
@Canageek Uh, for travel catalogs (full-page print quality colour images) sometimes even a couple of pages have up to 8GB.
 
@StephanLehmke Ah, so it will be distributed in hardcopy?
 
But in fact, we currently have a problem in DocScape with file size efficiency. Maybe I'll ask a question here soon if I can't figure it out myself...
@Canageek Of course. Most publications made with DocScape are printed.
As DocScape is including humongous amounts of images (and keeps a lot of images in boxes which are shipped out much later or in fact never), we always ran into problems with maximum numbers of open files. So I changed \pdfximage into \immediate\pdfximage in a lot of places.
 
@StephanLehmke I wonder how much you could compress that by switching to JPEG2000. The PDF1.5 specification supports it, and it is supposed to be a lot more advanced then JPEG. I'm just thinking, eventually people are going to want to open these things on their tablets.
 
@DavidCarlisle: Any cricket reports for @NicolaTalbot? :)
 
@Canageek In fact, we try to demand images as PDF and don't touch them at all in DocScape. There are more problems with color profiiles, EXIF headers and double JPG compression artifacts than you can imagine.
 
5:58 PM
@PauloCereda we're too busy with lego to bother with cricket
 
@StephanLehmke But what format are they encoded as within the PDF? PDF is a layout specification, not an image encoding format.
 
@DavidCarlisle You are my hero! :)
 
@Canageek Furthermore, for viewing on tablets or online, we can globally downsample images to 72dpi, which will get the average ERCO-type catalog (1000 pages) down to some 50MB.
 
@StephanLehmke Right, but tablet resolutions are now at 300 dpi (Nexus 10) or close to it (Retina iPad is 270 or so), which will mean you are going to notice the lower resolution.
 
@Canageek They could be JPG2000 for all I care. The customers are usually producing this stuff with their high-end image data bases, so why should they not use the most advanced compression available for PDF?
@Canageek Only of you view an A4 page at 100% scale, which would be stupid.
 
6:01 PM
@StephanLehmke It isn't standard and most software doesn't support it. Most PDF images are in older schemes such as JBIG2, since support is easier to implement.
 
@Canageek At least I know I am not touching the images. Simply converting JPG into PDF with distiller leaves douple jpg compression artifacts! WTF!!
 
@StephanLehmke I prefer to view thigns in 100% scale. This is also why I don't have a tablet yet; I want it for reading letter and A4 sized pages and all the current one are too small.
@StephanLehmke Why would I zoom down and make the text tiny? And if I zoom in, the image will look even worse.
@StephanLehmke Yeah, but we all know how skilled Adobe is at coding. How many PDF vulnerabilities have been found as of late? How much memory does Reader take up?
@StephanLehmke Yeah, I'm thinking whomever puts the images into the PDF should be looking at the future now though. On the other hand, Y2K and IPv4/IPv6 show us that they won't until someone else forces them to.
@StephanLehmke Sorry, outdated standards are a pet peeve of mine. MP3 hasn't been a good standard for over a decade now, compared to OGG and now Opus, yet I can't find decent portable music players that support anything better. GIF is still the animated format of the internet, despite the fact it is terrible and outdated.
 
@DavidCarlisle Heresy! How can anything be more important than cricket? ;-)
 
Hi
 
@esmitex Hi
 
6:09 PM
what's up ?
 
@NicolaTalbot Hockey, curling, soccer (Football).
 
@Canageek Well for me, even the glimpses I've taken into the abyss of image processing have convinced me I'm not touching that subject even with pliers.
 
I don't know about cricket but Tennis is very interesting for sure
 
@NicolaTalbot cricket doesn't have cogs, whirring motors and computers (and tennis doesn't either)
 
@StephanLehmke Yeah, I wouldn't want to do the math or work with it myself. I want the software to do it for me. grumble
 
6:13 PM
God bless biblatex with bibencoding=utf8 and biber for UTF-8 support! Hallelujah! :)
 
@Canageek Actually, I believe HTML and derivatives are the way to go for tablets.
 
I love how sometimes, when you think the match is about to end and it's going on for 2 more sets
 
@JosephWright: PLK, Audrey and you deserve a medal! Seriously. :)
 
lol whirring motors only make noise
 
@StephanLehmke I once typeset a table with ConTeXt... in HTML mode. Spooky. :)
 
6:14 PM
@esmitex noise is good (one of us is only 9)
 
@DavidCarlisle Which one? :P
 
@StephanLehmke A valid choice, though tables wouldn't look very good.
 
@esmitex For your query, start with the following code, then keep adding packages one by one from your document until you get the excess spacing. Then remove packages that don't contribute to the problem and that's the minimal example to put in your question:
     \documentclass{scrartcl}

     \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}

     \addtokomafont{section}{\centering\rmfamily\scshape}

     \begin{document}

     \section{Sample Section}
     Sample text.

     \end{document}
 
@StephanLehmke I'd be more interested in something like LaTeX that re-compiles for your device.
 
@StephanLehmke three cheers for MathML!
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6:16 PM
@DavidCarlisle This is true. Cogs, whirring motors etc are a lot of fun.
 
@StephanLehmke However, people love their full colour, beautiful layouts. I've tried arguing for stripped down versions, but it seems I'm the only one who is fine with that. Here is the PDF I'm reading now (warning: large file): robboyle.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/…
 
@Canageek Well since I know a tablet is telling a server it connects with its screen resolution, I've been thinking about servers providing single preformatted PDF pages ;-)
 
@StephanLehmke True, but then you have to do that once for each tablet size. Also, it doesn't work if I download the file with my computer then move it to my tablet. .mobi is nice, and HTML based I think. Hyperlinks, images and tables. I'd love to see more gaming books come as .mobi.
 
@Canageek ctrl-d sez "InDesign". Heresy!
 
@StephanLehmke Never used InDesign.
 
6:20 PM
@MarcoDaniel I have small question. In my Thesis, i find unresolved references like ? does arara know how to resolve them by compliling bibtex one more time
 
@texlearner Run Latex, then bibtex, then latex over and over again until everything works.
 
@Canageek I meant produce it dynamically for each connecting tablet (for online reading). For offline reading, one could of course produce a full PDF document specifically for this tablet.
 
@texlearner I use latexmk for that myself, it figures out how many times you need to run it for you.
 
@DavidCarlisle Hip hip hooray!
 
@Canageek i mean with arara automation works
 
6:22 PM
@texlearner I'm sorry, arara can't predict that. :(
 
@PauloCereda may be include one more time a % bibtex in my document like in your example
 
thanks @NicolaTalbot
 
@StephanLehmke Right now the things I read as PDFs are Gaming books (Letter sized pages, lots of fancy layout, graphics and tables; automated resizing wouldn't work unless they make a graphics free version), scientific papers (paper sized, layout could be fiddled with pretty easily), and I'd like to read textbooks, which are in all sorts of sizes.
 
@Canageek Well, DocScape is specifically for making pages with lots of fancy layout, graphics and tables dynamically (rule-based) in varying formats.
 
@StephanLehmke What I'm really interested in are the possibilities you have once you get away from paper. Why include an image of a crystal structure instead of the raw data and some interpretation guidelines, so you can rotate it on page? Why include an image of an NMR spectra instead of the raw data so you can zoom in and such, right there in the document?
I'd love to get @JosephWright's opinion on that stuff.
@StephanLehmke How hard would it be for a small (say, 3 people) publisher to use that? Or a scientist writing a paper?
 
6:26 PM
@NicolaTalbot by the way this linespacing thing is starting to piss me off I think I am gonna keep the article style like it was before. I thought I would spend less time formatting with Texmaker than word ................... I am starting to doubt it lol
 
@Canageek It's certainly easier to use than TeX.
 
@StephanLehmke Interesting. TeX isn't exactly easy to use for some things; I don't think you COULD do the layout on the PDF I linked above in it for example.
I really want 8.5x11" tablets though. Then I could have textbooks and such on them, instead of having to lug around several kg of books.
 
@Canageek Peter Murray Rust has spent a long time pushing publishers to use ChemML for exactly that reason
 
@esmitex Okay. Just use the titlesec answers from your original query instead.
 
@Canageek This sounds as if you need a rather strong runtime environment for that, so probably it'd boil down to a web browser + lots of javascript, essentially HTML based.
 
6:31 PM
@DavidCarlisle The wikipedia page doesn't list any output software for that. So I can't draw a molecule in a GUI then have it output.
 
@Canageek It wouldn't be too difficult with DocScape, but also not much of a problem with TeX.
 
I have to take my son to scouts now. Cheerio.
 
@StephanLehmke Why limit yourself with javascript? Why not use a real language compiled for the hardware? I think tablets using javascript is the wrong way to go for small devices. You are taking a low performance, power limited environment, and then using something that throws away a lot of that. headdesk
 
@Canageek can't remember I went to a few talks by PMR and they had a few contacts with the Math WG at one point but it's been a while. There must have been something making it as I definitely say demos of a web page with an applet or something with a 3d molecule of some sort
 
@StephanLehmke Really? All the precise image placement and shading and stuff? Isn't that LaTeX's weakpoint?
 
6:37 PM
@Canageek LaTeX can place images with pixel accuracy it just prefers to let them drift to the end of the document to give people something to talk about.
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I didn't think exact layout like that (with the image in a set place, off center text, vertical text on the side, and all of it overlaying images) was easy to do in LaTeX at all
 
@Canageek I didn't say LaTeX ;-) Of course you'd need a specialized output routine, but that's not too difficult to make in this case. Dunno what you mean by shading; the graphich effects look doable in TikZ.
 
@StephanLehmke Ok, let me say it another way. I didn't think pure-TeX was easy at all.
@DavidCarlisle Huh, interesting. If I ever lose my mind and decide to do graphic design I'll look into that.
Gotta restart, be right back
 
@Canageek I didn't say pure TeX either. Standard normal LaTeX with a new output routine doing exactly this kind of layout should be easy to make.
 
@Canageek Pure TeX can't include images or do colour, so you need to allow some kind of driver support as in tikz to even consider doing a fraction of the doc in this site
 
6:42 PM
@Canageek Whatever you say. I'm not much of a mobile development expert myself. You just sound like someone who would reinvent everything himself because he finds the existing approaches deficient, and this doesn't sound like something doable by a single person (or small group).
 
@NicolaTalbot titlesec is not working it is clashing with some other package... I think it's something about the 2 columns
 
Hey this KOMA thingy is actually very cool. :)
See @MarcoDaniel, I'm using KOMA!
It's German = AWESOME.
<3
 
lol this thing is going to drive me crazy... not as much as Word did but it could some day
 
7:02 PM
@StephanLehmke Ok -- You arguments are better than my
@PauloCereda Congratulations ;-) How can I support you ;-)
I need new tires for the winter
 
@MarcoDaniel Currenty, I'm using the combo KOMA + biblatex. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel Oh yes, I also need to get the spikes on my bike tires ;-)
 
@PauloCereda And it works well -- I know it's a rhetorical question
 
@MarcoDaniel It does. :) I need to find more about bibstyles now.
@MarcoDaniel Better idea: come to Brazil for summer. :)
 
@StephanLehmke ;-)
@PauloCereda Of course. This is the best idea
 
7:09 PM
@MarcoDaniel :)
Now I have some gaming systems, we can invite @percusse for a CoD party. :)
 
@PauloCereda PlayStation3 ??
 
@MarcoDaniel Yes. :)
Soon we will have TeX4PS3. :)
 
@PauloCereda The new arara rule ;-)
 
And I forgot that my Wii has wireless! I can update its Debian distro to run TeX = WiiTeX. :)
@MarcoDaniel Moar rulez!
 
I have an unpacked COD - Modern Warfare 2 in my room at my parent's lol and I recently re sold an xbox 360 controller I had ordered years ago with this game... and the xbox 360 but I have never seen the xbox luckily I've got a refund
 
7:17 PM
@PauloCereda @texlearner Why sorry? You can combine latexmk with arara. This automation isn't part of the idea.
 
@MarcoDaniel Oh we have a rule for latexmk!
 
@PauloCereda Did Brent write one?
 
@MarcoDaniel He did, I forgot. :)
 
@PauloCereda ;-)
 
7:38 PM
Does anyone know the movie Iron Sky? I saw the trailer in iTunes and I can't decide.
 
@MarcoDaniel Doesn't ring a bell for me. :(
 
@PauloCereda No? I read some comments and the movie has a positive customer rating
 
@MarcoDaniel I just watched the trailer right now. My thoughts were: "What the heck I just watched?" Randomness at its best. :)
 
@PauloCereda I had the same thoughts ;-)
What do you think. Should I rent this movie?
 
@MarcoDaniel Go for it. :) Then you can tell me the plot later on. :P
@MarcoDaniel: Great, an email from iTunes... in German. <3
 
7:56 PM
@PauloCereda Did you get the link to the German movie?
 
@MarcoDaniel Yep. :) I'll take a look, thanks. :)
 
@PauloCereda You can watch the video in English too.
 
@MarcoDaniel :)
 
It's a good practise for me. In such trash movies they speak very simple
 
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