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12:03 AM
@percusse :-)
Oh boy, I'm so tired I can't tope prply. Must :wq and stop thinking about things exploding. They can do some more exploding tomorrow.
 
@NicolaTalbot ooh I saw Vim there! :)
 
@NicolaTalbot :wq? Anathema!
 
@PauloCereda I confess. I'm a hardened vim user ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay! <3
 
12:07 AM
@percusse LOL
The last South Park episode had Morgan Freeman explaining stuff. :)
 
@PauloCereda I think it's this one
 
@PauloCereda BTW don't worry, it's not the little duck getting blown up, just in case you were worrying ;-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Phew! :)
 
Night!
 
12:10 AM
@NicolaTalbot Good night
 
@NicolaTalbot Good night! :)
@percusse Actually no, it was during the episode. :)
 
@PauloCereda ah I see. but it's a quite succesful immitation.
 
@percusse: Not sure I follow: (3,2)?
 
@percusse Indeed. :)
 
@PeterGrill I mean you can just put them via normal node placement no?
Also you can continue filling another row instead of a new matrix but never mind. Maybe OP has a different plan for these
 
12:17 AM
@percusse Ohhh, damm you. First you teach me the ([shift=]) synatax so I stop using calc, now that I finally learned below of= you want me to go back to manual placement!!! :-)
Actually manually coordinate may not work as it depends on the matrix, Is that what you mean?
 
@PeterGrill I am the messenger from the manual to you :)
@PeterGrill For two nodes I don't think you need any complication since they are the same size but you are right below is safer.
 
@percusse Well, damnn it, tell that to the OP!! He perfers a manual shift..
 
@PeterGrill Yep, that's indeed a little weird.
 
kan
Trello, now with +Dropbox! Go check out!
 
@percusse I am starting to think that the people asking the questions have absolutely no idea that I am trying desperately to keep up with @DavidCarlisle. Either that, or they know that and David has secretly bribed them to make sure that they accept other solutions!! :-)
 
12:27 AM
@PeterGrill Heheh, there is blood on the shipout.
 
@percusse Not familiar with the phrase "blood on the shipout"?
 
@PeterGrill Because I just made it up. shipping out every TeX page during the compilation etc. never mind it didn't work :)
 
kan
@PeterGrill Bribe? I am sure he has taught them Emacs classes and then he hacks into it popping messages about which answers they'd accept! Being ardent devotees of Emacs that David has brought onto them, they oblige.
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@percusse I got the "shipout" reference, just not the rest.
@kan :-)
 
kan
1:02 AM
Hunting has hunted his bue back.
 
user19161
@kan blue, not bue
 
kan
Blame Black.
 
@PeterGrill In \pgfmathparse{-0.2*veclen{\tikzlastnode.west,\tikzlastnode.east}}\pgfmathresult veclen expects dimensions such as the x or y components. It doesn't understand the coordinates.
You can instead use !0.2!,!0.4! ... to divide the node into five and draw straight lines.
 
@percusse Damm that is so obvious. Thanks...
 
1:19 AM
off to bed! later guys.
 
 
2 hours later…
3:13 AM
@StephanLehmke @MarcoDaniel: I think, this thread with Markus Kohm’s view is worth reading (for other readers, it’s written in German, Markus Kohm is the KOMA-Script developer): Seitennummern im Anhang | KOMA-Script Documentation Project, and also in komascript.de/node/1652#comment-4349 beginning with “Das Paket lastpage ist nur bedingt geeignet, …”.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:09 AM
Sorry, don't know else to put this, but WTF?
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Q: is Pi a static number?

Randall McKayWhat I mean is, is pi, 3.14 on the up, or the down. Is it being added to or subtracted against? If it is never ending, it has to be in motion where we cannot find its end. Where does it go? Other numbers seem to have a stopping point, but do they really? Aren't all numbers based on something that...

Resisted putting the WTF comment on the question itself... Wasn't easy...
First time I have actually laughed out loud on Math.SE...
 
 
2 hours later…
7:23 AM
@Speravir Interesting comments.
 
7:48 AM
@PeterGrill WTF? :D
 
@tohecz I assume you are agreeing with me, and not asking what WTF means? Quite a hilarious question I think...
 
@PeterGrill yes, sorry, I know what WtF means, I just don't understand the question at all :D
 
The comments are good too..
Yeah, but I would never have thought that math could be hilarious...
I think I should try to repoen that one just to get some more laughs.
 
@PeterGrill you dont' have enough rep there, do you?
 
@tohecz No I don't.. I wouldn't actually do, just would be thinking that it would be fun just for the reactions...
 
8:01 AM
@PeterGrill yeah. Btw, this one is hilarious, too:
2
Q: Inside out and backwards - more than a question of underwear....

Ariel  RathbunWhile I am not a mathematician, I find a fascination for motion and 3D space. Lately this idea keeps turning over. Each time I put my underwear on and find the back label correctly in back but find the pants are inside out ( or vice verse) I watch the process of turning them back to inside in but...

 
@tohecz Yeah, but that one is actually related to a real math issue -- Am sure @AndrewStacey can comment on that. The one I linked to definitely was a WTF.
 
@JosephWright: Is this a bug in biblatex? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/83038/…
I tried the following to display the entrykey:
% arara: pdflatex
% arara: biber
% arara: pdflatex
% arara: pdflatex

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{filecontents}
\usepackage[style=numeric,backend=biber]{biblatex}
\addbibresource{\jobname.bib}
\begin{filecontents}{\jobname.bib}
@article{key1,
author = {Author, John},
title  = {Title},
journal =  {A Journal},
year = 2012,
}
@article{key2,
author = {Author2, John},
title  = {Title},
journal =  {A Journal},
year = 2012,
}
\end{filecontents}
\DeclareFieldFormat*{note}{\textbf{#1}:~\texttt{\thefield{entrykey}}}
 
@PeterGrill Could, but on the whole would rather not.
 
@AndrewStacey :-) I just meant that it was more math related than the PI one....
 
8:52 AM
hmmm pie. :)
 
@PauloCereda You are awake. What happened?
 
@MarcoDaniel Me? I always wake up early. :)
 
@PauloCereda Early? What time is it?
 
@MarcoDaniel Almost 7AM. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-(
 
8:59 AM
@MarcoDaniel Did you watch the movie? :)
 
@PauloCereda Not yet. I only downloaded the movie.
 
kan
@PauloCereda Have you heard of the university of Siena?
 
@kan I only know the name of the institution.
 
kan
@PauloCereda OK! I asked because we have a visitor from there! And, I attended a talk she give! Pioneer research in Incidence Geometry, you know!
should. cut. down. on. exclamations. !.
 
@kan How nice! :)
 
kan
9:13 AM
And, she was very willing to explain the terms to me; I was the sole undergrad there. So, I was very happy about it.
(I did not follow quite a bit of the talk but she tried her best.)
 
I have an English question: When something makes you angry, you sometimes start to shake your body in anger. I'm sure there's a word for this in English. (I hope you get what I mean)
 
9:41 AM
@tohecz probably I'd use "shake in (or with) anger" if it's with fear you could use quiver instead of shake but I can't think of a better word than shake this morning:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, I solved it by a completely different word inbetween, but thanks, I know more know ;)
BTW: Document header extract:
\def\chem#1{\mathrm{#1}}
\def\overS{\rm\overline{S}}
\def\overC{\rm\overline{C}\xspace}
\def\alto{\;\;\to\;\;}
\def\bdot{\makebox[0pt][l]{\raisebox{-1.0ex}[20pt]{$~\cdot$}}}

\def\C{$^{\circ}\mathrm{C}$\xspace}
\def\um{$\mu$m\xspace}
\def\mm{m$^2$\xspace}
\def\mmn{m$^2$}
\def\mmm{m$^3$\xspace}
\def\mmmn{m$^3$}
\def\cmmm{cm$^3$\xspace}
\def\wcr{{\it w/c}\xspace}
\def\Wcr{{\it W/c}\xspace}
\def\wcrs{{\it w/c}s\xspace}
\def\Wcr{{\it W/c}\xspace}
\def\wbr{{\it w/b}\xspace}
Do you notice the number that the author (falsely) considers as a part of macro name?
and this is good, too:
\end{multicols}
\begin{mytable}
\centerline{
\begin{tabular}{|l|l|l|l||l|l|l|}
...
\end{tabular}
}
\end{mytable}
\begin{multicols}{2}
 
@tohecz \it and \rm ?? Why this?
 
@MarcoDaniel and why eqnarray, \tiny inside a table etc. (it's not my code, FYI)
 
@tohecz ;-)
 
@MarcoDaniel and using \mu is bad for micro-, \textmu looks much better
 
kan
9:53 AM
@tohecz Oh! I did not know.
 
@kan of course, you don't say \textit{m}m for milimetres, so you should not use italic mu for micro
 
GTK
good morning/evening
 
(Actually, in some branches of science, um is widely tolerated for micrometres. Before you ask, they mostly publish in Word.)
 
kan
@tohecz Makes sense.
@tohecz they mostly publish in word Period.
 
@GTK hello!
 
GTK
9:58 AM
i am trying (and failing) to use a conditional
i have a diagram in tikz (its an illustration for students of $\phi$ and $\psi$ angles in protein structures
i want to draw an arc, but only when the angle is large enough that the arc can be drawn reasonably.
i have a minimal example in a gist gist.github.com/4094540
the second drawing shows the failure
i've been trying to address it with a conditional, but don't understand how the different conditional forms in TeX / eTeX and etoolbox work
not sure if i should post this as a question on the board
 
@GTK You are trying to do an integer comparison with a real number :-(
 
GTK
the > is an integer comparison?
 
Easy way out \ifdim\drawarcangle pt>0pt
@GTK No, \ifnum
 
GTK
@Joseph, thanks!
 
GTK
10:07 AM
oh, thanks. That was the article I was looking at, but apparently in the wrong part of it :(
that's really helpful, thank you
 
kan
Hmm, what is this JabRef error: "Save failed while creating back up. Continue to save without creating back up?" What back up was Jabref trying to create?
 
@kan A .bak file, probably.
 
@kan With the standard settings, it always creates a .bak when you save
 
kan
So, how do I let that happen? I think the problem is because in the directory I am having the .bib file. I don't have write permission...
(or is it something I need not worry about? just change the default and move on?)
 
KOMA experts: I wonder if I can set up KOMA-specific options outside \documentclass. I'd like to remove abstract=true from \documentclass[abstract=true]{scrreprt}. Is there any other switch? :)
 
10:18 AM
@DavidCarlisle "tremble" comes to mind
 
@StephanLehmke oh yes, good job someone here knows the english language
 
@DavidCarlisle "Shiver"? Or "shudder"?
 
@PauloCereda Of course
\KOMAoptions
Here an example
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Q: Is there an easy way to have my whole document with a space between paragraphs rather than indentation?

ViviI would like to have my whole document showing a blank line (or space) between paragraphs and no indentation. I know how to do it line by line, but is there a way to change that with just one or a few lines at the beginning of the document? Like a package you can install, or a new command?

 
@egreg actually all these including tremble have connotations of fear (or cold in the case of shiver) convulse perhaps is the nearest to @tohecz description.
 
@DavidCarlisle but shiver seems to be a good word for what I wanted to explain. The problem is, "fear" isn't the exact feeling, but my English vocabulary is not good enough to allow me being more specific
btw: find 4 mistakes in the following code:
\def\wcr{{\it w/c}}
... we get \wcr~=~0.0004$\pm$0.0001
 
10:37 AM
@tohecz This can go in my "gallery of horrors".
 
kan
Have I contributed to it? :)
 
@egreg it can, just change wcr = w/c to something else like lgr = l/g
 
@kan It has a good school of mathematics, particularly in Logic. Norbert Preining did a post-doc there.
@kan And don't ask "who is Norbert Preining?" :) The creator of tlmgr, if you need to know. :)
 
kan
@egreg Thank you. I googled this time. :)
 
@MarcoDaniel ooh Danke!
Dude, this KOMA thingy is awesome.
\begin{jihad} I'm thinking of replacing memoir by KOMA in the arara manual. \end{jihad}
 
kan
10:47 AM
You know what Jihad means?
It is a highly controversial word here in India!
 
If I'm not mistaken, it means effort, struggle.
@kan Really? Why?
 
kan
@PauloCereda In the recent days, it has been strongly associated with Terrorism. Apparently, the Holy Quran has some saying to the effect that Muslims must involve themselves in Jihad in praise of Lord Allah. The extremist Hindu organisations use this as a cue and misinterpret this and play politics out of it in unimaginable ways
 
@kan Oh. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be offensive. :(
 
@PauloCereda LOL -- Open a new trello card
I will vote for KOMA
 
@MarcoDaniel Brent will kill me. :)
 
kan
10:54 AM
@PauloCereda Oh. No!!! I am not offended at all! I was just telling you so that you'd know. Please don't be upset.
 
@PauloCereda I think so
 
kan
Well, my first question missed a smiley. :) -- I think. :)
 
@kan Thanks. :) I knew jihad as a crusade in support of a cause, but I was unaware of its recent conotation.
@MarcoDaniel: If we vote for KOMA, I think there'll be a very strong German influence in the project. :)
@MarcoDaniel: you are the KOMA expert, tell me, is there a more elegant way of achieving this:
\titlehead{\begin{center}
\Large University Name Here
\end{center}}
It doesn't look "right" to me.
Although it works. :)
 
kan
11:09 AM
JSTOR search in JabRef sucks! :(
 
@JosephWright: speaking of JabRef, and out of curiosity, what does the "Enable biblatex mode" do exactly? :)
@kan Coming next on arara 4.0: a powerful BibTeX extractor! :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Paulo rocks! Looking forward to it! :)
 
@kan Me? No, far from it. "I have no special talent. I am only passionately curious." (Einstein). :)
Maybe not in arara, but in another tool. :)
Dibs on the name, anyone? :P
 
kan
Woodpecker?
 
oooh! :)
 
11:47 AM
@PauloCereda At least it gives access to biblatex fields, such as online, from the GUI.
 
@TorbjørnT. Ah how nice! :)
 
12:11 PM
@PauloCereda I'm still trying to understand that too.
 
@percusse :)
 
@kan Unfortunately it's Jstor that sucks, I've been talking to some online app developers about a similar issue and most journals are not willing to provide hooks or possibility to parse the search queries.
Also not surprisingly, IEEE doesn't let you download the citation data if you are not behind the paywall. Even though it would be beneficial for them because I'll probably cite that item and increase the infamous impact factor (that's why I want the citation data) they don't allow it.
 
@percusse yeah, I'm really glad that I publish in Maths where we have MathSciNet.
 
@tohecz It seems that the publication offices are really disconnected from academia and it's very simple needs (the other way around is also true)
 
@percusse I know that feeling.
 
12:19 PM
@percusse yeah, this sucks. There's only one solution: Make everybody share their bibdata on their websites in a standard format (BibTeX). That would at least allow you to just google people's webpages and get the correct information.
 
@tohecz I'm still doing the New Entry from Plain Text opion in JabRef :)
 
@percusse yeah. That's why the eprint versions of the articles in journal I typeset have a standard-form citation of themselves on the very top ;) (well, this will apply since the year 2013)
 
We need to make a "Scumbag IEEE" meme.
And a "Good guy BibTeX" meme.
 
@PauloCereda I'm afraid the bosses of the journals are still from the Peter Parker's boss era. They probably see this online thingy as a bonus feature.
What do you think about tihs? blogs.plos.org/mfenner/2011/11/08/…
:)
 
@percusse Gladly, there're people who aren't evaluated by impact factor of their acrticles, and these people choose quality reviewed journals that are not impact-factored, but are open-access
 
12:28 PM
@percusse To be honest, the solution for a unique identifier is quite easy, but I think people don't want to be responsible for their bibliographic data. :)
 
@tohecz We have prepared one article and are about to submit to intechopen.com/journals/show/…
 
Sadly, things always reduce to
The principle of least effort is a broad theory that covers diverse fields from evolutionary biology to webpage design. It postulates that animals, people, even well designed machines will naturally choose the path of least resistance or "effort". It is closely related to many other similar principles: see Principle of least action or other articles listed below. This is perhaps best known or at least documented among researchers in the field of library and information science. Their principle states that an information seeking client will tend to use the most convenient search method, in t...
 
@PauloCereda In case of confusion barcode people :)
 
@percusse LOL I love it. :)
 
@percusse nice :)
 
12:31 PM
I once QRCode'd an abstract from a paper of mine and put it into a card. For every person that asked me for more info on the paper, I gave the card. :)
 
@PauloCereda These are the barcodes about.orcid.org It will again be like what's your ICQ number?
 
@PauloCereda But it applies even more. People (strangely) consider the "least acceptable effort" to be "have an article", and not to "make people read my acrticle" and "make people cite my article"
 
'Lo! :-)
 
@tohecz Indeed.
 
@NicolaTalbot 'I!
 
12:33 PM
@NicolaTalbot Hi! :)
 
(oh, it probably doesn't woek, I mean: Hi! ;) )
 
@percusse ooh I seek you! <3
BTW, I learned a new British expression! Ta ta!
 
@PauloCereda Ooh, don't get me started. We're a little peeved with a certain journal who will remain nameless.
 
@PauloCereda "tata" = "daddy" is Ostrava accent of Czech language. In other Czech accents it's "táta"
 
@NicolaTalbot :)
@tohecz ooh!
 
12:36 PM
@PauloCereda Have you heard TTFN (ta ta for now)?
 
@NicolaTalbot Then BibTeX will complain about missing publication title field :)
 
@NicolaTalbot You really said "journal who " ?
 
@NicolaTalbot No, I'll add it to my list of cool expressions! :)
@tohecz 10 bucks on Elsevier. :)
Or my beloved ACM. :P
 
@PauloCereda I don't mean this, I mean the pronoun "who" -- I would say "that" or "which"
 
@tohecz o.O
 
12:39 PM
@tohecz Hmm. I may need another cup of coffee.
 
Seen on c.t.t.
Patrick Gundlach and Marco Daniel submitted an update to the

  lshort-german

package.


Location on CTAN: /info/lshort/german
Summary description: Complete overhaul of the German short introduction to LaTeX
License type: opl

Announcement text:
----------------------------------------------------------------------

The German short introduction to LaTeX has been enhanced in many ways to reflect
the curent selection of packages and practices (encodings, listings, math).

----------------------------------------------------------------------
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@NicolaTalbot I'm not complaining, only "learning by experience"
 
Good work @topskip and @MarcoDaniel
6
 
@JosephWright yAY!
@JosephWright Who? :)
I keep telling you guys: Germans are awesome. :)
 
@NicolaTalbot so to make sure. Is it correct or not?
 
12:41 PM
 
@tohecz I'll consult Strunk and White.
 
@PauloCereda Oh I'm waiting for the Nespresso special capsules for christmas time :)
 
@percusse Oh my! :)
 
George Clooney asked for some pocket money so I'm gonna help him
 
@JosephWright do you (as well as me) consider it unfair that the stars go to someone who points out something, and not the author of that thing? :)
 
12:43 PM
@percusse LOL
He Batman, beware.
 
@PauloCereda Is this Lungo or ristretto? with a throat voice of Batman
 
@percusse LOL
 
@tohecz One of them is mine. I tend to mark things that would fit on the list to the right :)
Also the names are visible heheh
 
@percusse It was somehow a joke, I consider too these things to fit there.
 
@tohecz No problem.
 
12:47 PM
@tohecz :-)
 
and today's question is what exactly does happen if you \protect an opening brace in the middle of hyperref internals in xelatex....
\section[\texorpdfstring{\protect{\Large तृतीयः\ सर्गः\ -\ गुरूपसत्तिः}}{III. Gurūpasattiḥ}]{\protect{{\huge तृतीयः\ सर्गः}}}.
 
@DavidCarlisle brace won't open?
 
@DavidCarlisle Bad things happen?
 
@JosephWright did you think of that yourself, or quote my comment to the OP?
 
Wii U launches tomorrow in US, and around July 2013 here. Thanks Nintendo.
@JosephWright please be an explosion
 
12:50 PM
@DavidCarlisle Just a guess ;-)
@PauloCereda Are these things any good?
 
@JosephWright well we chose exactly the same words, clearly L3 group-think at work
 
@JosephWright It has HD, finally! :)
 
@PauloCereda Wasn't quite what I meant: are these game things any good?
@PauloCereda At a complete tangent, we were talking yesterday about Christmas celebrations around the world. What happens in Brazil?
 
@tohecz "who" refers to a person or people, so if you consider the journal as a collective group of editors etc, I'd say "who" applies. "That" is defining or restrictive and "which" is non-defining and non-restrictive. S&W: "Careful writers, watchful for small conveniences, go which-hunting, remove the defining whiches, and by doing so improve their work."
 
@JosephWright Well, I'm not a PC game fan. :) I'd say, for people that likes console games, it's a lot of fun. :)
 
12:53 PM
@NicolaTalbot that/which has varied over time, though
 
@percusse well at times \protect is \noexpand in which case it will do nothing as { doesn't expand but at other times it is \string which would not be good as (at best) you'll get a { character typeset and an error when it gets to the } but most likely TeX will get completely confused.
 
@JosephWright We've been always taught that they're the same.
@NicolaTalbot but tell me what other function than "defining" or "restrictive" does "which" have
 
@DavidCarlisle it's the latter in this case I guess :)
 
@JosephWright I think it's like people passing on their bad LaTeX habits to their friends ;-)
 
@percusse well I'm not sure because the bookmarks are going to fall over the unicode string anyway. I suppose I should try executing on a machine instead of in my head.
 
12:56 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-) I think you need more vanilla
 
Anyways, see you later!
 
@tohecz later!
 
@tohecz "which" can be either a pronoun or a determiner.
@tohecz Bye
 
@NicolaTalbot yeah, I think I found myself an example of a correct usage. Bye.
 
I don't suppose anyone has tried this have they, I'm wondering if the temptation is strong enough to risk seriously messing up my tablet...
 
1:00 PM
@JosephWright Due to the tropical weather, most of the Christmas analogies - snow, fireplace, cold, carols - doesn't work here. :) We usually have a very hot holiday. People use to exchange gifts and reunite to lunch. In the eve, nothing much happens, apart from going to the Missa do galo, which is a mass celebrated at midnight - in my region, we don't have it at midnight but at 8PM. After coming home, we have a little supper, and my cats always get a bigger piece of the roast chicken. :)
Since my family is very small, we don't have a big reunion.
 
@PauloCereda Do you have the candles at the missa do galo? I once set my hair on fire in church with one of them.
 
@NicolaTalbot Ouch, I'm sorry to hear. :( Since my parish is very small, and the church is also small, we opted for not having burning candles during the masses, apart from the Paschal candle. I'm in charge of the song liturgy, so I'm really worried when people try to hold and manage songbooks and candles, specially in processions. :) I remember the thurible had a problem one day, and the fire was very intense. And one day a seminarist got his tunic burned. :)
 
1:18 PM
@PauloCereda Ow! At least I managed to pat my hair out quickly (there's a lot of it!) But a lingering singed smell followed me about for several days :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Uh-oh. :)
 
Hmm, one of the evil henchmen has just caught fire. Is he completely on fire or just partly? (Sorry, glossaries, you're going to have to wait your turn.)
Oh, I get so easily distracted!
 
@kan The paper is now typeset with the TG Pagella Math font (and unicode-math).
Now that rep cap has been hit, I can devote myself to watch the two matches. Italy is going to play New Zealand in a rugby test match: I'm already shivering (or trembling or shuddering). Then Juventus will play Lazio.
 
1:37 PM
@egreg Yay, I'll try to watch both! :)
 
2:29 PM
0
Q: How to improve listings display of JSON files?

polemonI was wondering if there is a good way for JSON files to be listed with the listings package. The only language definition I could come up with, is this: \lstdefinelanguage{json} { morestring=[b]", morestring=[d]' } Now, this highlights the strings used in JSON files, but the importan...

Guys, I'm afraid there's nothing much to recommend here. JSON is basically made of strings and numbers. :(
(JSON is a subset of YAML, which is "fancier" for syntax highlighting)
 
2:47 PM
Hi i am a bit confused about the answer in

[ref](http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/83037/difference-between-ref-varioref-and-cleveref-decision-for-a-thesis)

"at a minimum, use \cref and friends (from cleveref) in favour of \ref. " was it meant via verse?
:( i could not get the link properly in my message, now i have a "time over" can someone help me?
 
@JonasStein If you want the link to show up, post it on it's own:
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Q: Difference between ref, varioref and cleveref. Decision for a thesis

Jonas SteinHow can one make a quick decision what the best "ref" for a thesis in pdflatex with hyperref is? After a few hours reading I do not know more than ref is used by everyone who does not know about the other ~ref and works stable varioref somehow works together with hyperref makes sometimes trou...

 
ok i try
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Q: Difference between ref, varioref and cleveref. Decision for a thesis

Jonas SteinHow can one make a quick decision what the best "ref" for a thesis in pdflatex with hyperref is? After a few hours reading I do not know more than ref is used by everyone who does not know about the other ~ref and works stable varioref somehow works together with hyperref makes sometimes trou...

ohhh so easy...
thank you.
 
3:08 PM
The questioner who uses Linux needs additional help here tex.stackexchange.com/a/82619/19356
 
3:22 PM
@PauloCereda Do you remember the location of the indenting tool of @cmhughes ?
ah found it...
Aug 24 at 18:42, by cmhughes
#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

# scalar variables
my $defaultindent="\t";
my $line='';
my $delimeters=0;

# array variables
my @indent=();
my @lines=();
my @block=();

# hash lookup variables
#
# if you don't want to indent an environment
# put it in this hash table
my %noindent=("pccexample"=>1,
"pccdefinition"=>1,
"problem"=>1,
"exercises"=>1,
"pccsolution"=>1,
"widepage"=>1,
"document"=>1,
);

# if we have rules for particular environments
my %indentrules=("axis"=>" ");

# environments that have tab delimeters
 
4:16 PM
Does anybody know what's the Debian package for the CM-Super fonts?
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Q: pdflatex renders document with all dashes in bold

mariaI have proceeded a new installation of LaTeX (in a new system: Ubuntu 12.04), I was installing from tug.org. Previously I was using TeX Live installed by apititude, on Ubuntu 10.04. I'm using Kile as editor, xdvi for dvi, Okular for pdf files. In all my LaTeX files I was using encoding utf-8x (...

 
4:46 PM
@JosephWright Thanks! I (and I guess @marcodaniel as well) are proud of the outcome. Still lots of places where we could do better, but thats always the case
 
@topskip Now somebody has to translate it into English. ;-)
 
@egreg glad that there is a l2short in English - good, free and up to date German ressources are still lacking
 
@PauloCereda perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment? the literate key can be used.
 
5:01 PM
@GonzaloMedina No, you are right. :) I actually meant that the language has nothing much to be highlighted, apart from numbers, strings and braces. :)
 
@PauloCereda I see. By the way, Hi! :-)
 
@GonzaloMedina Hi Gonzalo! :)
 
Is there a suite out there that lets me compile and debug from inside vim?
 
@Gnintendo There's Vim-LaTeX: vim-latex.sourceforge.net
I like this plugin (not TeX-related): code.google.com/p/conque
@percusse: ^^
 
6:06 PM
@JosephWright Thanks. Documentations are alway an on going process
@topskip and I decided the upload. Changes can be done later too ;-)
 
6:21 PM
@egreg or Italian
 
@DavidCarlisle We could use Google Translate. :)
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Q: Beta testers needed for a new package, selnolig, that automates suppression of typographic ligatures

MicoI'm getting close to releasing a package, which I'm calling selnolig, that lets users suppress automatically typographic ligatures for selected words and word patterns, for both German and English language documents. For German language documents, the focus in on breaking up various f-ligatures -...

I sense a great blog post. :) We could invite Mico to write one. :)
 
6:37 PM
@PauloCereda Wow great stuff. We bought a quadrotor to test the control algorithms so it's also a nice coincidence :)
 
@percusse I wish our financing agency could give us something cool to play with. :)
 
@PauloCereda You can make it very cheap via some ATMELs and small motors. Though it becomes even more challenging :)
 
@percusse I want to build one that throws firecrackers at little children.
 
@PauloCereda hehehe, you can get funding from the military
 
@percusse :)
 
6:55 PM
@PauloCereda hmm M and I have been programming the mindstorms this afternoon but we don't have quite that level of control yet...
 
@DavidCarlisle Cool! What you are planning for the robot? :)
 
@PauloCereda we built a racing car:-) main innovation over the example robots is that it has power steering to the front wheels rather than tank steering which has fixed wheels but separate drive left and right, but the lego nxt-g programming environment is a little "unstable" it seems:-) basically the car works though:-) can drive it on automatic (not really working yet) or via bluetooth remote control from the tablet.
 
@DavidCarlisle How nice! :) Can we have some photos later on? :)
 
@PauloCereda Perhaps, I'll have to ask the lead project engineer.
 
@DavidCarlisle Ah ok. :)
 
 
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8:13 PM
@DavidCarlisle: So putting a command within another one causes expansion??? I was thinking of an edef solution for Using counters within \index{…}, but since two known experts did not mention that I am wondering if there is something wrong with that approach.
I just used the \edef approach for a similar issue in How to get a customized counter in enumerate environments and how to label and refer to the items? a few minutes ago, so just wanted to make sure there was not something I was missing there.
 
8:31 PM
Hi i am looking for a chatroom, where i can get help on creating a proposal for a new SX. Where can i get help?
area51 chat seems empty and i need 20 Points there
 
@PeterGrill edef was my first guess but it doesn't really work if you go \edef\tmp{\the\c@section}\index{...\tmp} it just writes \tmp into the idx file. It isn't that a macro argument causes expansion it just stops verb working because catcode changes have no effect once the input has been tokenised.
 
8:48 PM
@PauloCereda @StephanLehmke: I saw the movie Iron Sky. Yeah it's trash and most of the movie was in German with English subtitle. Ok the movie has some funny, but this isn't enough. Conclusion: I don't recommend this movie, especially for this price of 4,99€ for 48 hours.
 
9:09 PM
@PeterGrill well the issues are a bit different there. \edef isn't really supported of course and will fail if the enumi has any fragile commands in its definition. \protected@ederf would be safer.
 
kan
9:20 PM
@egreg Great! I like this font very much. :)
 
9:46 PM
@kan Also I do.
 
kan
Can I download that file?
 
@kan I've just uploaded a version with some cosmetic changes.
 
kan
OK. I shall wait! :)
 
10:01 PM
@JonasStein Hello! What proposal?
 
leo
10:29 PM
hello there!
 
kan
Hello @leo .
 
leo
:-)
I got a question
 
@leo Fire!
 
leo
when writing with the standard book class, how can I get the chapter title (namely Chapter 1521. Kool stuff) lonely in a page and the start of the chapter in the following page?
something like chaptertitlepage
 
@leo \newpage?
 
leo
10:35 PM
@egreg chapter{Something}\newpage?
 
@leo That's the simplest way. One might also add the \newpage to the code executed by \chapter.
 
@egreg hello
 
@maria I've opened a chatroom for your problem: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/6454/…
You can join there
 
leo
@egreg What I want is "Chapter 1. Something" centered in a page. To reach the centering I'm using sectsty package. How can I redefine chapter without ruining the action of that package?
 
@MarcoDaniel Thanks for the review. :)
BTW, hi! :)
I'm back from the mass.
 
10:40 PM
India 1st Innings
521 for 8 (160.0 overs)

England 1st Innings
191 all out (74.2 overs)

England 2nd Innings
111 for 0 (38.0 overs)
 
@PauloCereda hi, and actually, good night
 
@DavidCarlisle Yay! (I actually don't understand it)
 
leo
I've edited in order to avoid a double negation
 
@tohecz Hi Tom! :) And good night. :)
 
kan
@DavidCarlisle Sad day for England, huh?
 
10:42 PM
@kan Uh-oh. England lost?
 
@kan oh I was going to tell @PauloCereda it was all good news for England, he would have believed me:-)
@PauloCereda No (not yet:-)
 
kan
@PauloCereda No, this sort of goes on forever. But, England's first innings score is not encouraging. They have to catch up in this inning.
 
@DavidCarlisle I feel like an expanded macro. :)
@kan ooh!So there's hope. :)
 
kan
Yup. :)
 
@egreg's comment to "Why do some people still use TeX instead of LaTeX?" is fantastic:
The answer is "because they do"; why shouldn't they? — egreg 1 hour ago
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:)
 
10:44 PM
@PauloCereda obviously you'd expect the bbc to be upbeat and give england a chance of turning the game around, this is their assesment (there are still two days to go)
England are facing defeat in the first Test against India after another inept attempt at dealing with spin.
@PauloCereda I was wondering if I should answer that they need plain TeX for Christmas Carols.
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@kan: I'm gonna support England in cricket, and India in hockey. :)
@DavidCarlisle OMG please do it. :) Oh wait, it's closed. :)
look at the bells, look at the bells, lalalalala
I'm terrible at carols.
 
kan
@PauloCereda Indian Hockey Team is more or less History you know. sob (That is supposed to be our national game but looking at the state of affairs, I cannot be more wrong than right if I said it is becoming a national shame.)
 
@kan Oh my, really? Harish told me it was India's national game.
 
kan
@PauloCereda Indeed. But, no proper support for the players.
 
At least you guys can beat Brazil at hockey (I don't even think we have a hockey team). :)
 
kan
10:49 PM
@PauloCereda Corruption, ya know.
 
@kan I can relate to that. Our ministry of sports only gives money to football. Other sports struggle to survive. A young Brazilian won the gymnastics rings competition at London 2012. The poor guy had no sponsor whatsoever, and had to pay for his own material.
 
kan
@PauloCereda That is an achievement for that young man! I am sure, now the ministry will be turning his way.
 
@DavidCarlisle I'm more inclined to our neighbours' team, Las leonas. :)
 
@PauloCereda watched some women's hockey during the olympics, far too violent (one of the english players got her jaw smashed (she was back playing with it all held together with pins by the end of the week:(
 
10:56 PM
@kan Sadly I don't think so. :( Football is the word around here, and even with football, there's too much corruption. And the cities are not prepared to host a World Cup. I'm really worried for next year with my frequent trips to São Paulo, the city will be a chaos, specially during the Confederations Cup.
@DavidCarlisle Women's volleyball is better. :)
 
kan
@PauloCereda Do you drive to Sao Paulo or trains take you?
 
@kan I once tried to drive to São Paulo, but the city is far too complicated without a GPS. :) Now I only take public transportation. Sadly Brazil doesn't have passengers trains anymore. It's a shame. :(
 
kan
@PauloCereda Uh-oh! I can imagine!
 
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