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A: Rotate every letter/character by 90 deg, keeping left-to-right letterflow intact

Heiko OberdiekThis solution is based on soul. \srotate takes the text and rotates the tokens, centered at the math axis. Because of the rotation the side bearings are missing, thus the code adds .05ex around the letters, hyphens get a little more space. \documentclass{article} \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} \usepac...

Ophthalmology exam level 11.
 
12:47 AM
@PauloCereda :-) Surprising how hard that is to read -- would not have expected that without seeing it.
 
 
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2:05 AM
@PeterGrill Still here?
 
yep, waiting for a \tikzmark question. :-)
excellent answer by the way on the res nodes
 
@PeterGrill Thank you. :)
 
This one is waited enough to be TL IMHO
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Q: How to add axes in a magnified part of a graph using spy?

user12876My problem is the following. I would like to draw the (magnified) axes on the magnified area of spy. For instance, take the following example (from pgfplots.pdf, p.121): % Preamble: \pgfplotsset{width=7cm,compat=1.5.1} % requires \usetikzlibrary{spy} \begin{tikzpicture}[spy using outlines= {cir...

 
@percusse HuH? TL? Don't think you mean TeXLive??
 
@PeterGrill Too localized?
 
2:09 AM
The OP has not been back since June, but not sure that makes it too localized. Seems like a general question..
 
@PeterGrill Anyway, I like your mathmodefootnote question.
 
@PeterGrill Christian's link and many others cover the request
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel I have been using \footnote in my internal doc for a long time and have soooo many errors that I am trying to clean them up, and found found that issue when I tried a quick fix..
@percusse Well, then in that case it would be a DU, not a TL.
 
Regarding the minipage: Footnotes in for example tabular and the like don't work out-of-the-box, neither. I guess, something similar applies here, too.
 
@PeterGrill correct. but we don't know what OP wants to close it with.
 
2:12 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yep, but I have them almost working... I don't mind the footnote being right after the minipage.
 
Regarding the Newton problem: The only idea I had was to use a counter to check how often it was tried to be typeset.
 
@percusse Good point. Guess it needs someone to start a process (either as a DU, or TL) and see what others say..
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hmmmm... It does seem to get the same label, which is surprising...
@Qrrbrbirlbel I had thought of storing the footnote text in a list, but your idea is better. Both probably won't work in the general case of a large document, but would be good enough for my use.
 
@PeterGrill There is also a problem if you use \label in a special way inside math mode so that you need to \let it to something else before and the other macro. I can only find an answer of my own, where I used it, but not the question I read that before.
It was related to the fact that the whole thing is processed more than once.
\newcounter{typesetMeOnce}
\makeatletter
\newcommand{\AlignFootnote}[1]{%
    \ifmeasuring@
    \else
%      \ifnum\value{typesetMeOnce}=0\relax
%        \stepcounter{typesetMeOnce}
        \footnote{#1}%
%      \fi
    \fi
}
\makeatother
@PeterGrill I used the now commented-out part.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Passing that on to my QA department now...
 
It will need a reset to 0 (and the \stepcounter outside of that \ifnum) so that it works the next time, and will fail with more than one footnote …
 
2:20 AM
Sorry, QA dept rejected it. Something about getting the same results as before...
 
Quality Assurance, testing...
OK, I am going to have to fire my entire QA department!! :-) Your solution works fine except for the case you mentioned of having more than one footnote.
Just needed to uncomment things..
I think the thing to do would be to keep a list of the footnotemarks, but not sure how to get those... But if the same mark counter is not incremented, that is where the logic should be?
 
Okay, now I get sometimes three footnotes but without a mark (the a), this is weird...
ah, oh, that is weird
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsmath}

\newcounter{typesetMeOnce}
\makeatletter
\newcommand{\AlignFootnote}[1]{%
%    \ifnum\value{typesetMeOnce}>0\relax
%      \setcounter{typesetMeOnce}{0}
%    \fi
    \ifmeasuring@
    \else
%      \ifnum\value{typesetMeOnce}=0\relax
        \footnote{#1}%
%      \fi
      \stepcounter{typesetMeOnce}
    \fi
}
\makeatother
\begin{document}
\begin{minipage}{0.5\linewidth}
\begin{align*}
    F &= mb   &&\text{Newton\AlignFootnote{\thetypesetMeOnce\ also seems wrong for some reason.}}
 
At least you are heading in the right direction...
 
The counter typesetMeOnce should increase every time, shouldn't it?
So apparently, the content of a math environment is executed once, but processed four times …
@PeterGrill Well, I always try to solve TeX's mystery on my own ways. I'm sure knowing the underlying processes one can fix this easily ...
 
2:34 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel WTF??
@Qrrbrbirlbel Using your knowledge of the underlying process to fix TeX issues is really cheating, deciphering it by trial and error is the gentlemanly way to go.
 
@PeterGrill Yeah, well … next idea: using the equation number to check if we processed an equation before. :)
(And then a few more ideas to get it working with more than one footnote.)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Ahhh, that might work... but is there still one in align*?
@Qrrbrbirlbel Better hurry, I am sure David Carlisle is going to pop in soon to get some rep before going to bed. :-)
 
@PeterGrill Erm, yeah, the problem is, that the equation counter doesn't get incremented, so the next one will fail.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel So then align* does not increment the counter? Or are you referring to across multiple align environments
 
@PeterGrill Yes, all starred environments don't increment the counter, so at the next equation/environment we will see still the old value in our own macro that we used to check if we processed a footnote before.
Without unnumbered, equation, this could work (if TeX doesn't trick me again).
 
2:41 AM
@PeterGrill interesting question
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel I think we can handle it across different align* by incrementing a counter to count the number of align (but do recall egreg saying somewhere that patching align has to be done with care.
 
@PeterGrill what happens if you use \vbox or \parbox?
 
@cmhughes You mean instead of a minipage? Haven't tried.
oh, instead of \text?
@cmhughes OMG, I think \parbox does it...
 
@PeterGrill yes, instead of minipage; I assume you'll get similar results
@PeterGrill they're all 'vertical-box' like commands (at least in my uneducated eyes) :)
 
@cmhughes Good thing I misunderstood you, using \parbox instead of \text{} with @Qrrbrbirlbel came up with seems to be working....
This is sooooo close:
 
2:49 AM
Okay, you lost me now ...
 
    \documentclass{article}
    \usepackage{amsmath}

    \makeatletter
    \newcommand{\AlignFootnote}[1]{%
        \ifmeasuring@
        \else
            \footnote{#1}%
        \fi
    }
    \makeatother



    \begin{document}
    \begin{minipage}{0.5\linewidth}
    \begin{align*}
    	E &= mc^3 &&\parbox{3.0in}{Einstein}\AlignFootnote{Better check this.} \\
    	F &= mb   &&\parbox{3.0in}{Newton\AlignFootnote{This also seems wrong for some reason.}} \\
    \end{align*}
    \end{minipage}
    \end{document}
The first footnote mark is all the way to the right, otherwise this is pretty much working..
 
@PeterGrill If you use \usepackage{pbox} and than \pbox instead of \parbox.
\pbox uses the width only as maximum width.
 
Oh, that seem useful to have.
 
@PeterGrill Although, if you use it outside of \text you don't need \parbox anymore. Isn't that why you had \ifmeasuring@?
And as it appears, \vbox does the trick here, yes.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel The ` \ifmeasuring@` was to bypass the footnote during the measing phase of align, which would include any \text
@Qrrbrbirlbel \parbox{1.0em}{\AlignFootnote{}} works as well. Just needs a bit more testing...
 
3:00 AM
@PeterGrill Well, at least you're happy. Note to myself: Don't use footnotes in math environments. :)
 
You should post an answer...
 
@PeterGrill Interesting … \parbox{0em}{Newton\AlignFootnote{This also seems wrong for some reason.}} breaks New-ton into two lines …
 
I'd hurry and post an answer if I were you. I suspect that once @egreg or @DavidCarlisle get here they will tell why it is so wrong to do that!!
 
@PeterGrill Didn't cmhughes give you the tip about vbox/parbox?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yeah I see that problem in the MWE, but in my actual usage I only have the footnote...
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yeah he did, but I have not tried the \vbox so far, only the \parbox.
 
3:07 AM
And with \pbox I get two footnotes (with two marks!) :(
And \vbox does the job, but is as long as the line.
@Qrrbrbirlbel And I know why, because footnote gets processed to as the whole text gets measured. :(
What's the counter for the footnote?
\thefnmark?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel don't know, probbaly footnotecounter?
 
@PeterGrill It's \@thefnmark
\@thefnm@rk hadn't surprised me …
@PeterGrill Check my answer. I don't get an overfull box anymore but some boxes go outside the margin …
 
3:23 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Given how complicated we should have known that it would be named something like the fn m@rk:-)
@Qrrbrbirlbel checking now....
 
But still, a footnote that appears at the foot of the real page would be great.
@PeterGrill \doesnothing is a bad name (was initially just defined as {}).
And to clarify, I can't just use #1 to measure the width because than my footnote gets processed twice and we have b and c at the foot and c typeset.
@Qrrbrbirlbel Ah, ow, okay, using align instead of align* the equation numbers are halfway in the margin.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Turns out that doing nothing is not always easy: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/48072/….
It seems to be working..
 
@PeterGrill For starred math environments, yes.
Though, my measuring with \@thefnmark is still not okay as it uses (in our case) a instead of b, so incrementing would work.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel For the starred can you just do a kern-wd0 or something like that...
 
(And that will fail again if you use more than one footnote …)
Great! -_- \meaning\@thefnmark gets me \protect \itshape b.
 
3:35 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel If you are editing the answer, can you correct the formulas for the case where there is no footnote...
Otherwise someone might come by and think we changed the Laws of Physics.
 
@PeterGrill They were your formulas! But yes, I can.
Sometimes TeX is very funny.
Consider \newcommand*{\doesnothing}[1]{\@makefnmark}.
\LetLtxMacro\footnote\doesnothing does work without a problem. Letting \footnote to \@makefnmark gives me an overful hbox.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Yes, but I ONLY used them with the footnote, not without...
@Qrrbrbirlbel Huh?? That sure seems strange... Would be an interesting question..
Also, this lau-debug seems nice, was not aware of that either...
 
@PeterGrill Maybe because \footnote takes an argument and \@makefnmark doesn't?
@PeterGrill lau? Nothing is for "lau". ;)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hmmm.. perhaps..
 
@PeterGrill That package originated on TeX.SX!
 
3:42 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel but the debug requires Lau?
 
lua-visual-debug is like fireworks for TeXnicians! ;)
@PeterGrill Yes, it does.
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Q: How can I visualize boxes?

h0b0 This question led to a new package: lua-visual-debug Some of you may know the Web Developer Toolbar for Firefox that can outline the block level elements of a page like this: Is there a way to do something similar with TeX boxes for a complete document?

Where were I? Ah, yes, the footnote counter?
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel That question could really use a simple example showing that all you need is \usepackage{lua-visual-debug}.
What is the pi tag? Is that for circular questions? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/82795/…
 
@PeterGrill Haha :)
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Didn't know that new users could create tags -- that is the only question with that tag.
 
@PeterGrill Yes, you only need 300 rep.
 
3:51 AM
@Qrrbrbirlbel Hmmm, that threshold should probably be higher.
 
@PeterGrill Yes, of course. The footnote doesn't get typeset when you measure! :(
@PeterGrill And the next funny thing...
\newcommand{\AlignFootnote}[1]{%
	\ifmeasuring@%
		\@makefnmark%
	\else%
		\footnote{#1}\sbox0{\@makefnmark}\kern-\wd0%
	\fi
}
The first \@makefnmark gets me Undefined control sequence, the second works.
Kerning it is!
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Interesting...
 
@PeterGrill The culprit is \@thefnmark but still, it works inside the sbox... and using \footnote inside the true part works, too. This is so weird ...
 
Oppppssss, got so carried away with the fn m@rk that I forgot to eat dinner, be back shortly...
 
4:11 AM
@PeterGrill I have updated my answer, there are some comments in the code, things to improve. I'm sure my answer is obsolete by the time David or Enrico have read your question.
@PeterGrill Yes, and I forgot to go to bed (5:12 am here). \bye
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Wow, I guess I am not the only one who works late.. Good night, and thanks for your help.
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel And yes, I just checked, \@thefnmark is in fact undefined when math mode is measuring. :(
@PeterGrill Working would be nice. I'm procrastinating! :(
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel Well luckily for me, procrastinating is my work. :-)
 
4:27 AM
@PeterGrill I would love to get paid for compiling MWEs. :D
 
@Qrrbrbirlbel That would be an awesome job. Hey, what are you still doing up. Go brush your teeth and go to sleep...
 
@PeterGrill Yes, dad. Sure, dad. Sorry, dad. Good night, dad. :P
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:-)
 
 
2 hours later…
6:06 AM
@Werner: Sorry about that. I saw that you beat me by 3 seconds, but I had to change room as my battery on my Mac died. After getting back up, my answer was already accepted.. Probably due to the better image :-)
 
 
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7:45 AM
@PeterGrill The answer to the (silly, I'm afraid) question on footnotes is easier than @Qrrbrbirlbel's. :)
 
@egreg Why silly? Bad thing to do?
 
@PeterGrill Footnotes in math? Never. For each one of them you'll have at least three widow and two club lines in your document. ;-)
@PeterGrill Not to mention the drastic increase in the number of overfull boxes. :)
 
This is legacy code left over from my early days and is used only for internal documentation. Up until now I have left it with 4 repetitions of the footnotes, but decided to clean it up. I probably won't be using \footnotes at all in my real content...
Actually I do have a lot of overfull boxes but don't know how to find 'em. And they aren't small amounts either...
OMG... Breaking news everybody: I was able to improve a Heiko(TM) answer: Offset a symbol without changing layout. But sadly this might mean that I loose a green tick. Still was worth it I think. :-)
 
@PeterGrill It's too late: you had footnotes to math in those documents, so they will never be paginated correctly. It's an ancient curse, whose origin is unknown but is attributed to Gutenberg himself or Manuzio. :)
 
@egreg :-)
 
7:58 AM
@PeterGrill Train's calling at Verona. See you later.
 
ttyl. Thanks again...
 
8:23 AM
@PauloCereda Okay. Thanks.
Oh, btw good morning!
 
8:33 AM
@NicolaTalbot 'ello, morning! :)
6:34AM here, yay! :)
 
8:47 AM
@PauloCereda Don't you ever sleep?
It's 8:48AM here and I'm struggling to keep my eyes open!
 
@NicolaTalbot Sometimes. :) I like to wake up very early in the morning. :)
 
@PauloCereda I think I've destroyed at least 2 alarm clocks for having the audacity to wake me.
 
@NicolaTalbot Oh! :)
I have two "natural clocks" here. When my cats want food in the morning, they wake me. :)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
Yay, I've nearly reached 700 rep. Just 304 more to go before I reach 1000 :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Yay! We will have a party here, with balloons and lots of hats. :)
 
8:56 AM
@NicolaTalbot Should I start worrying? :)
 
@PauloCereda That will be fun :-)
@egreg :-)
Yay, I'm over 700. I'm on a roll!
 
@PauloCereda All made with TikZ (except David's who will make his with picture).
 
@egreg So true! :)
 
Hi all
 
@hpesoj626 Hello! :)
@egreg: you are only 101 badges far from 1k badges! :)
 
9:04 AM
@egreg I think it will take me a long time to catch up with you :-)
 
@PauloCereda Only?
 
@egreg You earn at least 5 "Nice answer" 's a day. :)
 
@PauloCereda Oh, far from it!
@NicolaTalbot Just keep an average over 230 a day and you'll eventually catch me. :P
 
@egreg Thinks: hmm, need to find people to post lots of glossaries or datatool questions every day
 
Oh my, I noticed I have two ducks in my applications folder: Adium and Cyberduck! :)
 
9:19 AM
@NicolaTalbot By the way, thanks for having solved the problem with numbers in Italian in fmtcount. :)
 
@egreg By passing the buck to itnumpar? :-)
 
@NicolaTalbot Of course! ;-)
 
@egreg :-) Thanks for your reply. on c.t.t. (That was you, wasn't it?)
 
Guys, Henrique started a project porting ABNT styles to biblatex: bitbucket.org/hbpasti/biblatex-abnt
 
@NicolaTalbot I guess so.
 
10:10 AM
@egreg :-)
Cheerio everyone. I'm off to see my illustrator to talk about hedgehogs and ducks, hats and araras, and 1920s yeggs from St Louis :-)
 
 
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11:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle: my emacs experience is going fine so far. :)
 
@PauloCereda on ios?
 
@DavidCarlisle Not yet, my iPad is en route - as well as my 3DS! :)
 
@PauloCereda ah.
 
@DavidCarlisle We could name emacs for Mac as macmacs. :)
 
12:12 PM
@PauloCereda Aquamacs?
 
@egreg I was just teasing David. :) Aquamacs is fantastic. :)
 
12:29 PM
I finished installing my new OS
running Debian sid as my primary home OS now :)
just installed texlive-full :D
 
1:26 PM
@DavidCarlisle: more lego activities today? :)
 
1:42 PM
Quick stupid question: In a math float, when I write "89182,24 seconds \approxeq 24,8 hours", this renders to "89182,24seconds ~= 24,8hours", i.e. no spaces between the number and "seconds/hours". What happens here?
 
@PauloCereda well oddly enough I have to go to work during the day.
@HenningKlevjer all white space in math is ignored (it would also have typeset seconds using the wrong font} . What do do depends on what you want and what the context is
 
@DavidCarlisle I need to show in the equation what kind of number it is (I know that there's a good word for this in english that I should know..).
 
@HenningKlevjer if it is a natural language sentence then 89182,24 seconds ${}\approxeq{}$ 24,8 hours if it is a math expression with units written in full then $89182,24 \mathrm{seconds} \approxeq 24,8 \mathrm{hours}$ or perhaps with \, before the mathrm
 
Maybe this should be done outside of math.. Consider a childs' math example, where 2 appes + 5 apples equal 7 apples
 
@HenningKlevjer yes "Maybe" that's what I meant by it depends on the context. Hopefully one of the two examples above will work for you.
 
1:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle The last suggestion turned out perfect! Thanks!
 
@HenningKlevjer Makes a change to get a TeX question here. usually it's just Paulo and egreg chatting about cricket.
 
@DavidCarlisle ;)
 
@DavidCarlisle Hey!
:)
@egreg: David says we need to talk more about TeX. :) We could start talking about longtable then. :)
 
@PauloCereda Why not about enumerate? He says he has to work; also I have, and in this very moment I'm working. The students in front of me are doing their written exam. :)
 
@egreg Yay, exams! Typeset in Word, of course. :P
 
2:05 PM
Hi at all!
 
@Peregring-lk 'ello!
 
One question, in stackexchange it is possible to talk with a specific user? For example, by means of an e-mail or so? I want to ask to Tom Bombadil (tex.stackexchange user), if I can to use its code (for an answer of his own) in a LPPL package.
But the last time Tom Bombadil was seen in tex.stachexchange was in one month ago
without in*, sorry xD
Oh, just now I see that in stackexchange there are a specific chat to talk about this type of question.
 
@Peregring-lk Obviously if you can get hold of the author it's polite to ask but you can use any code posted to the network under this CC licence without needing to ask creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5 (see the "legal" link at the bottom of the main site page)
 
@Peregring-lk AFAIK there are no private messages available. One possible solution is to create a chatroom and invite Tom to join in (even so, the chatroom will be public for everybody to see). As David mentioned, everything posted here, when it's not stated which kind of license it is, it's available under CC.
 
2:21 PM
@PauloCereda It's not clear to me that you are allowed to post code and say it's under a different licence (you could obviously link to other licenced code) it seems to me that the sx terms mean that by including code in an answer you automatically licence it under CC
You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, you are right. :) I think the question arises when "converting" code snippets to full packages: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/questions/1255/…
 
Certainly my understanding is that we put licences on our code here in addition to the CC to make it easier for folks to use it.
 
I know. But CC is copyleft. The license of my "document" together with a custom package, is CC-BY-SA also, but I want to permit other users use my document under LPPL license, only in case they want to create a LaTeX package or style and so to colaborate with the LaTeX comunity. And for this reason I have to ask to Tom, if he gives me permission to make this doble-license with his content.
 
Which is why we started that thread that Paulo has linked to ... but I see that TB hasn't "signed" it as yet.
 
@Peregring-lk yes OK makes sense.
 
2:27 PM
Ho @TomBombadil Tom Bombadill-o/Bright blue his jacket is and his boots are yellow/Will you be a-visiting TeX-SX again-o/Can you relicense your code and make your packages free-o?
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I've readed one time in tex o meta forums that an user can permit other licenses for his answers (describing under which concrete licenses an user can use them)
 
Licences are a pain I just ended up with four licences (W3C softare, MIT, MPL 1.1 MPL 2) on a bit of XSL that I distribute. The text of the licences is far bigger than the code (just referencing four licences is an appreciable fraction of the file size). I really just want it to say YOU CAN USE THIS but corporate lawyers don't like that.
@Peregring-lk oh yes the author of the code so long as he retains copyright can give it to anyone under any licence.
 
@JosephWright I think the following answer should be un-CWEd:
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A: How can I create a decoration that runs down one side of each page?

ChristianI tried to do something similar once. I didn't like it so I didn't polish the code but maybe it's a good starting point for you or for someone else. Since you're using memoir, you should be able to just copy this in your preamble: \makepagestyle{myVertical} \makerunningwidth{myVertical}{1.08\tex...

 
@DavidCarlisle If you are not a member of the corporation, you don't need to use legally meaningful otherwise nonsensical text. We are not obliged to use any legally binding text. It's lawyers' job to interpret it whenever needed. If you just mention Use at your own risk they have to project it back to their wicked domain.
There are a lot of discussions in the university for the open-source robotics code too because we want to release under very mild conditions but the legal office sends us weird text.
And we refuse to put a text that we don't understand :)
 
@percusse It all depends, in this case I wanted mozilla to use some of my code, and they wanted to use my code and I didn't want to be the person causing yet another licence to be added to the about firefox box that everyone on the planet doesn't read, so I just relicenced my code to whatever causes the least pain on their side
 
2:46 PM
@DavidCarlisle That's very convenient of you :) Our legal office also says relicencing is a legal joke. Under normal conditions, we should not be able to do it because it's almost like a selling the company without informing the shareholders. Everybody should be sufficiently informed etc. etc. so it seems that the whole legally sound licensing issue is on the air and still based on mutual trust.
 
Licensing is a hard topic
 
3:09 PM
@lockstep Done
 
Hi. The XITS font on my machine when using xelatex requires the nonstandard looking invocation \setmainfont{xits-math.otf}, rather than the seemingly more standard \setmainfont{XITS} \setmathfont{XITS Math}. What is the reason, and is this an faq or something?
It is referred to in passing in a couple of places on tex.sx, but I did not see a reason given. The context, if anyone is curious, is
i see
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Q: XITS font not found on OS X

banbhI am running a recently updated TexLive 2011 on a Mac (OS X 10.7 Lion). I wanted to use the XITS fonts, but the following file generates errors when processed with xelatex: \documentclass{article} \usepackage{unicode-math} \setmainfont{XITS} \setmathfont{XITS Math} \begin{document} Text $x+y...

has an answer which is pertinent
 
@PauloCereda I see that the arara community ad has most clicks-per-day of any of our current set :-)
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@JosephWright Wow, really?! We really need to finish the manual, so TL can have the app. :)
 
3:56 PM
@percusse: any plans for an XBox this Christmas? I decided to go handheld and opted for a 3DS (XL). :)
 
4:35 PM
@PauloCereda @JosephWright is building an xbox: should be done by Christmas.
 
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle Really?
 
@JosephWright ooh! :)
@percusse: we can download an xbox from @JosephWright! :) I wonder if it supports Kinect. :)
 
5:01 PM
@JosephWright: So we all win xbox'es? :)
 
@PauloCereda :-)
 
@JosephWright:
 
kan
@PauloCereda Your hand writing is pretty neat! :-)
 
@kan Not fair, Han also Indy. :)
 
user19161
5:12 PM
@kan What do you mean by leaning curve?
 
@kan Nope. :P
 
kan
@WillHunting Well, I have been dependent on everyone around the internet to get very basic things done. So, I've been leaning and not learning. But, at the same time, I've learnt to lean less and less. So, by "leaning curve", I was alluding to this... :)
 
user19161
@kan Oh I see. I think that other than installing TeX, the rest is pretty intuitive, like Windows.
 
kan
Yes, very close to the windows; if you say so period.
 
5:31 PM
yeh a green pgf tick @PeterGrill watch out!
 
@DavidCarlisle You better watch out, You better not cry, better not pout, I'm telling you why: David is writing PGF/TikZ answers.
 
user19161
6:06 PM
@PauloCereda It's a bit early for Christmas! But the decorations are being put up already...
 
6:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle What??? This I have to see. I suspect someone has been helping you...
And I am not even rep capped yet, what is going on???
 
@PeterGrill I think 292 should be quite sufficient:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle No, don't want to waste the remaining 3, and if I can get one more tick I think might be first over 300 day...
Although have to admit I don't really deserve the bounty, I thought someone else would do a proper solution for the papyrus.
 
@PeterGrill I gave you a bit of a shove towards rep cap:-) can't tikz shear the text so it looks at the same angle as the scroll?
 
@DavidCarlisle Hmmm, that is a good idea. Will have to try that
 
remember chaps: when leaving a house, best to take the keys with you if you want to get back in.
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6:54 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-) You locked out?
 
@PeterGrill well I can reach the wifi:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle You using a tablet, or laptop?
 
@PeterGrill laptop at present. Family will be home from swimming in a bit so they may let me in...
 
@DavidCarlisle Oh, ok. You should probably just stay in the chat room and we can keep you company, as there won't be any questions coming up that you would be interested in :-)
I promise I will let you know if a table question comes that I can't answer. Speaking of watching out, did you see that I was able to help, yes help, Heiko with a solution. There should be a badge for that. :-)
 
@PeterGrill no, table questions are so yesterday, I'm doing tikz now
 
7:04 PM
@DavidCarlisle Ok, now I am really worried... Hope you family gets home soon...
 
@PeterGrill :-)
here they are...
 
@HenningKlevjer Have a look at the siunitsx package.
Good, now I can troll for table questions..
 
7:44 PM
Is there a way to set path to LaTeX modules, e.g. 'texmf/' from within LaTeX document (not from environment variable)?
 
@JakubNarębski You can code in relative or absolute paths for individual files, but there is no general 'path' variable used by LaTeX: that's the job of kpsewhich
 
Explanation: I'd like for e.g. \usepackage{listings} to search for listings.sty file in texmf/ directory relative to current directory.
 
@JakubNarębski You'd have to use \usepackage{./texmf/tex/latex/listings}, and put up with the resulting warning from LaTeX
 
@JosephWright Can I do some trick with %& first line?
 
@JakubNarębski That just picks different formats
 
7:55 PM
@JakubNarębski I am using TeXLive 2012, and what I do for a identical issue is edit the /usr/local/texlive/2012/texmf.cnf, and add the line TEXMFHOME = ./texmf/tex/latex/, and you local listing (or any other .sty) will be used if you are compiling in a directory where it can be found under ./texmf/tex/latex/. Not sure if this is general enough solution for you, but does work for me.
 
@PeterGrill Still needs work 'outside' of the .tex file
 
The problem I'd like to solve is working together on LaTeX document which uses non-standard packages (outside base set of packages).
 
@JosephWright Yep, but no environment variables to change. I am stuck using a really old version of the standalone and this solution works.
@JakubNarębski Yep, the solution I use will work for all .sty files that can be located from ./texmf/tex/latex/ relative to where you are compiling. If you compile in another directory, the standard ones get picked up.
@JakubNarębski: I would also recommend using \@ifpackagelater to check that the version you just loaded is the correct one and error out if not. That way you can know for sure, and if you share it with a colleague who does not have this setup (or move the .tex file to a different directory) you won't end up wring results, and know exactly what needs to be changed.
 
@PeterGrill @PeterGrill could you give an example of using @\ifpackagelater? TIA
 
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A: Dual compatibility of TeX sources

Joseph WrightLaTeX provides two tools that will be useful here: \IfFileExists and \@ifpackagelater. If we take the case outlined in the question, we cannot be sure the file is even available. I'll generalise to a package foo, which might give something like \makeatletter \IfFileExists{foo.sty} {% % T...

 
8:07 PM
I was about to cut and past from my preamble, but Joseph provided a better link..
 
@PeterGrill I remembered being asked for a demo, so knew what I was looking for
 
Thanks @JosephWright and @PeterGrill
 
@JosephWright Surprisingly I never came across that one, the one I get the code from was an answer by Martin. I will try to find the other one and cross reference them.
 
@PeterGrill It was recent and I remembered answering it, so just searched for ifpackagelater then spotted it in the list :-)
 
@JosephWright Yeah, but at that time I did not know about the command.. Found the other one:
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Q: Is it possible to abort loading a package if it's too old?

kahenI'm working on a package that has to work on both TeXlive 2009 (Ubuntu, so updating TeXlive is a nonstarter) and later versions, and I'd like to be able to use fontspec with LuaLaTeX if we're on TeXlive 2010 or later, but \RequirePackage{fontspec}[2008/08/10] (Ubuntu's TeXlive 2009 ships with a f...

 
8:24 PM
@PauloCereda Argh, XBOX! We will meet again someday when my robots behave !!
 
@percusse behaving robots?
 
9:03 PM
Any mods in the house? This user could do with a helping hand: tex.stackexchange.com/users/18246/vutukuri
 
@JosephWright apart from \input@path :-)
 
9:24 PM
@AndrewStacey well, that's really a problematic behaviour, I so much feel with him!
 
@tohecz Yes, I have some sympathy but posting questions like that is not a great way to get help.
 
@AndrewStacey yes, that's the problem. The reason why I'm feeling with him is that he's (assumably) not doing it intentionally...
 
@tohecz Oh, absolutely! Which is why our reaction should be to point him (her) in a more productive direction.
 
9:49 PM
@Peter you're fabulous!
@doncherry: Wow, you may find this hard to believe but I have never noticed the block quote button? :-) Have always added the > manually.. Now that I know, that I can ask even more questions as it will now take me less time. :-) Thanks. — Peter Grill 20 hours ago
 
@tohecz Yep mine are a little funky
 
@tohecz :-) I wonder if someone has asked more questions than me?
There should be a badges for questions!!
 
@PeterGrill there are!
 
@PeterGrill Without checking I vote for xport :)
 
@tohecz I meant in terms of number of questions.
@percusse Oh yeah she has not been here in a while, let me check...
@percusse Damm, she has a lot more questions than me!! I guess I have a lot of work to do.
 
9:54 PM
@PeterGrill She has asked a lot indeed. But I wasn't around those days which would have been nice to get those low hanging TikZ fruits :) Now we have PhD level ones (Warning : includes particles of exaggeration)
 
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@percusse Where did xport vanish to?
 
@percusse I was around, but too new to tikz at the time..
 
@WillHunting I don't know. I only know her via her questions.
But she has some fame here.
 
@WillHunting I assume she finished with the project she was working on, she cam back briefly early this year and then dissapeared again...
 
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@percusse Yes, I like her questions and I like to check out her profile which changes every day.
 
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9:56 PM
@PeterGrill I am about to disappear soon too. =)
 
@WillHunting Oh, nooooo.. Did I nag you too much about a MWE?
 
@WillHunting the only xport user I found has 85 rep :-/
 
There should be badge for getting people to leave this site, I might get one. :-)
@tohecz Huh, click on the icon. Not sure why the icon from search show weird numbers.
 
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I actually suspected that xport was garbage collector, but I think they are two different people now...
 
@WillHunting because it shows the monthly statement, my stupid
 
9:59 PM
@WillHunting Oh yea, both are into pstricks... Hmmmmmm...
 
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@tohecz Hahaha.
 
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