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Q: Where is the best place to buy domain names and how much should I pay?

Eric JohnsonI want to buy a domain name. I plan to set up my own A, NS, and MX records using Slicehost. So I guess I just need the cheapest place, right? How much I should be paying for .com or .org?

Holy spam-bait batman!
 
2:05 AM
I wonder how many answers on that question will end up getting dumped over time.
 
 
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4:41 AM
Does anyone know the OEM for Dell PowerEdge R610 2.5" SATA drives?
I'm looking to get some cheaper than Dells ridiculous prices
 
5:20 AM
@hobodave Any particular reason you need that specific model?
 
5:36 AM
@Iszi what does that have to do with the hard disk?
 
6:29 AM
@hobodave Letting people know the full reason for a question helps to get better answers. If you're looking to get any hard drive cheaper than but comparable to the Dell PowerEdge R610, the solutions differ from if you were looking to get an exact replacement for that model.
 
 
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10:37 AM
Bonjour
 
hi
 
 
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12:58 PM
Ello
 
1:11 PM
hi
 
post job to careers.stackoverflow.com is paid?
sorry, vacancy
 
Hola mi amigos!
 
Roy
Hi, does anyone have an experience with recovering an exchange database? I lost all the transaction logs from a 400 GB database, it's in a dirty shutdown state :(
 
1:29 PM
@Roy, version?
 
Roy
exchange 2007
i'm currently running eseutil /p as a last resort, but it's been running for 10 hours and from what I have read it could run for another 2 days!
 
Yeah, that's about all you can do (assuming no backups...), and the last time I ran it, it was about 10min/GB (every DB is different of course). Hope you took a copy before starting the /p as it destroys anything it can't fix.
 
Roy
I have a copy, but I can't afford another day of being down :(
 
After it's done with the /p don't forget to run /d on it. The first only repairs DB inconsistencies, the second repairs app level inconsistencies.
 
Roy
I don't know what to do, I don't think they will accept being another day without an email, I suppose I will have to recreate mailboxes to get emails coming in and then somehow get the old emails from the old database
 
1:38 PM
@Roy You can try making a copy and seeing if eseutil /d will run against it, it's a faster operation and should bail pretty quick if the DB is hosed.
 
How old are the last backups, @Roy?
 
@Roy No backups, catastrophic data loss, and downtime is unacceptable..... One of these three doesn't belong.
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Roy
I'm not sure what do you mean Chris? The backup is from yesterday, I didn't lose the .edb database, I just lost the transaction logs
The partition with logs failed and the backup failed with it
 
@Roy Why don't you just restore from backup, then massage the corrupt DB until you can recover the 1 day of e-mail from it???
 
@Roy: you can try recovering from the last known good backup.
You'd lose the information only from last known good to today.
 
Roy
1:42 PM
but all the databases are in a dirty shutdown stage without the transaction logs
 
One day's email might not even have that much information to lose that's of vital necessity.
Not if you recover from last backup.
Restore your mail server to the last good state. Period.
Logs and store don't matter if you have backup from a day ago. Restore the whole thing.
 
Roy
I don't know when is the backup of the last good state
I have a copy of the .edb database that is too old
but i don't have the transaction logs for it either
 
Do a complete recovery, you'll get back online, then work on recovering information from an image/copy of your "bad" database if it's still encessary.
Wait, what kind of backup do you have?
Tape backup with DPM? Arcserve?...
 
Roy
I just have the .edb database file
 
So you don't have a system backup.
 
Roy
1:45 PM
no :(
 
I think that's what Chris was talking about.
 
just had a great call with HP's 3Par guys - managed to sort out a really good discount structure - reckon I'm going to be buying their kit as default now over XP/EVA :)
 
Chopper's ditching the EVAs?! A great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of HDs cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced
 
Roy
bart: no sorry, I don't have a system backup
 
@ChrisS haha - very good, basically I'm getting newer better kit for about 106% the price of the EVAs - I can swallow that
 
1:51 PM
Greetings everyone, how are we all today?
 
Roy
bart : any idea what can I do to get emails start coming in without having the old database restored yet?
 
How many users do you have?
 
Roy
around 200 in that database
 
Wow, ~20GB mailboxes?
 
Roy
actually a bit more, sorry, the mailboxes are around 10 gb
 
1:57 PM
I am obviously coming in late to this conversation... but @Roy, any way you could set up a temporary backup MX for them?
Feel free to ignore me if what I'm saying is retarted or has already been suggested ;-)
 
Roy
I welcome any suggestions, the server itself is running, I created more another storage group and a new email database. If I create a new user, everything works, the problem is how to restore the current users
the management wouldn't accept to be without emails for another day
 
Well I know zero about Exchange, but I was thinking that if it's going to take some time for you to repair their mailboxes, you could possibly set up a different mailserver which would just accept and hold all mail for them, so as you get mailboxes fixed the backup MX could deliver email... that way, the emails sent today aren't bouncing
 
If email is that important to management then they need to fund it that way. Perhaps time to see if one of the places like mimecast (other vendors are available, I'm just a happy customer) that give you filtering + journalling + webmail can take you on in this state so you can get mail flowing to them and accessable via webmail
 
but, it would actually delay you from fixing Exchange, because you'd be setting up the backup MX, so it may be counterproductive
 
Sam
Has anyone had any success getting constrained kerberos delegation work, with named instances of SQL?
 
Roy
2:02 PM
if I delete the current users and create them new mailboxes in a different database the email will start coming in, it would take ages to recover the old mails though and I don't even know if exchange allows to delete/disable users when the database isn't mounted
 
Josh is right, that's a potential downside of any mitigation right now. Sometimes people have to accept that - you know what - sometimes things take as long as they take.
 
I'd say that going through creating a "backup" to hold mail until the primary is repaired is counterproductive because by the time you get it sorted out you'll have the other database hosed or repaired.
 
This is why I favour the "cloud" filtering/ bastion host / webmail thing.
 
If you have it working and in your current situation, start remaking mailboxes, keep working on recovering from your old database and migrate old emails later.
 
Roy
robert : I'm in australia, I don't know much about the place you mentioned
 
2:04 PM
mimecast.com offer services worldwide and I'm sure there will local Australian firms doing much the same
 
Lack of planning/disaster recovery means you're going to have problems with the recovery. You should probably create a post-mortem report about it.
Robert's advocating making your email someone else's fault :-)
 
@BartSilverstrim I agree. It really depends on if the users' primary complain is "I want access to my email now!" or "I don't want to lose any emails!"
 
The trouble is with people "not accepting" lack of email. I've been there, we've all been there, but sometimes people can "accept" or "not accept" all they like but ya still canna change the laws of physics
 
Roy
then want to access emails now, I agree the disaster recovery wasn't good :(
 
If anything from the "non tech" people in charge of firing you is "critical" to have running with little downtime, you need a plan in place for recovering your server if your server were to burst into flames tomorrow.
 
2:06 PM
Would they rather have "New emails now, old emails some time, possibly never" or would putting it to them in those terms make them stop and think?
 
And those people need to accept that these plans aren't always cheap.
 
Roy
I supposed they want emails now, old emails later
 
@BartSilverstrim - agreed. They can accept they're not cheap, then say "We can't afford it so we're not doing it" but they then can't complain if it turns out they need it
 
@Roy Have you asked them?
 
Roy
yes
 
2:08 PM
@Roy people want the moon on a stick, sometimes part of our job is managing expectations: You can have this or that, not this and that
 
Roy
I was told to get the emails start going in no matter what, that we can't wait another day for the restore to finish
 
Well, if your non-techs are dictating tech (and most have been there)...remake blank mailboxes for them and move forward.
That's your option.
There is no speeding up your recovery, especially when you don't have bare-metal recovery as an option.
 
uh huh
 
I don't know about laws in your place but for us this setup you have is illegal :-)
 
Roy
the backup got corrupted at the same time as I lost the logs, and I inherited 188 users in a 400 gb database just recently :(
 
2:12 PM
@BartSilverstrim Actually illegal, or just doesn't follow the standards set by the state?
 
ouch. Stuff sometimes happens no matter how much you try
 
@Packs: believe illegal in that we are required to have X months of recovery of our emails for discovery in lawsuits.
 
Roy
is there a way to move the users to another database and clean their mailboxes or will I have to go and delete the mailbox and then create it again?
thanks everyone for suggestions!
 
@BartSilverstrim Ah, sounds like the State has set up some kind of retention policy, or some kind of judge's ruling. Sucks to be you. ;)
 
If there's a lawsuit we need to be able to produce evidence as required by subpoena within certain timeframes.
You don't have to? Lucky.
Certain types of businesses I believe are required to retain messages to, I thought.
 
2:14 PM
For us it all falls down to what our published retention policy is.
 
That's another reason I went with the offsite thing. Archival that even I can't interfere with. Important for "safeguarding" students
 
@BartSilverstrim Certain kinds of data, yes! HIPAA is the big one.
 
Advice from any security experts welcomed!
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Q: Does PA-DSS apply to a SaaS eCommerce system?

JoshMy company develops and hosts a custom eCommerce and CMS system. We provide this only under a hosted, software-as-a-service model. We are in full control of the hosting environment, and our customers have no control over the source code. They cannot deploy on their own hardware; they have to leas...

 
@BartSilverstrim The state archivist has set up a suggested retention time frame that we are encouraged to follow, but are allowed to deviate from so long as it is documented. Things like HIPAA that actually have retention requirements are a whole different ball of waxy substance.
 
@Packs: asked the boss. He said it's federal, requiring a "reasonable" policy for retention and we get audited to our policy.
But we're also under HIPAA laws for our HR stuff...so I don't know how that affects things.
 
2:19 PM
@BartSilverstrim Yeah, HIPAA changes a lot of things. We have the advantage of pawning a lot of those compliance responsibleness on the individual entities within the university.
 
Boss said if you were to follow all the regulations it would be nigh impossible to actually get things done.
 
over 9000 rep, on the down slope to 10k now :-D
 
@RobertMoir At this point, you might be able to just coast there.
 
I noticed Evan got his 50k over the weekend - so well done to him
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I need another essay answer, that will do it for sure
yep, he's got to be the all time leader hasn't he?
 
2:28 PM
@RobertMoir On SF, yes. I looked at the top users page on SO over the weekend. There's a lot of 100k+ guys over there.
 
@RobertMoir oh yeah, I don't think I'll ever hit 50k, my rate's dropped off a lot
 
@chopper3 I don't know, there's always the tomtom method of driving votes. @packs it must take a scary machine to break 100k.
 
@RobertMoir ? - edit - being a rude twat?
 
@RobertMoir Right, developers :)
 
I was going to say: Post LOTS of snarky messages with grains of truth in them and get a good voting ration for the grains while others clean up the nasty... but your way of saying it works too
 
2:31 PM
:)
 
@Chopper3: Hi mate :)
 
I may have finally found a justification for a DL980 G7 - as a Splunk box :)
hi erik
 
new toy time!
 
yeah, played with one for a couple of months but had no real need
 
@Chopper3 You got splunk up and running yet?
 
2:41 PM
yeah - just bought a 20GB/day licence and some PS
mostly for application logs but some of it is cisco/san/LB/FW stuff too
 
We're about a year or so out on our maintenance on enVision, so we're starting to look, with splunk on the list.
 
thats a mighty impressive box
 
great sales team, very knowledgable, quick and responsive
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Q: guidelines for large Unix data center setup ?

vidyarthiHello, Are there any blogs/ recommended readings on how to setup/configure/manage large ( 500 + ) unix servers in a single / multiple data center ? I am trying to understand best practices, network design suggestions as well. Thanks

I hope a guy asking for basic help isn't the guy that's got to build this
 
arrrfgh.. anyone here know how to find out exactly wich vlans a interface is seeing trunked on a cisco switch?
 
i know i keep coming back to it but "If you have to ask, then you don't" should be a valid answer sometimes.
 
2:46 PM
sh int interface trunk doesnt quite tell the truth, it just displays wich vlans who are allowed on the trunk, not the active ones
 
I should know that one
 
@pauska on a trunk allowed should == active
unless they are forbideen not configured on the otherside
 
yeah..
well, the thing is, this isnt set up correctly
 
Setting up any kinda datacentre from scratch isn't, with all due respect, coverable in one question here or anywhere else. It's a book's worth of planning and lots of questions.
 
I need to figure out if the ISP (IP VPN provider) is trunking vlan 1 or just using it as a native vlan
 
2:48 PM
I'm happy though, we've got funding for our second VMWare farm
 
jz-osl-core01#sh int gi 0/1 trunk

Port Mode Encapsulation Status Native vlan
Gi0/1 on 802.1q trunking 1
looks like vlan 1 is just native without tags, but I want to be really sure
 
I get to go back to various teams who want new stuff setting up and tell them "Cinderella you SHALL go to the ball"
 
@pauska oh god i'd hope they arn't using vlan 1 at all ... sigh
 
I hardly EVER get to give GOOD news!
 
@Zypher: I know, I know.. this ISP is being removed in 1,5 months
I just gotta figure out a way to map their stupid VLAN 1 into a new vlan
 
2:49 PM
sounds like they need to be removed with extreme prejudice
 
well, maybe try the output of just sh int g0/1 IIRC it should tell you what the native vlan is ... i think
 
I could try to just set a arbitrary vlan as native and see what happens, but I was hoping there was some kind of show command that would tell me
nay, interface statistics doesnt show it
 
Hmm...splunk sounds interesting.
Wonder what the pricing is.
 
@pauska uhg ... hmm and they are definatly sending down to you on a trunk not an access port?
 
Zypher: Yeah, cause I got VLAN 10 trunked over that port
I can see from their CPE config that there are subinterfaces configured on the router (0.0 and 0.10)
err 0.1 and 0.10
maybe they are trunking vlan 1 with vlan 1 as native? :(((
 
2:53 PM
uhgg ... that's makes it ... difficult
so this is incredibly hacky and i do not reccomend actually doing this ... but
if you have a second switch
 
Maybe I'll have to create a loop here.. two access ports with vlan 1 and 90 set as access mod and a crossover cable
yeah, you're on the same idea as me
 
yea
exactally
 
I friggin hate stuff like this :[
 
hmm the only other suggestion I have is calling the ISP and bitching them out ... but i doubt that would actually uhh get anything done
oh ... have you tried querying w/ CDP? that might give you the VLAN1 answer
but still won't help you translate that into another vlan
 
no CDP on the interface
guess they disabled it
its a cisco 1700-something router
 
2:57 PM
bastards
 
well screw it.. either they're only tagging vlan 10 and have vlan 1 as native untagged, or they're tagging both
option one is easy (switchport trunk native vlan 90 and et voila!), second one is crossover cable
 
haha, yep
 
im going to plug in my laptop one late night and see if i can get connectivity without vlan
 
btw who is this isp so if i ever run across them i know to RUN AWAY
 
TDC
europeean
 
3:13 PM
anyone tried that iPad newspaper 'The Daily'?
 
3:39 PM
i'd be willing to try it if someone wants to finance an ipad for me :)
oh ... my
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Q: How do I empty /dev/null?

Jason MerandezHello, I am using Ubuntu 10.10. I am generally good with computers but mostly with Windows, I'm not very familiar with Ubuntu. I'm trying to setup a website and I'm talking with a friend I have who works for a school IT department who is giving me advice. He told me that I need to open a comma...

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Sam
Thats cheered up my afternoon :)
 
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Q: Different techniques to secure a server

jhonny blazeI am trying to secure a Linux server but i even also want to know the types of vulnerabilities associated and the attacks that happen and how so that i can completely understand securing a server

 
You two are finding some nice Mondays today.
 
not as good as asking how to empty the bit bucket, but pass the tequila.
 
Is there a groaner scale for measuring the quality of questions on a given day?
 
SLY
3:44 PM
Has anyone ever read any good management case studies on IT?
 
@sly: as in...?
 
SLY
I'm looking for something that would support using pilot studies
something along the lines like experimenting can be a good thing
 
There was a book on managing people in IT I remember reading that was good...can't remember the title offhand. I remember it was yellow...
people managment? Peopleware?
Pilot studies of what?
 
The YellowBook ...
no wait
 
What are you trying to do, exactly?
 
SLY
3:46 PM
I'm trying to write a recommendation to management that we try out a few pieces of software and see what works for our organization.
 
@voretaq7 I'm on bit-bucket duty some days... but I'll take cerveza por favor.
 
So you're needing case studies from the software company in question, no?
 
@SLY The key question is how much will these trials cost?
I (almost) never trust a vendor's case studies -- I've been lied to so many times... so many lies...
 
The company making the software in question should have plenty of case studies in their marketing chaff for you to use.
 
::curls up clutching a laptop and cries::
 
SLY
3:49 PM
haha @vo
@vortaq7
i know what you mean, vendor case studies are nearly useless
 
@voretaq7: the goal is to sell it to management, not tell the practical truth.
 
dos equis si lo ha ;-) (just got back from Mexico, still half there).
 
SLY
i'm looking for a more theoretical approach
 
Well, just tell them that it solves the problems you want the software for. Preface everything with "in theory".
Otherwise put it into a testbed situation and write up the results.
 
SLY
right but i'm looking for an article that supports the testbed approach
here's something interesting but it's a bit old: jstor.org/pss/249468 Organizational Mechanisms for enhancing user innovation in information technology
 
3:53 PM
It's probably covered in the "Practice of Systems and Network Administration," ha. Testing things before full deployment is a rather fundamental practice.
 
"common sense"? Good practice has always been to test in a sandbox. I guess I took it for granted it would be studied.
Just about any big sysadminstration book should cover testing before deployment.
I don't know if there is a separate white paper telling you that it's smart to test something before rolling it into production.
 
@SLY You could always ask the question on the main board like most questions are, this really is just a chat space, we rarely answer anything more complex than lunch suggestions here
 
SLY
@Chopper3 true, I just felt that it was a bit subjective for the main board
 
And crying. We cry here sometimes too.
 
SLY
Anyways I can always use the company, at least until someone needs help with their printer.
 
3:56 PM
You'll probably get a few cuts from people scratching their heads as to why your managers won't understand the concept of testing before potentially damaging production systems...
 
@SLY Steelers fan?
 
@BartSilverstrim Software updates never break anything! That's what the vendor told me, and vendors would never lie :-)
 
SLY
@Chopper3 I was a Green Bay fan last night
 
@BartSilverstrim Re: case studies as a sales tool, I've got no problem with that, except when they sell management a bill of goods and it don't work they cry to me, not the sales droid :-/
 
@voretaq7: then they need to learn to listen to you in the first place :-)
 
4:04 PM
@BartSilverstrim LIsten? To an engineer? What do we know? We just studied this shit for years and spent our professional careers designing systems that don't break. We know nothing about the real world :-D
 
I am available by the way, as an external consultant, to tell your bosses exactly what any of you want me to tell them, but in management-bullshit-speak :)
 
holy shit...maybe there's a business for this.
We could all take turns acting a faux consultants to tell each other's managers what they want to hear.
Only, since we like each other, we'd work for minimal fees or alcohol or shiny bottles or something.
 
Like "Strangers on a Train"? * showing age again *
 
SLY
@Chopper3 we probably can't afford your rates
 
@SLY that's a given ;)
 
4:18 PM
@Chopper3 How much to make management disappear?
 
@Zypher I just saw the /dev/null is full question, OMG, too funny
 
@voretaq7 you'd need to speak to a different agent for that
 
@Chopper3 No! I don't want to go back into the IVR maze! I'll behave!
 
@voretaq7 I meant my agent/booker
 
Just one of those days where I can't focus...
 
4:31 PM
just close one eye, that helps
 
You might just be on to something...
 
maybe he thinks you don't need the physical hardware plugged in :)
Reminds of the first time I had to explain to someone what a physical license key is
Kept asking me for the key, so I'd hand him a USB dongle and he'd say "what's the file called?"
 
I @#$% HATE THOSE THINGS.
 
yeah it was worse when they were serial or parallel attached right? :)
 
The replies to my answer are just getting weirder.
"And that's why daddy drinks..."
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It sounds both trollish and genuine at the same time...
 
4:58 PM
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@BartSilverstrim "I have a database on this USB key with valuable irreplaceable company data in it. It's not backed up anywhere. I want to rip the key out of my system without properly stopping the DB server. Why can't I do this?"
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That sums it up
 
I'm probably old-fashioned in this, but I do not find extremely | long | pipelined | commands | in | powershell -select $Readable
 
Just pull it out. Everything will be safe.
 
If it isn't, blame the vendor. Or the users.
 
5:07 PM
I especially like the part about "Oh I have no clue what I'm doing with Postgres, so I'll just shoot random processes in the head until the volume isn't in use anymore!"
yes... aim for the WAL writer process!
 
@sysadmin1138 ever see the articles on adding roles/services/features to a 2008 core server post-install?
 
headdesk
 
@SpacemanSpiff I think I bounced off of one once.
 
Yeah... I read one line and said "thats okay i'll deal with the GUI overhead"
 
5:10 PM
I wonder who is downvoting Bart and why...
 
@sysadmin1138 I think they're just as readable as unix lines until you hit some of the more complex logic like loops, ifs, etc; then it's just a f-ing bee's nest.
 
@ChrisS They probably are just as readable as huge bash pipelines. At some point it starts to resemble lisp and I stop.
 
@Zoredache Chuck Norris is the only man with big enough balls to downvote Bart
 
bash command lines are nasty to read too... one more reason I don't like bash.
@TomOConnor That is strange, the other answer has a downvote too.
 
They don't have to be ugly to read, if the person writing them uses white-space properly.
 
5:13 PM
hi
 
Hmm...three downvotes. I hate anony downvotes, at least leave an explanation why someone's "wrong" or what your reasoning is.
@TomOConnor: :-)
 
@BartSilverstrim I upvoted you to counteract it :)
 
Told you this was just getting weirder and weirder.
 
And, y'know.. it's the right answer.
I think closing it is the only sensible thing to do.
 
After the questions like how to empty /dev/null and then this guy running a database from a volume he wants to remove...while the application is running...and then getting downvoted for saying that's not smart to do that? Today is just weird.
 
5:20 PM
@BartSilverstrim full moon?
 
one downvote, too(
@BartSilverstrim PostgreSQL can close DB data to backup and you can umount DB data
 
@alvosu your understanding of pg_start_backup()/pg_stop_backup() is not quite correct -- it does not quiesce the DB, it just rolls a new WAL segment and makes a marker so you can copy the data away
 
close it where? He's running the databases on a volume he's removing.
The sensible thing is to shut down the database server since you're removing the media containing the database.
 
the volume would still be in use, and removing it would still have the potential to do Bad Things to his data.
 
let's face it, the dude's out of his depth
 
5:25 PM
@BartSilverstrim No, I meant close the question ;)
 
@alvosu See postgresql.org/docs/8.4/static/continuous-archiving.html for more information on how those functions are intended to be used.
 
@voretaq7 before pastebin.com/ZgD5KPKa, after pastebin.com/iPRqcNsF and then i umount SAN
@voretaq7 without warning
@voretaq7 i several years using PITR
@voretaq7 and you?
 
And it would be silly to encrypt the volume with the database just to quick-flush it to something else that's not encrypted. Why is it even something to argue...close the application if that's what you're using to store the database and you're removing it. Why is that more difficult?
 
@alvosu you have no activity on your DB -- You can get the same results by doing CHECKPOINT ; SELECT pg_switch_xlog();
 
@alvosu: Why is this solution better than closing the database server?
 
5:28 PM
@voretaq7 fucccc... postgresql down(
 
@alvosu ...which is what happens when postmaster tries to write to a volume that has vanished :-/
 
@voretaq7 DBA be evil
 
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Q: Migrating user (developer) profile from XP to NT6 (Vista,7) ~ What do I need to be mindful of?

drachensternIf it's a dupe, lemme know and redirect me and I'm on my way guys. I'm a dev on Visual Studio, I have 2005, 2008 and 2010 installed atm, along with VB6, and SqlServer Dev 2005, 2008 installed as well, not to mention various and sundry developer's tools like Notepad++ and ReSharper and Reflector....

 
No one is addressing why "shut down the @#% server then remove the volume" isn't the best solution, in a downvoter's opinion.
 
figured I might as well come in here to be berated and pestered since I am asking what amounts to a juvie question
might be faster than comments too ;)
 
5:30 PM
Bart I don't get why he doesn't know how to shutdown postgres?
 
@BartSilverstrim is it because people don't like machines to be shut down on a regular basis?
 
Are you saying you want to be berated and pestered? Most of us would rather talk about alcohol and lunch.
@drachenstern: Wrong server. Mean a database server (application).
 
@BartSilverstrim if it gets me the answers to my question and saves almost all my data (and preferably reinstalls my tools and buys me a new pony) then yes
@BartSilverstrim then in that case, is shutting down the server necessary to remove the volume? doesn't seem like it is
 
Everytime you shutdown a server, a nun die screaming 'uptiiiiimmmeeeeee'
 
@drachenstern no harm you coming here, we won't berate you, honest, though you may not get a better answer here than on the main board - we talk about cheese and biscuits in this room
 
5:32 PM
Sounds like us over on the Tavern on MSO ;)
 
@Chopper3 wait...
there's cheese and biscuits?
 
of course, rebluchon on hovis for me right now
 
You might have trouble understanding Chopper3, though. He types with a british accent.
 
@Chopper3 But I get eyeballs and I get asked to update the dumb parts of my question to make it more appropriate and that I can stand ;)
 
hovis biscuits Mmmmmm
 
5:33 PM
yeah, local butter too
 
@drachenstern: It is necessary when the application server has open files on the volume in question.
 
good ${time_of_day}
 
@BartSilverstrim that's ok, so long as he types real slow, us Southerners should be able to understand him plain enough ;)
@BartSilverstrim then you can't remove the volume, regardless, because the next time the application server starts up won't it try to open those same files? Alternately, removing the volume (if permitted at all) will cause the server (in one sense or another) to crash, no?
 
I like the Yeo Valley organic butter - nice n salty
 
I refuse to busy their products due their appalling advertising campaign from around Christmas
 
5:35 PM
@drachenstern In the particular case we're discussing (serverfault.com/questions/232245) postgres would just refuse to start if its data directory is missing/invalid
 
plus I live in Dorset, I can almost lean out of the window and get fresh stuff
 
I never watch adverts
reblochon looks interesting though
 
@Iain me neither but sometimes if the kids have the remote and I can't be arse bellowing at them then one just happens in the background
 
@Voretaq7: But in the question it sounded like he had symlinks...so the DB may find something, just not the end link, maybe? It's a weird setup to me.
 
whereas ripping the data directory out from under the server can cause all sorts of unpleasantness ala @alvosu's recent experience
 
5:36 PM
@chopper3 I almost never have the remote
 
@voretaq7 yeah that's what I'm thinking, hence stop the db server.
@BartSilverstrim yuck :S
 
@BartSilverstrim Postgres is pretty picky about its data directory -- you'll get something to the effect of "postmaster cannot access the server configuration file "/tmp/postgresql.conf": No such file or directory"
 
@voretaq7 it's "SELECT t.oid, t.typname..." query, error: Error: Invalid data directory
 
@Iain It's one of my core principals
 
(the errors get progressively more "What in the name of all hell have you done???" if you try to just touch files to satisfy its desires :)
 
5:39 PM
@drachenstern, is your question a single system, your personal desktop? It probably belongs on SU then...
 
@voretaq7 Is that Error FFS01
 
@Zoredache well, so it's my desktop, but at work..., but I'm referring to the fact that I'm on a Windows Domain at the office and we have mixed profiles so I've not got a NT6 profile on the network.
I was torn between SF and SU because of that, but this is definitely a work issue, not for my home
 
But work vs home isn't the distinction. The distinction is are you doing this as system administrator, or a single user.
 
@Chopper3 "You're obviously just flailing about trying to make the dialog box go away. Your input devices are in a 15 minute time-out now. Try READING the damn error message while you wait. Error Code PEBKAC-001."
 
@Zoredache I am the user, not the network admin. I know they can pitch in if I ask them, but I also know their plates are full. And until it gets done I'm working on a machine that may fall over at any moment (again) so am trying to expedite the process.
I do not, however, have the machinename(or IP) so can't begin to actually migrate anything
 
5:45 PM
Still my point is that your question is more of an end-user question. As a sysadmin, I would simply transfer an image of your box to a VM so you could restore things later, and then rebuild.
 
If it belongs on SU instead of SF, ya'll feel free to migrate it, no hurt feelings
 
@drachenstern: we're torn on whether Zoredache is an AI or a Vulcan, so I doubt he'd worry about hurting your feelings. :-)
 
@BartSilverstrim haha
 
6:02 PM
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Q: exchange vs google apps

Jeffafter a couple issues with exchange nad outbound email, the presidents of my company want to switch to google apps... i know nothing about google apps, and im pretty familiar with exchange they want to know the benefits of going to google apps vs the down side of leaving exchange can anyone he...

do we do this kind of crap?
 
@Chopper3 Not really... I'm refraining from answering on the grounds that my answer would be "Do a damn google search you lazy sod!"
 
On one hand someone could post a very useful detailed answer that would probably get lots of hits via Google. On the other hand it is a poor question.
 
@Zoredache but the asker would get the badge :p
 
What badge?
 
@Zoredache for many hits to the page
 
6:07 PM
I don't care about badges. I care about getting useful information into the world. A good answer that is helpful to people is possible.
 
the 1kview, etc
 
@voretaq7 Mine would be remarkably similar
 
@Zoredache yes, but isn't this particular question pretty much a case-by-case answer?
 
@drachenstern It can really be reduced to the "outsourced versus in-house services" discussion. If someone can spot a nice question that covers that ground we could close it as a dupe.
 
@voretaq7, I don't agree that it is entirely outsourced vs in-house. There is a huge difference in the features offered by Google Apps and Exchange. With many drawbacks for each side. I am not aware of any single table or resource that does a feature by feature comparison of the two.
 
6:11 PM
I've done my best given I've got to cook dinner in 5 minutes
 
6:42 PM
Any SQL Server guys in here right now?
 
@Dynamo, whats up?
 
Crap...what's the utility in UNIX for giving random goofy quotes?
fortune.
nv
nm.
 
@DanBig Just having a weird situation with my maintenance plans. They started failing when I pointed them to backup to another server. Found a quick fix that said to add a '\' to the start of the package path in the actual job itself.
 
@#$%@#!
 
They're up and running now but I'm just wondering if anyone knows why it broke like that.
Hmmm another post I just found said that you don't even need th backslash you just need to edit the plan then click okay.
Might just be a weird bug with SSIS packages/Agent jobs or something.
 
6:55 PM
Good thing its working, I actually don't use SSIS, so I couldn't help if I wanted to.
 
Neither do I. SSIS scares me >_>.
 
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