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Fabby

10:00 PM

Yes, you will! Ask @Rinzwind...

Jacob Vlijm

@anonymous2 just considering it...

@Fabby He was a mod???

anonymous2

What a world of surprises.

@JacobVlijm, I would encourage you to consider it. Even if you don't get in against the fairly stiff competition which is threatening to emerge, it will serve to force voters to consider a bit more carefully whom they're voting for, rather than voting by default.

Fabby

@JacobVlijm He never was and never will and he's been around for a long time...

Byte Commander

Hey guys.

@ParanoidPanda Yes, I'm back from my week off.

Jacob Vlijm

@Fabby AHA, I thought so...

Byte Commander

10:04 PM

And I saw the site burning and going down in darkness and chaos... :-/

Fabby

@ByteCommander Why?

Byte Commander

Going to have a strong argument with this Shog guy about his vote reversal script! >:P

Fabby

I left him a note and a comment...

Byte Commander

And after that, going to nominate myself for the mod elections.

But those missing 6.6k points really hurt my candidate score.

user136984

I'm just writing my speech for that, why does it have to have a 1,500 character limit? Why???

user136984

10:06 PM

:D

Fabby

meh: not like you lost 6600€

Byte Commander

Couldn't he at least have waited until after the elections? Then I'd have had a 38/40 score.

user136984

Yes, I was thinking that too... So would have I...

user136984

But maybe he did it here specifically because of the elections.

Byte Commander

Now it's only 31 or so...

Phhh...

I'm going to strongly disagree.

user136984

10:07 PM

I think you're at 34 or something actually... I'm at 32...

Byte Commander

Do you know what a feeling that is? You get back from the hospital after a week, turn your computer on and log in to check your messages, glance at your profile score and the only thing you can do is to shout "Holy cow!" over and over?

I at least insist on getting informed about the rules of his script. Probably it reversed almost everything the affected users did to each other...

And this can't be the correct way to go. No.

And it would also be different if we only talked about votes. But we're also talking about ACCEPT votes and from what I've heard, bounties as well. Some posts seem to have entirely disappeared as well (not even 10k-visible).

Have you ever seen somebody serially accepting or bountying another user?

user136984

@ByteCommander: Well, the system accused me of serially accepting Fabby's and A.B.'s answers (I was asking lots of questions and they were providing great answers, that's all the large amount of accepts for them mean, not that I was maliciously voting for god sake) and then reversed all the reputation...

user136984

I also upvoted all those answers... Which made things worse...

user136984

I don't know, apparently most of the work was manual and not done by a script so that just makes it all even more crazy...

user136984

I mean, maybe there was something going on, but me accepting lots of answers from the same people who are the most active people on the site shouldn't really count as me being involved...

edwinksl

10:22 PM

who moderates what Shog does?

user136984

Right, back to my speech now... :)

user136984

@edwinksl: Maybe the SE devs...

Fabby

@edwinksl The shareholders...

edwinksl

i sure hope so

Fabby

@ParanoidPanda Nope: he is a dev...

user136984

10:23 PM

Oh dear...

Android Dev

@ByteCommander Yeah, I'll wager the SE devs are in hot water now.

edwinksl

i get why they are concerned about vote collusion

but so far there is no evidence of that

Byte Commander

@edwinksl Who watches the Watchmen? :-/

edwinksl

or at least Shog has not presented concrete evidence

although i am not affected, i still want to see Shog justifying why he did what he did

i prefer not to take his word at face value and "trust" he did the right thing

Fabby

There! I'm back to my Vorlon form!

user136984

10:25 PM

@Fabby: Are you?

Fabby

It'll take a while to replicate over...

Byte Commander

I'm going to ask him for the detailed criteria for which he reversed actions. I accept the actions if he can justify them to me and show evidence. But probably he can only really justify not even half of what they did!

edwinksl

@ByteCommander yes you should demand him to explain his actions

Fabby

@ByteCommander You won't get that...

It's a "secret algorithm"

edwinksl

@Fabby so this is what i would call heavy-handed moderation

Byte Commander

10:27 PM

For example, it unaccepted answers of Serg and Jacob Vlijm to my questions. (which I know because unaccept events showed up seperately in my rep log)

Fabby

(or creative people like me will still find a way around it)

Byte Commander

I NEVER EVER serially upvoted any of their posts on target.

Fabby

@edwinksl I'm not saying it isn't...

edwinksl

the burden of proof is on Shog

Byte Commander

They both simply always posts great answers into which they put great effort.

Fabby

10:28 PM

I'm just saying that SE doesn't care about the users: what I'm saying is that it only cares about the site itself!

Byte Commander

Am I no longer allowed to respect and reward that?

edwinksl

but i don't think SE wants to use AU power users leave though

Byte Commander

@Fabby We will see what I get. I can be bullheaded as well!

RolandiXor

Folks - let us not forget... votes a virtual.

Byte Commander

I wont threat to abandon the site though. That's simply in no relation and not what I want.

@RolandiXor Sure, the whole site is virtual. You are virtual to me and Shog is as well.

Fabby

10:31 PM

@edwinksl Meh, I left already: not enough time...

Byte Commander

I still care about it.

RolandiXor

The people are real.

The votes and reputation are not, however.

edwinksl

@RolandiXor that does not imply people should remove reps without justification

Byte Commander

Sure they are real. Votes are one of the core concepts of the site.

edwinksl

if they can do so, why bother with votes and reps in the first place

Fabby

10:32 PM

@RolandiXor First rule of management: Praise in public, chastise in private...

RolandiXor

@edwinksl I am not saying that.

@Fabby good rule.

Byte Commander

And While the reputation score itself is virtual, the privileges and prestige resulting from it are not.

Fabby

And Shog9 violated that rule... :P

RolandiXor

No.

Ultimately SE has a policy to enforce. Sometimes they might mess that up, but sacrifice is a key to growth.

Fabby

I left him a private message disclosing the "voting fraud" I committed, but IMHO, you can't just retro-actively pull the rep down. What he should have done is incorporated it on the voting fraud algorithm...

(and use it from that point forward)

edwinksl

10:35 PM

@Fabby did he actually call it "fraud"?

that's a strong word

Fabby

That is how you enforece...

Byte Commander

What exact policy are you talking about?

Fabby

@edwinksl Nope: that's what me, myself and I called it...

edwinksl

@Fabby ah ok, just wanted to make sure

Fabby

@ByteCommander The policy is:

Thou shalt not upvote users, just questions/answers...

Byte Commander

10:37 PM

The problem is that he probably undid all kinds of voting, including accepts and bounties, between every pair of users that meets a specific criteria, starting from Adam and Eve.

Fabby

I'm an old fart: we used to have a policy that Porn, abuse, violence, ....

RolandiXor

Did he publicly call you out for that?

Fabby

...were not allowed to be downloaded at work.

Byte Commander

You can't just say: "Oh, X upvoted 5 posts of Y on that day - lets simply nuke all actions between them from the past five years!"

Fabby

but we didn't enforce it unless someone started downloading entire DVDs...

And they always got a stern talking to first before enforcement took place...

But then: I'm a nice guy...

Byte Commander

10:39 PM

Yeah, this sudden action without warning is another point I'm angry about.

Fabby

We never had to actually enforce anything after the stern talking-to

Byte Commander

His script wasn't even working properly yet when he ran it!

Fabby

@ByteCommander Don't be angry about it

Byte Commander

I AM.

RolandiXor

O_o

Byte Commander

10:41 PM

It's not mainly about those 6k points - they took me about 3 months and I can regain them sooner or later. It's still almost 1/3 of my total score though.

However, I'm angry about how this whole thing happened in general.

user136984

@Fabby: You weren't actually accused of voting fraud though were you?

anonymous2

@ByteCommander Bear in mind that @Fabby lost over half. 17k. Just saying, he's qualified to make judgments on it.

Fabby

@ParanoidPanda No, but I acted on the borderline of decent...

and can understand that it upset the high-up devs...

Byte Commander

I'll candidate at the mod elections anyway. Loosing those points makes my candidate score look much less pretty, but I still have a valid chance. With a diamond, I would never have to worry about points again...

@anonymous2 So? A third is nothing then?

Fabby

@ByteCommander With a diamond, you won't have time to get more points...

anonymous2

10:43 PM

@ByteCommander Nope. Not a bit of it.

Byte Commander

Ts...

Fabby

Anyway, I need more sleep!

Pumpkin! ;-)

Byte Commander

Me too, but I'm far too excited now.

Fabby

Drink a bucket of ice cold water!

Byte Commander

@Fabby Pumpkin?

Fabby

10:45 PM

That'll cool you down!

Byte Commander

I always thought this means "firefighter" by the way, because that's "pompier" in French ;)

Fabby

You know!!! If I stay up after midnight, I'll turn into a pumpkin!

user136984

I think time for me to go to bed now too, I've mostly written my speech, just need to shorten it up a little now... But I think that I will do that tomorrow. :)

Byte Commander

Ah! :D

user136984

Goodnight all! :)

Fabby

10:46 PM

(thus "Pumpkin" = "Good night"

Night Panda.

Good night :)

Night Fabby.

@RolandiXor is that a pic of you in your avatar?

Byte Commander

Going to prepare my nomination article and my arguments for the discussion with Shog. Probably I'm going to have nightmares or accidentally eat my pillow.

Fabby

10:48 PM

:D :D :D

Byte Commander

So: Night myself!

Fabby

I'm going to have a smoke, then come back, then shut down

so Good night @ByteCommander

RolandiXor

11:02 PM

@Fabby yep

That's me while I was contemplating whether to invade your hapless planet or not.

@ByteCommander pillows are surprisingly nutritious. For bacteria.

Seth

@RolandiXor not much here you'd want, methinks :P

RolandiXor

@Seth so I have learned.

Now all I find myself contemplating is why I'd thought up invading your world in the first place.

Fabby

Man, I so need to come to Barbados:

RolandiXor

Is that you?

Fabby

Your suntan looks better then mine ---^ @RolandiXor ;-)

Yup!

(Sorry, forgot the wink!)

edwinksl

11:09 PM

aww the picture has been removed

RolandiXor

lol my suntan is natural :P - not quite solar powered

Fabby

Yeah? Try coming here!

RolandiXor

I would barely lose a shade :)

Fabby

6 months and it'l be washed off!

I had a friend from Martinique and he lived in Paris for 3 years and then went back home...

1/ he got a terrible sunburn

2/ his complexion when he came back was much darker!

RolandiXor

mine hardly changes even when I'm in a lot of sunlight

Fabby

11:12 PM

my point exactly: try having 6 months of rain and snow and no sun... ;-)

RolandiXor

won't change much lol

I am indoors all day

Fabby

you won't look as bad as me, but you'll still look like a vampire to your own mum!

;-)

Enough bantering: SLEEP!!!

RolandiXor

xD

Zacharee1

Anyone heard of the Remix Mini?

@Fabby you lost 17k?!

18k

Journeyman Geek

@Fabby you look kinda pale, like you're made of marble or something

@Zacharee1 I own one

Zacharee1

11:24 PM

How is it?

I can get one for $50 because I downloaded Remix OS for PC

Journeyman Geek

Its decent if you want a cheap, flexible set top box type device

Zacharee1

could be handy

Journeyman Geek

I'd find it more useful if it did composite out ._.

ironically

Zacharee1

What the hell

µTorrent started playing an ad for Verizon with audio and no way to mute it

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 why are you runnint utorrent? :(

Zacharee1

11:27 PM

To download Remix for PC

BitTorrent's blegh now

Journeyman Geek

I run qbitorrent mostly

Zacharee1

idk

Journeyman Geek

I have picotorrent on one windows box - its rediculously minumalist, and I can't use a torrent client without a rss feed feature

Zacharee1

why would you need RSS?

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 automated downloads

I can't go into more detail, cause yanno.

Zacharee1

11:30 PM

why would you want things to download automatically?

Journeyman Geek

Things that happen every week, and arn't linux livecds?

Zacharee1

Every new cracked game you want downloaded by itself?

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 I don't pirate games ;p

Zacharee1

orly

Journeyman Geek

nope

Zacharee1

11:31 PM

ylro

Journeyman Geek

I'm a cheapass and tend to grab anything free, or pay at least 40% less than retail price

but I never pirate games

Zacharee1

lol

Journeyman Geek

I wouldn't download a car either.

Zacharee1

If I could download a car.......

2 mins ago, by Journeyman Geek

I can't go into more detail, cause yanno.

That made me think illegal

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 I neither confirm nor deny that.

Cause we don't discuss piracy here ;)

Zacharee1

11:34 PM

huehuehue

James

11:48 PM

It's a RSS feed that has a "hot new Linux distribution of the week" to try out.

I was subscribed to one of those once

i wasn't able to keep up with all the different distros

RobotHumans

11:59 PM

I subscribed to a linux mag that bundled an article on the strength of a particular distro over others and a livedvd at one point. Not to install, but it was nice to have different "here's a flavor and what it's good at doing" from time to time.

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