Root Access

bwDraco

4:00 AM

I don't take this decision lightly, especially with the changes I've implemented since the suspension.

@qasdfdsaq Upon a closer look, it is clear that the command you entered never existed: chat.stackexchange.com/…

!!/:p

ChatBot John Cavil

@bwDraco That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: ;p

bwDraco

!!/;p

ChatBot John Cavil

bwDraco

Okay.

@qasdfdsaq Once again, please think before you post.

We do not tolerate insults directed at other users.

Journeyman Geek

I didn't see the flags

anyway @qasdfdsaq I'd think that sort of language is flaggable.

also, not a very creative insult ;p

@Daniel when one truely becomes a master, one has nothing left to learn.

bwDraco

4:11 AM

Of course, qasdf never saw my messages regarding the flag because he's ignored me.

As noted earlier, I was the first to flag that message.

Journeyman Geek

Also, if you're in the same room and not ignored, its fine to politely tell someone a post is out of line

if you're ignored, meh.

Bob

...I'm too tired for this.

@allquixotic *poke* you there?

allquixotic

4:28 AM

@Bob yeah

Bob

@allquixotic You still up for that game? (offline on steam)

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek This is the kind of stuff I never understand. Yelling shit and fuck is apparently OK but "asshole" isn't? And calling an actual person an actual asshole is OK but joking a non-existent person is an asshole isn't?

allquixotic

yeah

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq typically? Insulting a situation rather than a person is less offensive,

qasdfdsaq

And I even ask a mod if swearing is OK but can't get a straight answer because apparently the rules posted on meta don't apply the same here

@JourneymanGeek I was insulting a situation, the situation of my :p having been mysteriously deleted

Journeyman Geek

4:30 AM

also, that is einstein's grandson

AKA mr pringles.

He's... kinda on the secret list.

bwDraco

35 mins ago, by qasdfdsaq

Someone must have deleted it

Journeyman Geek

Also, just cause someone did it... a year ago...

bwDraco

The insult was directed at an unspecified person.

Journeyman Geek

2 years ago?

qasdfdsaq

Yeah but so am I so I still don't get what the difference is

Journeyman Geek

4:31 AM

and we're making fun of him?

Anyway, I was basically saying "If you're not happy with something, try talking to the person too"

jokerdino

@JourneymanGeek :O)))))))))))))

qasdfdsaq

Chances are either I deleted it myself or it got lost when the bot went down, neitehr really gives anyone to talk to, and it wasn't serious

Journeyman Geek

@jokerdino I will totally mock your stubby little dino arms.

jokerdino

:O((((((((((((((((((((((

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq precisely why I'd rather go "Hey dude, not cool" over a sush

bwDraco

4:33 AM

The context of that message was quite clearly indicative of a personal attack regardless.

qasdfdsaq

But seriously how the hell am I supposed to understand the rules when they basically go like this
1) Swearing and worse words than "asshole" are okay
2) Calling certain people an asshole is ok
3) Insulting a situation is OK
4) But ... apparently isn't

And c'mon, this?

Jun 19 '14 at 2:32, by Bob

Fucking arsehole.

Psycogeek

Imagine "In context" moderation, instead of blind flagging, what a concept. humans recognising herassment, spamming, and completly obnoxious, over textual assembly of specified words.

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq This was directed at a user in a different venue who had posted a low-quality forum thread reply.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq quoting people cussing feels a bit like "But mooooooooom, @bob did it"

qasdfdsaq

Well quite literally what am I doing that's different?

What exactly is the rule?

Psycogeek

4:36 AM

Don't post drunk #1 rule

Journeyman Geek

hm.

chat.stackexchange.com/faq#nice this is the closest thing to a rule I guess

qasdfdsaq

I already have a hard enough time telling what's appropriate thanks to my Aspergers but it's exponentially harder when there's unwritten rules that don't match the written rules that constantly apply differently depending on who's on at what time of day, when someone says the exact same thing

Journeyman Geek

er

f flags

39 mins ago, by SirPython

You have 5 flags on that message.

@qasdfdsaq so, basically 5 people felt that was offensive.

bwDraco

The climate here has changed. You've racked up a significant history of willful disruption in this room. Hence, it's only natural for us to be more vigilant for negative content.

Journeyman Geek

I'd rather have handled it differently

qasdfdsaq

4:38 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, so what made that more offensive than bob saying "fucking arsehole" for example?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq "mooooooom"

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I ... don't see what that explains?

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq try to consider each event in its own context

Psycogeek

When you live on the edge, dont be suprised, or really worried if you fall off said edge , move over a few feet.

Journeyman Geek

you don't know how that was handled.

qasdfdsaq

4:39 AM

Well it's in the transcript so it wasn't flagged and deleted, that's what I can see.

But even ignoring that, one mod says swearing is OK, another says decide for yourself, another says it's flaggable.

Thanks, clear as mud.

Journeyman Geek

yeah, sorry about that.

but that's how it is.

And really most moderation here is really relative.

Bob

@JourneymanGeek I suspect that was 5 out of dozens of eyes, and I've known people to mark a flag valid without ever looking at the context. So, all in all, not much.

Journeyman Geek

preeeeety much

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I suspect this is a case of "different times" :\

qasdfdsaq

Since I seem to lack an inherent sense of what's "acceptable" that NT's tend to have I just try to go by how other people behave. And if I get treated differently for apparently the same thing that's just bloody confusing.

bwDraco

4:42 AM

On its own, "Asshoes" (the complete text of the deleted message) is not flaggable. However, you had preceded it with "Someone must have deleted it". In that case, I had every reason to believe that the message was a personal attack and proceeded to flag it.

qasdfdsaq

I'm just gonna go hide and only talk to Bob, cause he's nice.

Journeyman Geek

....

I mean this entirely inoffensively but....

Psycogeek

and different people, or different feelings of the people at the moment. Still applies if your always getting into trouble, you could always step back further, or enjoy the attention you are getting when they think you worthy of being banned.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco heh, at this point, drop it please, you're somewhat overemotional about this issue.

bwDraco

I'll try to keep a cool head.

Bob

4:43 AM

@bwDraco To be perfectly honest, and having forgotten about that previous two-year-old message entirely, I think it might have been directed at the MS Forum user. Maybe.

I really don't know anymore.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq people hate the concept but 'chat culture' to an extent, and ya, it depends on who's handling it.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek My word still stands on not making moderation decisions on emotion.

Journeyman Geek

I personally favour light touch moderation

Unless you're a spammer

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Yea, mini discussion on that while you were asleep (I think)

bwDraco

I admit that the issues are not completely fixed. However, I'm actively working towards a solution and have been much more careful on whether to take a particular action on a post.

qasdfdsaq

4:44 AM

I don't think Bob's ever flagged me. Or at least hasn't admitted it. Have you? Have you bob? o_0

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Refer to said mini-discussion :P

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq if I ever suspend you (which i have), I've tried to give you an explaination

@Bob linkie?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek Starts about here

qasdfdsaq

Oh that.

bwDraco

Notice: My promise to not act on emotion now extends to all actions taken on Stack Exchange, not merely moderation actions such as flagging.

qasdfdsaq

4:46 AM

I sorta missed half of it cause I was playing agar and only half paying attention

Bob

@JourneymanGeek And especially here

bwDraco

agar.io

Journeyman Geek

yup

@Bob that sums it up pretty well

qasdfdsaq

Yeah that clears it up... not >_>

21 hours ago, by qasdfdsaq

!!learn ;) <>http://i.stack.imgur.com/GjpBK.jpg

Dec 10 '15 at 15:21, by qasdfdsaq

!!learn :-o <>http://i.imgur.com/el2EsVb.gif

Journeyman Geek

Yeah, THAT I am curious about

qasdfdsaq

4:49 AM

Looks like I never added a :-p

Journeyman Geek

!!learn ;) <>http://i.stack.imgur.com/GjpBK.jpg

ChatBot John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek Command ;) already exists

Just a :-o

!!;)

4:49 AM

ahh

NOW it works

qasdfdsaq

chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=ahh&user=&room=118

!!ahh

Journeyman Geek

Yes, I say Ahh a lot

ChatBot John Cavil

qasdfdsaq

Ah well, managed to get nearly halfway through the month without getting flagged and suspended.

-_-

Journeyman Geek

lol

And while we're talking about talking to people...

qasdfdsaq

4:52 AM

Always think positive and look on the bright side right?

I mean if I had gone any longer, it'd just make it a harder record to break next time round.

bwDraco

I certainly don't think this is worthy of a suspension. This is more of a heads-up, a reminder that you need to watch what you say.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco quoting yourself and making pronouncements about future behavior is annoying.

qasdfdsaq

Right? Riiiight?

Journeyman Geek

(and we're in full on psudo mod mode too. There's a mod in house, I can handle it!)

@qasdfdsaq some records are best not kept.

Psycogeek

50 lashes with a wet noodle!

Journeyman Geek

4:53 AM

I've not been suspended in... oh, 5 years?

bwDraco

Don't stress yourself. Once again, I overreacted a bit.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek I dunno, if I didn't keep a record of how long I can go, what motivation do I have to beat it?

Psycogeek

Ahh i have been suspended and banned from much better places than this :-)

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq I didn't get suspended today!

And the day before

Actually I've only been kickbanned once

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Yeah but you're a dog

People like dogs.

People don't like qasdfdsaqs.

Journeyman Geek

4:54 AM

and no one seemed to know why, and they weren't a very nice bunch.

Clearly cat people

@qasdfdsaq also, I try to be generally nice and slightly inoffensive ;p

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I think it's the santa hat

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek sob Lots of changes needed on my end. I'm way, way, way too heavy-handed in my approach to moderation.

qasdfdsaq

Apparently when people see the name they instantly think "spammer" or "chinese isk farmer" if you're playing EVE

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco overdramatic.

once again, tone down

@qasdfdsaq clearly you need a new username.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek But you've also used worse cuss words than "asshole".

@JourneymanGeek Well i did temporarily change it to DragonLord for a few minutes last year

Journeyman Geek

4:56 AM

@qasdfdsaq and no one cares ;)

and I tend to cuss in hokkien and clanner.

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, cause you're a dog, people forgive you because they like dogs.

I've been meaning to get a more... professional username for a while now too, for job applications and the such

And business cards, etc.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq lol. My original username was "The Journeyman Geek"

Dropped the The about 5 minutes after finding chat, I think @studiohack changed it for me, cause it was odd to @the

qasdfdsaq

At least @qasdfdsaq's easy

There's only one other @Q in here, and it's someone I've never heard of or talked to

Noooooooo!

That was the best I could think of :-/

Journeyman Geek

I think @allquixotic had a tendancy of odd charecters in the past

and there was this guy whose username broke chat...

qasdfdsaq

Yeah I linked it earlier:

Jul 23 '14 at 15:45, by ÃŁŁǫǛȉЖΦΤїҪ

FUCK.......

Bob

4:59 AM

@qasdfdsaq You can be q@noitsbecky.org :P

bwDraco

Alright. It's really hard to not constantly seek attention. Any thoughts? (We might want to bring this to Ask a Super User Moderator for further discussion)

in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, Sep 24 '15 at 12:44, by balpha

WE KNOW THE BUG EXISTS, I'M WORKING ON IT. STOP PINGING ᔕᖺᘎᕊ OTHERWISE I'LL HAVE TO FREEZE THIS ROOM TEMPORARILY.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco you're doing it now.

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Interesting... though I might get questions about the domain, which I would find tiring to answer

Hah what about tswift@noitsbecky.com

That would be one epic injoke.

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek This was an outside reference.

Journeyman Geek

This is one of those hard problems, How does one deal with someone who is consistantly demanding attention?

qasdfdsaq

5:00 AM

But then I'd have a hard time claiming I'm not a tswift fan.

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq sure you are. Its part of the unwritten rules of the channel.

qasdfdsaq

Did I mention I hate unwritten rules? I hate unwritten rules.

And also Taylor Swift

I haven't listened to taylor swift in ~~minutes~~ weeks

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Maybe flip it around? Who knows, maybe the interviewer is a ts fan too

Journeyman Geek

(Fun fact, I'd never listened to ~~Becky~~ Taylor Swift before here)

Bob

lol

@JourneymanGeek You're the one who gave me that test FLAC :P

Journeyman Geek

5:02 AM

(Actually I have a song by someone called becky. Its a horrible earworm)

@Bob I did!

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Who me?

I only do it because my parents never gave me enough attention as a kid

Journeyman Geek

@qasdfdsaq naw. You react well to occational smacks on the nose with a rolled up newspaper.

qasdfdsaq

Mostly because my parents were never around when I was a kid

s/rolled up newspaper/kickban/

Journeyman Geek

same difference ;p

bwDraco

@JourneymanGeek I'm trying to solve this on my end.

qasdfdsaq

5:04 AM

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco I'd hope that being aware of the issue is a start

bwDraco

This is the same reason the open letter contained a promise to not make moderation decisions on emotion.

jokerdino

Hey, it's Sunday today.

bwDraco

I stand by my word.

qasdfdsaq

Oh god it's 5am already

I needed to be in bed 6 hours ago :-/

bwDraco

5:06 AM

I'm less likely to act out today than I was before the suspension, but the smallest emotions are amplified by the fact that all it takes is a little bit of formatting to add huge emphasis to posts. This makes it harder to keep emotions in check when online.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco you're still taking yourself much too seriously.

@jokerdino yup. it is

were I at home, I'd be at the dog run ;)

qasdfdsaq

@JourneymanGeek Wait you're still not home?

Journeyman Geek

naw

in india, at my granma's, hanging out with the enormous GSD pup

bwDraco

It's not my intention to act out. It's not my desire to cause disruption. It's my long history of fighting to keep myself well-behaved at all times, and it makes it really hard to not call attention to my struggles.

qasdfdsaq

Urgh I was gonna go sleep before all this drama.

To all you haters:

bwDraco

5:10 AM

I'm constantly fighting to avoid losing control of myself.

^ that big lug

He looks... stoned

naw, he's taking a nap

bwDraco

It's much harder to detect that I'm losing my temper when participating in chat online.

jokerdino

5:14 AM

hmm, participating?

bwDraco

This is an ongoing area of research for me, and I'm looking to respond faster to warning signs, even without outside prompting.

Of course, the best solution is to remain even-tempered at all times so that this isn't necessary at all.

Problem is that it would require fundamental changes to my personality.

Journeyman Geek

@bwDraco well, constantly talking about it probably dosen't help much

jokerdino

First step would be to chatting with us normally.

Journeyman Geek

yup

jokerdino

Instead of analysing or quoting older messages. :(

Journeyman Geek

5:16 AM

rather than trying to steer chat one way, and failing

yup

qasdfdsaq

imgur.com/gallery/bxu1DN9 (80MB GIF)

bwDraco

I'm always fighting to behave my best, every time, without fail, and I won't give up.

jokerdino

:'(

@qasdfdsaq 80 MB for that?

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq woof

jokerdino

My net must not be so shit after all.

qasdfdsaq

5:18 AM

@jokerdino Hey at least I didn't onebox it

bwDraco

@jokerdino It's being played as HTML5 video there.

jokerdino

@qasdfdsaq that would be a flag worthy offense.

@bwDraco ah, no wonder

qasdfdsaq

@jokerdino And yet I'ven ever been flagged for it :-/

^^ @Bob

bwDraco

i.imgur.com/bxu1DN9.gif is 80 MB.

jokerdino

I value my bandwidth, thank you.

bwDraco

5:21 AM

(Note that Imgur does not allow links to video content without a referer or with a referer other than Imgur; they are redirected to the main content page.)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I wonder what the 10%/hours were :P

qasdfdsaq

That's about 21.5 hours in total, 4.5 hours screen on (well OK, 21.5 hours screen on, 17 hours of always-on-display though)

Bob

But even that's really impressive.

Journeyman Geek

lol

qasdfdsaq

2 hours of GPS signal logging and wifi scanning

Bob

5:21 AM

Ahh, that'd eat a chunk

qasdfdsaq

bout half an hour of youtube videos

Bob

Hm. Now I just have to wait and see a G5 comparison.

qasdfdsaq

Put another way, my S4/S5 would run out of battery after about 4 hours of signal logging/scanning (from a 100% battery).

Bob

But it's already looking pretty good for the S7

bwDraco

I am stepping out as a precaution. I was about to onebox the video.

Bob

5:22 AM

The only thing is ... it's Exynos and not an SD820 :\

qasdfdsaq

I think whatever hardware tweaks/optimizations they made for the always-on display has made it very efficient at always-on display

(as in, screen uses a lot less power per hour than previous phones, when on and not taxing the CPU)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq I get some 4 hours of SOT with my G4, just web browsing. 3 hours if doing something CPU intensive

qasdfdsaq

2.25 hours of CPU use from Android OS/System o_0

@Bob Hmm. I thought most phones did 6-8 hours of web browsing these days

blog.gsmarena.com/lg-g4-battery-life

8 hours web browsing, supposedly

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Huh. Really?

Though tbh I've never really timed this

qasdfdsaq

(The S6 got 11 hours on the same test)

Bob

5:25 AM

Maybe it's also to do with brightness? Use outdoors? :S

> We kept the brightness slider at 50%, which results in around 100nits. That’s just a fifth of the screen’s max brightness

qasdfdsaq

Possibly.

Bob

Mine's auto, weighted towards lower

qasdfdsaq

I know my phone spent about an hour at max brightness today, as I was outdoors for biking lessons

Bob

But even indoor use I'd only expect 50% to last maybe 2-3 hours

qasdfdsaq

Weird. Wifi or LTE?

Bob

5:27 AM

@qasdfdsaq wifi

qasdfdsaq

To be fair it seems the LG G4 doesn't do particularly well on battery life.

Bob

I should property time it sometime

qasdfdsaq

Bob

@qasdfdsaq To be fair, that's the last 50%

As in, when I expect to use it for browsing for 3 hours I'm nor comfortable with just a 50% charge

I think the actual discharge measurement isn't linear

It spends a whole lot longer on 100%, for example

qasdfdsaq

> The overall Endurance rating is 54 hours, which is about average. It’s well below the Galaxy S6 though and it’s not just because of worse individual scores either – the standby power draw was pretty high, which further lowers the final score.

Bob

5:29 AM

So maybe I can squeeze out 8 hours indoors on wifi and low brightness

@qasdfdsaq Also apparently there's a hell of a lot of variance.

qasdfdsaq

Heh, Galaxy S6 active gets >16 hours web browsing

Bob

I've heard of some getting only 1-2 hours SOT

bwDraco

Bob

And I can leave mine on standby for 12 hours with literally no drop in battery %

qasdfdsaq

Yeah, it depends a lot on what web pages as well, and I guess they're doing synthetic tests with no actual finger-on-screen contact

Bob

5:30 AM

@qasdfdsaq That too. And I'm using FF mobile which probably uses more power than Chrome

...the 400 tabs probably don't help :P

qasdfdsaq

(My old S4 boosted CPU from <400Mhz to a minimum of 1.2Ghz whenever the touchscreen was being touched)

Bob

On the other hand, I'm on mostly text pages

Generally no videos, not really any pictures, not even interesting scrolling side-to-side. Almost text-only mobile sites.

qasdfdsaq

My S7 is being weird. Yesterday, I was actively trying to get the CPU speed to go up but it wouldn't go above 800Mhz

Today, it's sticking at 1.3Ghz when I'm touching the screen

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq Is it overheating?

qasdfdsaq

Also it seems cores #7 and #8 are always asleep when the screen is on

bwDraco

5:32 AM

My phone can die quickly if I use it hard, but this isn't usually the case. Because I came from a really simple phone, I'm not quite tethered to my Nexus 5X; I have it on me and I do browse the web and do stuff on it, but I try not to overdo it.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq How do you view that?

bwDraco

@qasdfdsaq Again, thermal?

qasdfdsaq

The app the screenshot above comes from

System Panel or something (it's chanaged names since I bought it)

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Oh, you just correlate usage with CPU speed?

Not some live overlay?

I've been using GSAM

qasdfdsaq

Oh there's a live overlay but I rarely care enough to bother

Bob

5:33 AM

Hm. I might try later.

I don't really want to ditch GSAM right now and running two system loggers would be dumb

qasdfdsaq

Should point out the S7 has a lot of nice power-saving features - they've adopted a lot of tricks Sony had on the Z3 series

Bob

@qasdfdsaq ?

bwDraco

I try to keep my devices as free of extraneous junks as possible.

qasdfdsaq

Well System Panel isn't the best system logger, it's just what i'm used to.

bwDraco

I don't run too many widgets or background apps. I just install the ones I need.

qasdfdsaq

5:34 AM

Also Samsung seem to be fairly accurate with the "1-2% per hour" that always-on-display uses

Test

Damn

bwDraco

I have a lightweight CPU monitor and Velis Auto Brightness, and a few other apps with very lightweight logging, but nothing very complex.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq Isn't that the same claim LG made with the G5?

Which is all the more interesting because they're not using OLED...

@qasdfdsaq What tricks?

Hm... is there any way to run the display in 1080p? :P

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Dunno, I wasn't paying much attention to LG

I think LG only has a small special part of the display on though, whereas the Samsung thing just uses the normal display.

@Bob It's got things like "hibernating" apps, and restricting batching background data for certain apps, and disabling apps from running in the background if you haven't used them for 3+ days, etc.

They also have the "Ultra power saving mode" which basically reboots the phone in "safe mode" with black and white display and only core apps (phone, messaging, calendar, etc.). Though they had that on the S5 too

What's weird is the detailed battery graph in Android seems to have gone in 6.x, it no longer shows screen on time, gps, signal, and wifi time, etc. like it did in 4/5

Y'know what? I wonder if they'll be making a Galaxy S7 active.

I'd be seriously tempted.

Bob

@qasdfdsaq IIRC the hibernation thing is a Marshmallow thing?

qasdfdsaq

@Bob Maaaaybe?

Sony had it in the Z3. Samsung has it in the S7. That's all I know :-/

Bob

5:47 AM

@qasdfdsaq androidcentral.com/…

Oh, only when idle.

Hibernation does sound a lot like Greenify though.

qasdfdsaq

It's basically Greenify, but better.

And I don't have doze (I think) and the battery details page is missing on my phone :-/

bwDraco

digiday.com/publishers/…

It seems as if super-aggressive advertising is the only way to stay afloat in today's hyper-competitive online publishing business.

Like it or not, online advertising is a competitive venture. If you don't follow your competitors in running high-impact ad units, you will eventually see lower and lower revenue (even if your number of unique impressions per day remains steady) as advertisers want to make a strong impact and therefore pay less and less for simple banner ads with time.

...and when online publishing is your business, less ad revenue = fewer resources to deliver quality content = lower impressions over time. It's a death spiral from the standpoint of the webmaster.

You have to advertise, and advertise aggressively if you're to survive in the business.

As bad as this may be to everyday content consumers, it's the truth.

Psycogeek

and users will block them all more and more , the only banners i still see are the ones that just sit there, and dont bother me, i have even clicked on them oh 2 or three time in years. The more agressive they get, the more they tick me off, the more i block them, and wouldnt buy from them.

bwDraco

People are spending less and less. Costs are steadily growing. The only way for online publishers to keep up is to advertise more and more aggressively.

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