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3:01 PM
pretty much ;p
And I don't want to see excessive changes due to a few troublemakers.
 
+1 ^^^
 
Bob
It would be nice to have an official policy. I just hope said policy doesn't end up killing chat a la TCR.
 
(both in terms of users and rooms)
@Bob Hence me suggesting the theory of moderation as a outline
It works well here
 
TCR?
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek I'm a bit wary about them applying main site standards to chat.
 
3:06 PM
The Comms Room
 
Bob
@DavidPostill SF room. Was very active, until all the active users migrated out and now it's basically dead.
 
But they also had the whole disagreement with scope too
and a few vocal, slightly bitter users
 
Ah. OK
 
And personally I feel the scope related issues were more a thing than chat related issues
 
@JourneymanGeek :26058232 That just deepens the mystery :-/
 
3:09 PM
granted there were a few incidents
@qasdfdsaq I misread pom.xml as porn.xml ;p
rn and m look similar
 
pom
Ah!
Now it all makes sense
._.
 
@Bob Is that SFW? ;)
 
Bob
@DavidPostill Yep.
Tales From Tech Support.
Well, it's as safe as any reddit link could be...
The act of being on reddit itself might not be safe for work :P
 
I was joking ... one of my favourite sites along with BOFH :)
 
Bob
3:12 PM
> You've earned the "Necromancer" badge
o.O
 
Congrats!
 
Spammers are using emoji now? Its the new goddamned blink tag :(
 
Bob
O_O
 
o_0
!!learn o_0 <>http://i.imgur.com/8aDgrah.png
 
@qasdfdsaq Command o_0 learned
 
3:16 PM
@JourneymanGeek the canine pre-delivery warning system here goes off when UPS is 1 block away, but USPS can go by unnoticed. UPS sometimes has milkbones :-)
 
!!learn :-o test
 
@qasdfdsaq Command :-o learned
 
!!:-o
 
@qasdfdsaq test
 
!!forget :-o
 
3:16 PM
@qasdfdsaq Command :-o forgotten.
 
!!forget o_0
 
@qasdfdsaq Command o_o does not exist. Did you mean: o_0
@qasdfdsaq Command o_0 forgotten.
 
@Psycogeek DHL guys gave ash a teddy in the old office so he loves em. No idea how my package is being shipped outside 'expedited air mail'
and I'm horrible about waiting for new toys, but all y'all knew that.
 
Bob
Heh. I'm still checking multiple times daily. And it's not nearly as fancy as your toy.
 
@Bob oh, its not shipped yet ;p
tho, the address thing is sorted.
 
3:18 PM
@JourneymanGeek Don't you live at the top of a tower block? Is the broken doorbell on your front door or in the lobby 30 floors below?
 
@DavidPostill its on my front door
24 actually
Its sort of govenment housing, we don't have fancy things like doorbells in lobbies.
 
!!shocked
 
@qasdfdsaq That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
Ah. I was wondering how Ash knew you had a visitor 24 floors below ...
 
!!learn shocked <>http://i.imgur.com/uw754JV.gif
 
3:20 PM
@qasdfdsaq Command shocked learned
 
!!shocked
 
@DavidPostill mom's convinced he knows I'm in the lift on my way up
 
!!learn :-o <>http://i.imgur.com/el2EsVb.gif
 
3:21 PM
@qasdfdsaq Command :-o learned
 
or we leave a note asking them to call the house number
 
!!learn taytaywtf <>http://i.imgur.com/U39Fh3I.gif
 
@qasdfdsaq Command taytaywtf learned
 
I think its cause of the sea breeze but out doorbells usually conk out after a year
 
I'm so used to DPD's real-time tracking that I get super impatient with any company that takes hours to update their tracking statuses
(DPD shows you on a map the real-time location of your delivery van)
 
3:23 PM
@qasdfdsaq oh, my monitor hasn't shipped yet
 
I think Bob was waiting for something?
 
ahh
oh
also there's toll...
 
Who knows, maybe I'm confused
Just spent three hours staring at the back of a dozen heads
 
who's dumped packages into the little slot we have on our gate, and vanished.
no signatures, nuffin
 
Not as bad as the one guy we had here who left a note saying "Your parcel has been left in your designated safe place:

*Sorry on the roof*"
 
Bob
3:25 PM
@qasdfdsaq Heh. Dominoes Pizza claims to do that here.
 
Bob
Except it usually updates after they get here.
 
ups dropped a 26lb box 5 blocks away from my house at an "access point" (aka tiny dry cleaner) and i had to walk that shit home
 
Bob
Which usually happens about an hour after I order... minimum -_-
They're ten minutes walk away, five minutes drive max!
 
also we walked by about 4 UPS trucks on the way home
 
Bob
3:26 PM
(no, I don't walk down there in 40 deg C weather)
 
Dominos seem OK here
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Was waiting for a few things. Meelec Matrix2 headphones, bunch of USB => SATA adapters, cheapo SSD...
 
Usually they deliver quickly and the tracking is right
 
Bob
They'll probably all arrive on Monday :(
I wanted to play with them on the weekend
 
Most things I get from Amazon are DPD, and they're by far the most reliable courier in the UK.
 
Bob
3:27 PM
@qasdfdsaq the... roof? O_O
 
And as I say, not bad having a concrete delivery timeslot, and real-time satellite tracking
 
Bob
how the...
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq heh, delivery timeslots. even redeliveries here are basically "be home all day, or else"
 
That small white box...
 
Bob
3:27 PM
@qasdfdsaq how?!
 
@Bob DPD gives us 1-hour timeslots and they are not permitted to deliver outside that slot
 
Bob
did he aim for the window and miss?
so many questions
 
(As in the driver's PDA will refuse to allow him to scan a parcel outside the delivery window)
@Bob Yes.
 
Bob
o.O
 
> Yodel apologised to Ajmal for the 'overly enthusiastic attempt to deliver a parcel for a customer who was out: aiming for an open window, he missed and found the roof'.
> It told MailOnline: 'It was obviously a silly thing to do and this is very embarrassing. To his credit, the driver returned to the house with some ladders in his own time to retrieve the parcel and apologise to the customer.
 
3:29 PM
@qasdfdsaq You need a drone to reach an open window in my apartment ;p
@qasdfdsaq I was about to say you totally need the picture.
 
Bob
@Ohnana oh, those are fun. nearest (toll? tnt?) collection point is across the suburb. takes 30 mins to get there by public transport, it's some 2km away.
hm... might be 3km
 
@qasdfdsaq bahaha
"i got this!" /fling "ooooh i don't got this"
 
Oh, I'm worried my shipment may get stuck in customs, which is a TINY office in postal HQ
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq That... wat.
 
so I can pay tax
 
3:30 PM
There's a few pickup store within a block of my house. But DPD have never once been outside their allocated timeslot, at least not once a parcel gets on a van and actually gets given a timeslot
 
I'm cool with paying tax, just not lugging shit back for that
@qasdfdsaq 0_0
 
Bob
local post office is ~15 mins walk away
 
Wait. A delivery company that sounds... quite good
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek wonder how much it costs!
 
Thankfully work is only 10 minutes away from home so when I get the message with a 1-hour window I can pop home right in the middle of it, sign for the parcel, and be back at work within an hour.
 
3:31 PM
@Bob oh, if its DHL, they have an office across the road.
 
@JourneymanGeek Yeah. Their Trustpilot ratings are miles ahead of anyone else
 
I'd still need to get someone to drive me and/or grab the trolly.
 
In recent rankings of customer satisfaction it went something like this:
DPD: 70%
UPS, DHL, everyone else: 40%
Yodel: 10%
 
and ours has a bad wheel so it sounds like a tank platoon...
 
They have been late three or four times when they mixed up the vans on the way to my local distribution centre, and once when the van broke down.
But that's out of over 100 deliveries, whereas Yodel fails to be on time 90% of the time
@Bob If you look at their website RRPs, a lot
 
Bob
3:33 PM
@qasdfdsaq how's royal mail?
 
@Bob Pretty decent. Their depot is at the end of my road. Guaranteed usually arrives on time but non-guaranteed is a nightmare
 
Bob
almost everything comes by auspost for me
 
@Bob hmm
 
Bob
even the amazon i-parcel (UPS) is passed on to auspost
 
Next day guaranteed has always arrived next day, but Standard 24-hour and Standard 48 hour take like 5-10 days
 
3:34 PM
I wasn't around when my dell came in.
 
Bob
my matrix2 and SATA stuff are coming by i-parcel
SSD is coming through direct auspost for some reason
 
and I have no idea what amazon does.
toll is slightly shit
singpost is pretty good
 
ParcelFarce are actually pretty good. I had a lot of stuff shipped from NL. Came when it said it would (lots of seperate deliveries).
 
Also the postmen know roughly who lives where.
 
@Bob Most UK retailers (Amazon, Scan, Overclockers, etc.) charge £5-10 for a DPD shipment. However on DPD's website their minimum prices are like £30 for a small parcel, plus £30 Sat/Sun surcharge
 
3:35 PM
Parcelfarse!
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq 5-10?! o.O
 
When in reality retailers pay £1-2 surcharge
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq I think typical for a small auspost parcel is $10 from most websites
 
@Bob We have plenty cheaper through brokers or through the national postal service. DPD is a "premium" business-only provider
 
Bob
so... can we get dpd here? :P
 
3:36 PM
;p
 
Bob
(the massive distances involved in aus probably makes that impractical)
 
@Bob most of it is dropbear infested tho
 
Part of DPD's magic is their single hub/single sort system
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq premium that costs as much as standard here :\
 
@JourneymanGeek Thats what ParcelForce (Parcelforce Worldwide is a trading name of Royal Mail Group Ltd.) get called by the peeps who don't like them ;)
 
3:36 PM
which is why most of you live in massive walled cities defended by giant mecha.
@DavidPostill ahh
 
They just go Retailer => DPD Hub => Delivery branch => You
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek nah, you're thinking of japan
we just apply a daily vegemite rub
keeps em away
 
@Bob no, they have giant lizards
 
Whereas UPS go Retailer => Receiving depot => Some other depot => Regional sorting hub => Some other depot => Some vague location 100 miles away => You
 
and its too pricy to have giant walled cities
they just move out, then rebuild using the insurance money.
 
3:38 PM
Basically my last UPS parcel stopped overnight at every single city up the length of England and Scotland.
 
Bob
o.O
 
lol
@qasdfdsaq singapore is tiny ;p
 
Yeah Singaporeans cheat
 
though my packages bounce through quite a few places first.
Even then
 
Which reminds me I still need to book my Singapore hotel and flights before the prices become astronomical
 
3:38 PM
I've had packages take 2-3 days after hitting the island
 
Well the prices are already astronomical, but before they become too astronomical even for astronomers.
 
Hong Kong is similarly tiny, but it seems parcels can take 10-15 days just to get out of the city
And then 2 days to make it around the world to the UK
 
oh
two words
china post.
When DX used to use them, it was a good way to send yourself a surprise present.
I'd order something
then it took so long I forgot
 
@HoD At least for moderm PCs, your claim that "a VRM lowers the voltage from +12V or +5V to whatever the CPU needs" is not accurate, despite (or because) you copied it from Wikipedia. There's an additional 3.3V rail for the CPU. Modern CPUs typically work with less than 1.5V. Generating that from 5V (or even 12V...) would be unreasonable. — Class Stacker 5 hours ago
 
3:40 PM
Ahah. My flatmate did exactly that, with DX as well.
And every other week some post would come in and it's like "Oh hey it's that cool gadget I ordered 2 months ago"
 
Oddly i think it is from the 12V only on modern CPU, while it would seem strage to do the like 1V from the 12 i assume it uses a method that is series , dividing much of the voltages out.
 
"I forgot I bought that"
 
yuuuup
 
@Psycogeek Class Stacker is completely wrong
 
Oh I don't buy stuff that often
but yeah
and blah
I may need to get some DP and HDMI cables
Tempted to go the DX route, but something tells me I should probably not cheap out on those
 
3:44 PM
there was a time when the CPU power was derived from the 5V , and the many 5V lines provided on the 20pin (before the 24pin) connection.
The only reason i knew about it (5V) is overclockers underestimating the amperage when raising the voltages , had cooked that at times or even meltdown burned it.
 
Yep. With modern CPUs using 100-200w at the high end, feeding 40 amps off 5v is just absurd
 
hm
DP cables are oddly pricy
 
Incidentally even a high-end power supplies barely enough power off 5v or 3.3v to power a modern CPU anymore. A lot of sites have been testing crossloads on PSU reviews incidentally, and jokingly adding you shouldn't try running a Pentium 3 off a 2015 PSU
 
I'm seeing them at 15 sgd , and 30 sgd for 4k ones at dx
(and they're the same bloody standard so... I donno)
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Not if you connect the 5v via large copper busbars! :D
 
3:50 PM
@JourneymanGeek Lol, I'm drowning in them.
@Bob When was the last time you saw an ATX cable with large copper busbars?
 
@qasdfdsaq I hardly have any stuff that uses t
 
@JourneymanGeek Pretty much every monitor in my home including my flatmates' came with at least one DP cable
 
I'm barely starting to have HDMI cables spare
 
And with the G-Sync gamers I used to live with, they've got spares. And all HP corporate displays are DP only where I work
 
@qasdfdsaq I'm not sure what the korean comes with
 
3:51 PM
@qasdfdsaq yea much has changed, there isnt anything there at the 3.3 in a modern PSU to do that.
 
I paid maybe £5 for an extended DP cable?
 
I'd prefer to use DP for my desktop since I'm planning on using HDMI for the brix (which i doubt will do 4k anyway)
Yeah, DX prices seem nonsensicalish
 
I'm seeing them at £3.50 or less on Ebay
 
yeah, might need to see
 
2m cable for £2.05 with free postage from Hong Kong
 
3:53 PM
or get em locally
I do need to do a SLS run
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Now you have me wondering if anyone's actually tried something like that. Though of course it'd probably fry the traces on the mobo.
 
@Bob On the old boards, probably not
High end overclocking boards run off 12v so need to deal with far less amperage
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq They could take 20+A?
 
Well all modern boards run off 12v.
 
@qasdfdsaq assuming I need one.
I so totally bought a monitor sight unseen ._.
 
3:54 PM
But as it stands the highest I've reached is 300w on my CPU, running at a tad under 2v.
So my CPU would be taking 160 amps, my mainboard taking 30A or so over 12v
(Incidentally there's a reason about 60% of the pins on Intel's 1150 pin processors are dedicated to power delivery)
 
Bob
Hmm... actually, the required trace cross-sectional area to carry 20A is surprisingly small: circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2006/01/31/…
For 10cm you only need something like 1mmx2mm
 
The bigger version ships sans cable on newefgg
bigger/va
 
Bob
(though 1mm is probably crazy thick for a PCB trace)
 
@Bob And yet, I managed to melt a cable with just 10A. I used a speaker cable to connect my UPS batteries
 
@Bob repcapped.
 
Bob
3:56 PM
@JourneymanGeek nice
 
@qasdfdsaq 0_0
 
It caught fire and melted through one of the batteries
 
After that I went back and found the 60A fused bridge that actually came with the UPS and used that instead.
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq what CPU?
 
3:56 PM
my last workplace had a good local supplier but I don't have access to those emails ;p
 
@Bob i7 920 and Xeon W3680
 
Bob
Ah. Enthusiast and server.
 
Same socket, same board
Incidentally the W3680 is just a rebadged i7 980x
 
Bob
(was surprised at 300W on a more standard consumer CPU... didn't think they went that high)
 
ahh, curve
 
3:58 PM
Normal mainstream desktop CPUs are 65w-95w these days, 130-160w on the high-end workstation/server platforms
 
Bob
@qasdfdsaq Yea, I was thinking around 100W.
 
Although with Intel's latest Skylake range, only the high-end mainstream (overclocking) SKUs go above 65w now
 
my 4770 reaches ~160W (overclocked but only slightly overvoltage) when all 4 cores are roaring, like when testing or encoding full force.
 

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