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4:00 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit not unless you've got something wicked up your sleeve

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Q: Factoryclass versus Factorymethod in POJO

I have this java class, which is used to create JSON objects: public class DataType extends Displayable { @JsonProperty private final int dataType; @JsonProperty private final String className; @JsonProperty private int dimension; @JsonCreator private DataType...

java factory-method

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@ThomasOwens People quoting that one sentence as if it is the entire set of on-topic rules for SO disappoint me.

thoughts on migrating here? I edited it to be better

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> Programmers Stack Exchange is a Q&A site for professionals and students in software development and related fields who are interested in getting expert answers on conceptual questions about software development.

seems squarely on topic

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4:00 PM

If you just take this sentence on its own and nothing else, MOST questions you lot close are on-topic.

(By comparison)

albeit perhaps uninteresting

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Talk about creating work for mods:

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Hey! After discussion with a member of Programmers.SE, we think your question would be a good fit there as it is a concern of design! You should try to post it on that site! — TopinFrassi 54 secs ago

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@enderland A little bit too opiniony, but should be fine here

in The 2nd Monitor, 1 min ago, by enderland

@TopinFrassi it can be migrated, too

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4:01 PM

BTW everything I said above comes together into one main "fact": looking at SO this way is how we maintain [lol] quality. There's no reason that people can't get "help" while abiding by this abstraction/idiom/paradigm. But it will be from a quality repository of quality information presented in a quality fashion.

@RobertHarvey s/pedants/peasants/f ? Please sir, can you spare a for loop?

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Topicality is not the issue. We do close a lot of on topic (design and architecture) questions. Endless discussion however... It's on topic.

@MichaelT sometimes on topic questions are dupes too

for the record, I believe a lot of the questions we close are on-topic, but unanswerable

@MichaelT I agree with this.

4:02 PM

CLOSE EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME.

most people don't seem to make a distinction between those things

Writing a well-scoped question is more difficult than scope.

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In short, everyone's wrong but me, all the time. Cheers

S C O P E C E P T I O N

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Might as well just make it Lightness.SE eh

4:03 PM

Greetings from the future ! (It's 1A.M. 8th of December)

and there's a great example right on cue

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Q: I'm interested in devolping a new application

I'm a student doing second year,I knew only C and C++.but i'm more interested in developing an application how can i achieve it? help me please.

ahahh

that's art.

@RobertHarvey BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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@Ascendant holy shit!

:D

4:04 PM

@Ampt CLOSE @AMPT

Don't worry the future is riddled with tables with no primary keys and full of CSVs.

not CSVs, JSONs

@JimmyHoffa DOES NOT CO

No actually I was talking about what I have to do tomorrow.

I've got +100 tables with no pks defined.

@Ascendant travel back in time before you meet your future self destroying the universe?

4:06 PM

Much as I would love to watch the universe burn to ashes, these future tables are not my creations.

@JimmyHoffa not sure. I don't answer SO sort of stuff very often.

Also, work is bleh.

Say, if a guy self proclaims to be a dev, has +10y experience and has a manager title but creates +100 tables with actual comma separated columns everywhere and no pks,

is not a dev after all is he ?

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sounds familiar

I'm sorry. lol

lol

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4:08 PM

Managers get lobotomies that remove all code knowledge.

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I'm currently dealing right now with issues related to CSV and commas, in table dumps. lol

I can't laugh too hard. My wife and kid are sleeping.

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s/code //

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TIL @enderland takes dumps on tables.

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s/on/of/ ?

4:10 PM

I think I read on Wikipedia, there is a law called something like Sturgeont's law

it is really hard to keep up with this chat and get work done at the same time

that 90% of anything is cr*p.

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Peter principle

The Peter principle is a concept in management theory formulated by Laurence J. Peter in which the selection of a candidate for a position is based on the candidate's performance in their current role, rather than on abilities relevant to the intended role. Thus, employees only stop being promoted once they can no longer perform effectively, and "managers rise to the level of their incompetence." == Overview == The Peter principle is a special case of a ubiquitous observation: Anything that works will be used in progressively more challenging applications until it fails. This is the "generalized...

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I call it common sense but okay

@Ascendant Sturgeon's law: Don't fuck with a sturgeon.

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4:12 PM

@JimmyHoffa Sturgeon's law: the more the locals tell you there are sturgeons in this body of water, the fewer there actually are.

@Ixrec you need a language like C++ where compiling helloworld takes a minute

this is C++!

@Ixrec C/C++

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fo

@JimmyHoffa okay, Fortran/C/C++/Python/make/magic

4:13 PM

@enderland include Boost and it'll take a minute

This is me slacking while pretending my interpreted language is compiling!

@Ixrec the FoCked stack

@MichaelT I like English. Everything has a name.

I learn every day ! :D

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@Ascendant Not everything. There are, in fact, several things without a name in English. Of course, I can't tell you what they are.

Philosophically true

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4:17 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Even he-who-must-not-be-named has a name.

You know the thing in the place when you do that ?

That's how the local people here speak.

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@Ascendant It's a reflection of the culture: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-_and_low-context_cultures

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@GlenH7 Arguably, though, he-who-cannot-be-named does not.

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That's just because you're too weak to say his name. I live without fear. I have no problem saying the name

@GlenH7 stop talking about me you two

4:21 PM

Wooo

interesting.

You see ?

There is a name and a Wiki page

@Ascendant I see a defrocked unicorn for your profile picture. Poor guy.

@JimmyHoffa Saying his name 3 times summons Haskthulu

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@JimmyHoffa You're supposed to be dead anyway. What do you care if someone says your name?

Yeah... some people thought it has magical properties and restores male potency.

@Ascendant why thankyou.

4:24 PM

This is a good start: thepaulrayner.com/blog/2013/05/07/…. I especially like this passage: "the important thing should be not that the domain is documented, it is that it is understood, and that this understanding is shared among everyone connected with developing the software." — Robert Harvey 7 mins ago

oh so humble

1 min ago, 48 seconds total – 3 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked just now by Jimmy Hoffa

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lame

Regarding the lists of high context cultures and low context cultures,

I see a pattern here.

@Ascendant what's the pattern? My son learned to identify "checkered" patterns the other day, is it one of those?

@Ascendant west vs east?

4:31 PM

I'll leave it to your ability to infer.

broadly generalizing, western cultures are very low context and eastern are high context

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I have a travel answer on that...

I happen to be interested in corruption indexes of the countries on this planet.

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A: How do you know if Americans genuinely/literally mean what they say?

There are several factors that come into play here. Some cultures have a significant amount of politeness as a social lubricant. Even when it doesn't mean you should, it is still said. A classic example of this is Japan's politeness (though this is simplifying a very large concept). There is ...

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@Ascendant The correlation factor isn't as high, but yes, there's likely a correlation to that too

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4:33 PM

Also keep in mind that it's a spectrum or a range, and not an absolute or binary value

@GlenH7 Yes, I understand.

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USA city lower context than rural, both lower than Japan.

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I noticed that Southern US is listed as high context. I kinda laughed at that.

Oh actually.

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South is higher context than north.

4:35 PM

I"m from Korea (South)

not the Kim Jun Eun Korea

There is a province where even Koreans don't understand because of their ways of speech.

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@Ascendant notcot.com/archives/2007/11/-jean-posted-ab.php

It roughly goes

"Did you thinged(verb) the thing ?"

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marin.edu/buscom/index_files/Page605.htm

@Ascendant Haben sie dass gemacht?

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@Ascendant Sounds like the French and their verb "faire"

4:39 PM

Yeah "faire" could compare to that.

But actually

In Korean you don't need a subject.

@Ascendant it's called Texas, and inorite??

Also there is no definitive/indefinite articles.

@Ascendant indefinitive

Thank you for your kind correction.

Nov 6 at 20:35, by enderland

2 days ago, by Jimmy Hoffa

yesterday, by MichaelT

Jul 28 '14 at 18:52, by Jimmy Hoffa

<--- Helping.

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4:44 PM

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how many indents in one method is too many?

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42

@JimmyHoffa QUIT BRANCHING!!!!1!!1!!

use the last one

@GlenH7 one method I've found has 14 tabs. That feels like too many, but I might be wrong

@Ampt once you can't even see the code without scrolling horizontally

@ratchetfreak what if I have a widescreen monitor?

4:47 PM

it has too many when you can refactor it out

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@Ampt That seems a bit deep, yes

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4 or 5 would seem like a reasonable rule of thumb

@Ampt it grew too big.. clobbering the whole screen is not helping.

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C# can be weird because you automatically pick up 2 from the namespace and class definitions

@GlenH7 It's java, so we get one for the class and one for the method

oh and one mroe for the try catch

4:49 PM

@Ampt don't worry about the tabs, look at the contexts; how many are there? each layer of depth nests another context; you shouldn't typically have more than 2-3 deep in a single method. Exceptions for rare particular cases..

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so, I'd say 3 - 4 past the obligatories is getting a bit deep

the depth of contexts effects the cyclomatic complexity - the amount of shit a reader needs to keep in their head contextually for each different spot. Increasing it makes future readers make mistakes in analyzing and understanding it.

what's "both ways" ? They should be a dialog, are they not?

:25978401 heh different cultures... that would be grounds for a rather stern talking to and black mark on your papers in some places I've worked

" You dare to question me !? " -> It's about having the right people push issues/policies you want.

be honest though if it's good code then say it is good

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@Ampt - tread very carefully. Played wrong, that's a huge minefield you would be walking into.

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5pm. already been dark for hours. FML

5:00 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit the nightly Santa fly-by's getting annoying up there yet?

Yeah, and I'm not actively bumping into it, so I don't even have a good reason to look at it other than to see how it's done.

@Ampt aye; then no matter. Even good coders write garbage sometimes in places if they know no one will ever need to deal with it. Motivations can vary.

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@JimmyHoffa wot

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@Ampt Then you have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Good recipe for things to stay away from

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit too much blood in the alcohol stream again

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5:04 PM

@GlenH7 mm

@Ampt Seriously.

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It's a recurring issue with him. And when he starts ranting about monads then you know things are really bad.

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first thing I ever saw him do

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Super :)

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But he's pretty consistent about using the proper term "C/C++" so we try to cut him some slack.

@GlenH7 Can I interest you in a monoidal co-strong field today?

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5:05 PM

@JimmyHoffa more interested in sound proofing for the cube

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office day tomorrow. first in two weeks. dying for it frankly. lonely here

Jul 27 at 13:30, by Jimmy Hoffa

Jul 14 at 15:02, by Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt Have you accepted Haskell into your home, and into your heart?

how is it monday... more like... monoiday amirite amirite? :)

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Q: System without /tmp dir?

Running df -h gives: Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on udev 1.9G 0 1.9G 0% /dev tmpfs 385M 6.2M 379M 2% /run /dev/sda2 113G 27G 81G 25% / tmpfs 1.9G 69M 1.9G 4% /dev/shm tmpfs 5.0M 4.0K 5.0M 1% /run/lock tmpfs...

filesystem files 15.10 tmp

^ sort of thing $colleague would ask

@JimmyHoffa Alright, it's time for someone to take Jimmy out back and put him out of our misery.

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lol

5:13 PM

@Ampt SCOTCH

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in The 2nd Monitor, 6 mins ago, by enderland

@GlenH7 yes

5:25 PM

Why is there an emoji for "man in business suit levitating"? For reals?

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@ThomasOwens Because we live in a patriarchy and the gender gap is only getting worse?

@ThomasOwens cuz my business acumen is otherworldly

Also reminders are going into Google Calendar.

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Seriously, where's "woman in business suit levitating"? Wankers.

> This character was originally introduced into the Windings font as an “exclamation mark in the style of the rude boy logo found on records by The Specials" according to Jen Sorenson – source

5:31 PM

TIL.

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@ThomasOwens the real question is what does it map to on Wikipedia?

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit not there 'coz she's flying not just levitating

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Answer: webdings

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@GlenH7 Why do you think women can fly but men can't? Sexist.

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Webdings is a TrueType dingbat typeface developed in 1997. It was initially distributed with Internet Explorer 4.0, then as part of Core fonts for the Web, and is included in all versions of Microsoft Windows since Windows 98. All of the Webding glyphs that are not unifiable with existing Unicode characters were added to the Unicode Standard when version 7.0 was released in June 2014. == Symbol Types == There are some "categories" of symbols in Webdings; groups of similar symbols. Symbol trends like this in the font include weather icons, land with different structures built on top, vehicles and...

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5:34 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit Apparently.

5:51 PM

While an interesting problem, your request for recommendations for software etc means this Q is not about programming as defined for StackOverflow. It may be more appropriate on the related site programmers.stackexchange.com . Consider using the flag link at the bottom of your Q and ask the moderator to move it. Good luck. — shellter 55 secs ago

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6:40 PM

@Ampt I'm not an annoying perfectionist, I'm a hilarious perfectionist

@durron597 like a walking charlie chaplin skit?

@JimmyHoffa ding

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hey it's the newbie

Update on last night's saga: I asked coworker who did the trainwreck checkin to update me, just simply "hey what happened with this?"

he came over and was like "yeah dude, i remember that, i didn't test it or anything"

then your manager came over and fired him on the spot?

and gave you a promotion to CEO?

6:43 PM

@Ampt somebody's been living in consultant land too long...

@Ampt CTO. My new job is to make sure Jeff Bezos's computer has 100% uptime

@durron597 oh god that sounds awful

(if they are monitoring my internet activity, i'm sure THAT will get flagged)

@durron597 solution: turn off all electrical sockets near his computer to ensure it's never up; so it's uptime can never be overturned.

lol seconds after I typed that, a big warning message appeared on my screen

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6:45 PM

@durron597 o.O

however, it was just telling me that the printer driver i installed half an hour ago needed to be updated

there was definitely a wtf ru serious moment, though.

how'd your standup go?

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I hate people who can't read subtext. Like he actually thought you were just casually asking for the story, to amuse yourself or something. Rather than the truth which was you wanted him to explain and defend his stupid antics...

@enderland fine. I didn't even talk about the code problems

Dear Adobe,
Sassa frackin. Sassafras harumph ma friggity friggity grump. Gramble rabble frackity sassagrumble rumble mabumble, grarumph.

6:46 PM

I conveniently have a permissions issue and I was able to say "every single thing I am trying to test cannot be tested because I don't have access to a particular test credential"

lolz

@durron597 straw men tell no tales.

We have very tight security around customer data, the prod build requires a key i will probably never get access to, but when you make a beta build it automatically wants a different key that lots of people have access to, but i still need to get someone to grant me

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I SAW ONE!!

@LightnessRacesinOrbit hahaha

@LightnessRacesinOrbit you're a bit wiley, also you come from TL so, owner may not be something you get for a long time... Plus, C/C++ devs are just dangerous overall. :)

6:52 PM

Jimmy, I think advertising that Amazon takes customer data privacy extremely seriously is actually something that I and PR want people to know

Security is the converse of efficiency; it's very difficult to have both

@durron597 but that you have any knowledge about it whatsoever publicizes yourself as a vector for intrusion. :o

Remember, the weakest link in every security model is the people.

When it comes to customer data, Amazon definitely chooses Security. As such, getting tasks done is a huge pain sometimes :-P But I wouldn't have it any other way

@durron597 me either, needs me paper towels to show up on time, and unfraudulently! :)

@JimmyHoffa That's certainly true. I've been through a training course to that effect already

I'm explicitly forbidden to take conference calls in public places, especially airports

I don't have a company phone, but if I did I would also be forbidden from charging it in airport USB jacks

The "or equivalent" in job postings is sometimes confusing. Does it mean "or an equivalent field of study" or "an equivalent amount of experience"?

6:59 PM

@durron597 one job I had they had explicit rules about during travel how you must lock your laptop into a laptop-safe thing they had installed in some cars because folks will follow business people with rental cars to steal the car for the machins etc

All kinds of ways this stuff can happen. Never ever leave any business materials in a hotel room for instance.

@ThomasOwens I typically presume experience

@JimmyHoffa Every hotel room in Las Vegas has a safe

@JimmyHoffa I would, too.

i think my laptop would be more secure in my hotel safe than I would bringing it with me

"BS in Engineering/Computer Science or equivalent" is different than "BS or equivalent in Engineering/Computer Science" though.

@ThomasOwens I don't think the people writing the job posting are that careful

More likely they just don't want people who went to a university with different verbiage to not apply

7:03 PM

@durron597 Probably not. But I've known companies that do require a degree. And in some cases, even a technical degree. No amount of experience can get you the job.

@ThomasOwens I don't think work experience equates to a degree

@durron597 There's really three cases. (1) You have a degree of the appropriate level in a technical field. (2) You have a degree of the appropriate level, but in a non-technical / unrelated field, but also have experience in the field. (3) You don't have a degree of the appropriate level, but you have experience in the field.

there's a ton of stuff on, say, complexity theory that you probably won't really learn on the job

@durron597 Which is why it depends on the job.

Sometimes, you want someone with the academic foundations. Other times, you don't need it.

@ThomasOwens agreed

7:06 PM

If you need the theoretical foundations, then my case 2 and 3 are probably the same.

But if you don't need theoretical foundations in the field, then you have three cases to consider.

I'm getting more concerned this is going to cause me problems, even though I have a technical degree though

I'm currently taking a business ethics course even though my role has zero involvement with business partners, government relationships, etc.

good policy or waste of time? I'm on the fence. it's a mandatory class but it really doesn't impact my current role

it's a CYA thing

^^

7:21 PM

@durron597 it's a waste of time IMO - but having been through a fair bit of this training at a previous employer, I personally find it interesting, and think it can be useful in understanding some different mechanics at play in situations which you might not realize without knowing about it.

(depending on WTH you're talking about)

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, some of the questions are tough

There was one about an accountant getting taken out to lunch once in awhile by an accounting business partner and they said that was okay

the question said "over sandwiches"

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@enderland once you get in, the years, responsibility and accomplishments become more important in most places.

@durron597 when I worked on international medical device software we had lots of training on these things, since departments did do things like pay for doctors as consultants so it had to walk the line of getting their help vs. kick backs, marketing for us vs. working for use and disclosing the distinctions et al, plus international governmental entity interactions

@JimmyHoffa My brother works in a hospital and he very rarely has to pay for lunch because his team is constantly getting catered lunches from insurance companies

Where verbiage in laws is things like "reasonable" remittance etc and a steak dinner doesn't count but a pizza does - though steak is allowed if a business meeting is had. Not allowed if there are potential customers involved, etc etc

@durron597 yeah, they train on the law very detailed ...so that companies know how to get away with it and can claim non-liability ("We trained them not to do that, it's not the businesses fault, we did our due diligence")

7:27 PM

Almost every section in this course says "if you're not sure, contact legal"

realistically though, 1 "oops" from an employee (regardless of rank or position) can really destroy a companies PR nowadays

@enderland untrue

@JimmyHoffa ?

if the company is large enough and has enough legal support - they can actively and reoccurringly violate many many laws without any harm - they can even lose in court and still pay less than they made from their illegal practices (worked at a company that had to pay out to multiple states for how it was screwing citizens, was a net profit for them regardless)

what is the point of this course being full of random people in office-like situations

just background images

7:31 PM

oh. I agree with that, but I mean more a company PR (not the legal side of it)

nah

feels like such a waste of money to license these images or, worse, contract to make them themselves

look at pr for comcast - they don't give no fucks.

You can buy good PR

With enough money.

Or a well-timed event or action. Undo or crowd out some negative press.

@ThomasOwens Comcast doesn't have enough money to buy good PR.

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7:32 PM

@JimmyHoffa Different game there. They only have to be better appearing than their nearest competitor

@JimmyHoffa it helps that they have no competition

The way that Comcast could "buy" good PR is investing in their infrastructure to suck less

@durron597 Comcast is a near monopoly in some areas.

@enderland all you said was it can ruin a company - there are outs.

That's changing. But it's slow.

7:32 PM

I always thought that Mediacom should have branded themselves as "mediacom: at least we're not Qwest"

@ThomasOwens Sure, but everyone in those areas hates them. Heck, my part of Texas was a monopoly area

@durron597 What are you going to do, though? Not have cable/Internet or go with Comcast?

there were two other choices, 1. AT&T U-verse (which was actually worse, according to all accounts), and 2. Satellite

We went with Comcast, but that has nothing to do with PR

@ThomasOwens my state is considering making internet something like a public utility, which might help? they want it to be better for rural areas

I mean, all ISPs are horrible, maybe the government involvement might help!

@enderland ew

@enderland Not all ISPs are horrible.

7:34 PM

@durron597 I've yet to experience a good one....

All the small ones don't suck.

In seattle I'm using Wave, which is great

in NYC, we had RCN, which was also great

@durron597 meh... the small one our apartment has is horrible

it's even worse than mediacom, since they take mediacom and add another layer of fail into it

yep :)

Some managers are trained this stuff very clearly so that they understand: do harrass your employees for other reasons to squeeze the productivity out of them! Which is the most wrongheaded nonsense in the world, but...managers...

:25982389 of course - that's just fostering a competitive atmosphere!

It's commonly believed among PMs that the point of the stand-up in scrum is to shame people into working harder

7:46 PM

@JimmyHoffa I think most people don't actually understand the point of scrum

@durron597 of course not, but the point is among many non-technical people the idea of emotional manipulation via harrassment is seen as a job responsibility :/

the problem with providing visibility into what people are doing is that... you provide visibility into what people are doing

It's not the visibility that's the problem. It's what you do with it.

basically: Don't call your employees fat; Do call your employees lazy. Don't call your employees feminine; Do call your employees stupid.

I have to admit I'm not 100% clear on what the scrum is officially supposed to be about either

7:48 PM

@Ixrec You mean the daily standup?

@Ixrec $$$

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@Ixrec It's magical!

my team has gone with the theory that it's about keeping up to date on what everyone else is doing, and lately we've started using a chatroom instead of actual stand-ups for this

the reason I started a standup like meeting with my team is that they weren't communicating when they were blocked on projects, so the once a week meeting would reveal they didn't do anything on the project for 3-5 days since they got blocked

which seems to work far better, especially since there's never a time of day where everyone on the team is available

7:49 PM

@JimmyHoffa I don't understand why it's preferred to tell a female coworker that they're stupid than it is to say that they're sexy

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If I'm hard coding magic numbers into a program, I should at least leave a comment explaining them, right?

even our business manager over in the US can (and yes he does) post something in the scrum chatroom like the rest of us do, it just happens much later

> //magic number

@GlenH7 I'd explain where they came from.

But yes.

I mean, I understand why telling her that she's sexy is a problem, but is a protected compliment really worse than an insult?

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7:49 PM

No, eff that. I'll create a const and comment that.

@durron597 seriously. I mean I showed up to work looking sexy as hell and not a single person has let me know it yet. WTF

both are bad, definitely

@Ampt You've set the bar too high, they're used to it by now

@Ixrec one of the ideas is a lot of folk don't know when / how to raise issues so they formalized the process to ensure nobody goes for 3 months before saying "o hey, that thing never could get the works srry :( bybyee!"

ugh, I knew it. Alright, back to wearing sweat pants for a month.

@JimmyHoffa I get the impression our office is a much more casual environment than some places; being afraid to raise an issue is nigh on unheard of here

wondering whether to raise it now or wait for the weekly team meeting or 1-on-1 is as close as I get

7:52 PM

Question from this course:

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@Ampt at first I read that as "sweater pants" for some reason

@Ixrec it can be a personal thing - not a company culture thing always. Some people just aren't comfortable with it. But the majority of cases it's not a necessity and therefore pointless.

@GlenH7 Did we just invent a new form of clothing?

Monika, Sr.Product Manager: "In my email this morning, found that someone in another department had forwarded me a joke involving a priest, a rabbi, and a minister. I'm not really a religious person, and I thought the joke was hilarious."

"I decided to forward it to everyone in my department, because I thought they could all use a laugh."

What would have been a better course of action for Monika to take?

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@Ampt I dunno. But I think I really just hope that idea goes nowhere and dies a quick death

7:53 PM

@JimmyHoffa that's true, though encouraging such people to raise issues when it's important would be part of the manager's job, right?

A. Delete the email immediately instead of forwarding it to other employees.

B. Send a reply that it's inappropriate to joke around while at work.

C. Discuss the email with her manager, human resources, or another proper authority.

@Ixrec which is why they've simplified the whole thing just by making everyone doing it and then their job is so much easier!

D. Laugh and then get back to work.

The real-world answer is A. They want C, though.

user41796

No "D. Forward the email to her entire department because it really was hilarious"

7:54 PM

@ThomasOwens yeah, pretty much

^^^ One of those question where there's the real answer and the answer that I know they're looking for

@ThomasOwens I picked A in an act of rebellion

@Ixrec Your D is basically A

user41796

I would have picked A as well

I suspect forwarding anything to an entire department is a risky move no matter what the content, that's a heck of a lot of people

you're just asking for someone to Reply All "don't send me this stuff please"

Lightness Races in Orbit

@JimmyHoffa I don't want to be owner

To me, C would be acceptable if it was some kind of hate speech or something.

Lightness Races in Orbit

7:57 PM

@JimmyHoffa Though I did appreciate the irony of you calling me wiley [sic] :P

But 9 times out of 10, be an adult and move on.

E. Don't ever communicate with your coworkers for fear of offending their beliefs.

@ThomasOwens for a second I forgot what we were talking about and wondered how you got such a terrible impression of the C programming language

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@durron597 G. Ignore it. Using company resources to share joke chain emails is childish and inappropriate. Share it on Facebook with your "squad" instead.

F. Hide in a bathroom stall silently weeping until it's time to go home. Tell no one.

7:58 PM

@JimmyHoffa ... that's not how you spend the last 2 hours of your day, every day?

@Ampt I've been in the industry long enough; I've earned a solid 4.

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