The Periodic Table

Hello, @Steven! :D

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ahhh good morning/latelateevening

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you just got back from tending to your late night organic reaction and thought you'd get on here to see if any night owls were on

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idk that's my guess as to your life at the moment

9:37 AM

that is a midday actually :D

and I'm book from late night programming =-.-=

back

how on earth it was corrected to book?! :O

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ahhh

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what sorta fun stuff are you programming

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you're doing molecular fluid dynamics in FORTRAN with Monte Carlo methods right?

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:O

nope, just practicing Fortran for fun :D

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9:53 AM

oh but you are doing fortran, see I'm like a prophet

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also most of that wasn't even real words

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I was just making up smart-sounding junk, but how do you like fortran anyways, I am considering learning it

well, you know, :D

it's a crap, to be honest

but who cares?

I mean C & C++ are also crappy languages

but there are some areas of knowledge where they are required

so

people use them

same with Fortran

When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

That is what they are usually saying.

The really fun part of it is that I hate C-like languages largely for their syntax,

and many say syntax is not a big deal.

BUT!

Speaking of Romans,

they did not develop multiplication and division for their arithmetics because they've used an awkward syntax for numbers. :D

See, syntax matters. Because it defines the way you think.

and C syntax is a nightmare :D

Fortran is better btw in that repsect.

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10:09 AM

Ahhh, yeah see that's nice to hear

time for lunch :)

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As far as I know, I've only really learned Java and

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well have fun haha

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Anywho I hae heard a lot of people use FORTRAN and complain about it, but it hasn't just stuck around like this for no reason

the reason is the huge pile of well-tested and heavily-optimized numerical routines

developed in many decades

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10:49 AM

yup

11:03 AM

puy

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upy

ypu

:O

O:

@Jan Wikipedia answered my question. :'(

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11:31 AM

who's up for trying to figure out some organic mechanisms

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or brainstorming some random ochem stuff

I.

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I'm trying to devise some experiment that parallels the double slit experiment.

Not that much though.

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where there are two reaction pathways but if you try to stearically hinder one of the reaction pathways then you get a different result

11:32 AM

@pH13 We need your entertaining abilities.

Why?

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like to decides "which" pathway it is, it ends up breaking the superposition

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Why the hell not?

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what about that doesn't sound like fun

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haha

Dunno, I'm distracted.

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11:33 AM

oh by what

Still fighting with aromaticity.

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Oh perfect I can help

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like why certain groups are ortho/para directors or how to create trinitrotoluene or wht do you wanna do :P

Well still trying to figure out fullerene's case.

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?

11:35 AM

Oh this seems useful: chimdocet.it/solido/PDF_Link/SFER_AROMATICITA.pdf

=^.^=

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What's it's 'case'

Trying to understand the fight and whether it's really aromatic or not.

Wikipedia was useful, but not elaborate.

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Cool this sounds like fun, I haven't really gotten too deep into bucky balls and nanotubes and all this

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What are your opinions on it

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11:39 AM

like arguments that you hold for and against its aromaticity

They're beautiful. The end.

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haha ok

Give me time to read.

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you might like Art in Organic Synthesis

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or some of the "Platonic Hydrocarbons" lol

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11:40 AM

Platonic hydrocarbon

A Platonic hydrocarbon is a hydrocarbon (molecule) whose structure matches one of the five Platonic solids, with carbon atoms replacing its vertices, carbon–carbon bonds replacing its edges, and hydrogen atoms as needed. Not all Platonic solids have molecular hydrocarbon counterparts. == TetrahedraneEdit == Tetrahedrane (C4H4) is a hypothetical compound. It has not yet been synthesized without substituents, but it is predicted to be kinetically stable in spite of its acute bond angle and angle strain. Some stable derivatives, including tetra-tert-butyltetrahedrane (a hydrocarbon) and tetr...

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amazon.com/Art-Organic-Synthesis-Nitya-Anand/dp/0471887382

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This book is TOTALLY worth 10 bucks, it's worth at least 100 bucks in my opinion it's phenomenally inspiring

@Steve chat usually one-boxes Wikipedia links, twitter tweets, links to questions and answers in SE, Wikipedia links and Amazon links. While I'm fine with all of them, the amazon links usually one-box with the book's review, and they usually look horrible, like the one above.

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So what are you saying

So please don't let chat one-box Amazon links.

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11:49 AM

Who cares

Me,

and some other people.

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I was just trying to be nice and share some fun things in a chat room

Q: Will the ions in salt bridge be used up?

BTW I'm putting a why beside everything and asking questions from myself.

@StevenGrigsby Didn't say not share, I just said that don't let it one-box.

Example:

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Ions in salt bridge move to the electrolytes of two half cells to balance the charges. But will the ions in salt bridge be used up? If it will, is the electron flow then stop?

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No, I literally don't care

One-boxes while it won't if I post other stuff in my message: chemistry.stackexchange.com/questions/37623/…

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11:51 AM

I could see your response making sense if I was spamming more than two things but

Hullo @k--!

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your attitude is just pedantic

hi!

Your attitude is too easy going.

I just said don't annoy some people.

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I'm too laid back in my behavior in a chat room?

11:52 AM

I didn't say I'm gonna kick you if you do.

You are.

Relax guys.

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The only people here are you and me, you don't have to be so rude to me

Hoo this Sherlock movie rocks

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I don't get it lol

Me neither. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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11:53 AM

I swear this site is such a waste of time, people love talking more about the rules of the site than the subject of the site: chemistry

So anyway, back to chem talk:

Why is C60 the most common fullerene?

chemistry is for nerds

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lol

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true that, I aint no dork shiiiiiit

@StevenGrigsby They do in chat.

11:54 AM

-__-

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lol

On the main site, it's guiding newbies, nothing else.

Oh well, I think we'll never understand each other, because I like "wasting my time".

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Yeah not me, I like being literal and spending my time productively

BACK TO CHEMISTRY TALK: Why is C60 the most common fullerene?

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is it the most common fullerene?

11:55 AM

Yes.

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I wasn't really aware

I don't know :(

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what's the source of this alleged fact

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how could you measure such a thing

Hmm . . .

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11:56 AM

"We checked all the carbons and uhhh mostly they were C60 so yeah"

@StevenGrigsby How do they measure isotopes abundance?

wikipedia says this is true

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Oh so wait are you saying C60 is the most commonly found in nature?

Well I'm going to ask a question on the main site, after some looong time.

wiki can be wrong

11:57 AM

@StevenGrigsby Yes.

@skillpatrol It isn't in this case.

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I mean I still wish you gave me a source

And BTW don't abbreviate Wikipedia as wiki!

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and even if it is the most common I am not sure I am fascinated by this

@StevenGrigsby That PDF.

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by what margin is it the most common

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11:58 AM

it makes sense since it's relatively smaller than others

(That PDF is from chemical review 2001)

@StevenGrigsby We have C28.

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so entropy-wise I guess it makes sense. I mean I guess I could figure out some more or less hand-wavy way of buying it but

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yeah but you can always reason out C28 for being too strained

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C60 is that happy medium

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The Goldilocksfullerene if you will

11:59 AM

Prolly, but I'd like some calculations on this. Hey @Mart!

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Yeah sure but

but sure yeah

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I don't feel compelled to try to calculate something I anticipate to be true

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I wanna calculate something weirder

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also it seems like it would be kinda difficult to calculate

12:00 PM

@StevenGrigsby Then you don't know this @Martin guy.

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yeah, he's your god I know

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you wanna become a super cool kid mod like him

aww

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gives him a noogie

Pot calling the kettle black.

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12:01 PM

he's a pretty cool idol to have compared to most kids your age but

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I don't know what you mean by that lol

I don't worship him.

@StevenGrigsby Nevermind, I'm not in the mood for a fight, though I have to in one hour.

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I worship Robert Woodward Burns <3

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fight?

who u fighting in one hour?

i wanna watch

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12:03 PM

JOHN CENA!

omg!!!!

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gl d00d

You people.

you can take him

I'm gonna attend kung fu class in one hour.

BEWARE!

12:03 PM

:^O

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

step back everyone

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I don't know what your body type is so

Roundhouse kicks @Steve in the face

Bring it on

12:04 PM

Brings it on

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I will wish you luck that's inversely proportional to your body weight

6 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

And BTW don't abbreviate Wikipedia as wiki!

Wtf

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yeah 5 real

FTW

he prefers calling it "the pedia"

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12:05 PM

make sure you get the stick out next time you go potty

Wikipedia:Don't abbreviate "Wikipedia" as "Wiki"!

See also meta:Wikipedia is not Wiki. "Wiki" is not a proper name. Please understand that "wiki" is a generic term that describes a type of website or software. There are in fact many wikis in existence. Therefore, referring to any one of them using the capitalized "Wiki" is incorrect at best, and to a somewhat experienced Internet user, can be altogether painful to hear. Although your intentions may be obvious, such a blatant misuse of language is nevertheless painful. To illustrate, imagine seeing someone say this: Feel that pain? This is what experienced Internet users feel when people use ...

Lol

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what's this pedantry

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gonna go wiki this brb

lol

12:06 PM

@StevenGrigsby This means you haven't seen many pedants in your life.

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I was using 'wiki' as a verb much as one uses 'google' as a verb

You won't survive a minute in ELU haha!

CONTEXT IS KING

@StevenGrigsby Even 'google' is wrong. It should be 'Google'.

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No I once had someone change my question on MSE from "things" to "notions"

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12:07 PM

that's pretty pedantic

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oh you're right

@StevenGrigsby MSE? Meta.SE or math.SE?

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i'll Google it

As far an English goes, coining stuff in it is pretty common.

We are in a chatroom

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12:08 PM

i think im gonna stop capitalizing as much as possible, mainly so i dont waste my shift button's life

Trying to criticize pedantry by being pedant about coining words is . . . ironic.

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hahahaha

@StevenGrigsby Sooooo economical.

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dude are you like

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ok

12:10 PM

@skillpatrol You are in a chatroom? O.o

Are you an internet entity?

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I mean seriously though are you alright man?

No.

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like do you want to talk about something

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what's going on in your life

we are here for you <3

12:10 PM

I wanna talk about TeX.

Let it out

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

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it's ok, you don't need to hide, this is a safe place

OK I let it out.

woah calm down

12:11 PM

:D

Calms up

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this is a chat room breathe

ha ha ha

^

You don't wanna say that in a SE chatroom.

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12:12 PM

this is nothing more than a bunch of people staring at a bright rectangle pressing a bunch of squares with squiggles printed on them

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you can do this

that hit too close to home :(

So?

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lol xD

Next topic of study: Symmetry

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12:13 PM

just pretend there's not a wave function overlapping between the positive balls you're made of, and just let yourself drift apart

@StevenGrigsby Chem-yoga, eh?

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life is constant cycle of heart beating and breath breathing, sun up, sun down, wax on, wax off breathes

very advanced form of yoga

i like symmetry

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YOLO-YOGA

hehe

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12:15 PM

symmetry is cool

If you look at it closely, nothing is more symmetrical than nothing.

O.o

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Has anyone hear heard of god, her name is Amy Noether

Yes

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:D

who dat

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12:16 PM

Noether's theorem

Noether's (first) theorem states that every differentiable symmetry of the action of a physical system has a corresponding conservation law. The theorem was proven by German mathematician Emmy Noether in 1915 and published in 1918. The action of a physical system is the integral over time of a Lagrangian function (which may or may not be an integral over space of a Lagrangian density function), from which the system's behavior can be determined by the principle of least action. Noether's theorem has become a fundamental tool of modern theoretical physics and the calculus of variations. A ge...

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I just wikid it

Google has definitely heard of her.

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wikyd

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hmmm not sure what the past tense of wiki is

shes hot

12:16 PM

wikiaeiouy'd

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but yeah, basically if you're studying symmetries of the universe she's your babe

Sep 12 at 14:28, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M

@Martin-マーチン This is not a dating service.

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dating != worshiping

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I don't date god

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pls

12:18 PM

worshiping != liking

rofl i really wanna know what the context of that original message was

I don't worship Mart. Please!

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woah what's with the spontaneous refutation

@k-- The timestamp is a link.

i wish i knew more about maths :(

o

12:18 PM

p

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what do you wanna learn?

Science.

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no I mean the other person and about math

Math.

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Word.

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12:19 PM

Dog.

everything, teach me

maths

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Ok where are you right now, highest level of math(s)

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that you've taken

Mathz

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linear algebra and calculus?

12:20 PM

Aromatic algebra and hyperconjugated calculus.

umm one semester of algebra and calc but i did badly

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Awesome ok so you want to learn calculus

yes pls

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calculus is really in some sense how you'll master algebra

should i start with calc or try to do both at the same time?

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12:21 PM

Depends on how strong you are, I suggest diving in and

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just sorta fill in the rest as you go along

Come to the math chatroom

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If you need to do some kind of thing, don't do it half-assed though

good advice

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allow yourself to diverge and work on that a little, then come back to calculus again and continue that path

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12:23 PM

Khan Academy is a great (or used to be a great place, idk if it still is) place to go and learn a fairly large amount of math in a good order

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it's all piece by piece in this cute flow diagram so you're good but if you want to learn specifically to do things like physical chemistry and quantum mechanics sorta stuff I can definitely help point some stuff out along your path to learning s

yeah i might do that, idk what level khan goes up to though. i was thinking i should revise the stuff i learnt in high school, because even though i did well in high school i just rote learn things without really understanding why i was doing it

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Well at least you realize it

yeah my main focus is learning quantum mechanics because it confuses me so much

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I think a good foundation starts in understanding exponent rules haha

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12:25 PM

if you don't know how to create the exponent rules on your own, you likely can't create anything

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I think the test of knowing a math concept is if you can derive it on paper or in your mind in a fairly short amount of time without looking anything up

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after you have forgotten it

i'll keep that in mind, i'm not sure what i know about exponent rules tbh. hopefully i'll find time to finally work on my maths sometime soon

K I'm leaving for kung fu class, don't make much of a mess while I'm gone.

we won't O:)

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12:27 PM

I'll try to get over myself while you're gone

Try hard.

Have fun pal

have fun getting your butt kicked

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No, kick some ass dude!

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release the beast that torments you within

12:28 PM

I'll do both, just for chemistry. FOR SCIENCE! FOR HONOR! FOR LOVE!

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FOR N PLUS TWO

Anyway continue admitting calculus is hard.

BBL

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calculus is fun

math is cool!!!!!

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and not hard, in fact I think we should all be introduced the concepts of math in an invariant manner

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12:29 PM

I think there are too many people who really don't understand what an integral or derivative are doing for us in physical cases

me

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For example, @k-- there's this concept in calculus called the gradient, in one dimension it's the derivative

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this is a very intuitive concept, so imagine yourself in a room with temperature

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(hard to do, I realize)

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now at every point in the room we have made marks on the wall and floor a grid so we can label every point as (x,y,z)

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12:32 PM

so like (0,0,0) means you're looking at the corner and maybe (5,5,0) means in the middle of the floor. Might be easier to show with a picture but this isn't really crucial

yup i follow

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in fact none of this really matters, all that matters is that at any point in the room you can read the temperature with a thermometer

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So now imagine yourself standing at one place but not moving, just standing there

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you can take the temperature where you are and any point within arm's reach of where you are

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now if I asked you to point your finger in the direction to walk so that you'd increase in temperature, could you do that?

12:34 PM

no!!

maybe

is there a heater

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well, since you can look at the temperature where you're standing and the slight temperature increase at all the points at arms length

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you could have at least a good idea

o ok

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like saying your thermometer is sensitive enough to tell if it's slightly warmer at arms lengththan when you measure the temperature near you... supposing your body doesn't affect the temperature of the room in any way cause you're a ghost... hehe

this is getting spooky

im gonna have math nightmares :(

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12:35 PM

yeah so congratulations

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you have just pointed in the direction that the gradient of a scalar field would point in

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which is a vector field wheee

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which is a more complicated version of a derivative

cause vectors have direction!! right

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which is what you did in calculus

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12:36 PM

yup

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Yeah so now I'll give the more mathy version of it in quick

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every point there's a function like f(x,y,z) and the gradient takes the derivative of these components and then points to where the greatest increase in f is

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now there are some technicalities and subtlties I've thrown out but

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they would be lost on you at this point, and I can assure you they're not important