More than one persons have shown intended methods of cooling it, and the review shows the controller can hit 80*C , which i assume is in a desktop. pushed really hard in a laptop it might be getting hotter than that. But (cool thing) they claim it will throttle when the temp gets to high.

people trying it on both systems 7or8 and 10 are regularly showing it going faster by far in 10. so the system (drivers) itself (probably related to the new NVMe method) changes it like night and day. as seen both at MS tech stuff , and at the OC site.

The benchmarks are crasy different on the same machines :-) one benchmark making it look glorious, another making it look quite normal. Coud not tell from any single bench how it is working, when people are claiming possible issues with the benches themselves, and undoubtedly different methods used to do them.

@Psycogeek I was under the impression it was dual mode, but it was configured by the supplier of the machine (the SM951 was a free upgrade as stock for the consumer Samsung M2 had run out) as AHCI

ahh

@Asmyldof: is this a boot drive? Got backups?

It had been running Windows 7 in the exact same system flawlessly, and then I tentatively tried Win 10, without thinking about SSDs possibly needing firmware updates

It is a boot drive, latest backup is before Win10 (backed up once every 3 weeks)

you could roll it back to windows 7, see what happens, and if its still shitty, yell at em.

Well, it's borked

Bios doesn't enumerate any usable disks from its internal PCIe host

And seems like scanning takes ages as well

My main frustration isn't that I have to buy a replacement, it's entirely in the response I got

@Asmyldof On the off-chance it's another issue, have you tried the drive elsewhere? (external adapter, etc)

"Eh, we don't know, ask the people you should not have any business with"

Support often isn't :/

@bertieb I have swapped it with my cheaper slower ADATA SSD

Same problem, but in another port

@Asmyldof Fair dos

Have only 1 machine, unfortunately

I did just e-mail the "Firmware Supplier" if they can help me

'same problem ._.'

@Asmyldof That's what friends are for :D

They are close by, so maybe they can recover my work

that's wierd

@bertieb Friends aren't Freelancers with a Clevo top-of-line budget

:-D

lol

i.e. only normal SATA M2 ports in my circle of friends

lol

Most all of my drives are sata

(Got an 850, which runs great on windows 10, even if magician dosen't support it)

I don't care about the tools it does or does not support

I find it weird though, that Samsung says it's Win 10, but hey, I make Embedded Hardware myself, so I know what MS OS's can do to your hardware

Which makes it hard to draw a hard line of "Bullshit, this can't just be Win 10"

But...

@Asmyldof If your firmware can be permanently destroyed by anything short of a failed update, then your firmware is broken.

It doesn't matter if it was given invalid commands.

@Bob That is a statement I live by, but I also see many of my "compe-tollegues" not work by the same ehtic

Many govt contracts here, for example, get done by companies that are not far from being charlatans

@Asmyldof: hence my suggestion to roll back and test.

Then you can blame the hardware

Samsung does occationally muck up their firmware tho

@JourneymanGeek But I can't roll back, on account of nothing responds

@Asmyldof: even the recovery thing?

Well, not nothing, the PCIe chip on it seems to do something, when prodded long enough by the bios

@JourneymanGeek I think I missed something between the ramblings?

Then its broken, refusing to boot, and they better bloody replace it ;p

In those words ;p

Yeah, but I'm still also mailing with the FW people, since they may know how to get my data back = 2 weeks of work = many € in time

When you do get your system running again, might I suggest a more rigourous backup plan? ;p

And then if I can get them to not make a ticket with Samsung about that, that'd be great

Well, I used to have one, back in the day of harddrives that had motors and magnetic heads

And then those lasted for 5 years

or more, but I never found out, because, newer better

So over time I slackened it from once 2 days to once every 20 days

And now this piece of poop-cake decides to throw a wrench in the works right when I just happen to have finally found 4 new customers that are all waiting for results

lol

Daily incrementals are good.

It could have also just done this 7 weeks ago and not caused more damage than a new drive

I've simulated losing 2 drives on the same day, and got things back up quick ;p

I had something for that too, once...

But then other stuff went wrong, don't remember what

veem is what I use now

something with one of the ReadyNAS's

It's just, after 8 years you get lazy if nothing ever happens, I suppose

slightly temperamental with my linux samba shares, but works fine otherwise

lol

I'll write it down, have a look

I've not lost a disk in years.

Well, if you had asked me yesterday....

Well not a boot disk.

I'd have not lost a disk unrecoverably at all in 18 years

I lose storage drives every so often

(but those are backed up too!)

@JourneymanGeek Check behind the sofa cushions for those lost drives

First place I look

That does include 3.5inch and even 5.25inch ones

lol

(protip. never buy seagate)

I stick to HGSTs where I can

I have a couple of seagates in abox. Worked for 4 years

HGST, was that a Samsung spin off?

I know the brand, have 2 even, but my mind if foggy from getting up at 5 to do work and then discovering a smoking pile of no-laptop

@Asmyldof Hitachi :) (and... IBM?)

Ah right

Makes sense

And also the bell rings now

IBM's disk division was bought up by hitachi

Ah

who WD swallowed up and run as an independant division

who happen to make the most reliable desktop drives you can buy

And is Hitachi now responsible for being 95% compatible with the standard, but in reverse, right?

It being IBM

;-)

(there's quite literally 2 disk makers left)

SSDs are getting to the point where I'd consider them usable for bulk storage in a few years tho

The cheap ADATA one is already for "bulk" storage

Stores dropbox

oh, I mean minimum 1tb ;p

Since my design files are (where required encrypted in the program that uses them) all in there it makes switching designs brilliantly quick

My boot drives are ~250gb

700-ish GB

The drive itself, my DB is about 400GB

@Bob On my P157SM, runs reasonably well, but monitor doesn't turn off by itself and I need to use the laptop's "monitor off" hotkey to turn it off at the firmware level.

<-- power power user of storage

:-)

lol

Huh, for me the "Airplane Mode" button doesn't work, but the Win 10 did...

@Bob has me beat, but I only have ~7-8 tb of storage

did....

grmbl

My network has about 96GB

of which about 1GB .hex files :-D

TB

sorry

.hex files aren't very efficient in a diff-based versioning system ;-D

work has...

something like 1pb ;p

Yeah, but I only have one employee making all the data

<--

Airplane mode does not work either and the driver refused to update correctly via Windows Update (it kept failing to install).

Hm

shrug

@JourneymanGeek 22 TB reporting in! :P

Yeah ;p

@DragonLord ow. I might hold off, then.

How old is yours? Was it 8.1-era?

@JourneymanGeek Almost all my drives are Seagate...

@Bob It's a mid-2013 model.

(I'm considering more space but the better video card seemed like a better idea)

Windows 8.1.

Machine is about 19 months old.

@Bob: I think I have one seagate drive left.

DOID was seagate ;p

IIRC

Replacement was a HGST (Its currently a spare drive till I decide what to do with it)

1x 5TB Seagate external, 2x 2TB Seagate external, 2x 2TB Seagate internal, 2x 2TB Toshiba (HGST?) internal, 1x 1.5TB WD external, 1x 2TB Seagate portable, 1x 2TB Toshiba (?) portable

Plus laptop drives that are largely Hitachi (HGST?)

naw, toshiba makes their own drives IIRC

And a bunch of Samsung SSDs and a 120GB Intel SSD.

@JourneymanGeek Really? I think the ones in my desktop report as Hitachi via SMART

I'll check when I get home

@DragonLord Ow.

Mine is probably the same era.

Damn.

yeah. At the moment 2 samsung SSD (~250gb) one seagate nas (3tb... its a bit transitional) 1 3tb HGST, 2 old sub 500 gb HGSTs that never seem to die

.... and 2 30 gb fujitsu laptop drives...

er, and whatever's on the R61.

60 gb I'd guess.

My 1.5TB WD external is 6 years old now

and it's a model known for dying early

I have no idea how it's still running

@Bob: I had a 7200.11

@Bob: bell curve ;p

You just happened to get lucky.

whoops

I had an 8800 that lasted ~6 years

I just accidentally sideways'd my laptop screen

The 450gts that replaced it currently has 2 dead ports.

(ctrl+alt+arrowkey)

(I'm thinking of sticking my 660 into a core 2 duo with 2gb of ram)

The benchmarks should be lulzy.

@allquixotic ^ that's in a better location

What is so special about an OTG cable ? any wiring changes? No then there are hundreds of male to male, just not called OTG?

amazon.com/Micro-USB-30cm-Data-Cable/dp/B00TQOEST0/… 30 second in search.

OTG has an extra pin on the host side

ahh, so some kind of identifyer thing connects so it knows the purpose ?

Anyone using a/the stackapps edit assistant script that does common replacements? /dont/don't/ /doesnt/doesn't/ etc? My search-fu is failing

@bertieb ? github.com/TomWij/su-automatic-corrector is pretty dead

dunno if there's another one

original, also dead: stackapps.com/questions/2209/se-editor-toolkit

@Bob Thanks! Will take a look in a min, just figuring cable route...

I didnt know they had that. Cheap thermal cameras for android amazon.com/Seek-Thermal-Extended-Android-UT-AAA/dp/B00SSZ5KQI/… Now if they just get the resolution to at least 400 (type) and make 3 removable lenses (macro , wide, zoom) that would be amazing.

Kids with these are really going to mess up playing Hide & Seek :-)

Anyone used Amazon Trade-In program here? amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200302930

I would gladly trade-in Sennheiser audiophones for amount to gift card and buy camera.

@Bob Seems to be dead-but-working; trying out TomWij's one at the mo

@bertieb I wouldn't use these, really.

They mistakenly 'correct' a lot of things.

@Bob True, but the number of i -> I I've done today alone was the camel-mangling straw

I'd never use that on SO, for example, but here it's grand.

It has a live highlighted diff for checking for derpy corrections

If it becomes more of a pain to use than manually editing I'll update for my own uses or remove it

Getting up at half 4 to give someone a run to the airport does a number on my crankiness quotient

@Bob that's more than I've ever gotten, I think, in both directions

I never come close to that in normal usage, but my best probably was more like 28/24

too bad I don't have a lot of money right now; I can get the top-end Surface Pro 3 model that MSRPs for $1949, for $1799, with $540 back in points to spend at the store, and spending $178 in points as I go, which means I'd pay $1621 and get $540 back, so effectively I'm burning $178 I already "have", but I end up "getting" it for close to half-price

:/

Still no "good" news from Samsung... starting to feel slightly murderous

@allquixotic That hurt my brain :P

@bertieb: makes sense if you know you'll be getting stuff at that store in the near future, and want a SP3 anyway

@JourneymanGeek Very little is making sense to my tired brain at the moment :P

(actually it does make sense, but YKWIM)

Some serious concerns about Mozilla.

They seem to be trying to monetize Firefox more aggressively than before with suggested content in the New Tab page.

Is Mozilla struggling to stay competitive with Google and its Chrome browser?

heh, that was amusing. Someone 1. Added information that was relevant, and actually dramatically improved on one of my answers. 2. Made me realise I missed a critical part of the question

@DragonLord they're struggling not to run out of money

they spent a ton of money on a platform that nobody wants (Firefox OS)

@allquixotic Sad...

yup

on a market that's not exactly growing and dosen't really have a niche for em

Hey guys,

I've got a Windows 2012 Server VPS,

Especially when there's a new competitor. It's called Microsoft Edge, and it represents a real threat to Firefox.

And I'm on Mac.

I have to change my VPS password,

however, I cannot use the hotkey control+alt+del

it doesn't work.

And there is no option to change the password.

Any way I could do that?

._.

Whhhaaaat?

@HassanAlthaf: why would you need your 3 finger salute to change a password?

And without knowing what your VPS runs...

its alright got it

@DragonLord In my mind, Edge isn't a threat to anything until it (1) supports extensions, AND (2) there are lots of very high quality, free extensions available that do what Firefox extensions do, or do it even better.

right now Edge is vaporware IMO. It may as well not exist. A browser that doesn't support extensions is not a web browser.

Edge is a joke until it does.

And no one's laughing.

Right now I'd rather run IE 9 than Edge if I were forced to pick one or the other. At least IE 9 supports extensions.

(heh. I'm not switching browsers until someone replicates onliner ._.)

@allquixotic Middle of the night in an empty train station, though :P

"So to make browsers safer against attacks, and just more reliable, it is important to create an extension model that is safer, by sharing less state between the browser itself and the extensions. Thus Microsoft Edge provides no support for VML, VB Script, Toolbars, BHOs, or ActiveX. The need for such extensions is significantly reduced by the rich capabilities of HTML5, and using HTML5 results in sites that are interoperable across browsers."

All the other things they tossed out over the years probably make things safer too LOL , when in just the next question over , some dude is asking about ransomware aquired Via edge.

@Psycogeek Agreed, each extension in a web browser is a potential attack vector.

They're stopping the burglars by removing all doors and windows.

lol

Modern houses are modern anyway, so having to rely on entrances is obsolete, right?

@allquixotic In all fairness, (limited) extension support is planned.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Scotty, one to beam home.

@bertieb Instructions unclear, teleported brain away from user.

No differences noticed.

So where are the HTML5 flashing banner ads ? we know they are comming, and how exactally will we stop them, it was rather convienient when the ads used Gifanim, and flash could be turned on and off for a site.

How Will an Active-X Minus browser play all the browser Games that used that method ?

The answer is pretty simple, go to the store.

@Bob The "limited" part scares me; they might not provide enough control to implement a good ad-blocker, let alone something like LastPass. Not only that, but even if all the FF/Chrome extensions I use eventually have good extensions in Edge, it's currently vaporware, so I'll believe it when I see it.

!!no

@allquixotic They claim "HTML and JS" so I'm guessing more like userscripts.

You could probably do an (inefficient?) adblocker in them.

LastPass is certainly possible.

Especially since it's supposed to be able to talk to a native program, so any hardware interaction could be done like that.

@Bob Hmm... if it can talk to a native program, that's most extensions covered there, worst-case via a kluge and an external process; but not being able to intercept incoming connections and choose to block them, etc. is pretty inefficient as far as adblocking goes.

@allquixotic Well, it certainly makes the browser look better - now shitty extensions can't crash the whole browser.

@Bob Can't say I've ever had an extension crash the whole browser, at least not in Firefox or Chrome. Maybe IE.

@allquixotic Anything that can directly interact with the browser chrome has that potential.

> Congratulations! Your very first review on Amazon has been posted to the site.

@Bob yours?

@allquixotic ya

Fairly brief one, but meh :P

so, I'm back from my 'fun' vacation

@Sathya oh?

which included being cut off from civilization because floods wiped out a city and all roads leading to/from it

o.O

@Sathya Holyshit :O

Great adventure anyway :D

yeah

some pictures:

@Sathya Nice!

PSA: If you're using Firefox, especially if you're running Windows 10, be sure to update it to version 40. The UI has been updated to match the new system.

@DragonLord I was wondering when they'd fix the ui

Just came out today.

New Firefox releases are made every six weeks.

Cheers for that, updating now.

@DragonLord that was in the beta notes for weeks :P

Urgh, we need Moz to survive, otherwise all we have is a bunch of shitty Webkit clones.

And IE/Edge. shudder

Oh dear Dog, I might have to use a Microsoft browser.

@Mokubai Well more accurately we need a community of developers (volunteer or otherwise) to maintain a fully free, privacy-respecting, ad-free web browser that's not webkit

doesn't have to come from mozilla, though it certainly helps with development velocity

@allquixotic Well that would be nice too :P

Okay, I think I've also managed to fix my computer "clicking" since the Win10 upgrade. I think whatever driver was installed for the storage controller was enabling some rather aggressive hard drive APM/AAM settings and downgrading them seems to have fixed it.

It's nice that most Win8 drivers should be fine on Win10.

@ThatBrazilianGuy Mah brain!

scribd.com/doc/274176394/…

crazy

PSA: If you're using any Oracle product, stop it. No, you really can't expect Oracle products to be secure and bug-free. And it's illegal to help them make them so.

@allquixotic It really beggars belief sometimes

Finding a vulnerability is like cheating on a spouse

That's, that's just.... facepalm

For the same reason Oracle will not implement Check constraints in MySQL.

If a community contributor tries to add CHECK constraint support to the code, chances are good it'll be rejected.

@DragonLord To be fair, the other MySQL upstream also doesn't support them: mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/check-constraints-support

@DragonLord All they need to do is pay Florian some money to say discover themselves it was actually the community contributor infringing on some unnamed patents Oracle holds

@bertieb The corruption in American IT is real. An easy way to spot it: do you have to pay $10k for a software license? Yes? Then they're corrupt.

@allquixotic Heh, good rule of thumb

@allquixotic Well, consider that the software costs billions to develop and has a very limited market.

@DragonLord s/billions/beeeeelllions *pinky to mouth*/

Billions to develop. I'm not joking.

When the market for the software is this small, there's no way around extremely high license costs.

@DragonLord If you're saying billions, you have to do the Dr Evil bit; it's in the law or something...

:D

...and add in the final comment on the bug, "Community contributors are hereby barred from submitting any code contribution to MySQL which implements CHECK constraints. Any such contributions will be rejected."

...setting the bloody date shouldn't make my blood pressure go this high

WHY IS THIS SO HARD

@DragonLord Not all of Oracle's software has a limited market. Their database software has an enormous market. Worldwide, there's probably at least 1 database schema for each person on the planet, and probably even more than that. Hundreds of millions, if not billions, of database instances. Free software like PostgreSQL is quickly proving that Oracle Database is not a "must-have" for enormous scale databases. Even so, if Oracle lowered their prices, they might get (many) more sales.

does anyone here happen to know how you set the date on a linux machine?

Amazon Music: A great idea an another great way to use your Prime membership, but a real crap implementation

because this is ridiculous

Well, PostgreSQL has been gaining ground since Sun was acquired by Oracle.

@Bob date ?

How many customers decided not to buy Oracle and go with SQL Server or PostgreSQL because of the Oracle's license cost? They'd probably make more revenue with a lower price, especially if they had a cheaper license where you only get automated support mechanisms (no live support).

(nope, gui method won't work... kde clock => apparently tries to use kdesudo instead of kdesu and gets into a spinlock of some kind)

@Mokubai if only

sudo date?

bob@ubuntu:~$ date
Tue Aug 11 12:41:15 PDT 2015
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date --set=2016
[sudo] password for bob:
Tue Aug 11 20:16:00 PDT 2015
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date --set=2016
Tue Aug 11 20:16:00 PDT 2015
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date --set=20160101
Fri Jan  1 00:00:00 PST 2016
bob@ubuntu:~$ date
Tue Aug 11 12:42:00 PDT 2015
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date
Tue Aug 11 12:42:04 PDT 2015
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date 20160101
date: invalid date ‘20160101’
bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo date '01 Jan 2016'
date: invalid date ‘01 Jan 2016’

I'm pretty sure I've seen that work

That's approximately the time I seriously considered rm -rf /*

SQL Server isn't cheap to license at the highest license levels, either.

@Bob got an ntp client running?

@Mokubai no clue. not in the services list

Probably not.

bob@ubuntu:~$ sudo service ntp status
● ntp.service
   Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory)
   Active: inactive (dead)

thought it was ntpd

what distro?

@Mokubai nah, service naming conventions don't include the d, and no ntp in the full list

kubuntu

It's ntpd on openSUSE.

> You will still have ntpdate installed. (It is difficult to remove.) Prevent it from executing by adding exit 0 to /etc/default/ntpdate.

?!?!?!!@#$#$#$@#$!@$$#$#@

WHO DESIGNED THIS CRAP

People who like to say "BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!" a lot

and "No Mr Bond, I expect you to die"

You have a perfectly good service manager, heck, three of them (sysvnit, upstart, systemd)

but nooooooope let's have something always-running!

He should just have shot bond twice. With brass bullets

And who have piranha tanks for people who displease them, proper evil types

Like Linus

;)

?!

It's still resetting

Once again: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

kill -9 ntpdate ?

kill -1 1

time sync is off too

Not sure if sending SIGHUP would help here.

No ntpdate in the process list

@Bob Nuke from orbit? Might set the date somehow

@DragonLord sighup TO ALL PROCESSSES certainly would do something.

PS: do not try that command on a live server

@Hennes That's definitely disruptive.

Server processes are well-behaved (but may experience a brief interruption), while programs that don't understand SIGHUP would just die.

Same kind of 'fun' as solaris killall or deadrats sys-unconfig

@Hennes Not as fun as dding /dev/urandom to kmem :D

DIE, SYSTEMD, DIE

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd-timesyncd

WHO DOES THIS CRAP

@Bob Ah, I believe that's... German for "The systemd, the."

Why is systemd so hated?

Because its dev knows best.

@DragonLord Because they roll everything into what's supposed to be an init replacement.

You eventually end up with this monolithic underdocumented beast where no-one really knows what's in it.

@Bob Underdocumented? Okay. Monolithic? There are 69 distinct binaries within the systemd "project" umbrella, and many/most of them can be disabled at configure-time with no adverse effects (assuming you have some other script or service independent of systemd to take care of the same task).

Only one of those 69 is pid 0 (init), and it by itself does relatively little. The rest of the stuff is basically C reimplementations (faster, less buggy) of a lot of the traditional init scripts that went into Red Hat or Debian.

pretty sure this should work if you have timedatectl on your distro: access.redhat.com/documentation/en-US/Red_Hat_Enterprise_Linux/…

@allquixotic I've already gone and turned off ntp. The problem isn't necessarily the systemd doco but all the crap that gets pulled in by distros and then conflicts with everything else with no warning or documentation from the distro maintainers, partially because they themselves don't know the extent of the changes.

@DragonLord: Amongst other things? The main dev is not very popular. Also, it replaces many well understood OTW things with many things that are deeply tied into systemd