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6:00 PM
@Johannes_B No, I don't think so. Why do you ask?
 
@AdamLiter Google image search.
@AdamLiter No additional information available linguistics.ubc.ca/persons/natalie-weber
 
@Johannes_B Ah, ha, I see. I use startpage, which is basically an anonymous mirror of Google, but some of that doesn't come up when you search Natalie Weber on start page.
And yes, I emailed her a while ago. I think she's writing her dissertation or something, so she might be busy. I was going to try emailing her again in a few weeks. I think it's been about 4 or so months now since I originally emailed her.
 
@AdamLiter by the way, what exactly is the matter/typo?
@AdamLiter Ah, obsolete commands.
 
@Johannes_B In leipzig, you mean? Yeah, there's more information on it here and here
 
@AdamLiter Leipzig is a nice town, by the way :-)
 
6:08 PM
@Johannes_B I've never been, but I'd love to go. The standard abbreviations used in linguistic glossing were jointly developed by Balthasar Bickel at the University of Leipzig, and so I imagine that's why they've come to be called the Leipzig Glossing Rules. :p
 
@AdamLiter I had no idea there are glossing rules called Leipzig :-)
 
@Johannes_B Yep, that's where the name of the package comes from. :)
 
@PauloCereda We now have build.lua save --engine=pdftex,xetex m3expl001 m3expl003 :-)
 
@JosephWright :)
@JosephWright: could you try something for me?
 
@PauloCereda Of course
 
6:14 PM
@JosephWright out of curiosity, what --engine={ a b c } give you?
 
sh: {xetex: command not found
lstat(./{xetex) failed ...
./{xetex: No such file or directory
Assertion failed: (ret), function remove_dots, file ../../../texk/kpathsea/progname.c, line 316.
Abort trap: 6
 
@JosephWright ouch :)
Thanks
:)
 
@PauloCereda I think we can live with that
 
6:49 PM
@PauloCereda Next, expectation tests (integrating the pull request)
 
7:02 PM
Another question for anyone who might happen to know the answer. How do the different distributions work in terms of handling packages on CTAN? For example, if there's a package that is in TeX Live, is there a way to request that it also be part of MiKTeX, or is that something that is up to the package author?
 
@AdamLiter Both TL and MiKTeX pick stuff up from the CTAN RSS
@AdamLiter The inclusion policies are not identical: Christian Schenk is more permissive than the TL team
 
@JosephWright So is the fact that textglos isn't included in MiKTeX just an oversight?
 
@AdamLiter If you think you get missed, as on the TeX Live list for TL, or use the webform to get hold of Christian for MiKTeX
@AdamLiter Very likely
 
@JosephWright Thanks! I just sent an email via the web form. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer @yo' Try number one with wet sheets did not work at all. The air was standing still, all i got was a hot room with tropical heat and dampness. Now a nice breeze is going on, opened windows in the west and the east of the apartment. If that doesnt work, i don't know.
 
yo'
7:11 PM
@Johannes_B that's strange. It worked for me really well in the morning, when I left the sheet on my (West) balcony. I closed the balcony door at about 2pm and opened the kitchen window at about 4pm, and all went "well"---I didn't get over 32C inside.
 
@yo' I was looking forward to drinking a nice non-alcoholic beer this evening. When opening, half of the bottleneck came off. Definitely risky drinking it, but maybe running it through a coffe sieve?
 
yo'
@Johannes_B go to a nearby pub and get one there? :)
but certainly, a coffee filter is both fine enough and strong enough for the job.
 
@yo' I'll check if anything is left in the sieve.
 
yo'
I've already had one cider today, I think I'll get another one when I finally go get a dinner.
Btw, do we know when the other videos should be uploaded?
 
@yo' Depends on Kaveh: normally takes him several days
 
yo'
7:17 PM
@JosephWright I'm not in a hurry, it's just that clicking there again and again starts to be ... repetitive :)
 
@yo' Normally there's an e-mail when the videos are done, I think
 
yo'
@JosephWright cool
 
@yo' I poured it down the drain. Better save than sorry.
 
What a blasphemy! How dare you visit egreg's profile? His stats are basically numbers coming out of integer overflows. It can very well be 3 instead. — percusse 20 hours ago
 
7:37 PM
@StefanKottwitz @clemens Sorry, i feel a bit dumb, but ... How can i change my profile picture on texwelt?
 
yo'
@PauloCereda I saw that :)
@Johannes_B well, the mistake is to have one beer in the fridge :D
 
7:55 PM
@yo' True. I had three yesterday, but a friend and me had one each.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B ah I see. Well, the mistake is to have only three beers in the fridge ... Oh, sorry :D
 
@yo' They weren't really cold yesterday, which was annoying. But the girl i drank with is beautiful. So it was still quite nice. :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B at first you say a friend, at second a girl, what's next?
\end{tease}
 
@yo' Yes, she's a girl, she's my friend. She's not my girlfriend</sheldonCooper>
 
yo'
@Johannes_B haha :)
 
8:00 PM
@Johannes_B Yet. :)
 
@PauloCereda I am pretty sure the current state is persistent.
Very sure to be precise.
 
yo'
 
@Johannes_B Tell her about TeX. :)
 
@PauloCereda She knows about it ;-)
@yo' How come?
 
@Johannes_B MARRY HER
NOW
 
yo'
8:06 PM
@PauloCereda :D
@Johannes_B you mentioned Sheldon, and I was playing a lot of music today :-)
 
@Johannes: search is not working, but I still remember it by heart:
You: Hey, are you defined as a robust command?
Girl: What?!
You: Because my heart is fragile for you. <3
Girl: WHAT?!
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@Johannes: ^^ It works. Sometimes. Maybe.
 
@PauloCereda @yo' Sorry guys, she is already married.
 
@Johannes_B Oh no.
OK next plan.
Does she have a friend?
 
@PauloCereda Sim.
 
They always do. Girls walk in packs. Ferocious packs, also WhatsApp groups.
@Johannes_B woooo
 
8:09 PM
@PauloCereda Sure, i think all are in a relationship and have kids, and/or are married.
 
@Johannes_B Ouch.
 
@PauloCereda Current situation is crazy. I think there is something in the drinking water. So many peolpe are getting kids in the last few years.
 
Hi guys. Is it wrong to use already defined class for your thesis? I have used one and although It has produced beautiful document, I ended up with errors I do not even know where they came from.
 
@Reem Which class did you use?
 
yo'
@Reem that's what happens a lot when you use a "foreign" class. Other than that, you are fine with using a "foreign" class, given that (1) the license allows it and (2) it's not a complete crap.
 
8:14 PM
Created by Steve R. Gunn, modified by Sunil Patel
 
yo'
Now excuse me, I gotta go, my bath is ready ... and a rubber duck, too @Paulo :-)
 
I think I'm fine with the license. The problem is my thesis is using xlatex while this class says Package epstopdf Warning: Drivers other than `pdftex.def' are not supported.
 
@yo' woooo
:)
 
@Reem So this means it's probably badly done. There's usually no reason for a class to be engine specific.
 
@AlanMunn I think it's an age thing: it's a few years old so has epstopdf in the class rather than relying on the fact graphics now loads it as required
 
8:19 PM
@Reem I somehow feared it would be that way. That thing is haunting me in my nightmares.
 
@reem The problem is that people who write classes for their own use usually load them up with the packages they used, rather than leaving that up to the document itself.
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@Reem Kick it out, feel no mercy.
 
@reem Yes, it could also be age. But those kinds of problems are usually not too hard to solve (as @Johannes_B suggests.)
@Reem So as a first approximation, remove all the packages that aren't absolutely essential to the macros that the class offers.
 
@Johannes_B Yep, it is indeed.
@reem If you can, run away from this template... It's really bad.
 
8:25 PM
@PauloCereda Search is broken?
 
@Johannes_B Chatroom search is.
 
@AlanMunn Most used on the template site.
@PauloCereda Yeah, meant that. Searched for my posts containing template. Nothing turned up.
 
@reem Learn to use a proper document class (scrbook, scrprt from the KOMA classes) or memoir, and learn to modify it. Those classes provide lots of good and fairly simple methods for customizing the looks of things, and you will save yourself many headaches in the long run. (And learn some more LaTeX along the way.)
 
@Reem How far are you writing? How many days left till due date?
 
@Johannes_B: Good advice: Try to remain free, less problems, believe me ;-)
 
8:28 PM
6 months from now
sorry my deadline is 6 months from now
 
@Reem Just what we want to hear! So you have time to do this yourself.
 
@Johannes_B :(
 
@Reem I wrote my PhD thesis in three months, so what's about six months :D
 
@Reem Would you have said 6 days i would have answered with Don't listen to @Alan. But there is enough time to learn the very basics (few days, a week max) and you should really listen to @Alan's advice. ;-)
 
Sure! I will try out your suggestions
Thanks Everyone!
 
8:30 PM
@Johannes_B @reem Yes, I agree, without some experience redoing things in a couple of days would be tough, but it shouldn't take you more than a week.
 
@Johannes_B @clemens via gravatar.com and profile (Benutzerwerkzeuge, Profil bearbeiten)
 
@StefanKottwitz So i have to visit gravatar.com?
 
@Johannes_B just if you like
 
@StefanKottwitz ok, seems i am stupid. I am in the texwelt profile, Profile bearbeiten. And now?
@StefanKottwitz By the way, i have sent you a mail. Nothing very useful though.
 
@Johannes_B it's a global thing so you could use that avatar anywhere
 
8:36 PM
@StefanKottwitz I would like to assign that little green penguin on the left to the gmail account.
 
@Johannes_B then, below the avatar image, there's a Gravatar link
 
@StefanKottwitz clicked.
 
@JosephWright Cool! :)
 
@PauloCereda Been sitting there a while: we agreed to take it at TUG2015, so I just had to do the work
 
8:38 PM
@Johannes_B hmmmmm, it's associated with your email account which you used
 
@JosephWright :)
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, but you and clemens and frank have non-gravatars. I am slightly confused.
asked Frank, he doesn't remember anything.
 
@Johannes_B Yes, but: Clemens and I got actually a gravatar image. We uploaded a photo at gravatar.com. You got a default random one.
 
@StefanKottwitz So i have to signup to gravatar.
 
@Johannes_B if you like, yes :-)
@Johannes_B I even have a french avatar without uploading: french me
 
8:44 PM
@StefanKottwitz I get a 500 :-p Désolé, erreur système
 
@PauloCereda This is one of the places I've been today: San Gimignano (near Siena)
 
@Johannes_B hm, can you see TeXnique.fr at all?
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, looks like TW. At the top the orange bar with the Here the first time?-message. But in french.
 
@egreg Cool
 
@StefanKottwitz Now two uestions. The table one with 2 answers.
 
8:46 PM
@Johannes_B Same here
@StefanKottwitz Fetchez la vache
 
@Johannes_B I made the setup for french friends who I met in Darmstadt, because French sometimes don't know English so well. Or German.
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah
@StefanKottwitz Cool
@StefanKottwitz Who specifically?
 
@StefanKottwitz Same with probably all languages.
 
@Johannes_B Yes: arguments for and against splitting, of course
 
@egreg Wow, beautiful!
 
8:48 PM
@JosephWright Britons are usually fond of Tuscany
 
@JosephWright With Denis Bitouzé. If he and the others like, they can take over.
 
@PauloCereda A very well preserved medieval town (full of tourists, though).
 
@StefanKottwitz Ah
 
@PauloCereda In the middle ages, towers were built by rich families to show off their power. Few towers survived, because if a family went in disgrace their tower got destroyed. For some reasons, San Gimignano kept most of its towers.
 
@egreg Is it far from Verona?
 
8:52 PM
@JosephWright Keep splitting to a minimum, imho.
 
@PauloCereda Quite.
 
@Johannes_B Broadly yes
 
yo'
@AlanMunn I've recently written an article about this, it should appear in the TUGboat.
 
@JosephWright There are too many information chunks out there already, and instead of updating existing ones, many people produce new ones.
 
@yo' About running away from templates?
 
yo'
8:56 PM
@AlanMunn that too :D (No, not really, it's about making thesis templates)
 
@PauloCereda According to Google maps it's 280 km (about the same distance from my starting point, actually).
 
Has anyone ever heard about enumerated description lists?
 
@PauloCereda For Italian standards, 300 km is far away. ;-)
 
@egreg By N. American standards it's "going for lunch". :)
 
@egreg It's less far than me going to SP. :)
Actually, SP is shorter! :)
@Alan: ^^ :)
 
9:01 PM
@AlanMunn -- maybe for most of n. america, but for rhode island, going to the other end of the state is "pack a lunch, and maybe an overnight bag". and that's at most 100 km.
 
cfr
@ChristianHupfer Yes, I saw it. Perhaps the question belongs on Christianity SE (if there is one) instead?
 
@Johannes_B a penguin?
 
@cfr Why Christianity.SE?
 
@StefanKottwitz a moose?
 
9:10 PM
@AlanMunn Thought so.
 
cfr
@ChristianHupfer I thought they might be able to help the OP 'ask like Jesus would' given that that is apparently what we are requiring.
 
@cfr :D Already forgotten that line ... But I am a little bit angry about that guy. Apparently he is doing Astronomy/Astrophysics and writes such rubbish!
 
yo'
@cfr hey that's mean! :D
 
I think @Christian is allowed to post stuff on his community, that is, Christianity. :)
 
@StefanKottwitz Yes, didn't you know? I am a penguin.
 
yo'
9:13 PM
@Johannes_B well, I see a green boxed creature, not a pinguin...
 
@yo' This is actually depicting a green martian. ;-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B ak ok, thanks for the information :)
 
@PauloCereda I am the mod and single user there, and I have to delete my posts there continously, because I am blasphemic as user and am I believer as moderator :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer oooh :)
 
yo'
9:19 PM
@PauloCereda no, this is a pure stupid profanity.
 
@yo' Sorry. :(
 
yo'
@PauloCereda no need to apologize, you didn't write the song, did you? :)
 
@yo' No, we ducks cannot hold pens. :)
Speaking of ducks...
@yo': @egreg said you have ducks, show them! :)
 
yo'
well, one very profane song is one of the strong reasons why I ignore a recent Czech folk star ... I like folk really a lot, but this is unbearable.
@PauloCereda I've got two of them from budducks :)
 
Most hits in the River Valley website are from Joseph and Will. I think people here want to see how them sound when talking. :)
@yo' ooooooh the one full of dots?
 
yo'
9:22 PM
@PauloCereda yep: budducks.com/new/product/28-luxury-pop-dot-duck and then I've got this one, unwrapped still, I hope it'll be useful soon ;) budducks.com/new/product/15-luxury-pop-heart-duck
btw, have you noticed the duck on the postcard you've received?
 
@Johannes_B: If the gravatar problem does not occupy you too much:
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Q: Separate table of contents for appendix

MartinWe are working on a book (class scrbook) where we would like to have two separate table of contents: one at the beginning of the document for the actual "content" of the book and another one just before the first chapter of the appendix starts, which only contains the chapters and sections of the...

 
@yo' I did. :) And I know who drew it. <3
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :D
 
@yo' and the duck is a lowercase G. /wink wink :)
 
yo'
@PauloCereda yes, quite. But I admired the drawing technique :-)
well, my hair has almost dried, I'll play a bit of the piano and them I'll be off. So see you later!
 
9:30 PM
@barbarabeeton Yes, well you do live in the tiniest state. (Or is Delaware smaller?) But here in Michigan I routinely drive to Ann Arbor for concerts and movies, and that's about 100km each way.
 
@yo' See ya, pal!
 
@AlanMunn -- rhode island is the smallest; delaware is second. (i've never lived in a "big" state; grew up in maryland, which is sixth. little states have a lot to recommend them. small packages, you know.) but i'm not afraid to drive farther. there's a book fair held in delaware every two years that we attend; about 400 miles. and in an earlier life, i drove from providence to china lake, california, in three days and 10 hours. not bad in a car with a 2-cycle, 45 hp engine.
 
@barbarabeeton Yes, I went to grad school at UMd, so I know the Md/Va/DC/De area quite well. But I grew up in Toronto, and Ontario is huge (takes two sides of the standard highway map).
 
@ChristianHupfer google.de/…
@ChristianHupfer The server is down today.
 
@AlanMunn You don't have Italian style roads. ;-)
 
9:37 PM
I know a lot of US states and their capitals!
:)
Because of that Animaniacs song. :P
 
@egreg No, not at all.
 
@AlanMunn The road up to San Gimignano is very nice for the landscape, but curvy and narrow, like for almost every place in central Italy.
 
@egreg Yes, as I think I mentioned before I have ridden between Venice-Bologna-Florence by bicycle. it was beautiful and somewhat scary.
 
@egreg trying to earn me some rep?
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
9:46 PM
@egreg was on the android tablet and half a bottle of wine so decided not to risk posting code:-)
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@egreg so I see....
 
yo'
@PauloCereda thanks. I've finished and I'm off. Bye!
 
@DavidCarlisle But moderncv.cls seems an endless source for missing % :(
 
@egreg any more \expandafter expanding unexpandable tokens?
 
9:57 PM
@egreg It's like BitCoin for spaces.
 
@AlanMunn :-)
 
@yo @PauloCereda Ever seen an orange martian? youtube.com/watch?v=1DepXh6V6Bk&t=04m54s
 
@DavidCarlisle Not checked for them.
@DavidCarlisle A couple of \roman{<counter>} used in \csname (for keeping Greek users happy).
Good night all!
 
cfr
10:15 PM
@ChristianHupfer Just don't read his questions. Or read them if you feel like it, but don't respond. (Which is actually what I do.) I really do have a mental blacklist. So far, this is the second person to make that list. However, the first person is no longer on it, so there was nobody on it when I added this second. So there is currently one person on it.
[That is, 'read' means 'read with at least the possibility of leaving a comment, posting an answer or otherwise engaging'.]
@yo' Fair point. Christianity SE (if it exists) has never done anything bad to me that I know of, so I agree that it would be mean to encourage this user to visit them as well.
 
@cfr I make a point of never reading @egreg 's questions.
 
@cfr I have actually only read three of his questions and two them revealed his connection to Astrophysics. As a former Astrophysicist I feel bad about such people ... Well, my blacklist is a little bit longer ;-) But only a little bit ;-)
 
10:44 PM
@cfr So then this interactions with babel and biblatex is just plain screwed up.
@cfr But those errors are from the German, not the English. So I think my solution is correct for the error, but there is an independent problem with ngerman-apa.
 
cfr
10:58 PM
@AlanMunn I don't think so. If I use the original code and tell compilation to continue, ignoring the error, I get no errors on the next compilation and no warnings about undefined bib strings. Also, the output then looks correct. I think that entry is supposed to use English strings, isn't it? The manual says that hyphenation was renamed langid so I assume the entries are meant to use english strings.
 
@cfr Yes, that's true.
 
Hi everyone. I've got a short (and probably easy) question: Is it possible to define a new amsthm environment which is just like the proof environment, except it has "solution" at the beginning instead of "proof"?
I couldn't really find it in the documentation
 
@Danu \newtheorem{solution}{Solution} perhaps? solution is the environment name, Solution is the text at the beginning
 
@ChristianHupfer That'll make it look like the other environments, i.e. like a theorem (with e.g. bold heading and stuff)
 
@cfr The problem is definitely with the langid in the bib entries. If you remove them, no error.
 
11:06 PM
The proof environment is different from all the other ones
 
@Danu Then look into the theorem styles
 
@ChristianHupfer It seems to me like the documentation only discusses how to define new environments that are like theorems/definitions/remarks, but not ones based on "proof"
 
@Danu Have you dared a look into amsthm.sty?
\newenvironment{proof}[1][\proofname]{\par
\pushQED{\qed}%
\normalfont \topsep6\p@\@plus6\p@\relax
\trivlist
\item[\hskip\labelsep
\itshape
#1\@addpunct{.}]\ignorespaces
}{%
\popQED\endtrivlist\@endpefalse
}
\providecommand{\proofname}{Proof}
 
@ChristianHupfer No, I'm not very computer-savvy so I didn't think there was much I could get from that :P
 
@Danu Do you want it to replace Proof or be in addition to it?
 
11:13 PM
@AlanMunn In addition
(I'm writing up solutions to exercises which may or may not contain actual proofs depending on the exercise)
 
@Danu So you could just copy the code that @ChristianHupfer quoted, put \makealetter before it and \makeatother after it, and change proof to solution, and proofname to solutionname and Proof to Solution.
@Danu If you don't want the qed then you would need to remove that code.
 
I have this in my preamble now:
\makeatletter
\newenvironment{solution}[1][\solutionname]{\par
\pushQED{\qed}%
\normalfont \topsep6\p@\@plus6\p@\relax
\trivlist
\item[\hskip\labelsep
\itshape
#1\@addpunct{.}]\ignorespaces
}{%
\popQED\endtrivlist\@endpefalse
}
\providecommand{\proofname}{Solution}
\makeatother
but it's not working :\
oh.. I'm dumb
 
cfr
@AlanMunn I just checked and I get the same error with polyglossia. At least, assuming I've set it up correctly.
 
@AlanMunn Works like a charm, thank you very much! Also thanks to @ChristianHupfer
 
@cfr Yes, I think this is a bug.
 
11:22 PM
@Danu We had just proved that we can provide a solution ;-) @AlanMunn
 
@ChristianHupfer Groan.... :)
 
cfr
@AlanMunn Seems so. What I meant is: it doesn't seem specific to the babel-interface.
 
@AlanMunn :D :D
 
@cfr Yes, I think it's somehow in the way the language module get reloaded in the bibliography creation and it shouldn't.
@cfr But I don't know enough about the inner workings of biblatex to know.
 
@ChristianHupfer I... approve
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cfr
11:24 PM
@AlanMunn Is it biblatex or biblatex-apa, though? I'm not entirely clear whether those files do things they ought not do.
 
Good night to you all (or good day, depending on where you live).
 
@Danu If the documentation is unclear, it's most times really necessary to look in to the .sty or .cls file. I was just surprised that proof isn't defined with \newtheorem at all
 
@ChristianHupfer I'm really "afraid" of these files. I'm afraid I might touch and screw up something.
Plus, even with your code, I wouldn't know what to do!
 
@Danu Read-only-mode :D, does not screw up anything ;-)
@Danu Pattern-Matching perhaps? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer I guess that, in this case, that may have worked. However, I would've taken much longer! I'm already having trouble finding the latex files in my computer :P
 
11:29 PM
@cfr It does seem to be biblatex-apa. If I change it to mla, it works without error.
@Danu Terminal + kpsewhich <fileaname> is your friend.
 
@Danu Some say they are to be found in a directory called texmf, but's only a rumour -- don't spread that ;-)
 
@Danu E.g. kpsewhich amsthm.sty will give you /usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/amscls/amsthm.sty
Just don't modify styles directly.
 
@AlanMunn Cool. I feel like such a newbie...
 
cfr
@AlanMunn I tried a variant (style as default but switch target .lbx files) with biblatex-chicago and didn't get the error either.
 
@cfr Yes, so it seems fairly certain it's a problem with biblatex-apa, which is really surprising, given its author.
 
cfr
11:42 PM
@AlanMunn I didn't realise that. Strange. Obviously celebrity-status has gone to the author's head ;).
 
@cfr :) Maybe a beaver has been gnawing at the code.
New user who hasn't quite got the concept down... cooking.stackexchange.com/a/59728
 
cfr
@AlanMunn Isn't it a bit subtle for a beaver?
 
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