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1:17 AM
@egreg Congratulations. Your speed is very consistent! great.
 
 
4 hours later…
5:46 AM
Good morning all! Here’s “Arthur flying to Sweden for the weekend, take 2”
 
6:03 AM
@ArthurReutenauer Oooh
 
@JosephWright Flight from Gatwick cancelled after four hours of making us wait with helpful announcements such as “next info at 17.00”, “next info at 17.30“, “next info at 18.00” ... (you get the point).
@JosephWright We had an evening planned tonight with my girlfriend (going to see an opera there: dalhalla.se) so I really want to go, but the airline is fully booked today for the whole day. I bought a flight with BA from Heathrow this morning.
 
 
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7:43 AM
When adding a photo to an answer, i get an extra pair of brackets/number. Does anyone see the same?
 
8:14 AM
@cfr: Did you get that line by our 'MWE' - proof user too?
 
8:37 AM
@Johannes_B I think, I've seen this 'feature' some times already
 
@Johannes_B Deliberate: makes the thumbnails into hyperlinks
 
@JosephWright So i shouldn't touch it? Wasn't always that way, right?
 
@Johannes_B Is new-ish: @Werner will doubtless be able to find the link
 
yo'
9:05 AM
@Johannes_B IMHO it's stupid, especially for pictures that fit in the width. Feel free to remove [ and ][2]
@ArthurReutenauer beat the hell out of them!
 
@JosephWright Doubtless? Sorry I don't think I know anything about this :)
 
@WillRobertson oops, wrong auto-complete
@WillRobertson Fixed
@WillRobertson What did you think about my subgit mail?
@WillRobertson Also, any view on the suggestion about adding some milestones on GitHub?
 
@JosephWright Just after the conference? I liked it very much!! But didn't have time yet to investigate further.
 
@WillRobertson Cool
 
@JosephWright Good idea as long as people can commit… which might be a problem for some of us
 
9:17 AM
@WillRobertson comedy does have Git available so it would all be doable
@WillRobertson I was thinking very vague milestones, mainly so Bruno and I know what the priorities are
 
@JosephWright Definitely sounds like a good idea
 
@JosephWright @Johannes_B: This has been a feature change since July 22, 2015:
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Q: Support showing image in original size in overlay

Daniel HilgarthIt would be nice to support showing images in their original size when they where automatically resized because they are too big to fit in a question or answer (Example). I envision it just like in blogs or facebook: You can click on the image and it is shown in its original size in an overlay.

Also see:
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A: Recent feature changes to Stack Exchange

fedorqui July 2015 2015-07-22: Image uploader automatically wraps images in a link to themselves. June 2015 2015-06-16: Checking the "community wiki" box when posting an answer now displays a confirmation dialog. May 2015 2015-05-05: "Inappropriate" flag option for posts renamed again, now it ...

 
yo'
9:33 AM
the temperature in my appartment has reached 32C and raising :-(
 
@yo' Oh. I have 27.5C.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B lucky you...
 
@Werner Thanks for the links.
 
yo'
the outside temp is now the same, but it's supposed to reach 37C in 4-5 hours :-(
 
yo'
9:38 AM
@Johannes_B well, 34C peak temp is not good either...
 
yo'
@Johannes_B that's cynical. :D
 
@yo' I watched another one of the same station, somebody walking around and showing the rooms and stuff. One of the guys down there wore shorts.
@yo' Sweating at the south pole? That's cynical ;-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B :D (don't ask me what I wear just now...)
 
@yo' The same as a news presenter? No trousers? ;-)
 
yo'
9:43 AM
@Johannes_B only shorts? :D
 
@yo' I bet just as hawaiiyan as your shirts? :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B ummmm ... may I decided not to comment on this? :D
 
@yo' :-)
 
9:59 AM
@yo' Not sure that would help, especially now I’m actually in Sweden. Speak later.
 
yo'
@ArthurReutenauer later!
 
10:36 AM
@JosephWright I am not fast enough. :( Working on it.
 
@PauloCereda I hope you like my attempt: the functionality is useful
@PauloCereda Might yet need to allow for commas in the engine option
 
yo'
@PauloCereda hello, pal! :)
 
@JosephWright I will work on it. :)
@yo' Hi Tom! <3
 
yo'
oh my! I forgot I got tha PA on and the beep almost killed me! :D
 
@PauloCereda I know what I need to do there: parsing at the argparse stage then allow for a table rather than a single name in the internals
 
10:45 AM
@JosephWright It is really implementation-based. :) For example, you could interpret --foo a b c as either foo = a and files b and c, or foo = [ a, b, c ]. Then things become more or less positional. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well yes but I'm pretty clear on this :-) We'd need --engine=a,b,c/--engine a,b,c/-ea,b,c, i.e. exactly one argument to be subdivided by commas
 
@JosephWright Got it. :)
@Joseph: I have something on my mind (surprisingly not ducks), so hopefully I can write something by the end of this weekend. I am also about in the verge of ordering me a new laptop.
 
11:16 AM
@JosephWright: A l3key name can't be something with a space in between, I assume, unlike in pgfkeys?
 
@ChristianHupfer Indeed, no spaces :-)
@ChristianHupfer See how siunitx does things
 
@JosephWright Bad design :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer No
@ChristianHupfer You can put spaces in if you like: they'll be ignored
 
@JosephWright I know that expl3 ignores spaces, but for the keys it would be nice to have them. Well, I can cope without them
 
@ChristianHupfer Reason: try using pgfplots and remembering which ones have spaces and which don't
@ChristianHupfer No, I mean they are stripped out actively, so ever if you add some in at the user level they'll be dropped: x label = xlabel
@ChristianHupfer Use hyphens
 
11:25 AM
@JosephWright or German. :) They have compound words for everything. :)
 
@PauloCereda You will be attacked with a banana for such disrespectful words :-D
 
@ChristianHupfer Oh no! :)
Even that, I suspect there's a big word to describe that. :)
 
@JosephWright Yes, that's an alternative
 
@ChristianHupfer Like I say, spaces are ignored so it's more that they'll be equivalent than you can't put spaces in
 
\keys_define:nn{ducktex}{
make-paulo-shutup .bool_gset:c={\g_paulo_is_quiet}
}
@PauloCereda: You should use this key in DuckTeX :-P
@JosephWright Thanks
 
yo'
11:38 AM
@ChristianHupfer I use either dots or hyphens and I'm more than happy
 
@yo' Yes, dots would do of course as well. I am buidding an interface at the moment (still learning expl3 of course) and the interface is currently designed for German speaking users (i.e. German key names), so the . is rather unusual then. - will do perfectly
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer ok :-)
 
@yo' But I'll keep in mind when I am doing the Czech version :D
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer I do not think this depends on the language. It is a programming interface, isn't it?!
 
@yo' It's something in between, actually it's not really settled at the moment. Perhaps I should use xtemplate even, but at the current level of my expl3 knowledge (something between 0 and \varepsilon ;-)) I should keep away from xtemplate
 
11:46 AM
@ChristianHupfer Your call, but LaTeX is written like most computer languages in US English
@ChristianHupfer No, don't use xtemplate
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer I don't believe there is anything like "in between". The fact that beamer or tikz/pgf use spaces in their names doesn't make them less "programming interfaces". It's actually a miserable choice, from the current perspective. There's nothing good it brings, IMHO.
 
@JosephWright The problem is: It's designed for German math teachers and many of them say: I would use LaTeX if the names of the surrounding document structures would be German, but I can't remember those names etc, blabla and I've to look up all the time.
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer oh what a non-sense! (sorry, I don't mean it bad). I'm 100% sure I wouldn't remember \začátek{výčet} better than \begin{enumerate}.
 
@JosephWright: But I agree, that having German key or command names wouldn't transfer \begin{document} to German
 
@ChristianHupfer /sob
 
11:52 AM
@yo' No, no, I never meant to replace the basic command names ...
 
@ChristianHupfer @JosephWright Noted that as well. Some people don't seem to be able ro recall simple words like figure or chapter or label.
 
@Johannes_B \inhaltsverzeichnis :D I've seen such stuff a lot of times
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer so you mean \název rather than \title? Much better indeed :D
And as a side note: I started learning LaTeX much before I considered my level of English anywhere near satisfactory.
 
@yo' That's no Czech word -- too much vowels in it :D
 
@ChristianHupfer I really think that a lot of users are not able to see, that tableofcontents is a plain english word translating to Inhaltsverzeichnis. At least i have seen a few.
@yo' For german umlauts, we can do ö -> oe, i.e. Böttcher -> Boettcher if needed. How would that work in czech with á? or french.
 
11:56 AM
@yo' That's you yo', not the average German teacher which might have been some problems with English
 
yo'
@Johannes_B no, it doesn't work. We simply drop the diacritics when needed
 
@PauloCereda <3 <3 <3 <3
 
@yo' I hope there is no confusion arising from that? With diacritic chocolate cake, without dog poo.
 
@Johannes_B Umlauts are a bit different as it does actually represent an e in the first place :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B indeed there can be a lot of confusion!
 
11:59 AM
@JosephWright Yes, i actually like the little e to denote umlauts in some stages of Fraktur and Schwabacher.
 
@ChristianHupfer <3
 
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@ChristianHupfer awww <3
 
28C
 
@Johannes_B Your room number ? ;-)
 
yo'
12:05 PM
@Johannes_B 32C inside, 36C outside
 
@yo' The internet states its 29C outside. Reaching to equilibrium :-)
 
yo'
@Johannes_B I hope I won't reach to equilibrium sooner than at 8pm
 
@yo' Heat flows from greater reservoir to the smaller, cooler one ... Let's see what happens :-P
 
yo'
well, so far my balcony was in shade, so it made sense to put a wet bedsheet in the door and keep the door open. I think it's just about the time to close the door :D
 
25°C in here, 31°C outside, almost 7°C cooler than yesterday, but we're hoping for a thunderstorm tomorrow, blasting away this heat and filling up the brooks etc. at least a little bit
 
yo'
12:11 PM
@ChristianHupfer blasting away the heat? Have you seen the 7-day forcast for CE?
 
@yo' For my region it predicts 30°C for the next days, still too much, but better than 38°C etc, so I would call this blasting away the heat (Well, somehow)
I hate summer
 
yo'
google.cz/… << not good .... baaaad
 
@yo' Ooops, not really inviting trip to prague
 
yo'
@ChristianHupfer indeed
 
@yo' Sheets are just soaking with water. Will try that in a few minutes.
 
12:22 PM
@Johannes_B Don't you know this old trick? That's how we survived the 3 months heat period in 2003, when there was not a single drop of rain and basically everyday with 35°C and more
 
@ChristianHupfer I hoped it would rain today. But no.
 
yo'
@Johannes_B the humidity is extremely low, so letting sheets dry doesn't cause the air to get too wet, but it helps to cool it down. You can at least keep some ventilation.
 
@ChristianHupfer Yes, i did. But my washed cloths didn't make any impact on room temperature.
@ChristianHupfer Read about this today. Thousands of heat victims in france.
 
12:35 PM
When did I end up as the Lua programmer on the LaTeX team?
 
@JosephWright When you started l3build. :)
 
@PauloCereda Seems that way
 
@JosephWright I'm here to help. :)
 
12:48 PM
@JosephWright: Can I use \cs_gset:ABC as a \renewcommand or is some misuse of the design? (ABC stands for some of the usual specifiers of course ;-))
 
@ChristianHupfer @yo' I know have a wet sheet hanging right behind me. Either is imagination, or there really is a very soft breeze cooling me down.
 
@JosephWright Seriously, though: I will help you. :)
 
@ChristianHupfer No, just new and set
 
yo'
@Johannes_B there is. It's slightly wetter and much colder :-)
 
@JosephWright new will report of course an error if the sequence is already defined and set is restricted to the current group level. If I need a global redefinition I've to use gset then, or am I completely off the right path?
@JosephWright: Forget my last comment ... \cs_set does it ;-)
@PauloCereda: You should not buy my new expl3 - designed package -- it's scratched :D
 
12:55 PM
@ChristianHupfer I think you mean youshouldnotbuymynewexpl3-designed package--it's scratched. :)
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@JosephWright: I put it to you and the other guys of the expl3 team that you published a package and TeX format just to confuse people :D
@JosephWright: No honestly, there's something to learn for me, but what've learned so far is pretty cool !!! I estimate it
 
@Johannes_B -- the wet sheet technique works great in the desert or other places with low humidity. when we got home, the weather here was very similar to that in darmstadt -- very warm and very humid. that "broke" on wednesday morning with a rip-snorter of a storm, which included high winds, maybe a small tornado, and cut electrical power to nearly 80% of rhode island; some people didn't get power back until last night, and i think there are a few who are still waiting.
 
@barbarabeeton Power failures are very rare around here. Not in our library, though :-(
 
when i want to feel better about the weather in providence, here's where i look: mountwashington.org/experience-the-weather/… -- no matter how bad the weather is here, it's almost always worse on mt. washington. (especially in the winter.)
 
1:29 PM
Some users are ...
I have used it and I accept this answer. Since there is no obvious way in which I can show I am writing it down. — user2714795 10 mins ago
 
1:48 PM
@Johannes_B Power failures in the library? And you are the janitor? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer No, i am not. :-) 5 or 6 failures within this year alone. Don't tell me this is usual.
@ChristianHupfer Leberwurst und Himbeermarmelade.
 
2:09 PM
@Johannes_B \begin{würg}...
 
@ChristianHupfer You aren't a brave man, sir.
:-p
 
@Johannes_B I hate Leberwurst
 
@ChristianHupfer Leberwurst is one of the most important things in my life :-p
 
@Johannes_B Because of the liver in it? :D
 
@ChristianHupfer Nicht nur. Da ist auch Schweinekopf drin. ;-)
 
2:21 PM
@Johannes_B Mensch, Schweinekopf, jetzt wo Du dieses Geheimnis verrätst, bin ich natürlich hin und hergerissen...
@Johannes_B Nein Schweinekopf überzeugt mich nicht so wirklich ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer somebody has to eat the delicious stuff.
 
Ich besorge das Bier.
 
@PauloCereda Das Bier! Gut ;-)
@PauloCereda Do you want sausages with parts of pig heads in it? Ask @Johannes_B He will sent you a package to Brazil for free :D ... Das Schweinekopf
 
@ChristianHupfer I don't think this is allowed by EU-law.
 
@Johannes_B Not even the EU cares about its laws ... You must declare it as something different ;-) Important medicine for a starving lad in Brazil ;-) @PauloCereda
 
2:33 PM
o.O
 
@ChristianHupfer @Paulo is not starving, he has lasagna :-)
 
@Johannes_B Everyday lasagna? @PauloCereda
 
@ChristianHupfer I have Pringles. :)
 
@PauloCereda Yay, Pringles!!!!
 
@ChristianHupfer Das Pringleskartofel! :)
 
2:36 PM
@Johannes_B: Yesterday, I cooked chicken filet with Indian Curry-Yogurt crust ... delicious, very tasty, very 'hot', with a lot of Garam masala, Curcuma, Chili and ginger ... served with rice
 
@PauloCereda Pringles are harvest directly from the Pringles Tree -- everybody who claims something different is a liar ;-)
 
Chat will be moving to Colorado in a few minutes you may experience a brief outage. We will keep you posted when we are complete. WHAT
@ChristianHupfer yaaay I am learning!
 
Oh no ... no chat for few minutes ... Ok, I will complete all my incomplete packages in this time
 
@ChristianHupfer finish xor
 
2:47 PM
TeX.SX is very inactive today...
@DavidCarlisle No, that's your job :D
Now TeX.SX is even down :-(
 
@ChristianHupfer I'm on holiday
 
@Johannes_B: Just checked the invitation for the Dante Herbsttagung in a few weeks in Graz. Travelling by train it would take almost 12 hours :-( and by car at least 8 hours.
 
@ChristianHupfer I won't attend.
 
3:04 PM
@Johannes_B Me neither ... it's just to far away for one single day's travel and I can't prolongue for 'vacation' neither
 
@JosephWright @barbarabeeton Do you know what he means? latex-community.org/forum/…
 
3:43 PM
I changed my Minecraft language to German. The fun has begun.
 
@PauloCereda Eisenspitzhacke :-p
 
@Johannes_B EXACTLY! <3
 
@PauloCereda: Never played it... Gold schürfen? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
0
Q: Contacting Tex package author Martin Scharrer (site down) about a package bug

Bastien RoucarièsOne of his package has a bug (see Usage of library advnodes of the tikz-timing package causes "Undefined control sequence"-error) But his website is down and I could not send him a mail. Bastien

:D :D
 
3:57 PM
@ChristianHupfer Where in the world is Carmen Sandiego Martin? :)
 
@PauloCereda Martin is our '\phantommoderator' :D Or an urban legend ...
 
@ChristianHupfer obvious solution, apply "cabinet responsibility" and blame @JosephWright for the package bug.
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@DavidCarlisle You're pretty much online here on TeX.SX considering the fact you're on vacation :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer apparently other countries than England have the internet. Who would have guessed?
 
@DavidCarlisle LOL
 
4:05 PM
Hi all!
 
@DavidCarlisle: Last year you've been in Austria, if I remember correctly. Now you're in ...?
 
@DavidCarlisle I was supposed to be the Lua supporter for the L3 team. :P
@1010011010 Hi"
 
@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle is in Wales or in Scotland ... other countries :D
 
Has the spurious white space from the adjustwidth environment been fixed yet? Or how should I go about fixing it? See my question at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/244396/…
 
@1010011010 Hi!
 
4:09 PM
@1010011010 Did you check the package version since then? Apparently it hasn't been fixed, the latest version of changepage is from 2009/10/20`
 
@ChristianHupfer same (well different place, but same country, most years seem to end up back in the alps)
 
@DavidCarlisle I like particularly the Dachstein region, with its ice caves and lakes, salt mines
 
@1010011010 looked more like bad input than a package bug (just looking at the input an d egreg's comments) not actually run the code.
@ChristianHupfer It's a good country for me to visit as I'm fluent in German, as I'm sure you know.
 
@DavidCarlisle Do I know? But sometimes it's hard to understand the Austrians ... Well, they wouldn't understand me too when I talk in my regional idiom
 
@ChristianHupfer Ich bin fließend in allen Sprachen, ich habe google translate auf meinem Handy.
 
4:17 PM
@DavidCarlisle :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle That's only the words, but not the sounds of the words :D Google translator is easy
 
@JosephWright any thoughts on what [2014/01/01]{latexrelease} should do with the lua code?
 
@JosephWright Since now I am the new official but not announced yet maintainer of you-know-what I will start helping you maintain l3build. :)
 
@PauloCereda Indeed
@PauloCereda More changes to l3build to make later on (tea soon)
@DavidCarlisle Leave alone: the interfaces stay the same, etc.
Anyone else done the GitHub 'tools' survey?
 
@PauloCereda hail to the new maintainer of only-you-know-what
 
4:30 PM
@JosephWright yes that's what I thought, although the interfaces only the same if you load luatexbase, in a 2014 (or 15) document you could (and people probably did) access callbacks directly without (or before) loading luatexbase
 
@DavidCarlisle Other than needing to check that format mode is OK we should be fine (the business about the .ini file doing normalisation of spaces-in-filenames)
 
@JosephWright hm?
@ChristianHupfer Joseph and David know. :)
 
@PauloCereda I logged in to GitHub and there was a survey they were asking about
 
@JosephWright No one is asking me about. :(
 
Sadly TeX was not listed as a language
@PauloCereda Log out and in again and clear your cookies (I had my reasons)
 
4:32 PM
@JosephWright ? I mean things like github.com/davidcarlisle/dpc-inputenc-tests which will fail in a new format as it uses callback.register directly, so that will fail in 2016 and [2014/01/01]{latexrelease} currently won't enable it
 
@JosephWright You ate all the cookies! :)
 
@PauloCereda Black Forest Cookies to comfort you?
 
@ChristianHupfer Beware for @JosephWright will steal my cookies. :)
 
@PauloCereda Noted: No cookies for @JosephWright ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Or a big amount for him. :)
 
4:37 PM
@PauloCereda: \setcounter{cookiesforpaulo}{100}
 
@AlanMunn awwwwww <3
 
@AlanMunn: Cool
 
@AlanMunn put a chip fryer at the bottom and you'd get an automatic crispy fried chicken machine. (or duck, even)
 
@AlanMunn: Some of the baby ducks need to be encouraged to slide down...
 
4:41 PM
@DavidCarlisle Yeah, that was my first thought: kind of like the fish tanks in some Chinese restaurants.
 
@AlanMunn we could get @PauloCereda to finalise the design.
 
@DavidCarlisle People know the LuaTeX situation is not as stable as other engines: the engine itself has changed
 
@DavidCarlisle @AlanMunn Shame on you ...
 
@David, @Alan: you guys are mean.
 
@JosephWright OK with me (and the only package I can find that actually breaks is mine:-)
 
4:44 PM
@PauloCereda Honestly, since I 'know' you I've never eaten duck again in a Chinese restaurant
 
@PauloCereda Well I'm posting this video in penance for having run over some ducklings a couple of weeks ago. Some mother duck decided it was a smart idea to march her brood across two lanes of 130kph highway traffic.
 
@AlanMunn Oh my.
 
Have to go... have a nice time...
 
hello
I have a question about \@p, \@z \@ne and such command defined by LaTeX in order to "keep token"
 
@Maïeul Don't ask if you can ask ;-)
 
4:52 PM
what is the interressest of such command ? why is so important to "keep token"
(@Joseph : it was not a ask for ask, just an introduction
 
@Maïeul None today
@Maïeul In 1994 there was a lot less space
 
ok, it is because of limited memory of computer?
 
@Maïeul Yes
 
so it I write a package today, it doesn't matter to use normal of "cabalistik" form
?
 
@Johannes_B -- i had a look at this a day or two ago, and made some comments here. (i don't have a login on the latex community forum; someday, when i've got more time.) i believe he's trying to produce a document that looks like it was set with metal type. he has no concept of kerning with metal type. some good illustrations here: google.com/…
 
4:55 PM
@Maïeul there is an answer with some timings....
 
because all these @pt @ne @z for a no english reader is very cabalistik for none english reader
it will be slower ?
 
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A: What does \z@ do?

David Carlislelatex.ltx says \newdimen\z@ \z@=0pt % can be used both for 0pt and 0 so as it says it is short (and efficient) way of getting 0. You should always have a copy of the latex source file latex.ltx in a text editor window while reading package code:-), or perhaps, if you prefer, the typeset versi...

@Maïeul yes
 
ok
 
@Maïeul but possibly not by an amount that you care about unless you are in an inner loop of code that will run tens of thousands of times per document
 
thanks for timing
ok.
I will try to use the "cabalistik" form, as it should also optimize computer energy and so on ("green coding")
and you confirm that using \csname \endcsname is very ressource consumer? so I should avoid it if possible?
 
yo'
5:00 PM
@Maïeul optimizing your code will take more human resources and more computer power (spent on your text editor, failed test etc.) than you save by using the optimized form :-)
@Maïeul you shouldn't care about it unless you're in a very limited environment!
 
@yo' I don't say come back to my old code, but for newest
 
@Maïeul hard to answer that. If you need csname tex doesn't offer anything with similar functionality
 
@Johannes_B (cont'd) there are/were very thin shims (usually copper) used between letters, but that's usually considered letterspacing, not kerning. there's still one question i think is relevant, but i don't know the answer. are the sidebearings of digital glyphs set to be essentially the same as they would have been in metal? i'd guess yes, but i think it would depend on the designer. (i know someone i can ask if it comes to that.)
 
David yes, but I have an example of old code which use it when it does not need
and as it is in the insertion of critical notes, it is used many time
 
@DavidCarlisle It only seems to happen when \clearpage or issued after the environment ends. That seems far off bad input to me, but who am I to decide?
 
5:06 PM
@Maïeul well \csname foo\endcsname is 5 tokens that could be written as \foo which is one, but any use of csname that is clearly not redundant is probably hard to write without using \csname
 
yo'
@DavidCarlisle clearly not redundant? ...
 
@yo' ?
@1010011010 I have forgotten what the code was now, but if I recall you had section heading wrapped in adjustwidth?
 
@DavidCarlisle No, the other way around. I have adjustwidth wrapped in section (which I very very strongly edited, I might add). You suspect it's the old "there's no text after the heading"-spurious space?
 
@DavidCarlisle in my case I have \csname foo#1\endcsname
BUT this refer to something which can be deduced by the englobant macro
 
yo'
5:09 PM
@Maïeul there's hardly a way that would be more efficient, unless #1 never changes.
 
ok, let me explain
I have a command which make
\let\fooA=\xx
\let\barA=\yy
but in \xx
I have \csname bar#1\endcsname
I i know (but an other way) the #1 is A
and that \fooA=\xx is ALWAY called in the same time as \barA=yy
so this \csname bar#1\endcsname could refer ONLY to \yy
 
Hi everyone. Is there anyone around who could explain to me why with BibTeX, you need to do latex, bibtex, latex, and latex, whereas (I think) with biblatex and Biber, you only need to do latex, biber, latex (i.e., you don't need a third call to latex)?
 
I am not sur you don't need. that depends which style you use
I don't know bibtex, but with biber you could need a third run, for example if you use style where citation are in footnote
inserting citation will perturbe the toc
 
@barbarabeeton I wrote something.
 
@AdamLiter Yes :-)
 
5:21 PM
@AdamLiter As @Maïeul says, you steel need extra LaTeX runs to get cross-references right.
 
@Maïeul I think in the case of BibTeX, the third call to latex is needed in order to deal with any crossreferences that have changed. But that makes about biblatex!
 
@AdamLiter biblatex loads the references in one go in the preamble, so it can set up all of the numbering before the document starts
 
@Johannes_B Ah, okay. So basically the same as BibTeX, then? If crossreferences change, you still need the third call?
 
I think
 
@JosephWright Oh, so crossreferences are fine, then, even without a third call to latex?
 
5:23 PM
@AdamLiter Yes, as they are all resolved in the second run
 
hum, page break could change by inserting reference, anyway?
 
@JosephWright But there are some use cases (such as the ones that @Maïeul was mentioning) where you will need a third call to latex with biblatex/Biber?
 
so for toc?
 
@JosephWright Back-references as well?
 
in my case, I let latexmk do all the things :p
 
5:25 PM
@JosephWright I would say rather save than sorry, then to say a third run is not needed.
 
@JosephWright And is this true if you use BibTeX as the backend, too? Or just with Biber?
 
@AdamLiter Certainly this is possibe
 
@Johannes_B -- i'd adjust that a bit ... don knuth started developing tex because phototypesetting didn't produce the quality of the old metal monotype composition, and monotype was going extinct.
 
@Johannes_B You can't a priori say exactly how many runs are needed
@Johannes_B biblatex will tell you if another run is needed
 
@JosephWright Exactly.
 
5:25 PM
@AdamLiter Nothing to do with the back end
 
@barbarabeeton Adjusting, one moment.
 
@Johannes_B But that means also that even LaTeX/BibTeX/LaTeX/LaTeX is not guaranteed to be right: it's the 'standard' recipe for the 'usual' case. For biblatex, the same situation is LaTeX/BibTeX/LaTeX
 
Cool, thanks @JosephWright @Johannes_B and @Maïeul
I appreciate it! :)
I'm writing up a handout/document/thing that's sort of an intro to LaTeX aimed at linguists, and I want to make sure that I don't say anything wrong. :p
 
@1010011010 no just didn't look that carefully but there was too much "other code" in teh example to suspect a package bug without more evidence:-)
 
@JosephWright Wording would be better At least <chain> needed, as it is usually written.
 
5:28 PM
Adam Liter : I should recommand you to refers to latexmk, it simplier
@AdamLiter could you send me a mail when you will do it? as you know maybe, I am interessted in LaTeX for humanities, and could use some of your doc for next version of my book
 
@Maïeul Though i think you are right, knowing how to do the chain on the command line is certainly needed for a basic understanding. After all, latexmk has limits.
 
@Maïeul Yes, I was planning on mentioning that (and of course arara, too <3 ). But I also want to explain why you have to do certain things, so that people understand what is going on.
 
Johannes_B : I think you must 1) first explain the way it's working 2) then let latexmk
 
@Maïeul You can see it at github.com/adamliter/latex-workshop
 
@Maïeul Agreed.
 
5:30 PM
You're welcome to use it. I'm currently in the process of finishing up the section on bibliographies.
 
yo'
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A: Why does Latex/Bibtex need three passes to clear up all warnings?

yo'The reason is as follows: At the first latex run, all \cite{...} arguments are written in the file document.aux. At the bibtex run, this information is taken by bibtex and the relevant entries are put into the .bbl file, sorted either alphabetically or by citation order (sometimes called "unsor...

 
yes Johannes and Adam, we are agreed
 
@barbarabeeton Adjusted, cited directly and linked here.
 
Thanks @yo' :)
 
yo'
> Put the file leipzig-mod.sty in either the same directory as latex-workshop-for-linguists.tex or in texmf/tex/generic.
^^ this doesn't look right to me.
 
5:32 PM
@barbarabeeton The italic word modern meant to be modern at the time. Thinking about it, the wording really wasn't clear.
 
@AdamLiter I do my own pub github.com/maieul/latexhumain. It is in french, but translation are welcom
 
yo'
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A: Where do I place my own .sty or .cls files, to make them available to all my .tex files?

Stefan KottwitzYou could create a folder below your TeX home directory and put your .sty file therein. Use this command at the command prompt to find out where: kpsewhich -var-value=TEXMFHOME On my computer it shows C:/Users/stefan/texmf but it might also be ~/texmf/ on a Linux or Unix computer. Followin...

 
@yo' There's a bug in the package. I've tried contacting the maintainer about it, but I haven't gotten a response.
@yo' It's a really nice package, though, other than that bug.
 
yo'
@AdamLiter I don't know the package, I just know that TEXMF/tex/generic is not the place where it should go.
 
@yo' Ah, I see. I thought TEXMF/tex/generic was for style files that are supposed to be available to all engines? I take it I'm wrong?
 
5:35 PM
Nice (and hot) tour, today: Massa Marittima and San Gimignano (southern Tuscany).
 
@Johannes_B -- looks good now. re "modern", perhaps "contemporary" would have been more appropriate, but since there have been so many changes in the technology since metal "went out" (although i still know several book artists who hand set metal type), i think it's better to be specific.
 
yo'
@AdamLiter AFAIK, it's TEXMF/tex/latex/<mypackagenamehere>, but @egreg may be more experienced in this. I don't even have TeX installed here...
 
@barbarabeeton I was writing a bit in a hurry. Having dinner alone in front of the computer with multiple chat pings and plonks is not really delightful.
@yo' @adam texmf in the home-dir, right?
 
yo'
@Johannes_B TEXMFLOCAL or ~/texmf or whichever
 
@yo' Depends: does it work with plain?
 
yo'
5:38 PM
@JosephWright a .sty file?
 
@yo' Can be
 
@JosephWright @yo' No, I don't think it works with plain. So does that mean that it should not go in generic?
 
yo'
@JosephWright ah well, I haven't thought of that. @Adam has mentioned engines not format, so maybe I'm confused ... ?
 
palladium:generic joseph$ find . -name *.sty | wc -l
     214
 
yo'
@JosephWright oh! :)
@JosephWright nice machine name, btw :)
 
5:39 PM
@JosephWright lol
 
@yo' \input <name>.sty\relax: packages mainly for LaTeX but also usable with plain. Heiko is very keen on this :-
 
@Johannes_B -- well, i'm still munching my lunch in front of a computer. but dinner this evening will be shared with husband at a nice japanese "pub" (well, they serve "bar food", not sushi; a real credit to the local foodie scene).
 
@AdamLiter Either TEXMFLOCAL (requires mktexlsr) or TEXMFHOME.
 
yo'
@JosephWright and you do a format check at the very beginning?
 
@AdamLiter You should change the providespackage line and the copyright notice. If one of the users has problems and posts the listfiles stuff, nobody will know any difference.
 
5:41 PM
@yo' Yes: can be simple or complicated, to taste
 
@JosephWright @yo' So I'm looking a bit more closely at A Directory Structure for TeX Files, and it does look like generic is supposed to mean that it works with plain. Thanks!
@Johannes_B Ah, thanks for the suggestion. I'll do that. :p
 
@AdamLiter btw, you get a rather annoying warning in the terminal about that.
 
@Johannes_B Yeah, I know. I thought I actually had changed it a while ago. But I guess I'm misremembering things. I must just remember thinking that I should change it. :p
 
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@ChristianHupfer Sorry - not sure what this is a reference to?
 
5:58 PM
@AdamLiter Have you ever googled the name "natalie weber"?
 
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