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12:41 PM
Michael: I don't know anyone who could get through the day without two or three juicy rationalizations. They're more important than sex.
Sam Weber: Ah, come on. Nothing's more important than sex.
Michael: Oh yeah? Ever gone a week without a rationalization?
 
New story on the Nose: The Paradox of Sustenance. Stay tuned: Matt Ellen will have one out later this week.
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12:59 PM
@medica and another hour gone! Cats and dogs are funny as long as they don't eat each other.
 
@Mitch Were you bitten!? Strip! Prove you weren't bitten.
 
@JarvistheBot You're weird. You're just using your fear of spiders as a way to make me cold and vulnerable.
 
1:19 PM
@AndrewLeach Yes.
@Kit Wasn’t it you who said that Mr Foresight should get himself OED access to save us all a lot of grief, given how much he’s clearly spent on law books? :)
 
Hello, what's the right tense to use in this sentence?
"from the 9th to the 15th (current month) I have been visiting my parents"
 
@tchrist Wasn't me. I think Mr. Shiny.
 
Ah.
 
@JessStone more context please
 
@JessStone You mean you have been or you will be?
 
1:29 PM
I have been
 
I visited my parents from the 9th to the 15th.
 
It’s no longer the 15th.
So you cannot use present tense.
 
why should i not use 'have been visiting'?
 
You'd use have been visiting only if you were in the middle of doing it.
 
Because it is present tense and the event is in the past.
 
1:29 PM
but it's an action that has been performed during a span of time
a period of time
 
So?
 
I have been visiting my parents since the 9th.
If you are still there. Otherwise, the action is completed.
 
ok
so since it's done
ok
 
Yes.
 
so neither "I have visited "is good
 
1:31 PM
You could probably make it work, but visited is the most straightforward way of saying it.
 
could you just give
2 mins ago, by skullpatrol
@JessStone more context please
and make the question clear
 
the action stopped on 15th. i went to my visit my parents on the 9th. the visit ended on the 15th.
so i want to say that i visited them from 9 to 15
 
What's pirate English for "system status"?
 
@JessStone That's exactly right. "I visited them from 9th to 15th."
 
@AndrewLeach Although we’d add definite articles there.
 
1:34 PM
Speaking, yes. Writing, not sure.
 
BrEng typically omits them in writing because it recognizes that “everyone knows” to put them in when speaking.
Whereas AmE typically puts them in where we would say them.
 
@MattЭллен Um. Um.
 
write what you say and vice versa
"I visited them from the 9th to the 15th."
 
Sure.
 
reads better for me
 
1:38 PM
Yes, that’s what anyone would say.
 
articles are crucial in writing math
 
Articles are nice, but papers in refereed journals probably count for more. :)
!!wiki Mount Fuji
 
Mount Fuji (富士山, Fujisan, IPA: [ɸɯꜜdʑisaɴ] ( )), located on Honshu Island, is the highest mountain in Japan at 3,776.24 m (12,389 ft). An active stratovolcano that last erupted in 1707–08, Mount Fuji lies about 100 kilometres (60 mi) south-west of Tokyo, and can be seen from there on a clear day. Mount Fuji's exceptionally symmetrical cone, which is snow-capped several months a year, is a well-known symbol of Japan and it is frequently depicted in art and photographs, as well as visited by sightseers and climbers. It is one of Japan's "Three Holy Mountains" (三霊山, Sanreizan) along with Mount Tate...
 
Well, it’s getting better.
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A: Numbers mysteriously stripped from inlined Wikipedia articles in chat

balphaYes, the Wikipedia oneboxes only do a very simple stripping of the content returned from Wikipedia's API. To show the full content, we'd need a full Wikitext parser and all of Wikipedia's templates. Considering that the current handling works fine in most cases, and that you'd read the actual art...

 
> Here is the according code from the example page that creates 3 applets
Don'tcha just love NNS documentation?
 
1:43 PM
EEsh.
unEnglish.
 
This guy's API is going to be a challenge.
 
Been there.
 
Any guess what "according code" might mean?
 
It does that clever vertical-expansion thing.
 
They just fixed this. Finally.
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Q: Wikipedia onebox is dropping random text

Mechanical snailRandom text is getting dropped from Wikipedia oneboxes. See this example. Screenshot: This occurs regardless of HTTP/HTTPS and of whether a redirect URL is entered into chat. I initially thought the bug is triggered by <span>s or other HTML formatting elements, but in the Burj Khalifa article...

@Robusto Corresponding code?
 
1:50 PM
Accompanying code?
 
Mount Fuji (富士山, Fujisan, IPA: [ɸɯꜜdʑisaɴ] ( )), located on Honshu Island, is the highest mountain in Japan at 3,776.24 m (12,389 ft). An active stratovolcano that last erupted in 1707–08, Mount Fuji lies about 100 kilometres (60 mi) south-west of Tokyo, and can be seen from there on a clear day. Mount Fuji's exceptionally symmetrical cone, which is snow-capped several months a year, is a well-known symbol of Japan and it is frequently depicted in art and photographs, as well as visited by sightseers and climbers. It is one of Japan's "Three Holy Mountains" (三霊山, Sanreizan) along with Mount Tate...
It seems to be mostly fixed!
 
@Cerberus Well, for that article. Give it something hard.
 
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Q: Where do we stand on legalese questions?

Matt ЭлленRecently there have been a lot of questions about legalese. Here are a couple of examples: 'cite' vs 'cite to' What is subrogation? These have been closed as off topic, with such comments as: This question appears to be off-topic because it is about legal practice, rather than the English...

 
@Robusto This is one of the articles mentioned in the actual question. And Badp's answer says they fixed it just now.
 
Please add your opinions!
 
1:54 PM
@Cerberus I know! So it's a softball test.
@MattЭллен What if one's opinions are not summable?
 
A softball test?
 
U and non-U English usage, with "U" standing for "upper class", and "non-U" representing the aspiring middle classes, was part of the terminology of popular discourse of social dialects (sociolects) in Britain in the 1950s. The debate did not concern itself with the speech of the working classes, who in many instances used the same words as the upper classes. For this reason, the different vocabularies often can appear quite counter-intuitive: the middle classes prefer "fancy" or fashionable words, even neologisms and often euphemisms, in attempts to make themselves sound more refined, while the...
 
@Cerberus I.e., too easy. Not an exhaustive test of the system.
 
OK, sure.
But at least something has been done.
 
It no longer spews tables at us.
 
1:55 PM
Ah, yes, that's pretty good.
 
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Q: Incorrect oneboxing for Wikipedia page

NagaJolokiaThis Wikipedia page is not displaying properly when oneboxed in chat:

 
@tchrist By the way, gnô- is the stem, -thi the imperative 2nd person singular, as you probably guessed. The verb using a root aorist, this is how you make the aorist imperative.
 
@Robusto divide by zero and add the result to i
 
Boulder is the county seat and most populous city of Boulder County and the 11th most populous city in the U.S. state of Colorado. Boulder is located at the base of the foothills of the Rocky Mountains at an elevation of 5,430 feet (1,655 m). The city is 25 miles (40 km) northwest of Denver. The United States Census Bureau reported that in 2010 the population of Boulder was 97,385, while the population of the Boulder Metropolitan Statistical Area was 294,567. Boulder is famous for its colorful Western history, being a choice destination for hippies in the late 1960s, and as home of the main campus...
 
@tchrist not far from where i grew up
 
1:57 PM
Hello! He lives there!
 
I live around boulders, lol.
 
@AndrewLeach thanks
 
@Cerberus so i gathered. it seems like the sort of place where @tchrist would live.
 
Indeed!
The landscape looks great.
 
@KitFox very enjoyable!
 
1:59 PM
@tchrist thanks
 
@tchrist I prefer the articles.
 
I kind of like the cognitive dissonance that "harmony of tenses" invokes.
 
Note that the precipitation figures are mere averages, not extremes.
 
@Robusto Does it?
I kind of like the cognitive dissonance your statement invokes.
 
Cognitive dissonance is too deep for me.
 
2:06 PM
@Cerberus Well, if you go beyond the single meaning you're considering, you realize that it becomes a contest between harmony and tension.
 
@tchrist That looks like a land climate.
 
!!wiki Cognitive dissonance
 
In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the excessive mental stress and discomfort experienced by an individual who (1) holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time or (2) is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values. This stress and discomfort may also arise within an individual who holds a belief and performs a contradictory action or reaction. Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. When inconsistency (dissonance) is experienced, individuals largely becom...
 
@Robusto Ah, as in music?
 
For one example, yes.
 
2:07 PM
@Cerberus Most people live on the land.
Few up in the air or under the sea.
 
Conversely, most people don't live off the land.
 
I am on the 16th floor, so I am up in the air, lol.
 
I am on the ground floor, so I'm down to earth
 
This is not improving:
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Q: How does 'according as' = 'Depending on whether'?

LePressentimentI brook/endure and am NOT asking about the definition: 'according as' = 'Depending on whether' Instead, I'd like to learn how to analyse/anatomize/parse/unravel "according as" to determine/deduce this definition (on the right-hand side)? Please explain the steps or thought processes? It wa...

He swapped in brook/endure where he had had brook.
What is he talking about?
 
@tchrist Millions.
Lobotomy (Greek: λοβός lobos "lobe (of brain)"; τομή tomē "cut, slice") is a neurosurgical procedure, a form of psychosurgery, also known as a leukotomy or leucotomy (from the Greek λευκός leukos "clear, white" and tome). It consists of cutting or scraping away most of the connections to and from the prefrontal cortex, the anterior part of the frontal lobes of the brain. The procedure, controversial from its inception, was a mainstream procedure for more than two decades, prescribed for psychiatric (and occasionally other) conditions, despite general recognition of frequent and serious side effects...
Still the wrong image.
 
2:10 PM
@Cerberus Hobbits don’t like three-storey skyscrapers, nor swimming for that matter.
 
@Cerberus Haha, I was thinking of going for a lobotomy.
 
@Cerberus But a pretty one. That looks to be a Painted Lady to my eye.
I’d rather have a picture of a Painted Lady in front of me than . . . .
 
Than that.
 
@skullpatrol That looks like you.
 
2:12 PM
:D
 
@tchrist They have dykes, these days!
Oh, by the way, if you're looking into Wiki one-boxes and have a bit more time, do you think we could do something with the API for returning the best image? I know you don't think it is very urgent (from that old Meta question), but maybe the Wiki API for the image is easy to implement? mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension%3aPageImages It sure would make us dance in exhilaration! — Cerberus 1 min ago
@JasperLoy I'm sure noöne in Singapore still does that operation. Singapore is among the most medically advanced places in the world, so I read.
 
@Cerberus OK. I think they have lobotomy in very few countries now. Anyway, I usually think nothing of those statistics.
 
@JasperLoy I don't know of any statistics.
 
@Cerberus I was referring to what you said about "most medically advanced".
 
Lobotomy was always a horrible way of damaging people's brains, often turning them into semi-conscious monkeys.
 
2:16 PM
starring for later retrieval
 
Hey!!
Meanie.
@JasperLoy No stats. Just that S. has great hospitals and medical research.
 
Taken out of context that will be very a bit funny.
 
Every time I see S being up there on some list, it is probably something superficial to me.
 
growls
You're lucky I am too nice to remove that line...
 
I am sick and tired of S, very very sick and tired.
 
2:18 PM
Why?
 
then change it
 
That is hardly possible.
 
I do not like the government, the society and the laws.
Most people seem stupid and evil to me.
 
Actually, on second thoughts, a bookmark will be substantially more useful
 
you are not a prisoner
 
2:19 PM
I hope to get better and leave asap if possible.
 
Don’t make us chase links: show us what you mean. Is “infer with” supposed to mean “determine whether”? Why is dichotomy in parens? What do you not say what book this is from? Why is the citation at the bottom of the posting instead of immediately prior to or immediately following the citation? Stop using "P39" as some foreign abbreviation for “page 39” or “p. 39”. — tchrist 41 secs ago
 
just leave
 
I guess I could pepper it with a million pleases.
 
@tchrist Wow, you pointed out so many things, lol.
 
He cannot generate a good question to save his life.
 
2:22 PM
@MattЭллен Tsk.
@JasperLoy Not sure other places are much better!
 
@Cerberus At least the laws won't be so restrictive.
 
Don’t make us chase links: show us what you mean. Is infer if supposed to mean determine whether? Why is dichotomy in parens? How come you do not say what book this is from? Why is the citation at the bottom of the posting instead of immediately prior to or immediately following the citation? Stop using "P39" as some foreign abbreviation for “page 39” or “p. 39”. Why is your final sentence just a declarative sentence with a question mark at the end instead of an actual English question with inversion and do-support? — tchrist 26 secs ago
 
@tchrist this is what I am worrying about.
 
@JasperLoy That is true. Which laws bother you in particular?
 
although his life isn't in danger
as far as I know
 
2:24 PM
@Cerberus Well, I would rather not say here, lol.
I just visited magnificentnose.com for the first time.
 
did you have a good time?
 
I had a neutral time. I don't really like reading.
 
even with all your books and the amount of time you spend in chat? That's a surprise
 
My books are mostly math books.
The amount of time I spend in chat shows that I like talking nonsense.
 
a worthy pasttime
 
2:29 PM
@MattЭллен You misspelled pastime.
 
so I did
 
I just saw a Maria, lol.
 
@JasperLoy OK that makes sense.
@JasperLoy OMG they're everywhere!
 
@Cerberus In this chat, shh...
 
Oh...
 
2:32 PM
@Cerberus How was the cake you baked?
 
Great!
It is the lemon tart I always make.
So I know how to make it good.
 
My favourite cake is tiramisu.
 
Hmm that is normally not considered a cake here.
But I guess you could call it a cake.
Do you like lemon tiramisu? I really like that.
 
Never tried before.
 
Zoe
Oh my, I just had tiramisu during a teacher's meeting on saturday.
 
2:34 PM
LePress keeps pinging me to re-open questions. I don't know how many times I have directed him to Meta.
 
Zoe
It made me very high, for some reason. Alcohol has an immediate effect on me, for some reason.
 
@KitFox You should tell him to go to meta and not ping you anymore.
 
@JasperLoy I have repeatedly said so.
 
The one my brother made had limoncello, it was great.
 
2:36 PM
@KitFox It sounds like his memory only lasts 5 seconds. I forgot the name of that condition.
 
@Zoe I believe many people from eastern Asia are more susceptible to the intoxicating/adverse effects of alcohol.
I saw a test on television.
 
Zoe
But I wasn't drunk or tipsy though
 
I don't really like alcohol. Sweet red wine is OK.
 
They showed two east-Asian people who were spinning and sweating after two glasses of beer, they could barely remain in their seats.
 
Zoe
Well, I get high or extremely nonsensical for very little reasons
 
2:37 PM
hi guys
 
Haha.
 
Hello @SeanC. welcome.
 
Hello, Mr Connery.
 
:D
 
Hello @JessStone you look beautiful.
 
2:38 PM
Is this room about language learning?
or free talking?
 
@SeanC. What brings you here?
@SeanC. It is about English and everything else.
 
Free talking. There is a room for learners if you're interested.
 
oh i got it
 

 English Language Learners

A room to talk about English, linguistics, or anything you wan...
 
i prefer free talk :D
 
2:40 PM
chocolate pie bbl
 
I hate chocolate cake.
 
y?
 
It is too sweet.
 
O.o
 
2:42 PM
Lobotomy (Greek: λοβός lobos "lobe (of brain)"; τομή tomē "cut, slice") is a neurosurgical procedure, a form of psychosurgery, also known as a leukotomy or leucotomy (from the Greek λευκός leukos "clear, white" and tome). It consists of cutting or scraping away most of the connections to and from the prefrontal cortex, the anterior part of the frontal lobes of the brain. The procedure, controversial from its inception, was a mainstream procedure for more than two decades, prescribed for psychiatric (and occasionally other) conditions, despite general recognition of frequent and serious side effects...
 
some chocolates are not
 
Yay!!
 
@Cerberus Wow!
 
Balpha has done it again!
 
I like the word LOBOTOMY
 
2:43 PM
I like lobotomies, lol.
 
@Cerberus Huh?
 
is it about cutting a part of your brain?
 
How?
How has he changed the algo?
@JasperLoy Then you’re doing it wrong.
 
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A: Wikipedia Chat One-Boxing doesn't always pick the correct image from the article

balphaUsing svick's tip, I've tried both my old image picking alorithm and Wikipedia's PageImages API side-by-side on a bunch of pages. The API version isn't perfect (see these messages – the first, clearly better, onebox was rendered with the old version, the second one with the PageImages API), but o...

 
Great.
 
2:46 PM
If there is some pattern with the images PageImages chooses incorrectly, it might make sense to report it. — svick 1 min ago
Who remembers a Wiki box from the past that had a really bad image?
 
!!wiki honey badger
 
The honey badger (Mellivora capensis), also known as the ratel (/ˈreɪtəl/ or /ˈrɑːtəl/), is a species of mustelid native to Africa, Southwest Asia, and the Indian Subcontinent. Despite its name, the honey badger does not closely resemble other badger species; instead, it bears more anatomical similarities to weasels. It is classed as Least Concern by the IUCN owing to its extensive range and general environmental adaptations. It is primarily a carnivorous species and has few natural predators because of its thick skin and ferocious defensive abilities. == Etymology == Ratel is an Afrikaans word...
 
nope
no idea
 
Croatia (/kroʊˈeɪʃə/; Croatian: Hrvatska pronounced [xř̩ʋaːtskaː]), officially the Republic of Croatia (Croatian: Republika Hrvatska listen ), is a unitary democratic parliamentary republic at the crossroads of Central Europe, Southeast Europe, and the Mediterranean. Its capital and largest city is Zagreb. The country is divided into 20 counties and the city of Zagreb. Croatia covers 56,594 square kilometres (21,851 square miles) and has diverse, mostly continental and Mediterranean climates. Croatia's Adriatic Sea coast contains more than a thousand islands. The country's population is 4.28 million...
Feb 2 '11 at 10:57, by RegDwight
Croatia ( ; ), officially the Republic of Croatia (Croatian: Republika Hrvatska ), is a country in Central Europe{{cite web|url=http://141.74.33.52/stagn/JordanEuropaRegional/tabid/71/Default.aspx |title=map of European regions according to the UN
 
!!wiki Laura Ramsey
 
2:49 PM
Laura Ramsey (born November 14, 1982) is an American film and television actress. She is best known for her roles as Olivia in 2006's She's the Man, Stacy in the 2008 film The Ruins, Audrey Dawn in the 2009 movie Middle Men, and as Ellie O'Hara in 2011's Kill the Irishman. == Personal life == Ramsey was born in Brandon, Wisconsin. She graduated from Laconia High School in Rosendale, Wisconsin in 2001. == Career == Ramsey was spotted while working in a restaurant on Sunset Boulevard and got an audition the next day, for a role she won - The Real Cancun, a documentary that revolves around the true...
 
The Town of Nederland is a Statutory Town located near Barker Meadow Reservoir in the mountains of southwest Boulder County, Colorado, United States. As of the 2010 census it had a population of 1,445. == History == Nederland was established on November 15, 1885. The town started as a trading post between Ute Indians and European settlers during the 1850s. The town's first economic boom came when minerals such as tungsten, silver, and gold were discovered near Tungsten (east of Nederland), Caribou (northwest of Nederland, 1859), and Eldora (west of Nederland, 1875). Today Nederland is better known...
yesterday, by tchrist
The Town of Nederland is a Statutory Town located near Barker Meadow Reservoir in the mountains of southwest Boulder County, Colorado,
 
@Cerberus Ah, you live in tchrist!
 
@tchrist Is that ^ mountain near my country? It looks like the Matterhorn to me?
@JasperLoy Yes, it is sad.
 
There is a place here called Little India.
 
Is it like Little Italy?
 
2:52 PM
I don't know what Little Italy is, but there are many Indians there.
 
It is a neighbourhood with many Italians in a non-Italian city, such as New York.
 
It's like Chinatown.
 
Colombia (/kəˈlʌmbiə/ kə-LUM-biə, or /kəˈlɒmbiə/ kə-LOM-biə), officially the Republic of Colombia (Spanish: República de Colombia [reˈpuβlika ðe koˈlombja]), is a country situated in the northwest corner of South America, bordered to the northwest by Panama; to the east by Venezuela and Brazil; to the south by Ecuador and Peru; and it shares maritime limits with Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras, Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti. It is a unitary, constitutional republic comprising thirty-two departments. The territory of what is now Colombia was originally inhabited by indigenous peoples including...
Aug 1 '13 at 20:17, by RegDwighт
| ethnic_groups_year = 2005 | demonym = Colombian | government_type = Unitary presidential constitutional republic | leader_title1 = President | leader_name1 = Juan Manuel Santos | leader_title2 = Vice President | leader_name2 = Angelino Garzón | legislature = Congress | upper_house = Senate | lower_house = Chamber of Representatives | sovereignty_type = Independence | established_event1 = Declared | established_date1 = 20 July 1810 | established_event2 = Recognized | established_date2 = 7 August 1819 | established_event3 = | established_date3 = 4 July 1991 | area_rank = 26th | area_m...
 
Ah, very good.
 
Yes.
@JasperLoy Yes, just like Little Italy.
Epistemology (/ɨˌpɪstɨˈmɒlədʒi/ from Greek ἐπιστήμη, epistēmē, meaning "knowledge, understanding", and λόγος, logos, meaning "study of") is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge and is also referred to as "theory of knowledge". It questions what knowledge is and how it can be acquired, and the extent to which knowledge pertinent to any given subject or entity can be acquired. Much of the debate in this field has focused on the philosophical analysis of the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification. The...
Mar 21 '11 at 17:21, by Robusto
:For other uses of Epistemology and Theory of knowledge, see Epistemology (disambiguation) Epistemology () () is the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope (limitations) of knowledge. It addresses the questions: * What is knowledge? * How is knowledge acquired? * How do we know what we know? Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification. It also deals with the means of production of knowledge, as well as skepticism about different knowledge claims. The ...
An article (abbreviated ART) is a word (or prefix or suffix) that is used with a noun to indicate the type of reference being made by the noun. Articles specify grammatical definiteness of the noun, in some languages extending to volume or numerical scope. The articles in the English language are the and a/an, and (in some contexts) some. 'An' and 'a' are modern forms of the Old English 'an', which in Anglian dialects was the number 'one' (compare 'on', in Saxon dialects) and survived into Modern Scots as the number 'ane'. Both 'on' (respelled 'one' by the Normans) and 'an' survived into Modern...
Jan 11 at 13:10, by KitSox
An article (abbreviated ) is a word (or prefix or suffix) that is used with a noun to indicate the type of reference being made by the noun. Articles specify grammatical definiteness of the noun, in some languages extending to volume or numerical scope. The articles in the English language are the and a/an, and (in some contexts) some. 'An' and 'a' are modern forms of the Old English 'an', which in Anglian dialects was the number 'one' (compare 'on', in Saxon dialects) and survived into Modern Scots as the number 'ane'. Both 'on' (respelled 'one' by the Normans) and 'an' survived into M...
Dec 20 '13 at 10:11, by KitSox
|chief2_name = John C. Inglis |chief2_position = |parent_agency = United States Department of Defense |child1_agency = |child2_agency = |website = }} The National Security Agency (NSA) is the main producer and manager of signals intelligence (SIGINT) for the United States. Estimated to be one of the largest of U.S. intelligence organizations in terms of personnel and budget, the NSA operates under the jurisdiction of the Department of Defense and reports to the Director of National Intelligence. The NSA is tasked with the global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation and anal...
 
The National Security Agency (NSA) is a U.S. intelligence agency responsible for global monitoring, collection, decoding, translation and analysis of information and data for foreign intelligence and counterintelligence purposes - a discipline known as Signals intelligence. NSA is also charged with protection of U.S. government communications and information systems against penetration and network warfare. The agency is authorized to accomplish its mission through clandestine means, among which are bugging electronic systems and allegedly engaging in sabotage through subversive software. Originating...
 
how can i post a wikibox?
 
@SeanC. Only works with youtube and wikipedia etc.
 
not wikitionary?
 
No.
 
2:59 PM
ok
 
@SeanC. see help for an exaustive list
 
thx
 
@MattЭллен You misspelled exhaustive.
 

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