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2:20 AM

hi

I used TexWorks to create my CV and I don't know how I can use itemize

I used too XeLatex

if I did :
\begin{itemize}
\item test
\end{itemize}

have an idea ?

it tell me latex error there is no line to end here

Paulo Cereda

2:45 AM

@Gonzalo: I am now en route to home. :) ETA: 1AM. :(

fahdijbeli

3:10 AM

@PauloCereda tacecare :)

wipet

6:04 AM

@egreg This is absolutely not true, sorry. You can do a simple test or you can see the § 392 and 399 in TeX the program. The loop have to be started, the unbalance variable have to be increased and decreased, etc. when the parameter is in braces.

Johannes_B

6:30 AM

@fahdijbeli If you can give us a minimal working example, the chance to help you increases a lot.

Joseph Wright

10:06 AM

Quiet today: everyone gripped by the test match?

Johannes_B

10:26 AM

@JosephWright Reading some recipes. I want to cook something tasty.

Private message: i don't find the subforum.
Do some people read at all?

Paulo Cereda

quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

:)

Johannes_B

quack

Paulo Cereda

@ThomasF.Sturm order is restored to the Universe — David Carlisle 18 hours ago

egreg

10:51 AM

@PauloCereda Let's say that TFS is very generous.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Indeed. :) David needs the points.

David Carlisle

12:14 PM

@fahdijbeli If it tells you there is no line to end you almost certainly have \\ in the wrong place (almost any \\ outside of a table is wrong)

@PauloCereda doesn't seem unduly generous to me

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle :)

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I'm still picking up points today from Stefan's Grandma so I don't need @egreg's hand-me-downs

England: 131-1 (48.0 overs)
India: 457 (161.0 overs)
Venue: Nottingham

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle That's bad, isn't it?

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda yesterday went india's way but looks like we had the upper hand this morning, it's only day 2 so can't really tell at this stage....

@PauloCereda the -1 indicates that one of our batsmen is out: it's the captain, again, and he went for less than 10, again, which probably means he'll be hung drawn and quartered and hung from the ramparts of Nottingham castle after the match, but we could still win:-)

Hanged, drawn and quartered

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eiterorm

12:35 PM

Hello, everyone. I could need some typographical input from you. I'm writing a report with several appendix chapters. Some of these are quite specific. Because the appendices are numerous and some of them veyr specific, I don't think they need a chapter-level TOC entry. Any thoughts?

Could I add a TOC chapter called "Appendices", and have the Appendix chapters instead be section-level TOC entries (while still being chapters for all other intents and purposes)?

Or would that be bad typography?

I just think it looks weird to have so specific (and so many) entries be chapter-level entries (which are top-level entries in the report).

egreg

1:09 PM

@eiterorm I believe there is already a question about this on the site.

Paul Gessler

Indeed, I think this is it, @eiterorm:

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Q: Appendices at section level in TOC

I would like my appendices to appear in TOC at section level instead of at chapter level. Like this: Appendices A My appendix 1 . . . . . . . B My appendix 2 . . . . . . . I've tried with \settocdepth but it does not work. My code: \documentclass[11pt,a4paper]{repo...

egreg

Also this answer of mine

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A: Adding appendix "chapters," without sections, in table of contents

You have to change the value of tocdepth just for the appendices. It's probably not necessary to reset it afterwards, since the appendices are at the end. \documentclass{book} \usepackage[toc,page]{appendix} \begin{document} \tableofcontents \mainmatter \chapter{First Chapter} \section{First ...

eiterorm

Thanks for the links. However, I'd very much like to hear your opinions on the matter.

Would it be bad structure, or bad typography, to do so?

Are my justifications reasonable? Are there better ways to do it?

egreg

@eiterorm I see no real problem about this: it's your choice.

Joseph Wright

2:07 PM

well you have 5 tabs set in \mytabs which can obviously be extended, but tabbing is a pretty useless latex environment so often it's best not to base the markup on tabbing. It is hard to offer any advice given the lack of information in the question. Please always make a complete (small) document that shows what you are trying to do. — David Carlisle 30 mins ago

@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure a certain L. Lamport would agree with tabbing is a pretty useless latex environment :-)

David Carlisle

@JosephWright of course @egreg ignored that and jumped in for an easy 15pts anyway:-)

@JosephWright he might:-)

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle I'm going on the e-mails we had from him a little while ago

David Carlisle

@JosephWright OK I'll amend my comment to "he might be wrong" :-)

Paulo Cereda

Help, I'm addicted to Doctor Who!

David Carlisle

2:11 PM

@PauloCereda try watching some episodes of Blake's 7: should put you off British TV SciFi for life.

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle LOL

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle :-)

Paulo Cereda

Hey, we could have a question like How can I effectively kill orphans? in our Q&A. :)

@DavidCarlisle: tex.stackexchange.com/a/191038/3094 awwwww <3

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I could sell you a badge....

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh how much? :)

Nicola Talbot

2:30 PM

@PauloCereda Oh, you meany, trying to kill orphans. ;-) (They're still driving me nuts!)

Paulo Cereda

@NicolaTalbot ooh! :)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle I don't think tabbing is a pretty useless environment. I have used it in various occasions.

David Carlisle

@egreg I'm biased against it as I've never needed to use it and it added pointless complication getting the encoding specific accent commands to work given that it steals all the accent commands:-)

egreg

2:50 PM

@DavidCarlisle That's just because of the bizarre choice of the tabbing commands. Lamport wanted them to be short and (possibly) memorable. I agree that, from the LaTeX developer's point of view, \@tabacckludge is not really nice.

Another stolen tick. :P

David Carlisle

@egreg disgraceful: you could have at least rewritten it to use tabbing instead of tabularx

Alan Munn

3:19 PM

@NicolaTalbot I'm trying to use datatool on a huge external file and running into problems. I suspect that it's because there are characters datatool doesn't like. Is there any way to add some diagnostics to the log to see which lines of the file it balks on?

Nicola Talbot

@AlanMunn Are you using \DTLloaddb or \DTLloadrawdb?

Alan Munn

@NicolaTalbot I've been trying both and getting different errors.

Nicola Talbot

@AlanMunn \DTLloaddb uses \@dtl@readline to read a line and \DTLloadrawdb uses \@dtl@readrawline. They both have the same syntax (first argument is the file register, the second argument is the macro in which to store the line). You could perhaps modify \@dtl@readline to write to the current line to log file.

Alan Munn

@NicolaTalbot I think the problem is the following: if I use raw then braces get escaped, which I don't want because I have lots of lines with macros as the last element of a column and that seems to screw up datatool.

@NicolaTalbot Of course if I don't use raw then I have to escape the text myself.

Nicola Talbot

3:35 PM

@AlanMunn Can you provide an example.

Alan Munn

3:49 PM

@NicolaTalbot I'll try to work one up later. I might also try adding some debug output as you suggest. Thanks.

Nicola Talbot

@AlanMunn Okay.

David Carlisle

4:35 PM

@JosephWright (or anyone) I answered no for this but should I have said yes, should people delete (rather than close) duplicate questions?

Since my question is a duplicate, should I delete it? — j_random_hacker 2 mins ago

Joseph Wright

@DavidCarlisle The usual rule is 'no' here: dupes widen the potential for a search hit to the answers

olga.saucedo

@DavidCarlisle I was going to say the same as @JosephWright. The duplicate may have different wording.

Joseph Wright

@olga.saucedo There's a StackExchange blog by Jeff A. about exactly this

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Who? :)

olga.saucedo

@JosephWright ok :)

Paulo Cereda

4:44 PM

@JosephWright: Stop sending emails, my iPad "dings" everytime. :P

Joseph Wright

@PauloCereda You don't get the team ones [yet ;-)]

Paulo Cereda

@JosephWright Speaking of which, I'm in debt with you, but it's not my fault (mostly). :) Some of the PhD stuff is bitting me.

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda I could send you some helpful mails like my last one

Paulo Cereda

@DavidCarlisle ooh!

David Carlisle

@PauloCereda s/\(.*\)h/B\1/

Canageek

5:46 PM

Morning all

@DavidCarlisle I know! Headlines should be centered.

@olga.saucedo I've found things that way before

olga.saucedo

@Canageek Good afternoon!

egreg

@Canageek Good evening!

Hi everyone!

@PaulGessler Hello!

@Canageek :(

6:09 PM

@PauloCereda Hi! How did the trip back home go?

Kurt

7:07 PM

What do you think? Spam? I would say!

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Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina Hello Gonzalo! :) It was a quite tiring journey back home, but thankfully I survived. I will sleep well today. :)

Paul Gessler

@Kurt indeed

Kurt

Okay, I flagged for spam

David Carlisle

8:31 PM

@egreg ah that's where it is, I knew it was somewhere, looked in latex.ltx :-)

egreg

@DavidCarlisle \subitem?

David Carlisle

@egreg yes

egreg

@DavidCarlisle It has appeared a few times on the site. It seems to work, but it use \hangindent, so…

It eventually does \hspace*{20pt}. Not a big deal, but not useful either.

Paulo Cereda

8:55 PM

@Joseph: I have a great game to recommend!

egreg

@PauloCereda You survived the long trip, it seems. ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh my, the plan was to leave SP at 15:00. I left at 21:30. :)

egreg

@PauloCereda What are six hours? A blinking of the eyes.

Paulo Cereda

@egreg An eternity without TeX. :)

@egreg: I played a lot of games in my portable 3DS. :)

egreg

9:19 PM

@PauloCereda What happened? Riots?

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Thankfully no riots, at least until Sunday. :) It was a mix of traffic jam + rain.

egreg

@PauloCereda Nice jam indeed! For tomorrow thunderstorms are expected. :(

Paulo Cereda

@egreg Oh no! The one we had on Wednesday was quite devasting, some houses were damaged. And lately we are expecting a lot of thunderstorms (I'm very afraid of them).

Gonzalo Medina

9:58 PM

If someone could take a look at the answer I provided to tex.stackexchange.com/q/191080/3954 and please explain to me why my answer works I'd be really happy! I have no experience with arabtex, but (if I didn't misread the documentation), the argument ro \RL is supposed to be in a group, so apparently there would be no need to explicitly group as my suggested answer requires. Waht is going on there?

Paulo Cereda

10:12 PM

@GonzaloMedina Your answer works because Oh my, it's a lion! Get in the car! :)

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egreg

10:27 PM

@GonzaloMedina No idea. But RTL mixed to LTR is always a mystery.

Gonzalo Medina

10:41 PM

@PauloCereda :)

@egreg So it seems.

@PauloCereda By the way, soon I'll be needing some advise on cats, so I will bother you, if that's OK.

Paulo Cereda

10:52 PM

@GonzaloMedina oh sure! :)

Just poke me. :)

Heiko Oberdiek

@GonzaloMedina \RL changes \lineskiplimit to a negative value and wants it to reset at the end of the paragraph via redefining \par. But then \begin{itemize} follows and LaTeX has its own ideas of redefining \par.

Paulo Cereda

@HeikoOberdiek Is there anything you don't know? :)

Paul Gessler

Hello friends! Finally polished up my first TeX work that I hope to release "into the wild", as it were. It's a university thesis class based on memoir. I noticed there is not much (La)TeX activity on codereview.stackexchange.com; is there a better place I could post for some quick feedback? (It's about 250 lines.)

Heiko Oberdiek

11:10 PM

@PauloCereda Lots of things, but I am not giving an example ;-)

Paulo Cereda

@HeikoOberdiek :)

Gonzalo Medina

@HeikoOberdiek Ah, I see. Thanks. Do you think then that it's safer to explicitly group \RL commands?

Paulo Cereda

@PaulGessler Perhaps a good start is to publish the code in a public repository. Later on, a link in this chat or in the c.t.t mailing list?

Paul Gessler

@PauloCereda thanks, it is here for now: github.com/pdgessler/pdg-thesis/blob/master/mugsthesis.cls

I plan to put it in its own repo once it's approved by the Graduate School

Paulo Cereda

@PaulGessler Awesome!

@cgnieder: another victim: github.com/pdgessler :)

@PaulGessler Good luck. :) I tried to do the same for my dept, but they do complain a lot. :P

Paul Gessler

11:15 PM

@PauloCereda :D could be worse; at least it's not CVS :p

Gonzalo Medina

@PauloCereda CS people!

Paulo Cereda

@GonzaloMedina Pretty much it. :) And they hate TCS people! :)

izabera

guys can you please help me? i'm looking for a software that can detect rivers, evaluate them and produce results like this

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler why lppl 1.2? (it was 1.3 that finally got accepted as an open source licence by Debian et al)

Heiko Oberdiek

@GonzaloMedina If a normal paragraph end follows, then an explicit grouping is probably not needed. The grouping has the effect, that the lines can be further apart than without, because the reduced \lineskiplimit is not active at the end of the paragraph.

David Carlisle

11:20 PM

@izabera human eye's quite good at that:-)

izabera

yep but humans are too costly :P

Paulo Cereda

@izabera Image recognition might be a solution.

Paul Gessler

@DavidCarlisle chalk that up to lack of research on my part. Thanks, will update.

izabera

@PauloCereda you mean a program named "image recognition" or just image recognition techniques?

Gonzalo Medina

@HeikoOberdiek Yep, you are right (that sentence is a tautology when applied to you).

Paulo Cereda

11:24 PM

@izabera The latter. I think there are interesting heuristics that could be applied to a matrix in order to find a river pattern. :)

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler only other thing is last few lines setting \floatsep, I don't know memoir really but is onelineskip a rigid length? some flexibility helps page makeup there (and a rigid length only helps with grid typesetting if the float box itself is forced to a multiple of baselineskip

@izabera this?

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Q: How to define the badness of a river?

I've written an algorithm to try and detect rivers in paragraphs and it actually detects quite a lot when I run it. Some of them are clearly false positives, but there are others that are indeed aligned spaces on consecutive lines. Here are some, colored in green in the following picture: When...

line-breaking paragraphs typography rivers

Paul Gessler

@DavidCarlisle yes that is rigid, I had to add that in at the end to appease the graduate school <facepalm>. They insisted on absolutely fixed spacings there, which to me makes no sense. Oh well.

David Carlisle

@PaulGessler I don't think I ever actually read the thesis submission rules when I did mine, I just submitted it and assumed they'd read the words (it was set with a typewriter anyway) when did graduate schools start to believe they were experts in typography, it makes no sense:-)

Paul Gessler

@DavidCarlisle haha, I don't understand it either. The other thing that makes absolutely no sense to me about Marquette's was that there must be one line skip (100% rigid, by the way) before a header and two line skips after it... why should the header be closer to the preceding content than the content it encompasses? :-)

I can't hope to explain that one

David Carlisle

@izabera which leads to github

github.com/raphink/impnattypo

izabera

11:39 PM

yes i'm studying the source right now

thank you :)

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