The Whiteboard

12:00 AM

The only thing I don't really like is using the package manager console for that stuff, I wish they made a special extension for visual studio to give visual studio EF-specific UI for doing that stuff

Matt D

yeah .. there's two "sides" to this application, read/write. with the read using views on write tables for seperation

Jimmy Hoffa

it feels like abuse of the package manager console

Matt D

itd be nice to have EF know about views though

Jimmy Hoffa

@MattD yeah, I always like separating reads and writes, the concerns are so different in almost every application I've seen...

Matt D

yerp

psr

12:01 AM

Thanks @JimmyHoffa @MattD. I need to take a new look at that.

Matt D

we didnt want to have different DB's, at least yet. anwyay. point is code will run on different DB's if we need to

MetaFight

it'd be nice to have EF allow you to create a readonly model of a DB.

Mike

I've started doing that even in my tiny applications, just makes life easier

MetaFight

that way you don't have to import all the non-nullable colums that you don't care about.

Matt D

using different schema's in the same DB is a life saver

as you can have dbo.TableName and otherSchema.TableName

Jimmy Hoffa

12:02 AM

my first approach to that problem came up with a term I still like but I think people would do a double take and smack me for using - Depository, instead of writing repositories I would create Depository's which are one-way-in

Matt D

Suppository?

O_O

bwhaha

Ampt

@MattD for when your code needs that extra level of protection.

Robert Harvey

That's just a really crappy repository, bada boom.

Ampt

Code Suppository - get yours today

Matt D

its for storing all your shitty objects

Jimmy Hoffa

12:03 AM

this conversation has rapidly become about anything butt architectural design...

Matt D

hahah

Robert Harvey

var context = new BadonkadonkContext();

Matt D

var shelf = SuppositoryContext();

Mike

Suppository : IDisposable { ...

Matt D

BWHAHAH

user20683

12:05 AM

var context_update = BadonkadonkContext.cabooseOnTheLoose();

Matt D

is there a nice way to write something that maps strings to enums?

in c#

some kind of reflection magic?

user20683

@MattD was about to say

user20683

it's stupidly easy in Python

Robert Harvey

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Q: How do I Convert a string to an enum in C#?

What's the best way to convert a string to an enumeration value in C#? I have an HTML select tag containing the values of an enumeration. When the page is posted, I want to pick up the value (which will be in the form of a string) and convert it to the enumeration value. In an ideal world, I c...

Jimmy Hoffa

@MattD T GetEnum<T>(string rar) { return Enum.Parse(typeof(T), rar); }

something to that tune - that's off the top of my head, I'm probably getting param order wrong or something

Mike

12:06 AM

oh C# enum... you fall so short so often

Matt D

awesome, thanks :D

Mike

I feel dirty looking at PHP jobs after spending a few years in C#

Robert Harvey

I'd feel dirty even if I never saw any C# code.

user20683

@RobertHarvey Likewise

Matt D

lovely, you guys rock

Jimmy Hoffa

12:09 AM

Suppositories officially on topic on P.SE

7 mins ago, 3 minutes total – 13 messages, 5 users, 2 stars

Bookmarked 5 secs ago by Jimmy Hoffa

That bookmark will now be shared everytime someone asks about topicality of the whiteboard..

Matt D

hahah :)

i actually think its probably a sensible term

user20683

Too many suppositories will cause stack smashing and undefined output.

Matt D

suppository
1392, from M.L. suppositorium, noun use of neut. of L.L. suppositorius "placed underneath or up," from L. suppositus, pp. of supponere "put or place under" (see suppose).

the modern usage doesnt quite fit, but the older one does

depository is probably a better alternative

user20683

@MattD You've entirely missed the point.

user20683

;)

Mike

12:14 AM

why does youtube limit the number of videos it will recommend to me at one time yet always seems to have more when I've watched what it gives me?

Matt D

@Mike secondary needs conditioning.

@Mike you'll keep watching videos hoping that the next one will recommend you something interesting

Mike

oddly enough I'm trying to condition it right now, opening up videos that are close to what I want in tabs and letting them play for a bit, refreshing the recommended feed

user20683

It's autotraining you to watch more videos whilst training its machine learning algorithms in what you like more accurately by making you watchy more videos

user20683

Welcome to Cyberpunk

Matt D

I wonder if its subtly teaching a AI by using word association which you are providing by selecting related key terms in "you might like" youtube videos.

Ampt

12:16 AM

Are you trying to train an AI to train their AI so you can get better video recommendations?

Mike

well they label the videos with "recommended because you watched <x> from <y>" or something along those lines

Matt D

well I've always thought you could build a ridiculously powerful "supercomputer" by working out how to express problems as "games" that humans are good at. like image matching, or puzzles, or what not. then solve really complicated "problems" by farming the qestions out to millions of humans, like captcha. but for protein folding.

Mike

Amazon already did it

user20683

Odds are you'd use some form of k-means

Mike

mturk.com/mturk

Ampt

12:18 AM

I believe you mean reCaptcha already did it

user20683

or support vector machines

Matt D

right. but do it for actual mathmatical problems, not just image recognition

Ampt

too bad it takes me like 5 tries to even get past a captcha nowadays. holy shit is that hard.

Matt D

yeah. i struggle to do them most of the time

im sure robots are better at it than i am now

user20683

@MattD What do you mean actual mathematical problems? Image recognition involves horrendous amounts of linear algebra, stats, and diff eq.

Matt D

12:22 AM

sure, but its a specific class of problem

you can use it to see if things are visually similar to other things, which is pretty useful. but its not the only class of problem

eg: you could use the same approach to try and cheat the travelling salesman problem

or provide better AI for COD

user41796

@jozefg - if I pick up one more up vote on the compiler recruiting question, you'll pick up a Populist badge.

user20683

@GlenH7 Congrats he has a populist badge.

Mike

bam

user41796

woo hoo for @jozefg

user41796

and woo hoo for useles rep for me! :-)

user41796

12:32 AM

I am all about scoring badges for others though

user20683

Also I am quite interested in compilers but I figured I'd stay away from mentioning it on account of conflicts of interest.

user41796

erm. zero conflict of interest at all.

user41796

Invite the guy into chat (or I will) and have him cough up contact info

user41796

conflict of interest means that you have something to gain at the exclusion of others through the abuse of your privilege

user41796

yes, you have something to gain. Potentially at the expense of others.

user41796

12:34 AM

But obviously he's looking for candidates since he's whinging about it here

user20683

fair enough

user41796

Now, saying "if you don't hire me I'm suspending yo azz till infinity…" That's a conflict of interest

user41796

because now you're abusing your power to obtain something

user41796

it's also extortion, but you get the idea

user41796

and jozefg wants an internship, so we should tell him that

user41796

12:35 AM

:-)

user41796

And now that I've got ethics 101 done for tonight, I need to run. :-)

Matt D

rofl

Dynamic

1:23 AM

I love hats...

Mike

1:40 AM

You should play TF2

Matt D

god damn visual studio

occaionaslly intellisense just stops work

uing

MetaFight

usually right after a type ;)

typo. lol

Matt D

1:58 AM

or you're writing huge amounts of mapping code

user41796

2:11 AM

@MattD I have seen issues when in a foreach statement. That seems to have been fixed in 2012. In other cases, the cache is just way behind. There are tricks to force a refresh, but I don't recall them offhand

Matt D

I just did a restart. seemed to fix it

user41796

Worst case fix, but yeah, it works.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:23 AM

woot, I just spent the last two hours organizing and notating about 300 medical bill mailers to cover a fair portion of the last year, who doesn't love being an adult and shit. Eff all that noise I'm going to go play video games like a kid again...

responsibility is for mooks, I'm tired of this shit.

Santhosh

4:47 AM

Hi, I am new to this whiteboard and discussion forum

Ampt

Hi, we are here to serve our new robotic overlords

Santhosh

I am new to united states. I am working with IT services firm. But, I want to be part of some product company where I want to do some programming stuff. Size of orgzs don't matter

Ampt

are you looking for a job?

Santhosh

No, I am already working

But, i want a programming job in some company

Ampt

well how can we help then

Santhosh

4:51 AM

Organisation size not matter. Don't know where to look for these type of jobs. Can anyone help me

Matt D

seek.com?

Santhosh

oh

Ampt

so you are looking for a job

Matt D

google?

shesh man.

Santhosh

yeah I am looking for a programming job

Ampt

4:51 AM

try linked in or google

do you know how to program?

Matt D

ill be blunt, but if you cant work out where to look for jobs its unlikely that someone is going to trust you to be able to work out how to solve their engineering problems.

Santhosh

Yeah I know SQL, SAS and basics of C, python

ok Matt

Ampt

He has a point. Engineering is about solving problems

your problem is that you don't know where to look for jobs

Santhosh

hmm

i tried linkedin

and hired

no luck

Ampt

couldn't find anything on linked in?

Santhosh

4:53 AM

yep

Matt D

seek/monster/companies you want to work for

Ampt

no programming jobs on linked in?

Matt D

there's craptonnes on linked in

Ampt

one of these dozen recruiters must be lying to me then...

Matt D

its about the only redeeming feature of the entire site

Santhosh

4:53 AM

meant to say I applied but no luck for me

Ampt

what did they say?

Santhosh

sent applications but most of them replied saying they look for programming exp

Ampt

what made you not qualify?

Santhosh

i know only SQL and basics of SQL and python. Not enough working knowledge on them

Ampt

well most places want you to be able to produce before you work for them

so you may want to start by expanding your programming knowledge

Santhosh

4:56 AM

hmm okay. Learning algorithms with algorithm design manual

Ampt

Computer Science is great but unless you can apply it you aren't gonna be useful. learn more languages. apply them. learn their strengths and weknesses

the only way you do that is practice

lots and lots of practice

Santhosh

sure, got with projecteuler also

looking to do with GIThub

Ampt

thats definitely a start

you're on the right path but you just need to invest the time

Matt D

do you have a degree? or some kind of certification?

Santhosh

thanks

yeah have a BS degree from India and MS Work integrated learning

Ampt

4:58 AM

unfortunately most places won't pay you to spend that time. They want you to have already done all that before they hire you

what was your BS in?

Santhosh

but most experience is with datawarehousing

computer science

Ampt

and you're just learning algorithms?

uhh....

did you complete your BS?

Santhosh

yep

Ampt

what exactly did your BS coursework entail?

Santhosh

learning .. refreshing them again bcause not implemented them for 4 years in work

Ampt

5:00 AM

is your degree accredited by any organization?

Santhosh

please don't laugh it is CS

Indian University

Ampt

well it sounds like a failure in the system. You paid them for knowledge which you apparently don't have yet

I'm not laughing, just genuinely curious

Santhosh

yep

have curiosity with little what I can call as knowledge

Ampt

Oh don't be a pessimist. I'm trying to help. You claim to have a degree but don't have the knowledge associated with that degree

Santhosh

yeah Thanks

Ampt

5:03 AM

if you want to get better you better learn to laugh at yourself, fast.

Santhosh

sure...

I also know SAS and learning bsaic in R language

on my own through coursera

Ampt

no one in this room can claim perfection. (Save our lord and savior @JimmyHoffa, protector of the realm, first of his name, creator of the functional and wielder of the monad)

well most places now are using C# (.net stack) or Java

I would say start there if you're looking for a language to learn

Santhosh

yes please

sure I'll start with Java

The problem is I know only basics in most languages

HTML, CSS, Python, R etc

Ampt

that is a problem. One that you can only solve with time and study

Santhosh

okay

Ampt

5:06 AM

(don't list HTML and CSS and languages, they aren't and show you don't know that)

but those are good to have knowledge in

Santhosh

btw I have been called by google for interview

Ampt

for what?

programming?

Santhosh

but I am too afraid to attend that with this skill set

don't know they just said interview

they have given sample topics which include algorithms etc

Ampt

from google?

Santhosh

yes

Ampt

5:07 AM

interesting

well maybe you have something that you haven't told us

Santhosh

I have experience in data warehousing for nearly 4 years with SAS and SQL

i have online certificatewith distinction from stanfor MOOC on their DB course

Ampt

and you're having trouble getting a job?

why not just go to the interview at google and see how it goes?

Santhosh

yeah on programming side

my lnkedin profile linkedin.com/pub/santhosh-venkatraman/28/33a/2a8

Ampt

do you not like doing database stuff?

Santhosh

yeah, preapraing for that it's on last wk of Jan

yeah i do

but now am with testing

just writing only DRL statements with lot of joins

Ampt

5:11 AM

so then what are you looking for?

you've got an interview with google and knowledge in a field

just how to program?

Santhosh

yeah and stuff associated with programming

google has sent me topics on algorithms, trees etc

huff I think I am confusing you

Ampt

yes, I'm a little confused on what you're looking for at this point

Santhosh

let me put it

I have experience in data warehousing for nearly four years mostly with testing by writing DRL statements with Joins

received call from google and they have sent me topics to prepare which includes algorithms, programming, trees etc

I also want to get switched to programming sides from testing

I hope I am clear now

okay Thanks for the help @Ampt

gnat

8:04 AM

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Q: No questions asked but banned from Programmers

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migrate to Programmers meta?

MetaFight

10:00 AM

Does anyone here have experience with linking unit tests or coded integration tests with Features/Stories/Bugs in issue tracking systems?

I know TFS has some support for this. It used to be via 3rd Party configurations... it may be 1st party now. I'm just wondering if it's a standard practice that other tools also support.

I'd like to be able to automatically flag which of my tests need to be manually reviewed when a Feature or Story has changed. Being able to link tests with work items seems to be the way.

gnat

10:27 AM

@MetaFight per my experience, linking tests to tickets is not a standard feature in "classical" issue trackers; I've seen a couple homebrew solutions for that, typically made by QA guys to maintain traceability. If you want a solution that integrates this out of the box, look for requirements management (DOORS) / ALM solutions

Application lifecycle management

Application lifecycle management (ALM) is the product lifecycle management (governance, development, and maintenance) of application software. It encompasses requirements management, software architecture, computer programming, software testing, software maintenance, change management, project management, and release management. ALM software suites Some specialized software suites for ALM are: {|class="wikitable" ! Name ! Released by |- | Aldon LMI | Rocket Software |- | codeBeamer | Intland Software |- | Coverity Development Testing Platform | Coverity |- | Endevor | CA Technologies...

MetaFight

10:42 AM

To be honest, I was just wondering if there was a hole in the market.

;)

gnat

@MetaFight that hole is covered long time ago. :) Demand was too clear for market to lack supply

MetaFight

I've been a dev for a few years now. I've only worked for one client, though. In those years the term ALM never came up. In fact, I only discovered ALM when I started googling all the problems I was having at work :)

so. ALM as a topic is now on my reading list. I need to figure out what the rest of the world is doing. My bosses loved pretending they were at the bleeding edge of software development practices... it turns out they were full of shit ;)

gnat

@MetaFight there's rarely a strong need / sufficient skill for ALM, especially for the purpose of tests traceability. Think of it, one needs to understand and be interested in traceability and long-term tests maintenance to justify ALM, this is rarely the case

MetaFight

True... where I used to work we clearly got by using 0 automated testing and having 0 strategy for long term software support. It doesn't mean we weren't wasting money, though.

gnat

wow. Just... wow

gnat: so basically there is a risk of getting crappy answers. I for one am willing to take it. — Captain Hindsight 8 mins ago

MetaFight

10:53 AM

I guess I'm trying to figure out how to balance things. How strict do your ALM procedures really need to be for the task at hand.

gnat

11:07 AM

@MetaFight there's no hard rule. Your best bet is to clarify this with those who maintain tests - tests tracking with ALM is intended to make their life simpler

MetaFight

heh. yeah, I tried that for about a year. My head then started hurting from all the wall-banging, so I quit.

I haven't started looking for another job yet. I'm spending a bit of time learning what I can do better. I'm trying to figure out how to identify work places to avoid (like my last one!). And I'm trying to learn more about ALM and other dev practices so I can make myself more valuable on the job market.

fun times.

user41796

2:13 PM

@Ampt - your conversation last night is prima facie evidence that titles are meaningless. His title was Senior Project Engineer but he made it seem like he couldn't code his way out of a wet paper bag. With only 5 years of work experience, that reeks of title inflation. Some consultancies love doing that as it allows them to crank up the billing rate.

user41796

On to more constructive items....

user41796

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Q: How would you call a function that linearly "remaps" a value from a given interval to an other interval?

I am worried about the name I should use for a function that remaps a value from a given interval [oldMin, oldMax] to an other interval [newMin, newMax]. Basically this formula: newVal = newMin + (oldVal - oldMin) / (oldMax - oldMin) * (newMax - newMin) that is the resolution of the following ...

naming

user41796

How can we salvage that question? The two answers there are decent, and I can't help but wonder about making the question better. I'm not sure what should be changed in order to make the question meaningful (and findable) to future visitors.

gnat

2:35 PM

@GlenH7 gotta be tough. Ideally an edit would be such that one could justify flagging as not an answer stuff like that: "I call it BoogieWoogie because in my code, Boogie name also goes for function for dividend parts of the equation while Woogie goes for dividers. Really easy to memorize!" Note how this crap directly answers the question and even "explains" why it's recommended

user41796

@gnat At first glance, the two answers there seemed to handle the question albeit from different perspectives.

user41796

Normally, I VTC name-that-thing questions. But the two answers addressed the question and reflect nearly equivalent terms just different domains.

user41796

Even with a salvage, I don't think it would be a high quality question, but I thought it could be saved and turned into something of quality. At the moment, I don't think future visitors would be able to search for and find it.

gnat

2:50 PM

@GlenH7 I would at very least wipe out naming game crap outta there. Title like: A function that linearly “remaps” a value from a given interval to an other interval? Body: I have a function that remaps a value [...as in original, up to the formula image...] What kind of transform is this?

user41796

@gnat Seems like a good place to start

user41796

3:13 PM

I have edited the question. That was the best I could come up with to move it away from the "name that thing" game.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:50 PM

...my backpack's got jets...

thanks @GlenH7, I'm going to have that song in my head all day now.

user41796

what song?

user41796

Although I'll happily accept any side effect that torments you, intentional or not. :-D

jozefg

@Ampt Thanks :) It's for my undergrad, I'm just a high school student

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