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12:00 AM
We've discussed this before. I think 3-5 °F / 1000'
 
So yeah, 2kf it a lot.
Yes, it's 3-5 °F / 1000'.
I have it on my wall.
But that derives from some SI calculation.
 
And Los Alamos is another 1000-2000' on top of that.
 
Meteo Swiss phrases it:
>
As altitude increases, temperature decreases. Various factors are responsible for this, including air pressure and water-vapour content. With every 100 metres, the temperature drops by an average of 0.65°C. Where the air is very dry, such as in an area of high pressure, the air can cool by almost 1°C per 100 metres.
 
I just know you have to climb forever to get there from Santa Fe.
 
It's like me going up to Nederland: huge climb.
Actually, Ned's +3k above me, not +2k. Still.
 
12:03 AM
@tchrist So 3 °C / 1000'
 
People do bike that. All the time. Including people in their 70s and sometimes even 80s God help them. But no thanks.
 
@tchrist Hey, tell me about it. No way I'm doing the Triple Bypass.
 
Nope.
People do the +2k from downtown Boulder up to the top of Flagstaff Mountain here in town. But there are too many accidents on the way down. I know my cousin did do the climb at least once, and coasted back without mishap. But mistakes happen.
 
That said, I'll be doing Cap de Formentor in May.
 
Bikers cross over the centerline on tight curves too often. Or worse.
 
On Palma, eh?
I don't know what to say.
Oh 3C per kilofoot, so 1C per 300 meters not per 100 meters.
And with each kilofoot you rise water boils 1C cooler.
 
The city is Palma. We'll be staying in Alcudia, on the east coast.
 
I hope you'll be ok.
 
That's only about 4500' of climbing, but there are grades as high as 23%. And I'm no Tour de France rider.
 
I haven't known anybody who's done serious stuff since their 20s.
 
12:11 AM
And two days after that we'll be doing Sa Calobra.
 
You can manage in your 30s too, and for complex reasons, often into your 40s. Beyond that I never fathom it.
 
@tchrist I have the time now, so I do a lot of cycling. But usually in the 1000-2000' range. Sometimes about 2500. Usually runs about 15 hrs/wk.
 
I hope to do a few >10m hikes this summer but doubt I'll make it up to the 20-30 miles a day point ever again. I normally don't do more than 5m at a stretch anymore, but that's more from time than anything else.
Well, not 20-30/day always: that tears your body up. But once or twice a week is ok.
Wouldn't care to do that these days.
 
@tchrist If you're doing serious climbing, 5 miles is very decent. Take you a couple hours, depending on the vertical.
That's plenty of exercise.
But you gotta do it at least 3 times a week.
 
Yes. It is. 1500' gain.
And return.
 
12:18 AM
Yeah. And going downhill hiking is not like rolling down on a bike.
 
Still costs you, but at least you can breathe.
Did you see a mountain lion killed a kid in California? 18 and 21 yo brothers; the elder was lion kill.
 
Everything costs something. As I've said before, sedentary can cost you a lot.
@tchrist No, I didn't see that.
 
Yeah, I know. It's my biggest issue. Too border for all the things that make you nervous.
Where remote just means not in a city.
 
Wow. Were they small people?
 
That's what I really wonder.
Usually two fully grown men won't be bothered by a lion.
Usually even two fully grown humans no matter the sex.
But the very small and and will be picked off given the chance.
 
12:23 AM
Yeah. I'm 6'1" and I never worry about being in the wild, except where there are bears.
 
Nope.
If you were 5'0" and 300 pounds you probably'd be ok, too. :)
From lions, at least.
 
@tchrist OMG, I am quite sure I'd be dead by now.
 
I do get nervous about lions coming down a trail getting dark. I've done so a-hollerin' before.
 
I don't blame you.
 
@Robusto I'm sure.
You're still 5" taller than me on my best days, and small people are nervous alone.
 
12:26 AM
Yeah.
 
You hear deer in the brush up on the mountain, but where there's deer there's lions.
 
My wife is 5'2" and fortunately she hates camping.
@tchrist And tigers. And bears.
 
My backpacking buddy is 6'1" and I'm never afraid of getting picked off by a lion when I'm with him. But his wife, who never ever goes with us anymore, is only 5'2" if that.
 
Poor aborigines :(
 
12:29 AM
Be nice to the Indians.
 
Indians live in India.
 
No, sorry.
The etymological fallacy is sure seductive, though, isn't it?
Words mean what the people using them mean when they say them. Their origin doesn't matter.
 
Eh?
At least Duolingo features a Navajo course; that's nice.
 
Terrific things once filled you with terror. Now they're awful. I mean awesome. You see the problem.
 
*Cough*
 
12:33 AM
@DannyuNDos It's a really interesting language.
And if you live in the American Southwest, you actually have a good chance of coming across signs and such in it, at least in the Four Corners area.
But that's what we call Indian Country here.
 
@tchrist I see what you mean, but still, I want to refer to them correctly.
 
But "correctly" isn't a thing.
The Bureau of Indian Affairs has nothing to do with the stuffy Raj.
And in Canada it's even in their constitution IIRC.
 
:(
I mean, I don't want to commit racism.
 
Words mean what people using them mean.
Calling los indios Indians isn't racist.
 
Aw right, I forgot about that term.
 
12:36 AM
Indian country is any of the many self-governing Native American/American Indian communities throughout the United States. As a legal category, it includes "all land within the limits of any Indian reservation", "all dependent Indian communities within the borders of the United States", and "all Indian allotments, the Indian titles to which have not been extinguished."The American military has since applied the term to sovereign land outside its control, including land in Vietnam. == Legal classification == This legal classification defines American Indian tribal and individual land holdings...
It's part of treaties and laws. You can't make it go away just because of political correctness, or at least, not so easily.
Number 49 there is the Navajo.
 
I guess it feels wrong to call them Indians because I'm not American.
 
So when you live close to the Four Corners, "Indian" simply always means the Asians who came here before the Europeans.
And I don't see any huge cry to redefine them as Asians, although they of course are such.
 
Now that feels weird.
Of course, I cannot insist Americans to edit their terms, but still.
 
I feel like they've found links from the Athabaskan cultures or languages that connect on both sides the Bering Sea, but I can't remember how that works.
The weird thing is that the Navajo are newcomers, displaced Alaskans.
> The Dene-Yeniseian Hypothesis proposes a genetic relationship between the Na-Dene (or Athabascan-Eyak-Tlingit) languages of North America and the Yeniseian languages of Central Siberia. Edward J. Vajda of Western Washington University developed this hypothesis between 2006 and 2010.
That's what I was thinking of.
You should always write Dené with an acute so people know to say the final vowel.
Dené–Yeniseian is a proposed language family consisting of the Yeniseian languages of central Siberia and the Na-Dené languages of northwestern North America. Reception among experts has been somewhat favorable; thus, Dené–Yeniseian has been called "the first demonstration of a genealogical link between Old World and New World language families that meets the standards of traditional comparative-historical linguistics", besides the Eskaleut languages spoken in far eastern Siberia and North America. == Early work == Amateur and professional researchers in historical linguistics have long sought...
 
And a personal fact: When I think about native Americans, the ethnicity that comes up the first is the Cherokees.
Mostly because of their native script.
 
12:47 AM
We were taught to respect them for that, and lament them.
@DannyuNDos Every American child is taught the astonishing tale of Sequoyah.
Or were, half a century ago and more.
 
But are they actually taught the script?
 
No. But if they're lucky, they're taught about the Trail of Tears.
 
If I were to be taught, it would be as hard as learning Hiragana or Katakana.
 
And if you're of a certain age, you remember the civil rights movement of the sixties with regard to the nations before us.
> They took the whole Cherokee nation
Put us on this reservation
Took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife
Took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan
Cherokee people
Cherokee tribe
So proud to live
So proud to die
They took the whole Indian nation
Locked us on this reservation
Though I wear a shirt and tie
I'm still part redman deep inside
Cherokee people
Cherokee tribe
So proud to live
So proud to die
"Indian Reservation (The Lament of the Cherokee Reservation Indian)" is a song written by John D. Loudermilk. It was first recorded by Marvin Rainwater in 1959 and released on MGM as "The Pale Faced Indian", but that release went unnoticed. The first hit version was a 1968 recording by Don Fardon – a former member of the Sorrows – that reached number 20 on the Hot 100 in 1968 and number 3 on the UK Singles Chart in 1970.In 1971, the Raiders recorded "Indian Reservation" for Columbia Records, and it topped the Hot 100 on July 24. On June 30, 1971, the RIAA gold certified the record for selling...
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West is a 1970 non-fiction book by American writer Dee Brown that covers the history of Native Americans in the American West in the late nineteenth century. The book expresses details of the history of American expansionism from a point of view that is critical of its effects on the Native Americans. Brown describes Native Americans' displacement through forced relocations and years of warfare waged by the United States federal government. The government's dealings are portrayed as a continuing effort to destroy the culture, religion...
Some of us grew up with that awareness. Some of us did not.
But like I said, they taught us as children about the Trail of Tears.
The Trail of Tears was the forced displacement of approximately 60,000 people of the "Five Civilized Tribes" between 1830 and 1850 by the United States government.As part of Indian removal, members of the Cherokee, Muscogee, Seminole, Chickasaw, and Choctaw nations were forcibly removed from their ancestral homelands in the Southeastern United States to newly designated Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River after the passage of the Indian Removal Act in 1830. The Cherokee removal in 1838 was the last forced removal east of the Mississippi and was brought on by the discovery of gold near...
Little Big Man is a 1970 American Revisionist Western film directed by Arthur Penn, adapted by Calder Willingham from Thomas Berger's 1964 novel of the same title. It stars Dustin Hoffman, Chief Dan George, Faye Dunaway, Martin Balsam, Jeff Corey and Richard Mulligan. The film follows the life of a white man who was raised by members of the Cheyenne nation during the 19th century, then attempts to reintegrate with American pioneer society. Although broadly categorized as a Western, or an epic, the film encompasses several literary/film genres, including comedy, drama and adventure. It parodies...
So it was really "in the air" in those days.
I don't know what's taught about all this anymore.
But tales portraying the warring Indian tribes as saintly are also pure myth. Those too exist. Reality was, and is, far more complex.
With so many hundreds of individual peoples or nations or tribes spread across the continent that lies above South America, all generalizations fail.
It's almost as misleading as any statement about "Asians". Just a smaller area with fewer people and a shorter history, but the class of error is the same.
 
1:05 AM
Too complicated for me to comprehend; sorry. History has been a hard topic for me, Korean or not.
 
What was NOT taught, however, was that they really did have a civilization in the citified sense even here in what became the United States. Much of that has come to light since I was a child, however.
@DannyuNDos My friends from China laugh goodheartedly about our childhood tales of having to take a couple of years of American history. They have to study something like 5,000 years of theirs.
I don't know how they can keep it all in their heads.
 
And 3,000 years of Korean history.
 
@M.A.R. Yes, I was walking around the city, doing delivery work
I'm having hours-long repetitive depressive thoughts (rumination) during work
 
@DannyuNDos Indeed!
@DannyuNDos How far back do you have writings?
We just know so little about what happened here. There wasn't much writing, at least, not much left that wasn't destroyed by the Spanish. But probably none at all this far north.
The LIDAR-revealed cities covered now in jungle are yet another astonishing recent discovery.
 
As documented, the first Korean country in history was 고조선 go-jo-seon, which is speculated to have emerged around 2000 B.C.
 
1:11 AM
We can do archaeology, and should, but it is nothing like discovering ancient writings.
@DannyuNDos Do concepts like "Bronze Age" or "neolithic" apply there that far east? They mostly cannot be applied to the Americas at all, for example.
 
Paleolithic, neolithic, and bronze-age items were excavated in South Korean territories. Unsure about North Korean ones, tho.
 
@DannyuNDos Thanks. I just didn't know whether the terms applied there.
@jlliagre Like Jeeziz in a potato chip!
 
@jlliagre That's speculated to be a mask.
 
1:26 AM
> It is not clear when people first inhabited this land, but it is believed to have been around the Paleolithic era, approximately 500,000 to 10,000 years ago.
 
Personally, amongst liberal-artistic subjects, I'm more like a geography person. I still attempt to memorize the entire US' map, by states.
 
There were a lot of different kinds of "people" in Asia half a million years ago.
 
South Korea has 17 provinces; much fewer than US' 50 states.
And those American oversea territories? Ugh.
 
@DannyuNDos Oh, like the future south Florida? :)
Prehistoric Asia refers to events in Asia during the period of human existence prior to the invention of writing systems or the documentation of recorded history. This includes portions of the Eurasian land mass currently or traditionally considered as the continent of Asia. The continent is commonly described as the region east of the Ural Mountains, the Caucasus Mountains, the Caspian Sea, Black Sea and Red Sea, bounded by the Pacific, Indian, and Arctic Oceans. This article gives an overview of the many regions of Asia during prehistoric times. == Origin of Asian hominids == === Earl...
 
@tchrist You mean Puerto Rico?
Some people say it will be the 51st state, jokingly or not.
 
1:30 AM
@DannyuNDos And Hawaii, which is a separate problem. But Florida won't be around for long with sea levels rising. Not unless the Dutch emigrate there.
 
And Guam, and Northern Mariana Islands, and American Virgin Island, and...
Though, I'm glad that the US is quite close to South Korea because of such territories. Just in case that NK invades SK.
They say one Gerald Ford class aircraft carrier would outclass the entire enemy.
 
@DannyuNDos USVI at least is close to us. The others are weird and complicated.
But we stole Hawaii from the Hawaiians. It was its own kingdom. But we wanted it, so we took it.
Just like we took most everything.
 
"Ka-me-ha-me-HAA!!"
(No offense; just a reference to Dragon Balls.)
 
That said... US' Marine Corps is independent from US' Navy, right?
 
1:45 AM
> East Asia, for the purpose of this discussion, includes the prehistoric regions of China, Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang and Korea.
Are those six countries, or just one? :)
> Ancestors of East Asians split from other human populations possibly as early as 70,000 to 50,000 years ago.[21][22] Ancestral East Asians, which gave rise to modern East/Southeast Asians, Polynesians, Siberians and Native Americans, expanded in multiple waves outgoing from Southern China northwards and southwards respectively.
 
*Cough* Both Koreas are definitely different countries from the Chinese ones.
And I have no idea why they left Japan out.
As for my question: Should South Korean Marine Corps gain independence from South Korean Navy and have their commander four-starred?
 
@DannyuNDos No. Marines are a branch of the Navy.
They are the Navy's pitbulls.
 
> From 2001 to 2019, proposals to rename the Department of the Navy to the Department of the Navy and Marine Corps, which would have also renamed the secretary of the Navy to the secretary of the Navy and Marine Corps, were introduced with wide support in the United States Congress, but failed due to the opposition of Senator and former U.S. Navy officer John McCain.
The health service gets its own uniform, and so does NOAA.
 
I'm asking my brother, a tech serge in Korean Air Force, about this.
 
Not all branches are headed by same-starred ranks.
 
1:59 AM
Oh, he just said "DUNNO :-P".
And a related fact: US' Coast Guards are military people, but South Korean Coast Guards are policemen.
 
> The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Commissioned Officer Corps (NOAA Corps) has never had an officer hold the grade of admiral. However, 37 U.S.C. § 201 of the U.S. Code established the grade for the NOAA Corps, in case a position is created that merits the four-star grade.
> In most countries, a typical coast guard's functions are distinct from those of the navy (a military service) and the transit police (a law enforcement agency), while in certain countries they have similarities to both.
> The coast guard may, varying by jurisdiction, be a branch of a country's military, a law enforcement agency, or a search and rescue body. For example, the United States Coast Guard is a specialized military branch with law enforcement authority, whereas the United Kingdom's His Majesty's Coastguard (HMCG) is a civilian organisation whose primary role is search and rescue.
> Beginning in 1964 with the United States Coast Guard, many coast guards around the world have adopted high visibility color schemes to differentiate their coast guard vessels from the vessels of their respective navies. A frequent element is a high contrast "racing stripe" on the outer hull. While no international agreement exists to adopt it as a uniform marking, [...] 61 nations had adopted some form of this stripe pattern for their coastal patrol and rescue vessels.
In Egypt they're part of the Navy.
 
The Marines do have parity at the top. The Joint Chiefs of Staff include a four-star officer from Army, Navy, Marines, and Air Force. Not sure about Space Force.
 
The Korea Coast Guard (KCG; Korean: 해양경찰청; Hanja: 海洋警察廳, Revised Romanization: Haeyang-gyeongchal-cheong, literally Maritime Police Agency) is a South Korean law enforcement sub-agency responsible for maritime safety and control off the coast. The KCG is an independent and external branch of Ministry of Maritime Affairs and Fisheries. The KCG has its headquarters in Incheon, has hundreds of smaller operating stations along the coastline of the Korean Peninsula. It operates 4 classes of heavy vessels (over 1,000 tons), 3 classes of medium vessels (over 250 tons), and 3 classes of light vessels...
> a broad consensus has coalesced around the conclusion that the Austronesian languages originated in Taiwan,[7] and the theory has been strengthened by recent studies in human population genetics.[8]
The Formosan languages are a geographic grouping comprising the languages of the indigenous peoples of Taiwan, all of which are Austronesian. They do not form a single subfamily of Austronesian but rather up to nine separate primary subfamilies. The Taiwanese indigenous peoples recognized by the government are about 2.3% of the island's population. However, only 35% speak their ancestral language, due to centuries of language shift. Of the approximately 26 languages of the Taiwanese indigenous peoples, at least ten are extinct, another four (perhaps five) are moribund, and all others are to some...
 
2:15 AM
> Archaeological evidence (e.g., Bellwood 1997) is more consistent, suggesting that the ancestors of the Austronesians spread from the South Chinese mainland to Taiwan at some time around 8,000 years ago.
This is what I seemed to remember.
 
@Cerberus I'd seen it placed in very roughly the same timeframe as the Indo-European people migrated into what we now call Europe.
I had a rough figure in my head of ~5ka for both, but that's got a lot of slop in it.
 
I mean the location of the ultimate source.
 
Ah. Yes, mainland China indeed. But much longer ago than recently.
The route then seems to lead out from there to the Philippines and the Polynesians and so the Hawaiians and such. But it doesn't have anything to do with the Australian languages.
I ran into this when glancing at Papuan languages.
 
2:37 AM
Australian languages: are those even a family?
I thought New Guinea was just full of isolates?
 
3:27 AM
@Cerberus No.
The Papuan languages are the non-Austronesian languages spoken on the western Pacific island of New Guinea, as well as neighbouring islands in Indonesia, Solomon Islands, and East Timor by around 4 million people. It is a strictly geographical grouping, and does not imply a genetic relationship. New Guinea is the most linguistically diverse region in the world. Besides the Austronesian languages, there arguably are some 800 languages divided into perhaps sixty small language families, with unclear relationships to each other or to any other languages, plus many language isolates. The majority of...
The Indigenous languages of Australia number in the hundreds, the precise number being quite uncertain, although there is a range of estimates from a minimum of around 250 (using the technical definition of 'language' as non-mutually intelligible varieties) up to possibly 363. The Indigenous languages of Australia comprise numerous language families and isolates, perhaps as many as 13, spoken by the Indigenous peoples of mainland Australia and a few nearby islands. The relationships between the language families are not clear at present although there are proposals to link some into larger groupings...
 
 
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4:35 AM
Here are the schools and departments in my univ, but would you consider them peculiar or not?:
The school of Science and Technology has: Applied Math, Cyber Cryptography, Applied Physics Of Displays, Applied Physics Of Semiconductors, Neo-Material Chemistry, Applied Computing & Softwares, Electronic Informatics, Biological Informatics, Dietary Biology, Electronic & Mechanical Engineering, Environmental & Systematic Engineering, Future Mobility, and Intelligent Semiconductor Engineering.
The school of Pharmacy has... well... Pharmacy.
The school of Global Business has: Korean Studies, Chinese Studies, British & American Studies, Mercantile Business, Informatic Business, and Studies of Standards & Intellectual Properties.
The school of Public Policies has: Governmental Administration, Public Sociology, North Korean Studies, Financial Politics, and Applied Statistics.
The school of Cultures And Sports has: Scientific Sports, Sports Business, Archaeology, Creative Writing, and Studies Of Cultural Contents.
And finally, there is the independent department of City Governing & Construction.
These might render peculiar to you because my univ is a secondary campus, and has a lot of non-traditional studies.
 
5:25 AM
@DannyuNDos what's "dietary biology"? Nutritional science?
 
Yeah, kinda.
 
Or literary "dietary biology"? Like what kinds of food different animals eat, or plants and fungi consume. Which would be a kinda weird thing to study
 
No, not that
 
5:55 AM
Dietary biology: What kind of biology (teeth, digestive system, etc.) goes with a particular diet.
If you’re going to eat
 
 
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9:56 AM
Boiling water, mandarin wedges, a slice of lemon, a dash of powdered ginger and cinnamon
> And a quote from Thomas Hardy:
"“Come, shepherd, and drink. ’Tis gape and swaller with us—a drap of sommit, but not of much account,” said the maltster, removing from the fire his eyes, which were vermilion-red and bleared by gazing into it for so many years. “Take up the God-forgive-me, Jacob. See if ’tis warm, Jacob.”
Jacob stooped to the God-forgive-me, which was a two-handled tall mug standing in the ashes, cracked and charred with heat: it was rather furred with extraneous matter about the outside, especially in the crevices of the handles, the innermost curves of which may not have
 
10:20 AM
Funny that you call those mandarins.
 
10:31 AM
@DannyuNDos Why, what would you call them? Tangerines? Satsumas?
 
10:42 AM
gyul.
 
@CowperKettle I concur.
 
11:11 AM
> The proportion of livebirths occurring in sub-Saharan Africa was forecast to increase to more than half of the world's livebirths in 2100, to 41·3% (39·6–43·1) in 2050 and 54·3% (47·1–59·5) in 2100. thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00550-6/…
> During the period from 1950 to 2021, global TFR more than halved, from 4·84 (95% UI 4·63–5·06) to 2·23 (2·09–2·38). Global annual livebirths peaked in 2016 at 142 million (95% UI 137–147), declining to 129 million (121–138) in 2021.
In January 2024, deaths exceeded live births in Russia by 78 thousand people, which is 21% more than in Jan 2023 interfax.ru/russia/951913
Russia's population decreased by 495 thousand people in 2023
 
More than halved? Or uh, less than halved?
Kinda confusing
But probably I'm just sleepy
@CowperKettle The officials here have started panicking because people aren't making new soldiers to die on the frontlines anymore
During the Iran-Iraq war Khomeini decided 20 million looks like a cool number, so we should have an army of 20 million basijis.
TFR was around 7
7!
Then they panicked, because such an increase in population (more than doubled in 30 years) was very demanding on the infrastructure.
So people started getting educated on birth control.
A decade ago, they panicked, this time because the "boom"er generation was aging.
They're generally very good at panicking.
Farsi idiom of the day: Being (sb)'s nose hair
Constantly pestering someone.
 
 
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2:17 PM
@jlliagre Muslims fooled me again.
I gave up on Octordle in disgust after missing three in a row on a 4/5.
Why is that fifth letter always the one you guess last?
 
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4:37 PM
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." ---Weisert
 
5:35 PM
I don't think it's possible to earn a living as an on-foot delivery boy
 
 
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6:35 PM
Which word is older miser or economizer ?
 
6:54 PM
@jlliagre Yes. No fair!
 
7:29 PM
All is fair in love and war!
I would guess miser.
 
7:47 PM
@MetaEd And we've never had an undetected visit by aliens.
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8:06 PM
@CowperKettle Foot couriers may be economically viable in densely populated cities with cold and wet climate. New York City, Moscow, London.
They have subway, metro, tube though. If an on-foot courier takes subway, does that still count?
 
@NickAlexeev there are movies about messengers on bicycle
 
@Mitch Bicycle couriers thrived in places like San Francisco. Now they're probably electrified.
Bicycle is tough proposition in ±1°C with both rain and snow.
 
 
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9:21 PM
my past experience moderating ELU should be a great help moderating a Usenet newsgroup that will have basically no traffic.
@Robusto As far as we know, yes.
 
 
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@CowperKettle Ложечка общепитовская?
 
11:45 PM
@NickAlexeev Olim lacus colueram, / olim pulcher exstiteram, / dum cygnus ego fueram. / Miser, miser! / modo niger / et ustus fortiter!
But this is not the black swan you are looking for.
> Olim lacus colueram,
olim pulcher exstiteram,
dum cygnus ego fueram.
Miser, miser!
modo niger
et ustus fortiter!

Girat, regirat garcifer;
me rogus urit fortiter;
propinat me nunc dapifer.
Miser, miser!
modo niger
et ustus fortiter!

Nunc in scutella iaceo,
et volitare nequeo;
dentes frendentes video.
Miser, miser!
modo niger
et ustus fortiter!
> 290. Tyrrhenum Aulesten auidus confundere foedus
aduerso proterret equo ruit ille recedens
et miser oppositis a tergo inuoluitur aris
in caput inque umeros at feruidus aduolat hasta
Messapus teloque orantem multa trabali
That's book 12 of The Aeneid there with miser in it. So yes, I'd say that miser is the elder of the two. But I may be wrong.
The miserable cooked swan is some medieval monk's invention.
Whereas economizer is from the 19th century, formed within English rather than borrowed directly from Latin or adapted from French misère. Charles Dickens in 1842 wrote: "Sarah's as good an economizer as any going."
 

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