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Scrapple, also known by the Pennsylvania Dutch name panhaas or "pan rabbit," is traditionally a mush of pork scraps and trimmings combined with cornmeal and wheat flour, often buckwheat flour, and spices. The mush is formed into a semi-solid congealed loaf, and slices of the scrapple are then pan-fried before serving. Scraps of meat left over from butchering, not used or sold elsewhere, were made into scrapple to avoid waste. Scrapple is best known as a rural American food of the Mid-Atlantic states (Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and West Virginia). Scrapple and panhaas...
 
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Q: Declined Latin nouns in English prose

LaurentiusIn German it was customary to decline Latin words used in German prose. One might, for instance, speak of performing a reductionem ad absurdum, using the the accusative form of the word reductio when it has the function of the direct object. Are there any (relatively recent) examples of this in E...

 
@tchrist I generally decline Latin words when they're offered.
 
Sounds like the cure for lockjaw to me.
 
Never once have I heard anyone perform a reductionem in German.
It is always reductio. Always. Every single time.
 
So, false premise?
 
2:02 PM
No premise at all.
Seeing how English does not even have an accusative form that would be any different from the nominative.
 
I’m virtually never seen what they’re talking about happening in English either.
 
crl
@Robusto let's not squabble
 
Well, they claim that in German you decline the noun in Latin. Supposedly.
 
@RegDwigнt No, but we have accusatory forms, and I don't think you bothered to look them up!
 
Well, there’s Jesu but what else?
JBJ said it's the only noun that still declines in Danish.
Well, but for the genitive.
Oh, the OQ said that it was customary in German. I wonder when.
 
2:07 PM
Genitive singular nouns are normally declined.
Plurals are normally declined.
 
In Dutch oder Deutsch?
 
Deutsch.
 
wow, someone said "latin" and "decline" and poof, Cerberus appears!
 
Dutch normally only has plurals.
 
@Cerberus Is that some kind of Bohemian form of normality?
 
2:09 PM
Are there longer embedded examples of this I could see to get a feel for it?
 
Dative singular masculine and neuter nouns can be declines (add -e), but that is often considered old fashioned / formal, I believe.
@Robusto Oops! Looks more like Romanian.
@tchrist Des grauen Wassers "of the grey water".
 
No no.
With Latin nouns used embedded in German..
 
Oh, you were talking about Latin nouns?
 
Wassers is not especially Latin.
We’re talking about a supercited question.
 
I apologize, I missed that bit. I thought you just used Jesu as a random example.
 
2:11 PM
No apology needed.
 
@Cerberus Romanian, Bohemian, one of those Ians.
 
11. You shall not use Jesu as a random example.
Or was it 1.?
 
But thou mayst.
 
Oh, it's 4., actually.
 
@RegDwigнt Man nennt sie die Zehn Gebote, nicht die zehn Vorschläge.
 
2:12 PM
Vorschläge.
 
Wevs.
 
There aren't many regular people here.
 
Die zehn Wevs.
 
You have a chance to use an umlaut, you grab that chance as fast as you can.
 
@RegDwigнt I think you are not doing this question justice. Perhaps Laurentius knows more about 12th-century German than you do? You didn't even ask which period he was thinking of. — Cerberus 18 secs ago
 
2:13 PM
There. Feel better now?
 
Nobody knows more about 12th century German than I do.
 
@Robusto My Bohemian is rusty...but I do know Romanian has many u's where other Latin languages have o.
 
@RegDwigнt I grabbed that umlaut as fast as I could.
 
How am I not doing a question justice simply by stating what I know?
 
@Cerberus I grabbed that from the same brain bin that the composer Bohuslav Martinu inhabits. I figured I'd try Bohemian first.
 
2:13 PM
May I not state what I know?
Is that a new rule of this site?
 
Sed buenos.
 
@tchrist In Dutch, there is debate about this. Normally, Latin/Greek/German/etc. cases are not declined, but numbers are, just as in English. To inflect for case is somewhat jocular. But it is very well possible that this was done in the past; oddly, I'm not sure.
 
WHAT HER AGAIN?
 
@tchrist Sad buenos. :(
 
2:14 PM
@RegDwigнt Please first fill in these forms.
They are in Bohemian but you'll figure it out.
 
I left a comment stating some facts. You ignored the facts and instead started talking about me vs. Laurentius. That's the very definition of an ad hominem. :-P
Go comment on the facts first, then we'll talk.
When you borrow a word, you borrow the word. You do not borrow the grammar.
 
I think you're right.
 
What is the accusative of perestroika, may I ask you? What is the accusative of 猫?
 
Except.
 
Your comment seemed to contain assumptions and implications.
 
2:17 PM
Sometimes we borrow inflections en masse. Pluralizationally, at least.
 
@RegDwigнt There you are saying "Laurentius is wrong".
 
If you use the accusative of a Latin word in English, that's for one reason and one reason only: to show off that you know what the accusative of that word is in Latin.
 
But that may be because English has a (nominative) plural inflection of its own.
 
I think I have said what I had to say.
 
@Cerberus no, there I am saying "here's something that everyone knows about languages".
 
2:18 PM
Arguably, it also has something of a genitive inflection, but nobody does that.
What we really need now is another city angelorum.
Nope.
 
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A: Should nouns borrowed from Japanese be pluralized?

nohatWould you also insist that Japanese speakers pluralize English words when used in the plural? Once a word has been borrowed into a language, it adheres to the grammar for normal words in that language. We don't borrow Japanese grammar, just words, so there is no need to use a zero plural with b...

 
Dixi.
 
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There, you even summoned Prof. Lawler.
Are you happy now, @Cerberus?
 
I don't know about English, nor about Dutch, for that matter; we should look at old texts.
 
2:19 PM
There are no such phenomena in English. For one thing, unlike German, English has no case system. its speakers are unused to declension or even inflection and don't recognize it when they encounter it; hence they never imitate it. — John Lawler 29 secs ago
 
That.
 
Which is a finer way of saying the exact thing I said.
 
Lawlers is spouting an irrelevancy.
 
You are not spouting anything, so far.
 
If that is a word, he is spouting it.
 
2:20 PM
Impossible. We're verging upon autumn not spring.
 
Autumn? What is it with this faux French? This is an English room. It's called fall.
 
Hi!
 
Gotta hand it to toi there.
 
Wo?
 
toi = you
 
2:23 PM
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on some keyboards
 
Toi = Lette.
 
with vague keys
 
Noun: Lette m ‎(genitive Letten, plural Letten, feminine Lettin)
  1. Latvian (person)
 
Wait, should that be gotta hand it to tu there?
 
2:25 PM
@JohnLawler: For one thing, English did have cases in the past. Laurentius is taking about past usage, not modern usage. Secondly, one may use cases from another language in one's own even if the latter has no cases, if only to show off or to satisfy an OCD urge. In Dutch, which has no real cases, it is at least done jocularly by many people today, but it is probably also done seriously by a few, which is of course why people unlike Laurentius ask such questions about modern English/Dutch. I don't know, but it is quite conceivable that there should be relatively recent examples too. — Cerberus 35 secs ago
 
Answer: no tutus in this chat.
 
crl
@RegDwigнt good one
 
It's on!
Cerberus vs. Lawler.
 
What is Lawler’s totem creature again?
 
He rarely addresses any of my arguments directly, so it will come to nothing.
But it had to be said.
 
2:26 PM
ex nihilo nihil fit
 
Grab bayerische Würstlein.
 
@Cerberus Well. To be fair, as I've been saying for the last 20 minutes, the same is true of you.
You've still not addressed my argument. You only addressed my person.
 
What argument?
 
See.
QED.
 
I think I have addressed what I saw.
 
2:28 PM
@RegDwigнt there's an argument? I thought this was abuse.
 
void room(void);
 
Anyhoo. The answer to the question is, "no, people do not do this in English", and not "yes, people do this in Dutch".
 
This.
 
crl
void fill() {}
 
By this I mean this.
 
2:30 PM
ell has 9 mod candidates nominated so far, with 5 hours to go till that phase closes. let's not speak of the devil.
 
"Scientists hope to swap genetics and sex for sprays to fight moths that damage cabbage crops" I'm having trouble parsing that.
 
crl
swap genetics and sex -> sex and genetics
 
exactly. that seems to be a null operation.
 
Sounds like a clickbaity title for an article that might nevertheless be interesting.
 
Everyone in this room is wrong on the Internet.
 
2:31 PM
they mention scientists so science is possibly involved
leaves internet just to prove I'm right
 
@Mitch Scientists seldom get mentioned in celebrity gossip.
 
poof
@Robusto Angelina Jolie is a scientist
 
@Mitch False. But Hedy Lamarr was!
 
wait.. this isn't celebrity gossip so I guess you're right.
 
@Mitch ␡
 
2:33 PM
Hedy Lamarr (/ˈhɛdi/; born Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler, 9 November 1914 – 19 January 2000) was an Austrian and American film actress and inventor. Lamarr appeared in numerous popular feature films, including Algiers (1938) with Charles Boyer, I Take This Woman (1940) with Spencer Tracy, Comrade X (1940) with Clark Gable, Come Live With Me (1941) with James Stewart, H.M. Pulham, Esq. (1941) with Robert Young, and Samson and Delilah (1949) with Victor Mature. After an early and brief film career in Germany, which included a controversial love-making scene in the film Ecstasy (1933), she fled her husband...
". . . and inventor."
 
@Robusto !! frequency hopping !!
 
Right?!
 
inventrix
 
inventrichor
 
inventress
 
2:34 PM
the smell of success when the filament doesn't burn out immediately
 
Phillip "Phil" LaMarr (born January 24, 1967) is an American actor and voice actor. He was one of the original cast members on the sketch comedy series MADtv, and has had an extensive voice acting career, with major roles spanning animated series Justice League/Justice League Unlimited, Futurama, Samurai Jack, Static Shock, and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends. He has also done voices for video games such as Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4, Mercenaries series, Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance, the Jak and Daxter series, Darksiders, Final Fantasy XII, inFAMOUS, Dead Island and Angry Birds Toons ��2�...
 
inventuary
 
"... and voice actor".
 
@RegDwigнt �����
 
She was is in the National Inventors Hall of Fame. It doesn't get better than that until you get your picture on paper money.
 
2:34 PM
@RegDwigнt it's a hollywood euphemism for inventor
 
�� Angry ��ing Birds ��oons.
Fact: most people do not even know an "inventors hall of fame" is a thing, much less who the f is in there.
 
I � unicode
 
You're better off selling your body to brazzers.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Déjà lu.
 
crl
seems like I'd need Firefox to see your unicodes
 
2:36 PM
@tchrist That never stops anyone from posting in this room
 
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@crl No, those are actually all REPLACEMENT CHARACTER in the original; that’s the jest.
 
Wait... Wes Craven is getting all the obituary news but Oliver Sacks isn't?
 
That's because Oliver Sucks.
In other news: I never realized Wes Craven was any older than 40. Certainly his movies didn't help.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Le salaire de la peur
 
Je suis Charles de Gaulle.
 
2:41 PM
@tchrist I want one!
 
crl
Bonjour mon Général
 
@Robusto ...che nel pensier rinova la paura.
 
One of my office mates wears this:
 
 
Needless to say, it's got the grammer wrong as well as the leading.
Unless, of course, they were trying to poke fun at the fact that Unicode does not have a dedicated codepoint for an esszett followed by a word-break hyphen.
 
2:44 PM
There was an auto-painting place in Chicago, maybe still exists, named for Earl Scheib. On several billboards a few decades ago, someone set the type of the name in all-cap script so that it read: EARL SCHEIẞ.
Earl Scheib was a company which specialized in repainting and collision repair of automobiles, with locations in 23 states in the US. It ceased operations nationwide on July 16, 2010. == Company history == Founded by Earl Scheib (February 28, 1908 – February 29, 1992) in Los Angeles in 1937 the company grew quickly following World War II and by 1975 had branches in Germany and England, all company owned, with Scheib manufacturing his own paint through a wholly owned subsidiary. Earl Scheib's paint-coating systems were used by its company-owned paint and collision repair shops. The paint also was...
Unfortunately they don't mention that in Wikipedia.
 
ẞ is controversial.
 
Apr 13 '11 at 15:08, by RegDwight
Somehow that reminds me of Americans visiting Germany and getting all excited about shop signs saying "Bad Design".
 
heh
 
Is there anything that looks worse, typographically speaking, than tattoos with "Old English" lettering done in all caps?
 
crl
comics sans?
 
2:46 PM
That's too common.
 
How about Chinese tattoos that say "milk, potatoes, sugar"?
 
But people don't know that.
 
But that's what makes them even more über.
 
The calligraphy on the Chinese usually looks fine.
 
Well okay. In that case I vote for tattoos saying "motörhead".
 
2:48 PM
But there is no saving the "Old English" tattoos. They are simply hideous.
 
@Robusto nice
 
@RegDwigнt I'd like to change your mind, but I guess I just don't care enough.
 
Meh.
Everyone who is wrong on the Internet is in this room.
 
@RegDwigнt I'm thinking it's @Gigli and @Cerberus
 
2:50 PM
That's in Albuquerque!
An Earl Scheib in Albuquerque. Prolly right next to Walter White's car wash.
 
Señor Blanco
 
Did you know that before winning the Eurovision Song Contest, Conchita Wurst used to be the Emperor of Ethiopia?
 
That's Haile Selassie Ras Tafari?
 
Rise like a phoenix.
 
2:53 PM
Dieses Video ist nicht verfügbar.
 
Oh, it's plenty verfügbar.
 
Not until you've learned to use the instrumental case of sputnik correctly.
Which sadly I have no idea how to do in English.
 
> I'm sure you're just talking about pierogis and snow and shit, but if you want to see this last card you're gonna stop speaking fucking Sputnik.
 
Shut the fuck up, Donny! V.I. Lenin. Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov!
Some movies have useful quotes for more occasions than there are occasions.
 
@Robusto It's usually awful, actually. Made up characters, missing strokes, wrong shapes, upside down or backwards or sideways...
 
2:57 PM
Wait, since when are we discussing Picasso?
 
Better than the Dalí Llama
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, yes, but most Anglophones don't know that.
 
Near the town of Bad Karma, Westphalien
 
@Robusto thing is, neither do most Anglophones know that there's anything wrong typographically speaking with tattoos with "Old English" lettering done in all caps.
 
3:07 PM
@Mitch Google images that.
 
@RegDwigнt My point is, you could have a bogus hanzi tattoo that might be aesthetically fetching. But all-caps "Old English" never is.
 
@RegDwigнt As in blackletter or insular uncial?
 
And I am right on the Internet as we speak.
 
@Robusto Well. Not to you. Not to me. But we're talking about the people wearing them. And to those they look fine by definition.
 
@RegDwigнt That's just, like, your opinion, man.
 
3:10 PM
Donny, shut the f — when do we play?
 
@RegDwigнt Mr. Treehorn draws a lot of water in this town. You don't draw shit, Lebowski.
 
Mr Treehorn might treat objects like women, but I for one treat commies like mutants.
 
3:25 PM
 
user116848
@Mitch That is one weird pic.
 
> And all the herrings smelling in the sea.
@Mitch Dali llama, obviously.
 
@Arrowfar Yay! You're back!
 
user116848
Yes I am!
 
27 mins ago, by Mitch
Better than the Dalí Llama
 
3:27 PM
See? Once again I'm right.
 
I know! They photo bomb everything
 
3:48 PM
@MattE.Эллен @RegDwigнt I would like to propose that ELU lower its auto-protect from 5 to 3 (undeleted, unupvoted) low-rep answers to match ELL's setting. What do you think?
I came to this proposal after reviewing the last N questions that drew lotsa low-quality answers, often but not always a mult-icollider drive-by effect. I don't know whether altering that setting is something that merits a meta post for community involvement in building a consensus about it. If so, and you think the idea has merit, just let me know.
 
@tchrist You get my vote for that.
 
 
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There are currently 266 close suggestions in the review queue. With 20 close votes each and a generous 1/2 close rate, thats ~6 raters doing as many as they can. That's kind of a lot.
 
 
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6:58 PM
Dutch windmill burned down.
At least it wasn't pre-industrial, but it's still terrible.
 
Now who'll stop the tide?
 
@Robusto This Year's Model?
 
user116848
@Cerberus Ow.
 
7:27 PM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 ding ding ding ding ding we have a winner!
In retrospect I suppose it wasn't that hard, given that it's one of the few albums in which A. EC is shown on the cover, and B. he's looking kinda ornery.
 
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