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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: radley laptop bag Autographed by the same name. Detailed settings are pocket by radlelgl on english.stackexchange.com
 
 
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12:13 PM
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1:16 PM
> Tell me something that you're sure will surprise me.
> Tell me something that you're sure it will surprise me.
> I'm going to tell you something that I'm not sure if will surprise you. -- urgh
> I'm going to tell you something that I'm not sure if it will surprise you.
In these embedded relative clauses I don't know when (not) to drop that it.
(or any other pronoun whose antecedent is described by the outer relative clause)
 
1:47 PM
The that makes that awkward.
I'm going to tell you something that I'm not sure will surprise you.
I'm going to tell you something but I'm not sure if it will surprise you.
My formal grammar is insufficient to explain why those are correct, though.
 
Same here. Or, for that matter, why the others are wrong. Although I can tell you that the it shouldn't be there in either example.
 
2:53 PM
@Færd Whether the sun goes around the earth or the other way isn't a truth, but the same equations with a change in relative coordinates.
On second thought, I'm not so sure that'll be surprising to you.
Anyway, #1 and #4 are correct, the middle two are wrong.
The reason: the 'if'. 'if' introduces a clause that needs an explicit subject. Without the 'if', the slot is filled already.
 
@Mitch Well, the 3rd is also wrong.
*if will
 
@Mitch Disagree. #4 may be colloquial, but I don't believe it's strictly correct. That dis-licenses it, which means you can't have if and you have to change the conjunction.
 
@terdon That is what I said, the middle two. the two between 1 and 4. Two and the one after two.
 
@Mitch Uhm. Yes. I knew that. Of course!
 
@AndrewLeach Oh. uh... right. the correct way should be "I'm going to tell you something that I'm not sure ... will surprise you"
 
3:00 PM
@AndrewLeach Is it even colloquial? That's one weird dialect.
 
@terdon but good to emphasize
@terdon I wouldn't call it dialect but rather a performance problem, that as you're going along you're so far from the beginning of the sentence you forgot who is what and so you repeat somethings.
Which brings up an important question...
Why do people hate Ace of Base so much?
 
@terdon It's colloquial because people say that (because that's how to introduce the next clause) but don't realise that the conditional they want actually requires a but and a different structure, so they carry on regardless.
 
Or is that a more appropriate question for chat.philosophy.SE?
starting a Reddit thread on Ace of Base:haters
"All That She Wants (is another baby)" is a testament to motherly love and for repopulation.
 
3:25 PM
@AndrewLeach Yes, OK. One of those times when bad things happen to good sentences.
 
The Princess Di of sentences
 
4:01 PM
So what is the significance of the different flags on the Capitol building?
 
At least some of them are historical
 
I'm sure there's some intended meaning
could be they always do it that way.
 
The flag of the United States, often referred to as the American flag, is the national flag of the United States. It consists of thirteen equal horizontal stripes of red (top and bottom) alternating with white, with a blue rectangle in the canton (referred to specifically as the "union") bearing fifty small, white, five-pointed stars arranged in nine offset horizontal rows, where rows of six stars (top and bottom) alternate with rows of five stars. The 50 stars on the flag represent the 50 states of the United States of America, and the 13 stripes represent the thirteen British colonies that declared...
 
the two circles have 13 stars each. traditional first flag
of the us
the middle one is the current flag
 
So do the others. Apparently (according to that WP page above) they were the navy version.
 
4:04 PM
the two others...13 stars also but I've never seen that pattern
 
I think that's just Trump's way of demonstrating that he can even square a circle.
 
hey folks, spam at english.stackexchange.com/a/369325/16052 . Surprised it's taken this long to get flagged
 
@choster Ta. Dealt with.
 
gracias amigo
 
Hellow
Do I sound like a native English speaker saying "the quality is fine, however short it is"?
 
4:16 PM
@Gigili What is the context?
 
@choster Reviewing a short translated text, about 5 words
 
@AndrewLeach Actually, there was no official pattern for the stars until the 20th century
Right, but what are the sentences before and after it?
 
White space?
There's none
 
My point is that I don't know what you are trying to express, so it's impossible to say whether your wording is fine or not.
 
There's no errors/typos in the translated text so the quality of translation is fine, but it is a very short translation project so no big deal
 
4:21 PM
Well, that sentence is the sort of thing a native speaker would say. It means "it doesn't matter how short your X is, its quality is fine."
 
"The quality is fine for something this short" suggests the quality might not be adequate for a longer piece. But if you don't want to impugn the quality at all, you're trying to express two separate ideas. "The quality is fine. But it doesn't matter so much for a project this short."
 
@Gigili I'm starting to think that a speaker with a native accent could say almost anything and sound native.
 
"The quality is fine, however short it is" is a little "off" to me, because it sounds as if quality has a length that can vary, which is of course nonsensical
 
'however short it is' is perfectly good English of course
@choster It could have been longer, couldn't it?
 
@choster But it could reference a thing previously mentioned or understood, rather than quality.
 
4:27 PM
@Mitch exactement
 
You know, la coupe Seberg looks good on her.
 
True, but if there's no context, there's no context
 
Like a pixie cut.
 
Thanks, @AndrewLeach, @terdon, and @Mitch.
 
Michelle Williams, right?
What's the opposite of a pixie cut?
I can't picture anybody
Who was that in ...what was it.. Pretty Woman?
Her name starts with a J.
(haha that does not narrow it down)
 
4:29 PM
Coming soon to the activetab: What is the antonym of 'pixie cut'?
 
Is it ... Sia?
 
@Mitch Jimmy John?
 
@Gigili ?? What? No! That's the guy with the sub shops.
Get the bread toasted though, they're excellent.
@Gigili Do you have Jimmy John's in the big T, yet?
 
@Mitch A pixie join, silly.
 
@AndrewLeach Even in #1? I was hoping that one wasn't so awkward.
 
4:35 PM
@Færd #1 is fine, because you don't have it as well as that.
 
And maybe it's not exactly the that that dis-licenses it, but the fact that the it is in a relative clause that describes its antecedent.
> * I'm going to tell you something I'm not sure if it will surprise you.
(no that, still weird)
 
Yes. You need a conjunction of some sort, and I recommend but. However, in that sentence, you are effectively simply omitting that, which means you can't have it.
> I'm going to tell you something I'm not sure will surprise you.
Or, indeed, if.
There may well be a question in here somewhere. My grammar is not up to explaining it.
 
It's like you can't win with these two-fold relative clauses. It's perhaps better to bypass the problem by reformulating the whole sentence as you did with but.
 
@Mitch The big T cannot be betrayed.
 
On the other hand, if the pronoun is not the subject in the inner relative clause, you omit it and it sounds perfectly fine:
> I'm going to tell you something that I'm not sure you will like (it).
Or ... does it?
 
4:46 PM
Yes, that's fine.
 
So the function of the it matters too. Oh dear.
 
@Mitch It has no opposite,
A shape has no opposite
Since hot and cold have opposite effects, it is impossible to assign a shape to cold because it would have to be the opposite but a shape has no opposite. QED.
 
@Mitch Julia Roberts?
 
@MattE.Эллен Hm...I suppose.
Yes.
Mystic Pizza
Oceans 11, 12, and 13
But unfortunately not the Jason Bourne series
 
> The duties of the office on which I am about to enter
On? Why on?
Why anything?
The duties of the office I am about to take up perhaps?
 
4:56 PM
history, I guess
 
It's wording fixed in the Constitution
 
@choster Was that usage ever common? It seems very strange to me.
 
not sure, but it's made its way into the oath all other government officers take as well
 
Huh. I wonder if it's not just a perpetuated typo.
 
FWIW, the military oath uses the office upon which
 
5:01 PM
Well. That's it. It's done. We now have a president named after a cartoon duck.
 
In 1901 "Decisions of the Comptroller of the Treasury" there is a mention of payment being "payable at the office upon which the original was drawn" books.google.com/…
 
@choster Yes, but that's referring to the physical office, not the person holding it, right?
 
@MattE.Эллен History. Pfft
@terdon "The duties of the office up with which I am about to take"
 
Upon wouldn't work in that sense either in current usage, it would be in or at
 
@terdon Can't be. Your Prez is The Donald.
 
5:04 PM
@AndrewLeach Or The Duck, depending :P
@Mitch Yes, much better!
@choster You're quite right, I missed the upon.
 
Is it done then?
 
Yep
 
sighs
 
Aye
 
Thanks.
 
5:05 PM
Up with the duties of the office I am about to take which
 
It was done and dusted five minutes ago, at noon.
Apparently.
 
How many people showed up?
 
@KitZ.Fox grinds teeth
calls to make dentist appointment
 
@KitZ.Fox Many.
 
Oh my god. You know what this means?
 
5:06 PM
More than 500K?
 
Lunchtime.
Mahlzeit!
 
I had a late breakfast. I'll join you later.
 
@KitZ.Fox No idea. Looks like a lot anyway.
 
Wow. Unusually small.
I was actually expecting a large-ish turnout, but it looks like not so many.
@terdon The Mall isn't even packed. That's probably 100K or so. Maybe 200K.
 
Shrugs. I tend to count like one, two, many, many many etc
 
5:10 PM
@KitZ.Fox om nom nom
 
the weather is very unpleasant today, pouring rain and about 40 degrees F (~4 C)
 
Is Bono there?
 
OMG, Trump just rickrolled the entire world!
> I will never, ever let you down
he said
 
Never gonna give you up!!
Didn't Rick Astley and Melanie B get together? I'd expect really good looking kids.
 
 
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6:15 PM
 
I was at the 2009 inauguration. It was packed.
I figured this one would be small when I saw this tweet from 9AM:
> "Taking Metro to my inauguration ceremony location. Smooth ride, quiet, seats available. I've had more trouble getting to a Nats game."
 
Of course there were seats available. Nobody went.
 
I wonder what tomorrow is going to be like.
 
More people.
 
 
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7:37 PM
@KitZ.Fox After all, tomorrow is another day.
 
7:56 PM
@Mitch And it seems like Trump doesn't plan to work weekends
 
8:31 PM
He's planning to rotate between Mar-a-Lago and Trump Tower.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Ooy. It titillates the morbid side of my brain.
Ah, Trump got inaugurated. Time to spend some time on YouTube.
Nah, too soon. No summary videos available yet.
 
9:13 PM
Guerrilla and gorilla are so curiously originally unrelated.
 
9:23 PM
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10:19 PM
@MattE.Эллен omg Andromeda has escaped!
 

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