yeah it sucks that we can't just settle our differences non-violently.

Any position of power could serve as a stand-in for that throne.

So, good news! Rick Santorum is running for President.

Gross!

@Arrowfar And radical terrorism is what touched off the US and Britain. So what are we left with?

If you punch someone in the face, don't cry "He hit me!" when you get one in return.

You have to examine the country you live in. Was it the US who assassinated Benazir Bhutto? Who harbored bin Laden?

@Robusto What does Bhutto's assassination have to do with drone strikes?

@MattE.Эллен No not that many, just one.

@Robusto There's just this one guy with a shitload of guns.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 That's be really expensive. People are very heavy.How about just Antarctica?

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@Mitch Not as satisfying.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ... and then feed them to a big rock crusher.

I bet we could build a really good sun-fling-into-er if we put our minds to it.

some kind of huge foot that slams down on them.

and the ones just about to go in to it have to clean it out first.

How about now?

i just tried a minestrone cup-o-soup. it was OK.

but now i feel hungry for a real dinner

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Or a trebuchet? We'd say it would fling them into the sun, but then say 'oops' when it doesn't get that far.

@Mitch heh I was having the same thought. It could just fling them into the ocean.

@Jez Argh! You feel like you fooled the dinner making gods by getting something cheap and easy to make, but then you have to do it again.

@Jez too bad you've had your salt quota for the day.

nah, i didnt think it would really fill me up. it's like Pot Noodle. you have to have something actually filling with it.

and your petrochemicals quota

@Jez I find ramen noodles pretty satisfying, but yeah, double the salt quota

ramen noodles are probably like pot noodle

and they're not satisfying. i'm starving within half an hour

if anything it makes me hungrier because my stomach starts processing

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 what? in the noodles?

if they did a gestapo cup-o-soup they could just tell you to fill it up from the tap :-)

@Jez yeah that's like raw vegetables. all they do is make me ravenous. Mom: Dinner is almost ready, don't spoil it with that, have some celery! Me: groan

what my mum usually does is have slices of cucumber, carrot, and peppers with some dips

combined with crisps

that's too filling before a sunday lunch...

Gestapo cup-o-soup: it'll wake you up at 4 in the morning and stuff you into the trunk of a car. It's that good!

look at that, tomato soup with a grilled cheese sandwich

i wish i could have that

where is "here"?

that looks like a nice curry

can't say i'd like to eat one in pakistan, but still.

@Arrowfar I made that on the weekend. it was yummy.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 bit of a coincidence.

i need to find a new curry house. my existing takeaway got bought out and rebranded and now it's terrible

@Arrowfar that actually looks just like my madras curries. i suspect it's about 1% as hot though

oh. "butter" doesnt sound spicy

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@Jez You can make it less spicy if you cook it yourself, it's basically the same.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Down, boy. I'm talking about Pakistan in a large context.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh no i like spicy. what i don't like is fishy.

@Arrowfar stop it! it's making me hungry

@Robusto Well, it just doesn't seem to follow. Arrowfar complains that innocent people are killed in American drone strikes and you bring up Pakistan's domestic problems...

of which there are many

but they don't seem relevant

anyway, i'm outta here. have fun y'all

@Arrowfar Food arguments are good arguments. Everyone is right!

And if you agree even better!

Like, for example, whatever you may have against McDonald's, you can't deny that they have the absolute best french fries.

well, shoestring style. for curly fries or spicy fries...

@Arrowfar Yeah, I have my opinions but they're not really based on hard facts, just vague notions of that guy is a jerk, and these people are not total jerks, and this other guy seems to mean well, but what about saving the poor polar bears?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I'm just circling around the observation that Pakistan is an unstable country, with nukes, one that sponsors terrorism, and so they make some countries nervous, and that leads to all kinds of shit. Crazy shit. And I don't mean by this to absolve anybody, only to set the stage for what is really going down.

@Arrowfar no, as in tasting like fish

@Arrowfar Not the official government, but there are those in the military with close ties to terrorists. And the big screaming fear among Western nations is that some jihadist is going to get the capability to nuke New York. Because we know if the terrorists ever did get hold of a nuke they would not hesitate, not for one second, to use it.

The government doesn't even control all the territory, as you yourself attest.

And let me say this, if ever a Pakistani nuke should blow up New York, what do you suppose will happen next?

The least — the very least — that will happen will be that Pakistan is ostracized from the world, starved and sanctioned into oblivion while the rest of the world goes into a recession the likes of which would make what happened in 2008 look like child's play. And there are worse things that could happen.

I'm not speaking out of bragadocio, or to threaten—I have nothing to threaten with. All I'm saying is what I suspect will happen. I've been alive several decades longer than the rest of this chatroom, and I kind of know how things tend to come down.

@Arrowfar you've got to admit, it wouldn't really be possible without Islam

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You're linking two things that I myself did not link. I'm trying to explain the larger context of the world's, or the West's, nervousness about Pakistan. And I was trying to do it, earlier, on a tablet. So I didn't elaborate a great deal.

@Arrowfar not really. there are plenty of parts of the Quran that could be interpreted to be unpeaceful, and there's the whole dhimmi tradition toward non-Muslims

yeah but all they're really doing is going back to the old days

how did Islam spread through Mesopotamia, north Africa, and Iberia?

@Arrowfar it would be good if you could come on the youtube Jiinn & Tonic show

we talk about Islam in the 21st century and we've been wanting to actually have someone Islamic on for ages :-)

it might fall into the hands of people who take the "final battle" rhetoric a bit too seriously

the west has fucked up the islamic world a bit

but at the end of the day if you were Jainists it would be peaceful there

@Arrowfar mostly one local state is doing the sponsoring (your neighbor on the other side of Afghanistan)

@Arrowfar I thought I explained that.

Terrorists + nukes = Armageddon.