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1:00 PM
Now anyway, will you please excuse me while I'm still dragging a line from Ostfriesland to Australia in my browser.
@Cerberus it's only the UE to OTAN.
But Wotan >> OTAN, so we don't care.
 
@RegDwigнt It's 12000 miles.
 
Wodan1
> ab Европатәи Аидгыла
af Europese Unie
als Europäische Union
am አውሮፓ ህብረት
ang Europisce Gesamnung
an Unión Europea
arc ܚܘܝܕܐ ܐܘܪܘܦܝܐ
ar الاتحاد الأوروبي
arz اتحاد اوروبى
ast Xunión Europea
az Avropa İttifaqı
bar Eiropäische Union
bat_smg Euruopas Sājonga
ba Европа берләшмәһе
be_x_old Эўрапейскі Зьвяз
be Еўрапейскі Саюз
bg Европейски съюз
bm Eropa Jɛkulu
bn ইউরোপীয় ইউনিয়ন
br Unaniezh Europa
bs Evropska unija
bxr Европын холбоо
ca Unió Europea
cbk_zam Unión Europea
ceb Unyong Uropeyo
ce Европан барт
But OTAN is nice, yeah.
 
Syriac?
 
@RegDwigнt Have you tried clearing the "here" field and right-clicking on the map, to select "directions from here"?
 
1:02 PM
@tchrist Yes, it helps with a bad cough.
 
So 16867.29 km it is.
 
@RegDwigнt Man is Norfolk ever pithed!
 
I was off by a little. 10K miles
 
1 hour ago, by RegDwigнt
Good thinking. But ten thousand miles off.
Thank Allah I said "miles" there.
That makes me be off by what, nothing?
 
Ojalá
 
1:04 PM
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: One day the great silver birds will come again bringing their bounty [status-by-design]
 
@RegDwigнt Huh, what the fuck!
How did you do that?
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: One day the great silver birds will come again bringing their bounty [design-by-status]
 
I never get that black line, only a route.
 
A nautical mile is a single arc minute at the equator.
It is a natural measurement.
 
1:06 PM
That is probably some other websites that uses Google's map?
 
@tchrist Oh yeah? Did you ever go down and measure one? It's damned difficult, I can assure you.
 
@Robusto Just go at 60 knots; won’t take too long.
 
@tchrist 60 knots through the jungle?
 
Ohhh.
I have never seen that.
 
1:07 PM
@tchrist so is a kilometer.
 
@Robusto You would be amazed at what they can do these days with those riding rototillers.
 
@RegDwigнt That reminds me of a creepy old Bavarian folk tale I read once, where the witch always said to the Kinder, "Kommst du hierher."
 
It's just that you take a different random line around the Earth, and divide it by a different totally random number.
 
@RegDwigнt No, the kilo is unnatural.
I might cede you meter though.
 
@RegDwigнt Pretty cool!
 
1:08 PM
@tchrist I am being serious here. Explain to me what makes a difference to you.
 
I didn't know the new Gmaps could do that.
 
@tchrist oh that. Yeah, meter. Whatever.
But it's the same.
 
The old one could only do it with a plug-in from their "labs".
 
You can divide it by X and get a meter, or you can divide it by Y and get a kilometer.
 
@Cerberus What, dogs have plugins now?
 
1:09 PM
The equator is no more natural than a meridian, and an arc is no less artificial than Paris.
 
Sure.
Ear plugs, mouth plugs...
 
@RegDwigнt Maritime heritage. So many ships in New Scandihoovia. The Edmund Fitzgerald.
 
@RegDwigнt Except during the Rococo.
 
@tchrist meh. That's on-top ballast. Doesn't count.
 
@RegDwigнt You aren’t one of those mean Paris Mean Time heretics are you?
 
1:10 PM
You might as well say "I like Réaumur because it has the most Us".
@tchrist no, the meter was determined using Paris, I thought.
@Robusto there, @Cerberus, there you have it. Rob found it. The term for pleonastic pleonasm is "creepy old Bavarian".
 
@RegDwigнt Wait a minute... that's great arc distance (if it's skimming the ground). I can't use that. My ground skimming satellite is in the garage.
 
As long as it's in the garridge and not the gahrahj, you should be safe from the anti-Arabic police.
 
I'm exaggerating. I don't really have a garage.
 
A car hole is enough.
 
how about the guh-radge?
 
1:13 PM
That's way too adgy for me.
 
@RegDwigнt You should see the roads here with all the potholes exposed after the permafrost temporarily melted.
 
Why should I see the roads here with all the potholes exposed after the permafrost temporarily melted?
I really don't think I should.
 
Petitio principii is not the same as pleonasm.
 
Your princippi is petitio.
2
 
1:16 PM
@tchrist see, what is the point of that slogan? Would anybody ever say "hate [our product]"?
 
What do you think about I really don't think I should?
 
@RegDwigнt "Who'll pay for the crimes of Paris?" —Elvis Costello
 
Total waste of white paint.
@Mitch Why do you say what do you think about I really don't think I should?
 
@RegDwigнt It’s what the Audi speedometer looks like on these hither shores.
 
 
1:18 PM
No Audi in the entire history of mankind has ever driven −50. French tanks have, yes. German cars, never.
 
@RegDwigнt What does your mother think about all of this?
 
@Mitch "is that all they're paying you for?"
 
@RegDwigнt For most cars, driving 130 is equally unlikely. But I own an Audi, and I can even set cruise control at 130.
 
@RegDwigнt What's the point of all of advertising?
It just stinks. It is an insult to the intellect.
 
@Cerberus The point is for the advertising agencies to make money. Duh.
 
1:20 PM
Exactly.
It like asking, what is the point of manslaughter?
Of a tornado?
 
@Cerberus I can't tell you my friend the point of all of advertising, but my uncle Prince Ndugu Mbebe can. Problem is, he's stuck in Africa right now and can't travel to your place because no airplane will fit all his money. So please kindly tell me your banking details to send you the money for my uncle's accomodation. Thank you.
 
@Cerberus Manslaughter of a tornado?
 
@Cerberus To serve as a bass counterpoint to the tinny laughter of women.
 
@RegDwigнt I only have cash.
@Robusto "[What is the point] of a tornado?"
 
@Cerberus it is okay, just give me the numbers on the banknotes. Thank you.
 
1:27 PM
@tchrist Sag mir, wo die Blumen sind.
 
@Cerberus I know. Just pulling your chain.
 
@RegDwigнt Seven.
@Robusto You're a mean cur.
 
@Cerberus Not so tinny.
 
@Cerberus now now Mr Cerberus, no banknote number begins with a seven.
Even Wikipedia knows that.
Just like the checksum is never 0.
 
@tchrist But nice, huh?
 
1:30 PM
Dunno, my ears are being occupied by a meeting.
 
@RegDwigнt It's still seven and you know it.
 
@Cerberus No, it’s half past.
 
@tchrist I thought you knew it.
Really, is it that early?
 
tchrist% date
Fri Apr 24 07:30:12 MDT 2015
 
@Cerberus He really oughta show it
 
1:31 PM
@Cerberus He uses the French 10-hour system. Every hour takes three hours and a half.
 
Weird.
 
@Cerberus Late, late, late.
7:30 is late.
 
@RegDwigнt And then siesta?
 
All the worms gotten have already been.
 
So if MDB is Mitglied des Bundestages and MDL is Mitglied des Landtages, is MDT then Mitglied der Taliban?
 
1:33 PM
Why do they abbreviate articles as capitals?
In Dutch, we normally don't do that.
 
They don't.
I do.
Problem?
 
You rascal.
We do have DNB, De Nederlandsche Bank.
Probably because NB is nota bene.
 
De Kinderspeelplaatse Bank.
 
That would be one word.
And without the -e.
Where did you learn Dutch spelling??
 
Where did you learn Dutch spelling?
And why didn't you learn something proper instead?
 
1:37 PM
Because it is the most important thing in the world.
 
My spelling was impeccable, BTW. You're objecting to the grammar. I spelled precisely what I wanted to spell.
 
Especially the "tussen-n".
 
Tussen statt Russen.
 
Then you want the wrong things.
What?
Tussen = zwischen.
 
Everybody always wants the wrong things.
Nobody ever wants the right things.
@Cerberus tell me something I don't know.
 
1:38 PM
Seven.
 
Actually no, let me tell you something you don't know.
Back in oh I dunno, 1997 perhaps, there were some efforts to attract more high-quality educated specialists to Germany.
This resulted in a number of campaigns, notably for Indians.
Basically if you were a highly skilled Indian engineer, you'd get a greencard and help with the accomodation and getting your family over and everything.
So anyway, naturally there also was resistance.
To make it short, one CDU politician, Jürgen Rüttgers, coined the catchy slogan "Kinder statt Inder".
I.e., you want professionals, go make yourself some German professionals, who needs Indians.
 
Haha.
Yes, I got that.
Lovely maxim.
 
And naturally, a lot of sarcasm followed.
So one late-night show I used to watch at that time coined a couple of further slogans.
Here perhaps I should mention, though I did so before, but you've forgotten, and so I should mention it again: Tussen is German for "chicks", "bimbos".
 
Ah.
 
And so I think they coined three or four slogans, and I only remember two.
 
1:42 PM
Now I see where this is going.
 
And so one of them was "Tussen statt Russen".
 
Thither.
 
And the other one was very funny, but you'll need a lot of grammor skillz to parse.
 
@RegDwigнt Das ist selbstverständlich.
 
"Alte mit Gebrechen statt gesunder Tschechen".
 
1:43 PM
"Alte mit Verbrechen statt gesunder Tschechen".
 
Yeah that one wouldn't quite work like that, but I see you're at least parsing alright.
 
@RegDwigнt Metric clocks are works of art: the hour hand traverses an arc in the z-axis rising above the ordinary clock-face. With 10 metric hours per metric day, the clock face is numbered from Ⅰ to V and traversed twice. The first hour of the morning ends at Ⅰ which is at 144° clockwise from the top of the circle at 0°, which is marked Ⅴ. Hour Ⅱ is at 288°, hour Ⅲ is at 72°, and hour Ⅳ is at 216°. After that you’re back to Ⅴ and start again for the useless half of the day’s own 5 hours.
 
"Old people with infirmities rather than healthy Czechs".
 
So the hour hand moves in a pentagram.
 
How was that "a lot of grammar skills"?
 
1:45 PM
@tchrist what kind of 144°? The rubbish capitalist 360 or the proper degrees of which there are 1000?
 
I was trying to parse it differently so as to get at some secondary meaning...
 
@Cerberus come on, it takes quite some fluency in German to parse "Alte mit Gebrechen".
 
@RegDwigнt The Babylonian one. It has a long heritage.
 
Does it?
 
For starters, the first word.
 
1:46 PM
Old people?
 
No, not old people.
It just says old.
 
With faults?
 
It'd be very easy if it said "old people" or "the old". But it just says "old".
 
Well, it is declined, and without a noun, so it must be old people.
 
Who said it's declined? Who said there's no noun? Perhaps it comes later on?
 
1:47 PM
Old people are prone to lying.
 
It doesn't, it is plain to see.
 
And why is the verb capitalized?
 
@Cerberus Just go with it man. Say "Yes, that was difficult"
 
Pah.
 
@tchrist lying down
 
1:48 PM
@RegDwigнt That's not a verb silly. How many more times do I have to teach you German?
 
@Cerberus it is hard to appreciate the subtleties of learning a language if you don't have to learn the language.
@Cerberus exactly. How do you tell it's not a verb? It ends in -en. That's all they told me in school.
 
It has a capital, dude.
And a preposition.
 
Yes, why? Why to both. What is this grammar?
 
However, in the underworld, time runs widdershins, and so Cerb’s clock face is upsidedown. This explains his sleeping hours.
 
This is precisely what I'm talking about.
You cannot parse it unless you already can.
 
1:50 PM
@tchrist but he's looking at it through a mirror, so it still looks clockwise. Therefore the confusion.
 
All I am saying is that my German is not super, and yet it understood it immediately, as did Rob.
 
And the kicker is, even a native speaker can't parse the first word correctly until he reads the very last one.
 
Meh.
 
@Cerberus I didn't get the comma. What is that supposed to mean?
 
The Alte remains ambiguous until you encounter Tschechen.
 
1:50 PM
@Mitch No no no, Ⅴ o’clock is the point at the top of the circle.
 
@Cerberus yes, go grab a medal.
 
The top in the mirror is the top in real life... isn't it?
 
@Mitch Koptô means to strike. It is when you strike the paper with your pen, I think.
@RegDwigнt All I'm saying is it's easy.
 
When upside down, the tiny halfpoint is Ⅰ.50 o’clock. (There are 100 minutes per hour.)
 
meddle, medal, mettle, metal
 
1:51 PM
@Cerberus All I'm saying is there's easier things.
 
Such as?
 
I never said it wasn't easy.
 
Tussen was more difficult.
 
@Cerberus see. Now I could produce a long tirade how it isn't.
 
@Cerberus Yeah. I thought they were coughing
 
1:52 PM
For starters, I already told you about it, and more than once.
 
But you wouldn't know!
 
Coughin' instead of Russian
 
So certainly that makes it less difficult.
 
You don't know what it's like to have three heads but no memor.
See, I even forgot the.
Or ate it.
 
I do know.
 
1:53 PM
Prove it.
 
You forgot that I am you.
QED.
 
You lack the heads, man.
Oh.
Now that you mention it, we are the same.
 
@Cerberus I thought you were our memento mori.
 
@Cerberus As does the USA. What's your point?
 
I thought Jarred Harris was our Mori.
 
1:56 PM
@tchrist It is you who memento, not I!
@terdon That means it's bad.
@RegDwigнt Is that a fun series?
 
@Cerberus Sorry, I have a corrupt arena; memory allocation retrieval is no longer reliable. I expect to dump core soon.
 
Note to self for next Winter bash: a 250-upvote and 30k-view question for the main site. "Is there a gender-neutral alternative to memento?"
 
@RegDwigнt mementa, silly.
 
You're silly. Yours still got men in it.
 
@RegDwigнt I'm even sillier, I gave the female one
 
1:59 PM
A mena does not make you a woman.
 
Nah, that's a hymena.
 
That jingle. That stupid damn jingle. I still play it on the piano every other week.
 
It's not the cheapest chord progression.
And now I misspole chord as code. I am officially a nerd.
 
2:02 PM
@tchrist Nooo not the warp core again!
 
@tchrist that logo makes me want to buy a hijab to protect myself from the acid green.
Then again, maybe it is an ad for hijabs.
What do I know.
 
@RegDwigнt New Colorado state flag.
 
And why did I even say hijab, I meant burqa quite obviously.
 
BURN THE HERETRIX!
 
That is how much the color messes with my brain.
 
Oh come one Google what the heck.
Switch to satellite. There's nothing of that kind there.
This will not help our relations with Pakistan.
 
Haha poor @arrowfar .
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 hmmm. it doesn't look like that in google earth!
 
she's not the girl next door or a girl from france
or the cigarette girl with the sizzle-hot pants
all the words of love seeming cool and crass
. . .
your everyday girl in an everyday mask
who'll pay for the crimes of paris?
 
@MattE.Эллен Oh, I had a dream about you. It turns out you're a terrible driver.
Must be because you weren't used to driving on the right side of the road
 
2:11 PM
Nice.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 oh dear! I'd better keep on not driving then :D
 
For some reason you were driving me around Toronto, but you never followed my directions, and ended up parking your car on the grass instead of in the parking lot, and then you couldn't get the trunk open and I didn't want to leave my coat just sitting there in your open convertible.
 
That's so gay.
 
Gay as in jolly?
 
For he's a gay good fellow, which nobody can deny.
 
2:19 PM
No comment.
 
Precisely. You are unwilling to deny it, either.
 
Last night I dreamed my house was a spaceship (really!) and my mother's friend was navigating it because we had to launch some satellites into orbit. Then we landed on Mars somehow. I remember seeing Alaska and part of Russia on the globe.
We were a bit scared, because we would crash if she failed.
But she succeeded.
 
@Cerberus pft, I've seen alaska on the globe lots of times
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 On the actual globe?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 lol. dreams are great!
 
2:24 PM
I refuse to see Alaska for fear of Palins.
 
@Cerberus On an actual globe.
 
There is only one actual one!
The other ones are potential.
 
@RegDwigнt Careful, she can see Rooshia from her porch.
 
She's a maverick.
You know, once you realize they have Palin, you sort of understand Russia's decision to get rid of it, and for just $25k.
Next up Putin will sell you Turkmenistan for $10.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 don't ride the water slide
 
2:29 PM
enh. It's sterile
 
heyguys, what does it mean "There is no "stalking prong""?
i never heard the word "prong"
 
@Sosi link for context? Or copy paste the whole sentence
 
There is no "stalking prong" to the Domestic Abuse Act.
 
a little more...the whole paragraph?
 
It's just this :\
 
2:33 PM
it is probably being used metaphorically, and referring to the use somewhere previous in the article (or possibly outside the article)
 
oh
but what does it mean?
 
@Sosi but it has to come from some context like a conversation then
Do you know the literal meanings?
 
a prong is like a tine
 
isn't it possible to give any synonim or something?
tine?
 
2:34 PM
(sorry, english is my 2nd language, missing these words)
 
like Matt said, a prong is a tine or maybe a pointy horn
 
what's a tine?
oh
 
the point of a fork
 
i see i see!
thank you so much @Mitch and @MattE.Эллен
 
stalking means you're following someone around in a sneaky manner.
 
2:35 PM
that i knew :) just not the prong part eh
 
so those together a stalking prong'... doesn't make literal sense.
 
could it refer to the way legal attacks/defenses are said to have "prongs"?
 
so you need to tell us more context
 
like, a two-pronged attack is an attack that has two parts, or comes from two directions
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 yes
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 this is related with a legal case
 
2:36 PM
So an "X prong" would be a standard form of attack or defense named "X"
 
> There was also insufficient evidence to satisfy the stalking prong of the statute.
 
Like, a standard defense against a homicide charge might be the "I couldn't have done it" prong combined with the "It would have been self-defense anyway" prong
 
It seems to refer to two conditions to be met to satisfy a law or something.
 
so a synonim could be There was also insufficient evidence to satisfy the stalking attack of the statute.
 
> We need a noun to act as the direct object of the copula. Both the infinitive and the gerund serve this purpose.
Wait.
 
2:37 PM
?
 
Copulae have no direct objects.
 
I see
 
@Sosi No, you can't substitute "attack" for prong
 
Oh.. it's literal then. It's a prong or point or one issue of the statute about 'stalking', when someone stalks another person (and that is considered domestic abuse)
 
@Mitch the only pint i know are the drinkable :P
 
2:38 PM
@Sosi Do you have more than that one sentence for context?
 
ha ha fixed
 
@Cerberus you should post that.
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A: "is to make sure" vs "is making sure"

KevinWe need a noun to act as the direct object of the copula (i.e. "is"). Both the infinitive ("to verb") and the gerund ("verbing") serve this purpose, and provide the same grammatical meaning in this particular context. To my native ear, the gerund sounds smoother, but the infinitive sounds more ...

 
the stalking prong of the statute -> the 'anti-stalking' provision of the statute
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the only thing I can give out is that it is a case in which someone is being accused of stalking
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 no. jumping to conclusions.
 
2:40 PM
@Sosi So someone is accused of stalking. And in that nebulous context, someone utters the phrase "There is no 'stalking prong' of [some Law]'"
 
There is no "stalking prong" to the Domestic Abuse Act. Instead, there must be a finding of domestic abuse.
Any synonym for that?
 
"There are no provisions in the domestic Abuse act to account for stalking"
 
Well, without further context, that seems to me that it says there is nothing in the domestic abuse act about stalking.
But I am not a lawyer. And lawyers LOVE to invent language and then make rules about how it is to be interpreted.
 
Of course there are things like restraining orders, but those have to be in place already to protect the victim.
 
jesus ya
 
2:41 PM
I am off to mute commies. Cheerio.
 
Legal is its own language, practically, that only superficially resembles English.
It would help to know who uttered the phrase, or at least in what role they uttered it. A judge making a ruling? A lawyer making an argument?
It would also help to have the full text of the law
and all the case law related to it, if you're in a jurisdiction that recognizes precedents
 
@Sosi I'd guess "attack" really ought to be "provision" there. But I am not a lawyer, so I can't say for sure.
 
Reg is right that copulae don't have direct objects: they have subject complements. Apart from that, the answer is fine. It is true that infinitives and gerunds can serve as nouns, because they can be both verb and noun at the same time (noun externally, verb internally). — Cerberus 29 secs ago
 
A statute wouldn't have attacks. It has provisions.
 
@reg ^
 
2:44 PM
I see
now i only need to find the translation to portuguese x)
 
Or, as they say, 95% of lawyers give all lawyers a bad name... — SWeko Feb 28 '11 at 14:00
 
@Robusto I dunno. Think how hard it is to get programmers to agree on programming languages, and then think how hard it is to write bug-free code in a language that lacks ambiguity. Now imagine trying to write that code in English.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I am waiting for computers to respond meaningfully to the command: "Do what I want. Right now."
 
@Robusto not me! I'd be out of a job!
 
But if you had such a device you would never have to work again.
 
2:55 PM
But you'd have to spend so much time maintaining that device that you' go back to work to get a rest
@Sosi don't try to translate those two words literally.
 
ya ya, I changed it slightly
i spoke with the guy that asked me this and we clarified it
:)
thanks!
 
better to translate meanings than words.
words are way too idiosyncratic with all their connotations.
 

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