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12:58 AM
@Robusto I don't think so. I am running BSD now, was running BSD 15 years ago, and was running BSD 15 years before that. Virtually everthing that matters feels the same, and even non-BSD systems feel like BSD.
 
 
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9:08 AM
@Robusto I don't think so. I am using LSD now, was using LSD 15 years ago, and was using LSD 15 years before that. Virtually everthing that matters feels the same, and even non-LSD systems feel like LSD.
 
9:41 AM
"It's not like the date's ambiguous." is correct apostrophe usage, right?
 
Of course. Yes in both cases.
 
10:00 AM
Amazing that people still think a date’s ambiguous. They just don’t give a fig.
I don’t know that I’d ever eat candied locusts like those out of choice, though.
 
@tchrist it's amazing that 300 million people think 9/11 didn't happen on November 9th.
 
Well, the Fifth of November was already taken.
My dates are never ambiguous. You just have to prescreen.
Preferably using the Paul Hogan method.
 
You call that a date? This is a date!!
 
> Il est inopportun d’exiger qu’une date donnée sous la forme d’un nombre de secondes comptées à partir d l’Epoch rende précisément compte du nombre de secondes écoulées entre le moment représenté el l’Epoch. — IEEE Std 1003.1b-1993 (POSIX) Section B.2.2.2
Which is French for “Fuck leap seconds.”
But the phrase is much more élégante in French, don’t you think?
 
10:16 AM
d l'?
What is this grammer?
 
Well, feel free to fix it. :)
 
I'm not fixing no POSIX.
 
I was reading from a book, not looking at the screen or keyboard. It is the special superpower I have.
 
Dude. Come on. Nobody has the superpower to read a book.
 
I always got in trouble for reading when I wasn’t supposed to as a wee lad because they could see my fingers moving.
 
10:55 AM
@tchrist So you're participating in this chat via BSD?
I didn't know SE had an emacs version of chat, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
Emacs is fine. We don't discriminate against total losers with no life.
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gesternt.
 
Gesterday, all my troubles seemed so far aweg.
 
@Robusto Opera works.
 
jetzt looks it so as they here to stay're
 
11:00 AM
Oprah doesn't.
 
But it is slow because my machine is 9000 years old.
 
That can't be true. It is 5000 years old at most.
 
At least it isn't OVER 9000.
 
wow, that's almost as old as you
you must've been very young when you started computing.
 
@Robusto at least is never over.
 
11:02 AM
@GeorgePompidou Dude, this is El Salón Incomprensible, not the Pompidou Center.
 
The next James Bond movie.
@Robusto have you seen the Pompidou Center?
 
@RegDwigнt Oui.
 
Looks quite a lot like an incomprehensible saloon to me.
 
it certainly is visually striking
to say the mindestens
 
@RegDwigнt How would you look if your plumbing was routed around outside your skin?
 
11:03 AM
endlich habe ich meinen BahnCard 50™ erhalten
^.^
 
@Robusto I would look gorgeous, and attractive, and very, very smart.
Glad you asked.
 
aggressively opens mail
 
I think you mean tres chic.
 
just tears it to shreds with giant teeth
 
@Robusto Nonono, you're thinking of le freak.
@GeorgePompidou go sell it on eBay as the last BahnCard ever issued, because it likely is.
 
11:05 AM
whoa, wirklich?
 
It's a matter of public knowledge that they will nuke it.
 
warum?
 
Because they can.
And because they are die Bahn.
 
they're great! I already made all my money back on it on my first trip.
and I'm reising mit 100% Ökostrom!
 
See. One more reason for them to nuke it.
Lol @ Ökostrom.
 
11:06 AM
which I just assume means there will be lots of geese on the train with me.
I don't know why, that's what that means in my head.
 
@GeorgePompidou I think they said ganz gut, not Gans gut.
 
dude, come on, the Germans are so ahead of the game in terms of renewable energy.
relatively
 
Ökostrom means that someone paid to come up with smoke and mirrors came up with some mirrors, and hid the smoke in the ozone layer.
@GeorgePompidou were. Then they all went bankrupt, and now China is in the lead, and will stay there because there's zero competition for decades to come.
 
my last minute tickets on the ICE to Nürburg were a steal. I'm practically schwarzfahring
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: El salón incomprensible or Centre Georges Pompido—you be the judge [status-by-design]
 
11:08 AM
Pompido?
 
room topic changed to English Language & Usage: El salón incomprensible or Centre Georges Pompidou—you be the judge [status-by-design]
Stupid fingers.
 
wunderbar!
 
Georges Pompido, en ga-aa-arde, Georges Pompido, Georges Pompido.
 
so, I guess I'm a winner for getting my BahnCard in the last minute.
 
Yes. You're I. C. Winner.
 
11:10 AM
No. We said Georges, not George.
 
struts around showing everyone my Ökostrom hologram strip
 
Yeah. That hologram was totally produced with no emissions at all.
 
how much emissions does it take to produce a hologram?
 
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Q: Stack Exchange's Dirty Search Engine Tactics

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I am also not quite sure what an emissions is.
huh?
 
11:12 AM
Someone posts some idiocy on the Internet, then complains that the idiocy stays on the Internet.
 
in Tavern on the Meta on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 6 hours ago, by Shog9
@InfiniteRecursion EL&U is pretty OK, but you gotta avoid the chatroom at all cost. And @tchrist.
 
In other news, a sack of rice is about to fall over in China.
 
sips on some refreshing Schwip Schwap® and watches funny question
 
But is it Chinese rice or Japanese rice?
 
Because we care!
 
11:14 AM
That’s like a day-nursery for toddlers.
 
The funniest part is that they are genuinely convinced that we want their shit to stay on the Internet, that people will search for their shit, and that we totally want to be the first hit for shit.
 
hits4shits!
 
@RegDwigнt You mean we're not?
 
Feeling bitter, are we?
 
11:16 AM
@Rob I could use your help in something super stupid.
 
Here, I placed some excrements on your porch. And now I want to vandalize the excrements on your porch. Why won't you let me, you search engine whore?
 
@tchrist You've come to the right place for that.
 
It’s stupid because my normal Mac is fritzing to my regular tools aren’t under my fingertips.
 
OK, shoot.
 
Two questions: first, do you remember that site that simulates what an image looks like to people of different ages?
 
11:17 AM
Not ages. Different color abilities.
 
That one I do remember.
The other I do not.
Let me show you the problem and maybe you can think of a tool that measures it.
 
OK.
 
The problem is that the contrast is too low on the SO silver badge display, but not on the ELU one.
Is there a way to measure that?
Yes.
Do I know how?
Not without an eyedropper and data and an algorithm.
 
You mean a tool to measure relative contrast?
 
Furthermore, because it turns into just a difference in greyscale, because our eyes react logarithmically, it is even shittier.
Yes.
That. But taking into account the human vision model.
 
11:20 AM
Hmm, lemme think.
 
So the relative contrast between the silver display and its background on the two respective site profiles.
 
Er. Just take GIMP and convert the image to grayscale.
Am I missing something here?
 
So that would give me a single number for all four sampling points.
I wonder whether it really quite works though.
 
@tchrist Here you go.
 
Because part of contrast detection is with the double-opponent cells in color vision.
 
11:22 AM
That's the contrast for the ELU one.
 
Yeah, that's just what I was looking for. Thanks loads.
 
Neither, I should point out, is compliant.
 
can I count on something called Textilpflege to offer services similar to those of a dry cleaners?
namely, to wash and press my shirts
 
@Robusto boah. You just invented a time machine to the nineties.
That page is so... Yahoo.
 
@Robusto Define compliant?
 
11:24 AM
@RegDwigнt Hey, Community is on Yahoo now. If you can get Yahoo Screen.
 
@Robusto yes, and their winnings are through the roof with 21 million. Million! That's a lot of sponduli, man.
 
@tchrist 508 compliant.
 
Anyway. That page really tells me "you don't want to be using this. you are bored. you are so so so much bored. you want to die, but you're too lazy to".
 
Help me out here.
 
In 1998 the US Congress amended the Rehabilitation Act to require Federal agencies to make their electronic and information technology accessible to people with disabilities. Section 508 was enacted to eliminate barriers in information technology, to make available new opportunities for people with disabilities, and to encourage development of technologies that will help achieve these goals. The law applies to all Federal agencies when they develop, procure, maintain, or use electronic and information technology. Under Section 508 (29 U.S.C. § 794d), agencies must give disabled employees and members...
 
11:26 AM
I never remember the Levi’s numbers.
k
 
Gah. 508, 1973, 1998, 508, (29, 794).
What is this maths?
 
@tchrist: You can try this tool as well: juicystudio.com/services/csstest.php
 
It even has a Spanish version.
 
BTW, compliance is for text/background contrast.
@RegDwigнt And a deluxe booklet!
 
Puedes probarlo.
@Robusto don't booklet me down.
 
11:30 AM
@Robusto Those ones just show algorithms, I think?
 
Sometimes they show algorithms, sometimes they show algo else.
 
Why is the ELU difference easier to see than the SO one given that those numbers suggest the reverse?
Is it our yellow–blue opponency in action?
 
How to express the proportion of office managers who do not use Comic Sans for posting notes above the sink in the kitchen . . . I think zero comes close.
 
My hand isn’t consistent enough for that.
Taste notwithstanding.
 
Managers who post notes about the sink in the kitchen in any font should get a free ticket to Guantanamo.
 
11:34 AM
@RegDwigнt But it would be funnier if we made them pay for the ticket.
 
Once in Guantanamo, they will pay alright.
I don't think you're up to date on how Guantanamo works.
 
If we were smart, we would give Guantanamo back to Cuba as a "getting reacquainted" gift. Then it's their problem.
 
Yes. What with Obama's new policy. Would make for another nice gesture.
 
But of course, that all hinges on "if we were smart" . . .
 
You could totally be smart if only you drank more electrolytes.
 
11:36 AM
Ok, so the color difference for ELU is 24 vs 23 on SO. The RGB are too tight on SO and therefore we respond non-linearly to brightness differences, but with SO, there is a hue difference. Just look at the triplets: the SO ones are all three the same in RGB but the ELU ones are not.
 
Not sure what you're even after there, tchrist.
 
The SO contrast ratio is given as 1.07 versus ELU’s 1.08 — so why does it seem so different to me?
 
I do find the ELU contrast ever so slightly higher, but I don't need a tool to tell me that.
 
I am surprised my eye noticed so small a different as 1.08 being better than 1.07, I’m saying.
 
And I don't need a tool to tell me that it's probably because of warm/cold vs gray/gray.
 
11:39 AM
And yes, I think that must be why. There is another contrastive axis.
 
@tchrist your eye can notice things a monitor can't even display.
 
Like gold leaf.
 
Like most colors.
 
And the violet at the end of a rainbow.
 
And the violent at the end of a rainbow.
 
11:40 AM
Leprechaun basher!
 
Hey, they bashed me first.
 
@tchrist Hey now, that's Leprechaun tcsheller to you.
 
Your kneecaps will survive.
I’m almost perfectly certain I have normal human trichromancy, modulo age-related yellowing.
Which can be countered by hanging out at higher elevations, but then it yellows faster.
 
To get rid of the yellowing, apply some chlorine.
 
I hate swimming in chlorinated pools.
 
11:42 AM
@tchrist Cómo?
 
You don't have to like it. Just do it.
 
@tchrist: Eso no tiene sentido.
 
The lens of the human eye yellows with age due to a number of factors. You do not notice this because of color constancy. However, it manifests as less ability to see well in lower light levels and to distinguish subtler hue shifts in certain combinations.
 
But how can higher elevations counter age-related yellowing if the yellowing happens faster at higher elevations?
 
The yellowing is most due to UV, but somewhat due to wear and tear: dust in the wind.
Oh, that. That's easy.
 
11:45 AM
No Kansas songs in chat.
 
Add blue.
 
OIC
 
Who is the man that would risk his neck for his brother man? Shift! Can you dig it?
 
Shut yo mouth.
 
Can you dig it?!
 
11:46 AM
The higher you go, the less filtering is happening, so the ambient color temperature rises.
It also becomes quite simply brighter per the light meter.
 
@Robusto Check your head.
 
However, the price of more blue and violet is more neplusultraviolet.
 
Wait, you can't go beyond neplusultraviolet.
 
@MattE.Эллен sounds like a great YouTube series to follow up "Does it blend" with.
 
It's, like, the definition.
 
11:48 AM
Which is why you should always wear protective eyegear when you are in the double-digits of kilofoot elevation.
 
@RegDwigнt :D
 
But people never do, so the damage is greater.
 
Machst du Versuche in Chemie,
vergiß bloß deine Brille nie.
Denn hast du Säure im Gesicht,
brennt alles -- nur die Brille nicht!
 
It’s like how living at 5 kilofeet is equivalent to two bonus full chest x-ray a year.
 
11:49 AM
Haha, the Google Translation is delightfully rubbish.
> Are you doing experiments in chemistry,
just forget your glasses before.
For you have acid in the face,
The eyewear - burn everything!
For completeness, the original said "When doing experiments in chemistry, never forget your glasses. For when you have acid in the face, everything will burn but the glasses won't."
 
@RegDwigнt What did you expect?
 
@Robusto the Spanish Inquisition, in fact of point.
 
Elevation (in feet): Add the appropriate no. of mrems for your elevation
 1000 - add 2 4000 - add 15 7000 - add 40 ____________
 2000 - add 5 5000 - add 21 8000 - add 53
 3000 - add 9 6000 - add 26 9000 - add 70
 
@RegDwigнt so you are this infamous "noöne" I keep hearing about
 
Not linear.
 
11:52 AM
@MattE.Эллен *unfamous
 
@tchrist OVER 9000.
 
I wonder what the kids playing at Two-Mile High Stadium at South Park get?
That is, of course, above 9000.
 
@tchrist How do you know about South Park? You don't even own a TV.
Mar 29 '13 at 13:35, by tchrist
@Robusto But I’ve never had TV.
 
Because I know Fairplay, which in in South Park and has an historic area.
 
@MattE.Эллен yeah I think I should really start charging people for hearing about me.
 
11:54 AM
Feb 12 at 2:34, by tchrist
I don't watch TV. At all. Ever. Period. Honest.
Aug 11 '13 at 1:18, by tchrist
I swore off TV in 1976, and haven’t looked back.
 
I think the "high" in that sign refers to pot.
 
Ha, it only just occurs to me I haven't watched TV in like three months.
 
See the above-timberline areas. Timberline is 12 kilofeet.
 
11:55 AM
You could build a TV out of Lego™.
 
That's TMH Stadium.
 
No, that's THC Stadium.
 
@Robusto I probably have, but I have so much stuff built out of LEGO that I've long forgotten it.
 
Yay, is it TV-bashing hour?
I don't have one either.
 
11:56 AM
@Robusto No, that's TLC Stadium.
@Cerberus I have three, actually.
 
No. Read the pot reference above.
 
One for each of my heads?
Why?
 
One in the cellar, the other one broke just a couple weeks ago, so I bought a used one from a friend.
 
11:57 AM
The one in the cellar is a real tube. The one that broke was LCD. The current one seems to be plasma, because after two weeks of playing World of Tanks I can see the game's interface overlaid over everything at all times.
 
Haha, seriously.
So you use it only for games?
 
They even have a chamber pot of commerce.
 
@Cerberus Yeah no shit man. I didn't know it would go that fast.
 
@RegDwigнt Only because they dump it out regularly.
 
@Cerberus games, Twitch, some PC stuff, though actually I don't use the PC anymore, either.
 
11:59 AM
Odd.
Ah OK.
Why don't you use the PC any more?
 
I don't feel a need to?
 
This is the sign on the chamber pot of commerce at South Park:
 
When I need to fire it up, I fire it up alright.
 
What are you typing on now?
 
12:00 PM
But most of the time, I don't need to look up anything or work on anything.
@Cerberus I'm at work now, you bozo.
We're talking home here.
 
Did you guys really think South Park was not real?
 
South Park and think?
 
That’s just a round number, of course.
 
Who the hell is Z. M. Pike and why would I care.
Same for J. G. Fremont.
 
Before the Colorado Territory became a state, they were going to put the capital at Leadville. Which is also at ten kilofeet. Can you imagine all the home games?
@RegDwigнt Pike’s Peak.
 
12:04 PM
> This village of Podunk was visited by none other than L. S. Popple in 1428. He bought some shoelaces.
 
Every flatlander bastard team would have waved every game they had to play at the Colorado stadium.
Pile’s Peak is Zugspitzer-famous.
 
@tchrist 0 is the only really round number.
And it's mostly oval.
 
1 is the roundest number that you'll ever know. 2 is just as good as 1, it's the roundest number since the number 1.
 
Okay.
 
The Town of Fairplay is the Statutory Town that is the county seat and the most populous municipality of Park County, Colorado, United States. Fairplay is located in South Park at an elevation of 9,953 feet (3,034 m). The town is the fifth-highest incorporated place in the State of Colorado. The population was 679 at the U.S. Census 2010. == History == A historic gold mining settlement, the town was founded in 1859 during the early days of the Pike's Peak Gold Rush. The town was named by settlers who were upset by the generous mining claims given to the earliest prospectors and promised a more...
> View of Fairplay and South Park looking south from State Highway 9. The historic buildings of South Park City, an open air museum, are in the foreground.
> Nickname(s): The Real South Park
 
12:07 PM
@tchrist sez you. Every idiot in Germany knows the Zugspitze, but not even the diehardest fans will have a bell rung by Pike's Peak.
 
@RegDwigнt No Americans know the Zugspitze from Mark Spitz.
 
@tchrist lol @ historic, in a country that hasn't even existed just a couple hundred years ago.
 
@RegDwigнt Huh? People have lived here for myriamillennia.
 
Yeah and in those buildings, no less.
 
Colorado:
 
12:10 PM
I didn't say you wasn't old. I said your buildings is younger than my chair.
 
I’m sure you had a point. But that is not one of them.
 
I had a point once. But I had to sell it.
 
To a Swiss marksman.
 
Ich war jung und brauchte das Geld.
 
And not now?
 
12:11 PM
Jetzt brauche ich anderes Geld. Das Geld von damals ist längst weg.
 
Impossible.
 
Unfaßbar, und dennoch wahr.
 
Gold neither tarnishes nor corrupts. It does not go the way of all things.
 
Yes, gold, geld and yellow are related.
Also related to green and gray and chlorine.
And the Russian zholty and zeleny.
 
We still build communal dwellings like the ancients did here.
 
12:13 PM
Shopped. I can tell by the pixels and from having seen many communal dwellings like the ancients did in my life.
 
@RegDwigнt What made the ancients do them in your life?
 
Geld. Or gold. I forget.
 
Jesus, enough with the hideousness.
I'd rather look at Madonna.
 
12:16 PM
I have cathedrals, too.
 
There's no need to brag.
 
We'll spare Australia. Don't want to hurt no cangooroo. We'll build an all-American amusement park there. They have cathedrals, too!
 
As if one wasn't actually enough!
 
In my father's land there are many cathedrals. If it were not so I would have told you so.
 
No, no, apartments or flats or something.
 
12:17 PM
Reg did not like those ones. :(
 
that's a strange looking vegetable patch
 
Notice all the alcoves for each saint!
 
@MattE.Эллен brussel sprouts are like that.
 
I hope you realize that those are hoodoos.
 
@RegDwigнt I thought it was an upsidedown carrot patch
 
12:18 PM
Voodoos, hoodoos, dee Jerry doos.
@MattE.Эллен so... brussel sprouts.
 
I dearly wish you all could be there for sunrise. Words stand no candle to the stunning grandeur.
It is . . . immense.
 
Yeah no, sorry, for that I would have to disclose my credit card information to your government. And for that I would have to have a credit card.
Too many hoops to jump through.
 
As the alpenglow paints the hoodoos with the orangey-rose fingers of dawn, above your head el condor pasa.
 
mmmm
condo pasta
 
Cathedrals are of course rightly famous for their many windows.
 
12:21 PM
And then they wouldn't let me in because I can never remember which answer is correct on the immigration bulletin, "Yes, I want to kill the President", "No, I do not want to kill the President", or "I might want to kill the President at some point in the future".
 
It is arguably prettier under snow.
Let me find some greener cathedrals, let you think ours are always so sere.
A cathedral so high you cannot see its roof, those are.
Reg has a vacation cottage there at about 300 feet.
> Other changes in eye function also occur as people age. The amount of light that reaches the back of the retina is reduced, increasing the need for brighter illumination and for greater contrast between objects and the background.
@Rob Maybe that is the problem.
> The pupils become smaller, react more sluggishly to light, and dilate more slowly in the dark. Therefore, people older than 60 may find that objects appear dimmer, that they are dazzled initially when going outdoors (or when facing oncoming cars during night driving), and that they have difficulty going from a brightly lit environment to a darker one.
> In old age, changes to the sclera (the white of the eyes) include the following: Yellowing or browning caused by many years of exposure to ultraviolet light, wind, and dust
 
Solution: never leave the house.
 
> The chemical composition of the lens also changes with time as proteins are produced in different proportions (Spector, 1982, pp. 33-34). These chemical changes cause the lens to yellow over time. This yellowing of the lens reduces its transparency, causing it to become more opaque with time.
 
♪ And you, my brown eyed girl.
 
> The aging variable lens further filters light, which is more yellow and opaque than in younger eyes. Researchers estimate that the elderly retina receives approximately one third of the amount of light that a younger retina would receive (Ordy, Brizzee, & Johnson, 1982, p. 86). This means that older persons require much more lighting than younger persons.
So perhaps my trouble with SO is simply dead eyes.
@RegDwigнt My grandfather knew songs to go with every possible utterance.
I have been remiss in closing dupes.
 
12:58 PM
@tchrist I find I do need brighter illumination for some things, but not all. Driving at night is still not a problem for me, but I do have trouble seeing black-on-black lettering on the back of the TV. The ophthalmologist says I have some very slight yellowing in the lens of one eye, but that's all.
 
I've never even seen an ophthalmologist in my entire life. That's how bad my eyes are.
I suggest a law be placed in place for ophthalmologists to wear bright fuchsia clothes at all times.
 
 
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2:27 PM
ah, I just got out of Schlafenzeit B1
I really need to go to the next niveau
but the thing is, the computer said that I am in B1 so maybe if I ask if I can go to B2 this will really confuse the Germans
I don't want to risk a segmentation fault in my poor teacher's brain. she's really old.
sighs
Schaaaaade
 
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