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4:00 PM
@Robusto In Sweden there is a law that says the consumer gets money back after the third time. ianal
I see images when I read cunterblasting.
I sent an email to the government with a suggestion that parents should be required to attend school with their children five lessons and the following break per year.
Recently schools have been closed in Sweden for security reasons.
 
@JohanLarsson what's happening in Sweden?
was there some kind of terrorist threat or what?
 
Riots in schools I think.
Not sure if there was | were any terrorism.
 
ty ty
those are hard
 
no probs :) terrorism is a mass noun, so it gets the singular
 
4:15 PM
^ hard man
 
@JohanLarsson I had a riot in school once.
It was just me.
 
did you win?
 
And it wasn't where anyone could see.
I scuffed my shoes
 
did they send horses?
 
So I guess that's a win?
 
4:18 PM
yeah
 
@JohanLarsson No, I turned myself in.
 
But they were busy with other stuff, like taking reports of potholes. So I didn't want to bother them.
 
@JohanLarsson well, I have evidence that in at least one case it improved the code by a lot. github.com/Mellen/EdgeDetect
check out the refactoring I did there. no way I could have come so far without it
 
4:20 PM
"wasn't statistically significant"... so it sounds like they're being scientific, and if they were, then this is a non-statement.
@JohanLarsson the authorities.
 
the study is perhaps relevant for noobs refatoring noobs other code.
I just skimmed it but think that is what they did.
> Refactoring code doesn’t make it run faster
 
or for managers who want excuses for telling the programmers to stop screwing around making their code 'all better' and 'reusable'
 
^ not a goal of refactoring imo
 
I skimmed and saw all the "not statistically significant" stuff and rolled my eyes.
@JohanLarsson I agree
 
perf is where code gets ugly.
 
4:23 PM
> Study finds that refactoring doesn’t improve code quality
 
Hopefully backed by profiling.
 
no it doesn't
 
sure some refactoring can take too much time than it's worth and make a large code base even more difficult to understand. If so, then don't do that!
@JohanLarsson ha ha I read that as perl
 
That refactoring study is a joke! They seem to have only checked it on one specific program. The only conclusion they can make is that "refactoring does not improve the program we tried to refactor".
 
aye. and they can't even conclude that, because nothing they measured gave statistically significant results
 
4:26 PM
"The authors acknowledge some might question these results, since they are all based on a small sample size, a small-scale application and fixed set of refactoring techniques." but they did use quantitative scores of code 'quality' (cyclomatic complexity, LOC etc)
 
I thought about a thing: Say I was to revisit my code every two months. Would I ever stop rewriting it?
 
"Still, if you’re not a fan of refactoring, these results may just give you a good reason to not even bother."
 
Probably when things got really tight and SRP.
 
@JohanLarsson Stop thinking about things!
@JohanLarsson what is SRP?
 
> I knew that thinking and employment don't mix
In object-oriented programming, the single responsibility principle states that every class should have a single responsibility, and that responsibility should be entirely encapsulated by the class. All its services should be narrowly aligned with that responsibility. The term was introduced by Robert C. Martin in an article by the same name as part of his Principles of Object Oriented Design, made popular by his book Agile Software Development, Principles, Patterns, and Practices. Martin described it as being based on the principle of cohesion, as described by Tom DeMarco in his book Structured...
Not just for OO I'd say
Applies to classes, functions, libraries
 
4:32 PM
@JohanLarsson The point is, this woman won't be satisfied with her money back. She will demand that they fix the problem, and there is no power on earth or in heaven (if you believe in heaven) that will keep her from her self-appointed task.
 
@Robusto There are also powers in hell.
 
@ABeautifulMind If you believe in hell.
 
@JohanLarsson modules, systems, business
@ABeautifulMind I bet they can really get things done.
 
4:53 PM
@Robusto she is welcome to implement a better fingerprint recognition :) (Yes, I know that this type of person won't take that as an answer)
 
 
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Jez
6:09 PM
Is it me or is YouTube's latest logo a bit unfortunate?
it looks like they're flying the ISIS flag or something
 
Image not found
How are things Jez?
 
Jez
?
i see an image
 
crl
6:30 PM
me too
 
6:58 PM
@tchrist: Is there a Spanish version of RP in England or "broadcast English" in the US, at least in the Americas? I notice when I watch native-language film there is a wide range of articulations, and as noted earlier it can sound like glop to me, but if I watch some American film that has been dubbed into Spanish, I can make out (though not necessarily comprehend) almost all the words.
 
posted on March 04, 2015 by sgdi

The woman without a career Was thought of as someone to fear Each workplace she left Felt somewhat bereft As to her their hearts had grown near

 
7:31 PM
@tchrist How about some ASCII fluid dynamics?
 
> You can now read 76.2% of all real Spanish text
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 They're having some kind of engineering convention at MIT this week.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Handel's Water Music. Figures.
 
@Robusto Yes, they wrote to us about that. Round two of a hacking competition.
They sent us their facebook album and little else.
 
What, no money?
 
No appearance fee, no travel?
 
7:50 PM
No details, no coverage.
 
crl
8:31 PM
Oh those are called 'scooters' in English, funny because we use scooter for these in French, and 'trottinette' for scooters
 
Jez
ow.
what's the best way to deal with a strained back you got playing squash lunges?
 
crl
lie your back on the floor flat, and your legs at 90° on a wall, then roll your back on the floor like a ball
stretch it
 
Jez
nah, dont think that's stretching the right muscle
touching my toes actually seems to stretch it
@crl actually i've always found the word "scooter" to be ambiguous, describing either of those vehicles
 
crl
@Jez Oh right, you're using scooter too for scooters (light motorbikes)
that's ambiguous to use only 1 word for those 2 things, English is too simplistic sometimes
 
Jez
yup.
though i'd probably call the motorized one "motorbike" myself
 
 
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10:32 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What's the word for the reversability of equal and opposite actions? by user112612 on english.stackexchange.com
 
10:51 PM
@Robusto No, not really. Perhaps the dubsters are not speaking as normally as the actors weee. There are some places known for speaking well, and others not so. In the Americas, Colombia and often Venezuela can have clear speakers, as can Mexico if they're educated and work at it. An Argentine (etc) accent would stand out more.
In Spain the customary answer is people from Valladolid speak the best Spanish.
Although of course this is disputed by other areas. :-)
It's important to remember that Latin America is more than a century older than Anglo America.
 
How do you know there is no Received Spanish?
 
Say what?
 
All the languages I know very well have their versions (Dutch, English).
 
The woman Rob is listening to now is well spoken and standard, despite her seseo.
 
There are many different aspects to it.
But RP is RP.
Flanders also has its own version.
And we recognise it as clear and nice. But it is still completely different from our version.
 
11:05 PM
Trust me, Americans think RP is full of shit and absolutely do NOT accept it as better than them. The very notion is grossly offencccive.
 
Haha they recognise it as better than they.
 
Nope.
You know than can take objects, so cut it out.
 
Hehe.
Same syndrome...
 
Colombia and Castilla are the two regions best known for speaking well, although plenty in both places do not and plenty elsewhere do.
It is easier to name places where they are not considered good speakers.
But do not pick a fight with a gaucho: he's got boleros.
Para leer y llorar.
> En ningún sitio se habla el mejor español del mundo
That from an RAE dude. So accept his answer as authoritative and move along. There is nothing to see here: these are not the bluenoses you were looking for.
THAT'S how I know. There are a million more where those come from.
I've known Spanish, and seriously, longer than you've even existed. If there were such a notion with any credibility, I would certainly know of it. And there quite simply is not.
That one is serious, not pop press. It compares the situation of Spanish with English including RP & US, with French, and with Italian. Because it is verging on academic, I imagine you will require little aid in apprehending it.
 
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