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skullpatrol

10:00 PM

Nice

tchrist

But for a tetraphthong, you’ll have to ask @Cerb to model it for you.

Cerberus

I don't go beyond three.

skullpatrol

One for each head?

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 From the changelog for Android 5.1 that was recently discovered: "Silent mode added after missing on Android 5.0" — androidpit.com/android-5-1-lollipop-update

Presumably, they will bring back long-pressing the volume button to mute the phone.

@skullpatrol Yes.

skullpatrol

:-)

tchrist

10:02 PM

Three-legged dog, eh?

The Riddle of the Sphinx.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Presumably. Meanwhile, I love the new silent and priority modes that auto-shut-off (and auto-enable). They do what I've always wanted.

tchrist

This is just an observation — no hats to be had:

2

A: Can we have much more complex 2015 Winterbash hats

One of the reasons that the hats are simpler is that there is no longer a three-tiered theme the way there was last year. For example, there were hats for asking 5 questions, 10 questions, and 15 questions, and the same for answering them. Moreover, you needed upvotes. There were also hat for ...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Just today, I was feeling sick, I pressed vol-down, then "priority", then "1 hour", then said "ok google, wake me up in an hour"

and for 1 hour, my phone didn't make any noises until it woke me.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I have nothing against those new features, on the contrary: I congratulate you.

Not that those features are new in general, there have always been many applications that do this.

But it is good that Google finally did something with this.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Does it also have a way to mute your phone during appointments?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It usually works better if the feature is integrated into the OS.

Cerberus

10:09 PM

I wouldn't say that...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Not that I know of.

Cerberus

It depends.

My phone on Windows Mobile from 2008 had that.

It can be done with Tasker.

I am already looking forward to reinstalling Tasker on my future LG G2!

And to the excellent battery life!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Tasker is great, but it's so hard to use

tchrist

There.
Now
that
should
look
more
stylish
and
less
menacing.

Or maybe not.

Maybe it takes time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

For what it's worth, the image in this answer directly inspired the hat idea and design. The trigger was indeed a reference to the seemingly arbitrary score that results from a successful touchdown + extra point kick. (Note, it's also possible to get 8 points with a two-point conversion, but there's no hat for that.) — Jon Ericson ♦ 5 mins ago

Cerberus

10:11 PM

You can simply install someone else's Tasker profile if you don't want to bother with making one yourself.

tchrist

I keep trying to be the Baron.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Assuming it is general enough, and that you can find it, and figure out how to do that.

tchrist

But it is not working.

Oh, there it is.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's not super hard, and you can adjust it to your liking.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Look, I'm a programmer, and I find Tasker hard to use. There's no way regular people will ever figure it out.

Cerberus

10:13 PM

I'm sure they won't.

But so what?

There are so many good things the common people are missing out on.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus So there is value in the OS providing easy-to-use features built-in instead of requiring an arcane third-party app that doesn't always work.

Stack Exchange

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Cerberus

10:29 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh, certainly, value to the maker of the OS. And to users.

But smart users can often get results that are just as good by using other applications.

I have to say Xposed applications feel as tight and smooth as features of the actual OS, usually.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus well, they typically modify or replace part of the OS. If made properly they should be "smooth". But as you've seen, Xposed has issues with compatibility, because of how they do what they do

Cerberus

Yes, sadly.

If only Google themselves used Xposed.

It is in my opinion much better and more transparent than the dreaded Play Services.

They aren't part of the OS, and they sometimes give problems.

And you aren't even allowed to control when and what they update.

And you can't pick what they update.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Xposed is nothing like and not at all in any way similar to Play Services

Play Services is just a set of libraries and apps that Google considers part of the OS, yet updates on a different schedule.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol I see I missed a fight between you and him, lol.

skullpatrol

"Him" is on ignore.
The End

Cerberus

10:41 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 The two perform a similar function.

It's just that one is controlled by Google, the other by noöne.

@skullpatrol Wise.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus In what way are they similar?

Cerberus

They both serve to change and update what could be or should be "core" features of the OS. In an intrusive way, unhampered by any security.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol One reason I never put people on ignore is that the conversation may mislead. So I only ignore him mentally but not using the button. Can you imagine if I tell him to shut up and you think I am telling you to shut up instead? That would not be good.

skullpatrol

Thank you @Cerberus that means a lot to me coming from you :-)

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus I think it may not be wise. See above remark.

Cerberus

10:43 PM

@skullpatrol I saw what he was doing, the last couple of days.

@JasperLoy I do the same thing. But, if you accidentally tell someone to shut up you can't see, what's the harm?

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus I do not get your point. I am not sure if you got mine.

skullpatrol

Cutting-off the source of information is more important to me.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Upon rereading, I agree that I do not understand your point.

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Example. A: Hello. B: Stop talking about yourself, C. C: Shut up. (A has B on ignore.)

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus That's not what Play services does at all. Play services doesn't serve to update stuff. It just happens to get updated independently of the normal process. Play services is a set of libraries that apps can use.

Cerberus

10:47 PM

@JasperLoy Who is C talking to?

Shut up!

@Mitch Okay.

@Cerberus to B

@Cerberus C is talking to B, but because A has B on ignore, A may think that C is talking to A.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 One function of Play Services is that Google can update them independent of the OS.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

10:49 PM

@Cerberus That's completely irrelevant to what Play Services IS.

Mitch

Ha ha. I ... What's a good word for responding to someone who came before the person they ignored?

Jasper Loy

Wow, for once, I actually said something that makes sense, phew!

skullpatrol

Somebody tells the troll to shut up and you think they are talking to you.

Mitch

Snarfed?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Google can update the Android Keyboard because it's delivered as an apk in the play store.

Cerberus

10:49 PM

It is indeed true that more other applications use the Play Services than they do Xposed stuff.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

Google can update Play Services using some other method because that's how they decided to do it.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch That should be a SWR, lol.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Xposed modifies the OS. Play Services is a library that sometimes gets updated.

Mitch

:D

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

The only similarity is that you can add new features to the system using both methods, but really, you can add new features to the system using any app.

Cerberus

10:50 PM

@JasperLoy Ah okay, yes, in general it may sometimes be confusing to you, if you have someone on ignore and you can't see that people are talking to him.

Mitch

Yeah I think ignoring makes things confusing. They're already confusing enough.

Cerberus

Perhaps a CSS script to replace all the user's lines with "censored" would be more effective?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's very confusing. It makes the chat useless unless everyone else ignores the same person.

Jasper Loy

Now I have an idea. Perhaps this ignore button is so silly that it should be ABOLISHED. Maybe I should make that a request on MSE.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Yeah the ignore button should just set the line-height to zero for their messages.

Anyway I have to run. cya

Mitch

10:51 PM

Not responding is hard, but trying to not respond at least teaches patience.

Jasper Loy

But I remember the last time someone requested for comments to be displayed chronologically, the idea was REJECTED. It's the same problem actually.

Cerberus

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Play Services also modify the OS. The similarity I was talking about is that both intervene deep into the OS, bypassing ordinary security protections and thereby gaining more advanced functionality.

Bye!

Jasper Loy

@Cerberus Good idea for meta.

Mitch

What happened that had the 'person in question' chat-banned before?

Cerberus

@JasperLoy You can do it yourself.

Jasper Loy

10:53 PM

@Cerberus I am more concerned about my future, lol.

Cerberus

@Mitch Mmm I think something similar to what we have seen recently. But somehow it seemed less actionable then to me.

Jasper Loy

@Mitch No idea. Probably similar things.

Cerberus

@JasperLoy Unrelated.

Mitch

I'm surprised his behavior didn't almost immediately result in banning because it is so obviously atrocious

Jasper Loy

At first, I thought he was just having some fun in this chat. But when I reread what he said, it seems really evil.

skullpatrol

10:55 PM

He does try to dominate the room.

Mitch

I wonder what people he annoys in the interim?

Cerberus

@Mitch Yeah, this time it was pretty bad.

So was he banned again?

skullpatrol

Racism is one thing but the word "retard" pushed me over the edge :(

Mitch

@JasperLoy he's not even trying to be subtle, he immediately says mean things. Not just to get a rise but to outright be mean. On purpose. Like he has no inner monitor that tells him ' I think maybe this thing I'll say won't be taken well'

Jasper Loy

Well, there is no strong reason to ban him. He did not go around calling people !@#$%. So what he did is not good but ultimately unactionable, QED.

skullpatrol

10:57 PM

No @Cerberus

Jasper Loy

@Mitch Sometimes, I think he might be a psychopath.

skullpatrol

He is going to read all of this.

Cerberus

OK.

Jasper Loy

No problem, I can handle him easily.

Cerberus

It is too bad, because he can be funny and intelligent when he puts his mind to it.

skullpatrol

11:00 PM

Agreed.

Jasper Loy

I think there are only two things I fear in life now. (1) My own mental problems. (2) Prosecution by the authorities. I don't really fear dealing with people at all.

skullpatrol

Did you watch it? @JasperLoy yet

George Pompidou

mmm. I'm such a sweetheart.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Nope. I watched the first few seconds.

George Pompidou

cuts a fun elephant-themed christmas card out of colored paper for girlfriend

is a sweetie

draws a hippo on it saying merry christmas

Jasper Loy

11:02 PM

@skullpatrol It is your choice, but I advise you never to use the ignore button.

George Pompidou

^.^

hey hey, guys, why are you still talking about me

jesus christ, come on. I've told Matt and I'm telling you now, I'll make an effort to stop being a dick.

what more do you want? I promise, I'll be nice.

skullpatrol

@JasperLoy the part at the beginning about the grade "not yet" given instead of "Fail"?

George Pompidou

it actually really got to me when Cerberus ignored me because I think he's cool and that made me feel bad.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Yes.

George Pompidou

so I have emerged from the dark side.

I'm a changed man. I've accepted the baby Jesus

Cerberus

11:04 PM

@GeorgePompidou Yay! That warms my old heart.

George Pompidou

:O you don't have me on ignore?!

Cerberus

Especially the baby Jesus.

\o/

I do not.

smiles

11:05 PM

There should be enough fresh blood in that thing to warm me.

You may present its neck to me.

George Pompidou

we have to follow the star of Bethlehem.

to find him.

darn, I'm colorblind and can't tell which of these boards are orange.

Cerberus

All that trouble for a single baby?

George Pompidou

he's to be the king of the Jews!

Cerberus

This SE site is beige.

George Pompidou

plus they say his mom was a virgin, but I think she had sex with Joseph.

that's just my opinion though. (ssshhh)

Cerberus

11:06 PM

Well, let them pick a queen this time.

Ick.

Jasper Loy

Let's not make fun of Jesus and Mary.

Cerberus

Why not?

George Pompidou

I'm not, I'm appreciating Christmas and his birth.

Jasper Loy

It is alright to discuss religion in an academic manner, but not alright to make fun in this way.

George Pompidou

is there no limit to what you are offended by?

I'm afraid I cannot be nicer than this.

Cerberus

11:08 PM

As long as you aren't negative towards other people in this room, you have my blessing.

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou I am not offended by what you said. And I am also not a Christian.

However, my point stands as it is, no more, no less.

Cerberus

1 min ago, by George Pompidou

is there no limit to what you are offended by?

George Pompidou

anyway, yes, going on from where I left off, we must gather some frankincense (I never know how to spell that on my first try) and mhyrrhhr (I just never know how to spell that in general) and then gift them to him!

Cerberus

This line I would have phrased as, "people shouldn't be offended too easily", instead of the personal touch.

Myrrh?

George Pompidou

mhrryrrrh

skullpatrol

11:10 PM

Too personal is not good.

George Pompidou

I think it has more h in it.

Cerberus

Double r, and a Greek r is always followed by h if no consonant comes after it.

George Pompidou

clip clip

Cerberus

I don't think r-VOWEL exists in Greek transcription.

George Pompidou

in Romanian it's smirnă. no idea where that comes from.

Cerberus

11:11 PM

Ah.

George Pompidou

probably the east, actually.

Cerberus

Perhaps from Smirna?

Jasper Loy

@MattЭллен Are you still awake?

Cerberus

Smyrna

Smyrna (Ancient Greek: Σμύρνη or Σμύρνα) was an ancient city located at a central and strategic point on the Aegean coast of Anatolia. Due to its advantageous port conditions, its ease of defence and its good inland connections, Smyrna rose to prominence. The ancient city is located at two sites within modern İzmir, Turkey, as well as being its namesake. The first site, probably founded indigenously, rose to prominence during the Archaic Period as one of the principal ancient Greek settlements in western Anatolia. The second, whose foundation is associated with Alexander the Great, reached ...

George Pompidou

:O

Jasper Loy

11:14 PM

I think I will stick to Ubuntu Mate LTS from now, until I am rich enough to buy a copy of Windows.

skullpatrol

So you're not going to finish watching it @JasperLoy?

It's ok if you don't.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Maybe later on. There are some reasons I don't want to watch some things sometimes.

skullpatrol

Fair enough.

Jasper Loy

Aren't you going to ask me what those reasons are?

George Pompidou

@Mitch lol, actually it's quite the opposite.

skullpatrol

11:17 PM

Only if you want me to @JasperLoy

George Pompidou

so I'm supposed to make an orange elephant and a purple hippo. there's about a 1 in 3 chance that I'll get orange right and a 1 in 2 chance that I'll get purple right. there are a total of 5 colors. what are the chances that I will get them both right together?

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Sometimes, there is a resistance to watching good stuff, because it makes me feel even more sick of the bad stuff around me. It sounds weird, but it is one of the reasons.

skullpatrol

ok

George Pompidou

anyone wanna take a crack at that probability thing?

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou You can ask on Math SE.

George Pompidou

11:19 PM

nah, just wanted to see if anyone appreciates the problem.

I can do it myself.

cuts out colored paper in animal shapes

skullpatrol

This video gives hope to the most under privileged people in society @JasperLoy

The children of the poor.

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol I think the people who don't do so well in school are not really much less smarter than the people who do, considering some extremely stupid things some highly educated people say.

skullpatrol

Everybody believes that it is inevitable that they will grow up to be just like their parents.

George Pompidou

"much less smarter"

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou Oh yeah, seems to be a mistake, lol.

George Pompidou

11:26 PM

^.^

Cerberus

@JasperLoy ebay.nl/itm/…

That is completely legal.

Windows is not expensive.

George Pompidou

mhhhhh I'm not good at drawing

or colors

wait…

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol I am very different from my parents. Sometimes, I think they are not my parents, that a mistake was made in the hospital.

George Pompidou

does that look like an orange elephant to anyone?

Jasper Loy

It is a yellow elephant.

Cerberus

11:28 PM

Yellow, but nice.

George Pompidou

motherfuck

damn

hold on

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou It's best not to use such words, in case someone flags you.

Cerberus

Meh, or you can just ignore censorious people.

George Pompidou

Jasper Loy

I am just teaching him how not to be banned from this chat.

George Pompidou

11:29 PM

any of those?

Cerberus

Green and green.

George Pompidou

why would there be two greens? it says there's a yellow, green, and orange

Cerberus

Lighter green and darker green.

George Pompidou

maybe the lighting is affecting it?

Jasper Loy

I see 2 different greens.

Cerberus

11:30 PM

And a yellow elephant.

George Pompidou

how on earth

then the packaging is lying to me

why am I not just asking my roommate

Cerberus

Nah, lighting cannot do that.

George Pompidou

grrrrr

Jasper Loy

Are you colour blind?

George Pompidou

yes!

Cerberus

11:31 PM

The light is bluish, but not that much.

George Pompidou

goes to knock on roommate's door

skullpatrol

Ok @JasperLoy I can only show you the path I can't walk it for you. See you later pal :-)

Jasper Loy

@skullpatrol Good night.

George Pompidou

roommate says my elephant is orange and the others are yellow and green

I think colors may not be so trivial

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou Yellow, green, orange, all these words are not well defined anyway.

George Pompidou

11:33 PM

or you are all messing with me. wouldn't be the first time ^.^

(that I'm messed with regarding colors, my friends do it all the time)

Jasper Loy

But I think the lighting in that pic might be responsible.

George Pompidou

I glued my fingers together trying to stick the elephant on to the background

Jasper Loy

I hate handicraft.

George Pompidou

me too.

gotta do it this one season though. to show that I am a caring hippo!

Jasper Loy

You can show it in other ways.

I don't keep cards. I throw them all away after a few days.

George Pompidou

11:36 PM

yeah but this is the way of which I thought.

plus, this card is going to be so adorable, it'll be impossible to throw out.

spreads christmas joy

now I have to draw and cut out a hippo standing on top of the tree

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou Who are you making it for?

George Pompidou

Margaret ^.^

Mitch

@skullpatrol Yeah you could. You could walk beside him or carry him while you walk it, or have a line tied to you while he follows you or you could leave a popcorn trail or..wait..that was a metaphor, right?

Jasper Loy

Your girlfriend?

Mitch

If so, then yeah, you can't walk that path for him.

George Pompidou

11:51 PM

mhmm.

Jasper Loy

@GeorgePompidou I am 33 and I never had a girlfriend. Can you believe it? LOL.

George Pompidou

you're 33?

wow!

I can believe it. girlfriends aren't for everyone.

Jasper Loy

Maybe when I finally get one, I won't like it. It's possible.

Mitch

@skullpatrol I think that's true. But is almost impossible to happen nowadays

George Pompidou

yeah. I'm 22 and this is just my first girlfriend. I've never really considered whether or not I like the overall concept of girlfriend. I just have not had a problem with it yet.

I think maybe I am too apathetic.

Jasper Loy

11:55 PM

I have a friend who has slept with about 100 girls. He is married now.

George Pompidou

she's also a massive enabler of my spoiled insensitivity, arrogance, and rudeness.

haha, we all have one of those. my friend Olek has been with over 70. and he's two years younger than me I think.

Jasper Loy

I am still a virgin.

George Pompidou

now that's strange. why haven't you done sex with anyone?

usually people like that kinda stuff.