Later @WillHunting! Nice talking with you :)

Hiya!

@WillHunting ?? No!

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Oh. I thought I was one of us. I'll have to rethink a lot of things now. I really will be walking in someone else's shoes for a mile. But they dont feel particularly different.

your message did get flagged For this?

Hi!

Again.

Hi pal :-)

Yo.

@IceBoy WTF? More carpetbaggers coming in here telling us how to behave in chat?

@Robusto yep

@Robusto In this case, there was something to be said for his appearance...

But I think both parties are at fault to some degree.

@Cerberus please elaborate

Well, Jasper did say some goofy things.

And she is a young kid.

and she did say "sorry"

telling somebody their questions are stupid sucks

come to the math room pal

Yes, it is.

@IceBoy I suppose she did.

there is nothing to "suppose", it is a recorded fact

It only came much later, and it was hardly elaborate.

do you wanna see "elaborate"?

now that^ is "elaborate"

But not apologetic.

true

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 If you're interested, a very interesting presentation by a Google engineer about current developments regarding Ara, with lots of details. androidpolice.com/2014/09/29/…

@Cerberus thanks for sharing that :-)

Are you interested in Ara?

sure

Cool.

@Cerberus I am so sorry. For whatever.

Pfff whatever, deal with it

btw @Cerberus the above commenter got 30 days for his homophobia

Oh...

I wasn't there to see what he did.

It wasn't in the chatroom; it was in the comments to a posted question.

hi

@MattЭллен

hi

can you tell me about johnson, as he first appeared to you?

What is this "as?"

it means "in the way that"

is it about impression?

this appear?

yes

not like show up?

no

like seemed

i see. solely about impression of this man

?

yes

thank you

no problem

what is "some such A"

some such info is necessary to give you a good answer

Something that falls into the category A

some is like some water?

yes, a determiner.

well, no, not like an unspecified amount

I need info like that in a little dose?

some refers to the unknownness of the thing that fits the category

e.g. "you need bread, or some such food"

like "for some reason"?

yes

so it can be rewritten , "I need info like that"?

simply

yes

no reference to the amount thereof?

no.

i see

thank you

no problem

Morning, Jasper

@MattЭллен Hi!

when are you starting to go running?

Hmm, I think maybe in November. Some things happened the past few days, and I need to sort out my thoughts more.

I hope it does not affect me too much.

anything you want to talk about pal?

Nope thanks.

@WillHunting sounds like progress. Challenging things can help us grow. You could combine running time and thinking time. Exercise is good for that, because it lowers the amout of stress hormones in your blood, thus allowing you to concentrate more.

Someone in math got suspended for 30 days for telling someone else to "stop stalking little boys", lol.

That's a bad thing to say, because that someone else is gay.

@MattЭллен "This is incredibly powerful, as it teaches me that I have to work at letting go, so that I might better focus on the happiness that I’ve cultivated from compassion. " isn't this might supposed to be may coz the tense is present?

@username901345 Modals are confusing, check the dictionary on might first.

@username901345 might has sort of surplanted or become interchangable with may in many situations.

so in this sentence ok?

@username901345 Yes, it is OK.

might can also have this "could" sense? like ...."I might(could) tell you about the secrets of John but of Sarah's? No I can't...."

@MattЭллен Did you mean: supplant?

i guess so

@username901345 Yes.

really

but no example on dictionary.com

so i was confused

@IceBoy ha! yes. oops :D

icic :-)

@MattЭллен what do you think tbaout that might?."I might(could) tell you about the secrets of John but of Sarah's? No I can't...."

looks fine to me. I'd put a fullstop after John, or a comma at least

could nd might are interchangeable here?

not exactly. could implies permission or ability. might implies probability. so you could use either, but they would mean different things.

i see thank you

> Contractions for Cyrillic accented letters have been removed from the DUCET, except for Й and й (U+0419 & U+0439 Cyrillic letter short i) and their decomposition mappings. This should improve performance of Cyrillic string comparisons and simplify tailorings. These changes for Cyrillic may indirectly impact the derivation of the European Ordering Rules, which are based on a subset of the ISO/IEC 14651 CTT table, which in turn is synchronized with the DUCET.

This Unicode Technical Standard will be updated for Unicode 8.0. The proposed update is now available for general public review and comment.

Man, and here I thought we had trouble!

I wonder if I am the only person who pronounces the DUCET with a hard C.

out of the two of us? yes

like duchey?

Default Unicode Collation Element Table

I can't survey the rest of the world ;)

@crl No, like Classical Latin for “It will lead”: dūcet.

Plus the C is for Collation.

duket

/duːsɛt/

@MattЭллен Oh dear, you have Miner’s Itch!

Perhaps you should concult a medica.

I don't know what that is

@MattЭллен “No tones more dulcet shall ever mine ear reach.”

:D

@tchrist Everything I learn about Unicode is impressive. Of course, it's messy in places, but if you want a perfectly pure system we can't get there from here.

It has turned three and twenty this very month, you know.

/mɛdɪsa/?

And apparently they’re putting interconversion between numbers represented using digits and regular words (e.g.: 23 is twenty-three) into the CLDR.

@MattЭллен O Susanna

hope, Susanna

Susan

I’m currently l10ning a $job project.

They previously i18ned it, but of course, that only gets your character set fixed up, not any actual translation.

in perl?

And I have to give a talk on Unicode at a workshop a month hence.

@crl Aye.

Well, no, in Spanish, with French support included only for my proof-of-concept switchability demo.

But still.

Just getting your entire end-to-end dataflow completely UTF-8 is a big deal on large existing projects that had never done that.

Especially when that project includes mysql in the backend and javascript in the front end, and email delivery every now and then.

Even if your mid-end where I work is all clean and nicey with UTF-8, if those other pieces aren’t, you’re in trouble.

So yeah, I work in the middens; a shitty job, but somebody’s gotta do it.

People ask the strangest questions.

nice

why my chrome windows is in foreground? it's weird, I can't select other windows

and make other windows get in foreground

looks like a bug

A Chrome bug? Surely you jest!

I think our badges page looks buggy on the Reversal line. Instead of saying ‪               , I think it should say either unawarded or none awarded.

I am also rather displeased with awarded 1 time for awarded once, plus the others.

or "awardable"

Would they please get some fricking NNNSes on the SE team for the love of Bill!

This garbage smells of rotten pineapples.

Nothing gets awarded one time in English. We have a word for that: once.

It is setting a bad example, especially on a site dedicated to writing and speaking English but frequented by those who don’t.

Also apparently written by the same.

hehe

These are lazy programmers in the worst of ways, not the best of ways.

They make us look bad.

They make usses looks stoopids.

@tchrist excluding hip hop lyrics

Acerola.

man, saying that makes me feel so middle class and out of touch

oh well

If the cat fits

what's wrong with that?

He would prefer feeling upper class and out of touch.

Hello everyone

hi

hey

@tchrist exactly :D

I know no upper class programmers. And damned few first class ones.

Once we've been around for a similar length to the oldest profession, I'm sure there will be some high-class programmers

Skinny jeans and silly collars.

And stiletti.

what is the second oldest?

pimping? I don't know

lawyers

farming

That’s not a profession.

you can live off it

people don't farm in kind.

I think what I said makes sense, but now I'm having doubts

@IceBoy “Dope will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope.”

Except where not prohibited by law.

Prostitution is SO old, that Female Gorillas in the wild have been observed trading Sex for oranges, with Male Gorillas...

farming is so old amoebas have been observed doing it

they farm bacteria

amoebae

ok, you win

yessssss

I win at facts

a moy boy

:D

Ants farm aphids.

Beetles farm fungi.

:D

Bark beetles pharm phloem.

IceBoy farms quote chains!

d'oh

Sic transeunt.

Did anyone know that we can do Instagram on Chrome?

Yes i know, we can add extension.

There is also one extension for Stack Exchange!

Which show notification(inbox) even if you are not on stack exchange

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/stack-alert/…

😃

hmm. the symbola I have installed doesn't seem to have waning gibbous

nope, it's there alright, but firefox won't show it to me :(

wat?

a comment posted as a question. great

Hi!

I read that one of Roald Dahl's books is no longer sold in certain Australian shops, because it contains the word "slut", and some feminist complained.

I wonder what @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 thinks.

A Nietzsche debating club at a university in London was forbidden because Nietzsche's views were in some ways anti-social and misogynist and fascist.

@MattЭллен Someone should have answered "42" . . .

@Cerberus Bring on the thought police.

@Robusto Exactly!

I heard a woman on television the other day, who was a fan of Nabokov and of the book Lolita, refer to that book's protagonist, Humbert Humbert, as a man who harbored "criminal sexual longings" toward the novel's title character. The phrasing struck me as odd, in that it implies that longings themselves may be judged criminal: thought crimes, in point of fact. I think only actions may be judged criminal, and sloppy language may push us into 1984 just as Orwell feared it might.

A good example.

Also notice that I used "may" and "might" in the same sentence.

In 16-century Holland, there was no freedom of religion (Catholics were not allowed to practice, well, Catholicism), but there was freedom of thought and conscience.

@Robusto Hmm in some contexts their meanings seem to converge...

Also because might has at least to functions, right?

That's why I mentioned it.

Ahh.

I think Leno's question is good.

@Cerberus Oh! you can be a catholic, just so long as you only worship in a protestant manner

Don't even think about making thought crimes illegal.

@MattЭллен Just so!

the only crime is thinking about making things illegal, everything else is fine.

Or in private.

According to some people, thought leads to action and should therefore be punishable.

then we must punish them for silently judging

impersonating a judge is a criminal offence

probably

@MattЭллен "Let a hot, pleasurable soak rub from your limbs all exhaustion of the toil-filled day." Does this make sense?

yes

grammar ok?

just about

where?

the use of rub is questionable, but I get the general meaning

its like rub as in massaging....rub my feet

yeah, that's what I though. it's OK, but doesn't quite work with how water behaves

Yes, we can rub pain out of our feet, but we can't rub disappointments from our life.

I found this on google

Only a solid object can rub.

it's a metaphor like the hands of hot water massaging your limbs

Well, you didn't write hands, so that metaphor is absent.

@MattЭллен other errors?

@username901345 yeah, as I say, I got it, but it doesn't quite work

@username901345 no, otherwise it's fine

i see. thanks .

I'd use sooth instead of rub

soothe?

yeah, that :D

Thanks for your suggestion.

no worries

@MattЭллен I worry too much.

me too

what?

just a pun on the phrase or about me?

now I am worried

@MattЭллен Let's give each other our worries.

I'm worried that IT making my life harder is going to upset a customer

@username901345 I think it was just a statement of fact :)

I just went out and came home. I saw many beautiful women today.

This worries you? too many beautiful women?

No, not this, lol.

I am still deciding what languages to learn, lol.

But anyway, I have enough math to last me for the whole of 2015.

i see

you'll have maths coming out your ears

For grad school, I need to learn one of French, German or Russian.

I'd pick the one I already know some of (French for me)

It's a fairly standard requirement for US math grad schools.

makes it easier to collaborate overseas, I guess

To read literature in these languages, I think.

that makes sense

I think I will just study English, French and German, in that order, lol. I already know English, but it is good to get some ESL materials to read for fun.

Good thing that all three use the Latin script.

I will report back when I have decided what books to get, maybe in a year or two, lol.

This chat is like my diary, lol.

:D

bbl

@WillHunting make sure to do some of the exercises at the end of the chapter. The author sometimes hides important stuff there for you to figure out yourself.

@Cerberus You know I'm not in favour of censorship. I'm in favour of changing what schools teach about Dahl if his work is sexist (I'm not sure how sexist it is or whether or not it's taught in schools)

I'm also in favour of people not buying books that are sexist.

But banning books is just dumb.

what does it mean if I parlay my profit into a new business for more profit.

?

define:parlay

is my sentence correct then?

my usage of the word

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 OK then, but how do you draw the line between recommending other books for teaching and banning?

@username901345 Oh. I thought you were concerned about investment strategies.

no @Mitch is it ok ?

@MattЭллен "This is a list of books that I have read in my life so that I write with great skill." Does this mean "I have these books so far, As a result, I can write well"?

@Mitch That's what I dislike. I think all important stuff should be in the text as I never look at the exercises, but I know they are important.

@username901345 I was joking because I didn't see quotes so I was acting like you meant what you said.

@WillHunting I know what you're saying. But still sometimes you learn more by doing than by reading. (that's a boring truism). But sometimes you get greater -insights- about how to extend the theory by looking at particular telling examples.

Knuth (The Art of Computer Science, which is basically mathematical methods for analyzing computers) is really good at getting motivation and inspiration from problems at the end of each section.

@MItch I see. Is it possible to say "Neither he nor you didn't do it" as a double negative...

?

like i didnt say nothing

The classical 'double negative' refers to the use of 'no' for 'any' e.g. the colloquial "I don't have no idea" is considered bad by school teachers. I don't have any idea" is proper.

The use of two negatives to logically mean a positive is often grammatical in English but can be hard to understand. Your example is very hard to understand for a native speaker. I would consider it ungrammatical (if what is intended to mean "Both he and I did it"

so the sentence is grammatical in a sense?

shakespeare uses it

It is passing strange to ask whether something Shakespeare penned is “grammatical in a sense”.

but it niggles at my brain...

I suppose I am not going to not have to explain this you. Sigh.

shakespeare writes in a register where such things are possible

Let me find a register, lol.

it would not be acceptable in ordinary written english today

i see

but it niggles at my grammarian brain...

The fault, dear username, is not in his verse, but in your brain, for you are its underling.

Sirrah, thou bit'st thy thumb at me?

I don't speak that kind of English, lol.

The day may yet come when an older, wiser, and more widely read version of your brain shall regard these our days as a tenebrous tomb where its grammatic myopia taunted and troubled it like some blindered and claustrophobic steed who had itself by its own confusion become trapped in the corset of an evertightening stall of its own delusion while the infinite fields of undiscovered country uncountably many beckoned it to fly free of fetters and roam whithersoever whim should take it.

Or, it may not.

@tchrist Cult of personality, man. Shakespeare was an ass. He did what he felt like and we arbitrarily follow that. Down with the Man!

up with the ass!

@Seth OK. Sorry. :)

@MattЭллен Forza Asino!

lol

bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens

^ play games with kittens

grow your kitten empire

are there really kittens on the other side? in reality?

the other side of what?

i have a kitten at my house, now, so as far as i know there are kittens on the other side of everything

That's a big kitten.

I'm hoping that on the other end of the internetty thing is a kitten with headphones/mouthpiece/xbox controller, giving highfives on a superkill.

Also, I'm not clicking on that link, you russian-phishing-cat-lover.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 All right, that is fairly balanced.

But if you are not in favour of people's buying books that contain sexist sentiments, what does that entail?

You would discourage it, somehow?

@IceGirl you're ok :)

@Cerberus i'm going to guess that it mostly entails gentle scolding.

@JSBձոգչ So...am I to be scolded if I read, say, Mein Kampf?

Of if I listen to gasp rap music?

gasp

I know!