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12:21 AM

not to imply that that achievement is minor

'Tis also unattained :( Need 3 more upvotes.

so anything over the rep cap gets thrown away?

shouldn't it be added to the next day?

@IceBoy Yes, unfortunately. And no, that shouldn't change. Because some questions go viral (hot questions), they can attract a disproportionate amount of votes. This keeps things more reasonable. For example, I had a (middling bad) answer take off on me and it reached 161 but I never got 1610 rep from it. I also would not have deserved it.

Were those your upvotes by the way? Thanks if so :)

;-)

sorry I snapped at you when I thought you were putting down my raiders

12:40 AM

@IceBoy Fair enough, if you felt I was dissing something you care for.

Bear in mind that I will happily put down any team you care to name, nothing personal.

:)

:D

perhaps putting that honesty upfront would have been better

5 hours ago, by Ice Boy

honesty, up front is admirable

I've never hidden my opinion of spectator sports.

Sep 9 at 14:00, by terdon

Stop talking about football!

Jul 1 at 1:55, by terdon

@Cerberus Not much. Still waiting for the damn football season to be over.

Yay! 10K! I can see all the deleted crap now :)

Congrats!

Have fun :-)

1:00 AM

Wow, 2 irrelevant and, as far as I can tell, completely wrong comments in as many minutes:

As I understand it, the second meaning of "proof" comes from the British navy, where 100 Proof meant just enough concentration of alcohol to cause navy gunpowder to spontaneously combust, thus "proving" its potency. That strength was close to, and was later standardized to, 50 percent alcohol by volume. — keshlam 11 mins ago

Also, just to complicate matters further, in the expression "the exception proves the rule", "prove" means "test" -- which is an archaic usage not often heard these days. Many people misunderstand that saying because they don't know this. — keshlam 8 mins ago

O_o

1:33 AM

Not anytime RSN: data.stackexchange.com/english/query/229378/…

@tchrist just the man I wanted to see. Is there anything correct in the second of the two comments I pasted above?

I was wondering that myself.

Latin probare does carry multiple possible meanings.

I had a quick look at wikipedia and it traces the phrase to exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis where probat is translated as confirms.

Well, it says probat.

Hi.

1:39 AM

Ask him.

@Cerberus Wow, I just need to think about you and you manifest. Cool!

Just because it says probat doesn’t mean it has to be translated that way. I don’t know.

@Cerberus ?

manifests himself

My friend has just left.

How may I be of service?

How would you translate probat in exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis?

1:40 AM

What do you think probat means in the cited phrase?

Probo can be to approve or to prove.

Probably prove?

But not test?

Hmm.

Allegedly, yes.

The Spanish probar can mean test.

1:41 AM

But I need to go pull out a real dictionary.

I think it can mean test.

I seem to remember there was something counter-intuitive about that expression.

This started from this comment:

Also, just to complicate matters further, in the expression "the exception proves the rule", "prove" means "test" -- which is an archaic usage not often heard these days. Many people misunderstand that saying because they don't know this. — keshlam 49 mins ago

Yes, it can mean test.

I looked it up.

@terdon Remember that probare gave us both prove and probe as English verbs.

Does either of you have a decent reference to look up "the exception proves the rule"?

@tchrist Yes, and prove does also mean test, I'm not arguing against that, just wondering which meaning the idiom uses.

1:43 AM

Ok, that’s it. I have to descend to the chthonic library.

This online shit won’t do.

The exception tests the rule makes no sense to me.

> Henry Watson Fowler's Modern English Usage identifies five ways in which the phrase is commonly used, here listed in order from most to least correct.

Ah, I knew it!

Exception that proves the rule

"The exception [that] proves the rule" means that the presence of an exception applying to a specific case establishes ("proves") that a general rule exists. For example, a sign that says "parking prohibited on Sundays" (the exception) "proves" that parking is allowed on the other six days of the week (the rule). A more explicit phrasing might be "The exception that proves the existence of the rule." == Use in English == Henry Watson Fowler's Modern English Usage identifies five ways in which the phrase is commonly used, here listed in order from most to least correct. === Original mean...

@Cerberus Knew what? That suggests the proves rather than tests sense.

Chamber Murray has 2 main senses for probo, with 3 and 4 subsenses respectively, each with citations.

@Cerberus That proves it!!

1:50 AM

None of the citations happens to be that one, BTW.

@terdon Oh, I just knew that Fowler had written an elaborate comment on the expression.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

This page says that the test sense is nonsense for this phrase

@Cerberus Ah.

And, yes, the "test" doesn't make sense, if we are to believe Fowler, which we are.

@Mitch NOU

Moreover, I am not convinced that any of the 7 senses really works so much like English test.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

1:51 AM

> So, and here the maxim 'a little learning is a dangerous thing' comes into play, it has been suggested that it's an alternative meaning of the word prove that is the source of the confusion. ...
Unfortunately, when we go back to the legal origin of the phrase we see that it doesn't mean that at all. It's the word exception rather than prove that is causing the confusion here. By exception we usually mean 'something unusual, not following a rule'. What it means here though is 'the act of leaving out or ignoring'.

What is it even supposed to mean with "test"?

The closest one is the one about appraising or passing judgement on.

Funny, Fowler was right next CM.

Doesn't it mean... something like... "No true scotsman ..."?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Perfect, that touches on everything I was looking for.

CM?

1:53 AM

County Maiden?

Carl Malden?

Chambers Murray Latin-English Dictionary. Always gives citations for everything.

It is not a “bilingual” dictionary.

That always annoyed me. What if you want to write a letter in Latin?

amazon.com/Chambers-Murray-Latin-English-Dictionary-William/dp/…

@Mitch Then this is not the dictionary for you. At least, not to use like Google Translate. It’s fine if you actually know some Latin.

historical order? When did they start writing things down? When did they stop?

It is small for a good dictionary, though, not even hitting 1,000 pages.

However, the print is damned small. :)

1:59 AM

Hmm I have never heard of it.

@Cerberus Fowler Fowler or Gowers Fowler? Which page?

I don't remember where I read it, but that quotation was from Wikipaedia.

@tchrist Quantum potui marmota monax si marmota possit materiari?

@Cerberus It’s the recommended dictionary for less than Latin majors, people who only take a few years of Latin.

@Cerberus No, you can't get away with that one. How do you defend wikipaedia?

As opposed to wikipedia I mean.

2:00 AM

There's no defense.

It isn’t actually that good for first-year students, though.

@Cerberus You should use Amazon’s “Surprise Me” random page to judge its quality.

@tchrist Of course I have never seen it, but I'm sure it can be good for a "hand" dictionary. We used Latin-to-Dutch dictionaries in school, notably Pinkster. But what do you mean by "not bilingual"?

@terdon Well, encyclopaedia, Wikipaedia.

@Cerberus Some people — like Mitch — expect two sections in a dictionary.

Three even.

This is a proper lexicon though.

2:03 AM

@Cerberus Ah, but it's not. That's the name of the site, it's a trademark, they choose how to spell it.

@Mitch What does that mean? What is monax?

How do you say "Pop up to the poop deck" in Latin? What else do people use dictionaries for?

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@tchrist How do you mean? What sections?

@Cerberus Reverse google translate it.

2:04 AM

Note that that is about 133% the actual print size. :)

@terdon Umm why should that concern me? I am not subject to other people's predilections. I will not write Yahoo! or iPhone or LinkedIn.

@Cerberus Like bilingual dictionaries, not like a Latin or Greek lexicon. They figure there will be a section with say French to English in one half of the book and then in the other half of the book, a section going from English to French.

Linked In is the same as LinkedIn, so there is no problem.

Weren't school boys translating -into- Latin a hundred years ago?

@tchrist That looks much like a normal school hand dictionary, the ones we had to buy in 1st class when we started Latin.

2:07 AM

@Cerberus How about Nvidia? Do you write Envidia?

@Cerberus Yes, it is the one used in high school here, and for college before the serious stuff hits.

@tchrist Oh, you mean reverse dictionaries! That is not bilingual.

??

what's a reverse dictionary?

@Cerberus That is usually how the word is used. Look at how badly you have confused poor Glitch.

@terdon Hmm there is no basic error of punctuation or capitalisation there, and it is not worthy of my further consideration, so I just write Nvidia.

2:09 AM

itch is a astard

@Mitch One you can use in two directions, bidirectional.

And yet it's the Spanish word for envy.

and that's not bilingual?

Tengo celos de tu envidia.

@tchrist Umm that is just wrong, I'm sorry. A bilingual dictionary is one that translates between two languages. It can be one or two directions. A unilingual dictionary is only in one language, like Hofmann's Greek etymological dictionary, the Thesaurus Lingua Latinae, or the Oxford English Dictionary.

2:10 AM

@Cerberus I know I know I know

Well, then.

Anyone seriously studying a language gets a monolingual dictionary.

Oops I accidentally didn't write unilingual.

@tchrist Mmm I wouldn't say that.

Although I confess to only owning such in Spanish, French, and Portuguese.

Not since the 20th century.

The OLD is quite respectable.

Oops, I skipped a millennium.

2:13 AM

Funny how they sneak up on you like that.

Dark Side of the Moon on steroids.

And then one day you find a thousand years have got behind you.

Terrible for the scansion though.

Why the scansion?

> Ticking away the moments that make up a dull day
You fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way.
Kicking around on a piece of ground in your home town
Waiting for someone or something to show you the way.

Tired of lying in the sunshine staying home to watch the rain.
You are young and life is long and there is time to kill today.
And then one day you find ten years have got behind you.
No one told you when to run, you missed the starting gun.

So you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking

@terdon If only they called it that; it would have been a much better name.

@Cerberus Because "a thousand" does not comfortably fit where "ten" falls in the verse cited.

I ran and ran, to catch the last light of the sun. But I could not stop it, and darkness beckons.

Ah, a well known poem?

2:18 AM

Yes.

Oh...you got that part.

Or here:

@tchrist That's really weird. I mentioned that same song in another room not an hour ago. Somebody said: "don't look up, just keep shoveling!" and I heard it to that tune of course.

Long ago and far away.

I’ve known people to program that to blast them out of bed as their alarm.

I think I did that at some point.

2:27 AM

I was ten when I first heard it.

I had a pretty strong Floyd phase for most of my adolescence and until I discovered Jazz in my early 20ies.

Each decade spins by faster and faster and faster, and now the days fall away like tired leaves in an autumn gale.

I was about 14 when I first heard it. I used to listen to albums and basically fast forward to the lyrics. It didn't work for me. Then I heard it again a year later and it blew my mind.

@tchrist I never figured you for a Pink Floyd fan.

@Robusto I wasn’t. My folks were.

So it played a lot.

It’s a haunting song.

It is also an unusual album, because it is the only one produced by Alan Parsons for them.

2:30 AM

Very much a concept album.

Here's another PF song:

20 years later.

Yes, I know all those. Well.

Why do they bring me to tears?

Something elemental about them.

Nostalgia.

I don’t know.

It has to be the words.

Then again, there are a lot fewer songs without words that bring one to tears.

Like the Sarabande from the 5th cello suite, for example.

Hm, is it the 5th or 1st? Now I have to check.

No, the 1st is full of light.

It’s the 2nd.

BWV 1008, Dm.

You don’t need words to cry to that.

I walked into Center Cafe at Burning Man just after sunrise one morning and there was a man alone on the stage playing that.

I played this the night my father died. ^

2:39 AM

Aww.

It still moves me to tears.

kacnje.blogspot.nl/2014/08/… @Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 A comparison of Android navigation apps.

This world will break your heart before it is done with you.

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Long before, perhaps. Or not.

2:40 AM

sobs quietly

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Here I am, Mitchy, come on, cry to me.

I cried every single Requiem I ever sang, even as a child.

Navfree sounds free. Just punch in the destination and don't follow the directions.

@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I ain't no Madonna!

Or is it Argentina?

cornbread ninja 麵包忍者

Strangely, Britten was one of the hardest on me.

2:42 AM

Nov 7 '12 at 22:00, by Robusto

And here's one for @tchrist:

I see. I needed it a year ago. Damn it.

I think I need to just go away and go to sleep.

Too much.

Wow. I turn to go and behind me the kitties are wrapped in each other’s arms, grooming each other’s faces like lovers. It is not much, but it must do.

That was one of the last arias Mozart ever wrote.

Mozart arias = Marias, lol.

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user116848

So, I was looking at the transcripts of first days of ELU chat. Cerberus, Reg, Rob, Mahnax and others are one of the oldest users of chat :D

2:46 AM

The resemblance! Uncanny!

@Arrowfar Mahnax? I think not.

We, together, are one of the oldest users of chat? Curious use of number there.

Sock puppets! I knew it!

Trying so hard to sound so different. It's so obvious now!

@Robusto I guess those are the only two choices.

Two choices?

user116848

2:49 AM

@Robusto I am fairly new here. Only five months old on ELU.

That doesn't excuse disagreement of number.

@Robusto Fühlst du nicht der Liebe Sehnen, so wird Ruh’ im Tode sein!

This is ELU chat, not MSO.

@tchrist Ah, I feel it.

Such a perfect rendition of it as well.

Not everything new is improved.

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@Robusto Disagreement of numbers? I am sorry if I offended anyone. Was it inappropriate?

@Robusto Selig sind...

2:53 AM

@Mitch Google Maps and Nokia Here are also free.

Getting back to the Berlioz, that Sanctus is so amazing. The anguish expressed by the tenor, and the balm of the women's choir coming in to soothe.

Listening to it now.

@Cerberus Using maps is cheating.

Unless you're trying to find the exact spot in geoguessr.

@Cerberus May I suggest the Magnificat (read: Bach’s) as a balm for afterwards. The trumpets seem to help.

That one is even from Amsterdam, just for you.

@Cerberus well, if you go that far, the iPhone map app is free too. WHy isn't that rated?

3:01 AM

@Mitch What else would you use navigation software for?

@tchrist Why, thank you.

@Mitch Because, if you have to pay €700 for the device first, and then you don't get offline navigation (right?), who would want to go through the trouble of testing that?

@Cerberus It has a . . . rejoinder, of sorts, two pieces on.

Amazing what he did with so few words.

Same here.

I’ve sung that so much. So much.

B-minor Massterwork.

‘Masterwork’? Probably the greatest piece of vocal music ever written. Probably. That or St Matt’s. Either way.

3:06 AM

Yeah, I go back and forth between those two myself.

We need another word.

@tchrist Ah, I know that one.

But not the church.

You sure it's in Amsterdam?

Certainly the best pieces of sacred vocal music.

@Cerberus I thought you might know the piece. I use it for sunrise when I’m driving alone crosscountry.

@Cerberus Not at all; the performers.

3:08 AM

@Robusto The explosion of what follows is mind-blowing, intentionally so of course.

And this is very popular, and for a reason.

Although the archaic mode of the Confiteor stirs me differently.

It appears to be in Leipzig.

@tchrist Yes. The shape of the whole thing is stunning.

I’m trying to remember the part of St Matt’s that my conductor called the sweetest thing ever written.

3:09 AM

I'm an atheist, but I feel betrayed by religion. I would love to have something that numinous in my life, as Bach must have felt it.

I tell the shrinks the same thing. They say, well then ago ahead and believe since you know it would make you feel so much better. I just glare at them.

This for me is the sweetest thing in the St. Matt's.

The finest music is spiritual, whether it's secular or not.

I was just flipping through the first lines of everything, trying to remember which it was.

This table actually has the score you need to piece it together.

St Matthew Passion structure

The structure of Bach's St Matthew Passion (Matthäuspassion), BWV 244, is shown in the table below. The original Latin title Passio Domini Nostri J.C. Secundum Evangelistam Matthaeum translates to "The Passion of our Lord J[esus] C[hrist] according to the Evangelist Matthew." Bach's large choral composition, composed to be performed in a service on Good Friday, is based on the Passion, as told in two chapters from the Gospel of Matthew in the translation by Martin Luther, Matthew 26 and Matthew 27. During the vespers service, the two parts of the work were performed before and after the sermon...

@Robusto Yes. the Warlich is a good nominee. I feel like it was in one of the Chorales, though, not one of the Choruses.

There aren’t many of those. I’ll just play through them all till it clicks.

Good idea.

3:24 AM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 In case you were planning to test Here Maps, which I know you aren't, the beta version has expired now (unless you have already downloaded maps), so don't bother installing it now.

@tchrist When I'm feeling low, I often play this on the piano:

It works. Somehow, as bad as things ever get, Beethoven's simple statement that life is still beautiful in its sadness helps me carry on.

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I really was a plural for data.
While data is the plural of datum.
I want multiple levels of plural
For saying "We considered data on Soccer, and data on Basket ball. The datas are similar"

there are like 6 different plural of data questions on ELU.SE already... I think, but am not sure, they all are concerned with data vs datum

3:40 AM

@Oxinabox Just the data are similar.

The fact that you have multiple kind of data from different sources together doesn't mean they're all still a bunch of data together.

@Robusto Thank you. Yes. I should do that. I so often turn to the 3rd movement to play just out of the blue, not in sequence.

Too often, probably.

@Rob In the same . . . something . . . do you know the Adagio from K457?

Actually, in the same several somethings. Duh.

Of course going from fast Cm to slow E♭ back to fast Cm should echo each other. Duh duh duh duh.

The Beethoven is more, I don’t know, maybe lyrical?

Maybe not.

It is more playful, less soulful. No offence to either composer.

The first few bars though seem more echo than that. Hm.

The Beethoven was written only 14 years after the Mozart. Huh. I still would think that Beethoven would have been familiar with it; Haydn could have shown him.

I just went and played the Beethoven. It’s A♭ not E♭like in the Mozart of course.

Well, I didn’t finished. Played the beginning of both, to see how they felt under my fingers.

I think I will go fix that.

4:21 AM

@Cerberus: But I want to say things like:
"data from other source domains can by handled by the DNN-LLR method only concurrently by mixing the out of domain datas."
Mixing the out of domain data, is a bit ambigous for my liking (though i guess grammatically correct.) I think I'll go find someone who has written about something like this before and ask them how to rebuild the sentence from scratch.

@Robusto Ok, that was worth doing. Thank you again. Different kind of nostalgia. I started with the 2nd and played through to the end of the 3rd. Of course Beethoven had to use A♭ for the 2nd movement because he keeps going back and forth between Cm and E♭ in the 3rd movement. Then there is that slow recap-like part in A♭ in the middle of the 3rd reminding you of the 2nd. Yeah, definitely worth doing.

I just wish my fingers would stop looking for the black keys now on this keyboard. :)

And yes, the Beethoven is better than the Mozart. It is crafted into something else.

But be careful: when you play the Beethoven right after the Mozart, you will have this strange urge to add fancy ornaments at the cadences. :)

Turns, mostly.

4:57 AM

@Oxinabox I can't really parse that, but, if you think it might result in confusion, I recommend recasting the sentence.

> 1.0
2.0
3.0
3.1(1)
95
98
Me
XP
Vista
7
8(.1)
10

Microsoft thought, hey, you skip versions? So can we!!
It's their solution to people who intended to skip even versions and go from 7 to 9.

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7:54 AM

Morning @matt!

Matt Эллен

hi @WillHunting

Finally, all my math books for next year's reading have arrived from amazon!

Matt Эллен

excellent

I made some mistake in ordering some language books that I won't need, and amazon said I can just refuse the delivery instead of shipping them back myself, yay!

Matt Эллен

yay!

7:56 AM

I hope that is true. Then I won't have to pay for the return shipping.

Matt Эллен

It's true in the UK. if I don't pick up a parcel, it goes back to where it came from after a week or so

There was once there was a page supposed to be printed but it was blank.

So check your books carefully when they arrive!

Anyway, I have thrown away all my meds and not taken them for a few days. I feel no difference.

Matt Эллен

I hope that remains the case :)

Yup. I think the meds lead to weight gain and libido loss.

@MattЭллен Are you on any such meds?

Matt Эллен

no

8:01 AM

Good, good.

It is three more months to the new year.

Matt Эллен

it is 0 more months until October

I might have to return to the army camp this weekend or the next, but it will last only a day, and I might not even be called.

Matt Эллен

fingers crossed, then

It's called mobilisation exercise. During this period, one is supposed to remain contactable at all times.

Ubuntu 14.10 will be out in 2 weeks.

I think I will go out for a walk now.

Matt Эллен

8:17 AM

CU

8:29 AM

@WillHunting What a coincidence, my exams are getting over in about 2 weeks. ☺

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10:56 AM

@tchrist Yes, of course. I would say that the difference between Mozart and Beethoven is that Mozart (mostly) maintains an innocence throughout. Sadness shows through the joy in spots, but there is an irrepressible joy. Beethoven, on the other hand, comes at you with full knowledge of the pain of life and lets the joy show through and, in some cases, erupt. Even in the face of doom, he says, joy may defy sorrow; it is, finally, what makes us noble.

Matt Эллен

even rpg.se is getting etymology questions

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Q: Origin of the term "Splat Book"

Where does the term "Splat Book" come from? Roughly a splat book is any book not required to play the system. There is some debate over its exact meaning, but that is not the point of this question. Usage example: my gaming club has a guideline: "The club will not buy any splat books unless a m...

history-of-gaming terminology books

@tchrist My fingers have been known to fly off into a spontaneous grupetto on occasion.

@MattЭллен English is all about role playing.

I would note that the writing is not particularly good in that passage. The cliché of the well works against the one of the checklist: stale tropes for a stale, increasingly irrelevant publication. — Robusto 28 secs ago

Yoichi seems to find some of the worst prose to wonder about—and I suppose it's no wonder.

Matt Эллен

heh, yeah :D

1 hour later…

12:23 PM

Hear me, heathens and wizards / And serpents of sin! / All your dastardly doings are past, / For a holy endeavor is now to begin / And virtue shall triumph at last! / I am I, Don Quixote, / The Lord of La Mancha, / My destiny calls and I go, / And the wild winds of fortune / Will carry me onward, / Oh whithersoever they blow. / Whithersoever they blow, / Onward to glory I go!

A quixotic joust at a silly question.

12:42 PM

It takes but a lawyer to put the lie to Colin’s asseveration that a silent -e is never maintained in writing when the compound word following begins with a vowel:

> whereafter [rel. adv.]
† whereˈafterward [adv.] ← whereafter
whereanent [rel. adv.]
whereas [rel. adv.]
whereat [adv.]
whereby [adv.]
wherefore [adv.]
› whereforth ← where
† whereˈfro [adv.]
wherefrom [adv.]
† wherehen [adv.]
wherein [adv.]
† where·inne [adv.]
where․insoˈever [adv.]
† where․inˈtill [adv.]
whereinto [adv.]
† wheremid [adv.]
whereness [n.]
× wherenigh → where
whereof [adv.]
† where-ˈoffen [adv.] ← whereof
whereon [adv.]
whereout [adv.]
whereso [adv.]
wheresoever [adv.]
† wheresome [adv.]

I can’t believe they didn’t deal whereanent the dagger-of-death.

Whothehellever still says that is nobody I know, that's for damned sure.

You know, I do believe I’ve just discovered another tmetic expletive.

Expletives of all sorts do tend to do that: you never know when Tourette’s will strike.

ya, that's a strange sounding one

Which, whereanent or whothehellever?

former

Yeah.

It’s just like the damned Scots to go thinking that the zombie-preposition anent is not only still alive but productive.

that's a zombie alright

strange

12:51 PM

> whereanent /hwɛərəˈnɛnt/, rel. adv. Orig. and chiefly Sc.

Etymology: f. where¹⁵ + anent prep.¹¹.

Anent or concerning which.

1579 Sc. Acts Jas. VI. lxii. (1814) III. 182/2 ― The auld fundationis··notwᵗstanding qʳanent his maᵗⁱᵉ··dispenssis.
1609 Skene Reg. Maj. i. 7 b, ― The debaitable matter, quhairanent the summons is made.
1681 in Nairne Peerage Evid. (1874) 15 ― That the said letters··passe the great seale per saltum whereanent these presents shall be a sufficient warrant.
1899 tr. Dante’s Paradiso xxxi. 379 ― To question my Lady concerning things whereanent my mind was in suspense.

I don’t know what’s scarier: that anent has no fewer than eleven primary senses, or that early printers went gonzo over being able to set things in superiors.

here

The first reference for whereanent spells it Scottishly qʳanent. They were clearly very serious about their /hw/ morpheme back then.

If just a q and a superscript r is enough to represent where.

Hmm, makes me wonder if query and where are related.

@tchrist 'Wherehen'? Wherehen?

@Robusto You’re asking if all the wh- question words came from a PIE /kʰʷ/? I believe this is well-known.

@Mitch I knew I could rely on you, Mitch.

They’re all still qu- in Latin.

And pre-unification Scots.

12:58 PM

@tchrist That's what I'm here for.

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