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3:00 PM
We have a user with nearly 9,000 reputation giving a completely bogus answer (in comments) on a basic grammar question.
 
Pictured from top to bottom: Germany, big ass.
 
@ΜετάEd is that Kris?
 
@MattЭллен yes.
 
Careful though, it becomes gay once the ass and the Stalingrad touch.
 
@ΜετάEd I was pondering ealier how he got all his reps
 
3:02 PM
What are all the possible combinations of English words? We should list them all and check off which ones form even remotely grammatical sentences, then store them in a Google database so that ELL folks can search for their own personal word-melange and leave us alone.
 
@Robusto that has been tried before.
It went by the name "Artificial Intelligence".
 
See? We should have applied real intelligence to the problem.
 
Tell me about it.
 
@tchrist +1 to you, sir.
 
Can you tell me about the past Higgs participle? How is it different from the subjunctive mood?
 
3:08 PM
@Robusto And don't forget those people who think they can analyse and produce proper English with computer stuff.
 
Is this a tag yet?
Yes! It is!
 
I thought it might have to go through a vetting process.
 
@tchrist I worked on a recipe from typecooker.com last night. I ended up cooking NABOKOV and ran out of room on my page. The recipe called for a ligature, so I overlapped the OV.
 
I am unfamiliar with the plumbing here, having declined to pursue janitorial duties.
 
3:10 PM
There is no pipe.
 
Excuse me: "... having had declined ..."
 
The pipe is a lipe.
 
Jez
@ЯegDwight how was Germany so unbelievably Balkanized?
and how did it then form one country?
 
They were offered jelly donuts by Bismarck.
 
Jez
jelly?
jam doughnuts are the best
 
3:13 PM
Wevs.
 
Were you not taught any history at school??
 
Jez
not about germany, tbh, before WW2
 
England was Balkanized as well at various times.
 
@Jez that's not balkanized. Check out what it looked like two hundred years before that.
Every burg was a country of its own.
 
Jez
it shouldnt be called "balkanized", it should be called "germanized"
 
3:14 PM
That is true.
 
Italy was similarly fragmented before Gariboldi. Both countries became amalgamations at about the same time.
 
Does this answer your question?
 
Jez
@Cerberus weren't most of those counties in a union to form a country, though?
or at least 3 countries
 
Not in the 5th century.
 
And what was Germany's first official act? To go and kick France to the curb.
 
3:15 PM
D'oh.
France has started it.
 
Jez
hmm. so, why do bigger countries form? i'm always interested by this. why do we have Russia, and also Luxembourg?
why does Vladivostok not want to break from Russia, but Scotland does from England?
 
Because of the past Higgs participle.
 
There are no hard laws in history.
Each city, each person is different.
Generalising is dangerous.
 
It takes a tough man to make a tender country. — Vladimir Putin
 
It is far more complicated than some computer program.
 
Jez
3:16 PM
not in Civ2
 
Feb 8 '11 at 15:59, by Robusto
And remember: all generalizations are false.
 
Tender country as envisioned by Putin.
 
Jez
everything I say is a lie
 
@Jez And Civ is the acme of realism.
 
Jez
3:17 PM
it's the acme of awesomeism
 
Civ 2? Pfft. I am already on Civ 5.
 
"The acne of realism". A nice dadaesque film title.
 
@Robusto Never say never!
 
@Cerberus Never!
 
Jez
mind you i liked the look of that medieval empires game
 
3:18 PM
slap
 
Jez
but i'd better not get started on it or i'll get addicted
 
Bacne is just like acne except you don't see it when you look in the mirror.
 
@ЯegDwight Are we allowed to post an answer like this?
 
@Jez The sizes of states have fluctuated throughout history. And you should also consider how broad the concept of a "state" is: if it takes a month to get a message from one end of your empire to the other; if the Emperor only has power in his royal capital, but his dukes and counts rule their own domains; if most people never pay taxes or use government services: do states even matter? Are they at all comparable?
 
Also, Canada may be the hat of the USA, but it's a big, floppy Queen Elizabeth-type hat, which no American would wear who could avoid doing so.
 
3:22 PM
We have been part of a huge wave of centralisation ever since the Renaissance in Europe, much accelerated by the Industrial Revolution too.
Similar developments can be seen in the rest of the world, mainly through European colonisation and technological advances.
Although China has always known its own dynamic.
But almost every country except China was largely formed by Europe.
 
@Cerberus If one state uses foreign policy to badger another state into changing its laws to the benefit of the first state, does the second state even matter?
@Cerberus what about Japan?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Exactly: there are various kinds of vassalage and tributary states. And puppet governments.
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, Japan is an exception as well.
And Korea.
 
@Cerberus Well, Korea's complicated, because it's currently split in two due to a proxy war between the communists and the West
 
@Gigili what do you mean? Is there something wrong with it?
 
I wonder if the British love to win prises
By trying on hats of various sises
Before they invarably do grow ould
And are buried deep in the ground so could.
 
3:26 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I suppose you could say the current border between North and South was partly shaped by European influence, yes.
@Robusto Haha.
 
@Cerberus I would say that, given that I consider the USSR to have been a European thing moreso than an Asian thing.
 
Well, England may lose its cherished hat.
 
@Cerberus If Canada is the US's hat, Scotland will be England's hat whether they like it or not
 
@ЯegDwight It's hardly an answer. I mean, many pictures and that xkcd is totally irrelevant.
 
it's guarded well. I think it's safe for now
Oh, you mean Scotland
 
3:27 PM
It's not like Canada is part of the US
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yes, but was it mainly Russian forces that pushed the border where it is now? Or North-Korean ones?
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 True.
@MattЭллен You should guard Scotland better, or your Prince will lose the duchy of Edinburgh!
 
@Cerberus Well, I don't know all the details, but my understanding is that China+USSR were basically supplying the North Koreans and that there were unofficial cases of actual combat between US fighter planes and Soviet fighter planes.
 
@Cerberus it's not guarding it needs. it needs protection from itself.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah exactly.
And China is not exactly European, although communism is European of course.
@MattЭллен Right, right.
 
@Cerberus But the USSR is European
 
3:30 PM
@Gigili the answer is one word. The answer does mention that word. The pictures are there to provide further examples. The comic is relevant, too, though I agree it is probably the least relevant part.
 
Just as Austria needed protection from itself in 1938.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 famous last words.
 
@Cerberus probably
 
According to Wikipedia, which never, ever lies, Korea was split in two after WWII by the US/USSR. THEN there was a war about it afterwards.
So I was watching a video the other day which claimed that WWI should be examined in schools as "the time Britain invaded Iraq so that Germany couldn't get the oil"
 
You gotta give Germany one thing, they never invaded a country beginning with an I.
 
3:34 PM
Heh.
 
It sure makes a lot more sense than "One guy was murdered, then all the countries lined up and started shooting at each other and couldn't stop because they had treaties that said they'd do that"
 
@ЯegDwight Ummm liar!
 
@ЯegDwight I've never seen an answer like that. Soon we'll have xkcds in all questions and answers. It looks odd.
 
Do you know Charlemagne?
 
My bait is working.
Though not on the animal I was expecting it to.
 
3:35 PM
"Working"? What was it supposed to accomplish?
 
Bait you.
Hence the name, bait.
 
Oh, and Odoacer!
And that other guy, Theodoric.
 
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A: Which term correctly identifies those who enjoy programming/technology: "geek" or "nerd"?

VonCThe most probable term would be "geek", as in "computer geek" (roughly "computer whiz"). (not the US geek from fifty years ago, as the lowest form of circus performer, who did horrible, demeaning things). Even though a geek is not necessarily smart or into computers, but can be in general a "weir...

 
@ЯegDwight But wai? And which other animal did you have in mind?
 
3:37 PM
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A: What does "if you will" mean?

ЯegDwightNo, it is not a short form of anything. Here, will is not an auxiliary verb, but a full verb. Nothing is omitted in the sentence. Will, here, is used in the meaning "want" or "wish", which is considered archaic in most other contexts, outside of set phrases. It is related to the German wollen, Du...

 
WTH.
 
@ЯegDwight Damn.
Why was that deleted a year and a half later?
So stupid.
Humourless.
 
I'm the last one to take sides with XKCD, but it would be dishonest to say that a random XKCD is less relevant than a random NGram.
@Cerberus it is not an answer.
 
Why do people want us to be a boring, humourless, bureaucratic site, where rules are enforced just for the heck of it, like some sort of game?
 
3:41 PM
Oh come on.
Not this tirade again.
 
Too late.
 
One answer that is not an answer is gone, and you smell a conspiracy.
Ease up.
 
From Cerb's answer:
> This is a surprising development. A pertinent xkcd comic comes to mind. But I am rather drunk now, so I will save myself the trouble of deleting emotional remarks in the morning. For the record, I never typed-and-deleted any such remarks.
 
@Cerberus a) it is a game b) posting non-answers is not helpful.
 
At least be glad that I constrained my tirade to one line.
@MattЭллен See, I won't even escalate the discussion and respond to this.
 
3:43 PM
@Cerberus and I won't not escalate the discussion and not respond to that
 
Indeed you did not not!
 
said the priest to the choir boy
 
That's more of a daily report than an answer.
 
anyway - time to argue with the traffic.
 
@ЯegDwight This strikes me of how I use certain idioms just for padding, as it were
 
3:45 PM
A year from now, I predict that people will edit my example sentences about Antiquity, replacing all "Cleopatras" with "Janes", because the references are irrelevant and too difficult, and the modern reader only wants modern examples that appeal to his small bureaucratic world.
 
@GraceNote you have no other choice. That's how language works.
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Q: Garbage/stuff words

Ondra ŽižkaI've watched two interviews. One with Grace Park, one with Eliza Dushku. What one can't miss is that Eliza uses an awful lot of garbage words (or how is it called) — um, so, like, you know, actually, I guess, I mean, kind of... — whereas Grace doesn't use them much. YouTube links: G...

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Q: Why am I always compelled to begin a response with "Well, "?

tooshelBecause of a certain 140 character limit I've learned where I can trim characters on responses but even after all this time I still reply with "Well, so and so . . ." and I go back and have to delete it (even on comments to this site I start with well and then delete it). Is it because that's gen...

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Q: Starting an independent statement with "I mean, ..."

mskfisherA friend was noting that his daughter would occasionally start sentences with the phrase "I mean, " simply for emphasis, not for clarification: Friend: How was the Miley Cyrus concert? Friend's daughter: I mean, it was the best concert ever! I have typically seen "I mean" used to jo...

ETCPP
 
Padding I always use are "as it were", "to wit" (much to a lot of people's annoyance", and "more to point"
 
Well, I feel that well has a certain function.
 
So it does. So does the answer say.
Which is why I linked to it in the first place.
No duplication of effort in this chat.
 
@Cerberus Stop! We want no feelings here! No mushy, mushy feelings!
 
3:47 PM
I use it to mean "what you're saying is not untrue, but it is not what I mean, or my point seems more relevant/exact that...".
 
@Cerberus come on. You'd totally start that with "Well, what you're saying is..."
 
That's not mushy. That's Britney Spears.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 ...is crap?
 
21 hours ago, by ЯegDwight
@WillHunting Muschi is German for pussy. The female genitalia kind.
 
3:48 PM
@ЯegDwight ...
 
@Cerberus what you are omitting is not untrue, but my exclamation points seem more relevant!!!
 
@Cerberus I've never seen the video before. WTF does it take place on Mars?!?
 
I don't know whose rock is worse, Grace's or Mr Shiny's.
 
Oh, and "Well, ..." doesn't mean that what you said was not useful in the discussion or it shouldn't have been said; it just means I'm going to side-step your line of reasoning a bit, for whatever reason.
@ЯegDwight .
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 <no comment>
@ЯegDwight Or mine!
Mine is certainly bigger.
 
@Cerberus can you please stop wasting your time on saying things a) everyone here knows and b) everyone including yourself has already said on the linked questions.
 
3:51 PM
@ЯegDwight Ditto to you!
 
Like, seriously, if you will.
 
@ЯegDwight what rock?
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 the one you've been living under for the last decades.
 
He didn't even get that??
 
@ЯegDwight what, because I don't watch Britney Spears music videos? I do know the song
 
3:52 PM
Rock. Big. Dark.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 no, because you don't happen across videos that are all over the place everywhere ever and have been for times immemorial.
 
Slimy things.
Epomis beetles.
 
Heck, I've seen Linkin Park and System of a Down and Nickelback videos.
 
@ЯegDwight It's not that! It's that I avoid most pop music videos on account of the music sucks
 
See above.
 
3:53 PM
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 And the videos.
 
I am not a person who actively seeks to see Nickelback videos.
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A: Best word for portfolio / projects / references?

hannnndywhats wrong with "projects done", I think portfolio is a page which contains all this projects in with a single logo os screen shot!

Sigh.
 
Well, I guess you waste more time watching videos you don't want to see than I do.
 
That much is true.
Mar 22 '11 at 15:28, by RegDwight
That's like saying, don't go watch Titanic, it sucks. Well, thanks a bunch but I would like to build my own opinion. Even if I know in advance, even if I am 100% certain that Titanic sucks, I will still watch it. Because otherwise, how can I possibly argue why it sucks?
Aug 3 at 15:31, by RegDwight АΑA
Jun 5 at 14:36, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8
I am not one of those people who hate on a movie without seeing it. I want to be able to tell you why I hate it. Otherwise any die-hard fan could just present any number of arguments to which I would know nothing to respond.
 
@ЯegDwight You're crazy.
Do you also eat dog poop because you want to be able to tell why it tastes bad?
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No. I like to win arguments.
 
3:57 PM
I guess if you like arguing about/criticizing music videos, you might intentionally watch ones you don't like or expect to be bad.
 
Then your life must be unfulfilling.
 
I get it, you are a dog, so you had to bring up dog poo. Original!
 
As in, you always lose here, muwahaha.
 
@Cerberus That is so f-cked up. What kind of video is that?
 
But you certainly don't need to watch ALL the videos to be able to just bitch about how bad videos are.
 
3:58 PM
@ЯegDwight Ding!
@KitFox It should be part of any teenage girl's education!
 
Actually that Britney video was not bad, video-wise. Just strange that they put the song into a Mars mission. And then there's a scene where they are talking with no helmets on, but the voices are all "talking-on-the-comlink-muted/scratchy"
 
Her outfit is terrible.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I think we've strayed way too far from the original point. Which was that not having seen Oops I Did It Again is like never having seen IE6. It is possible, if you live under a rock.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Yeah, that part was silly, but thankfully the rest of the video was painstakingly realistic.
 
@ЯegDwight I've never seen it.
 
3:59 PM
@ЯegDwight Nah, music videos are completely secondary to the songs themselves. If I had never heard the song, that'd be like having never used IE6.
 
@KitFox I used to be able to dance that choreo. True story.
Not from the video, mind you. From Top of the Pops.
 
@ЯegDwight I recently dug up my old Winamp playlist of ten years ago. Turns out I hadn't seen a single music videos of all those songs. Or barely any.
@ЯegDwight ...
 
I don't think I've ever listen to the lyrics either. WTF? "Oops, giggle, I'm a f-cking prick tease. I'm so naughty."
 
@ЯegDwight What celestial pole have you been living on??
 
@Cerberus stop that.
If you have nothing to say, don't.
 
4:01 PM
(...)
 
Superfluous punctuation killed the radio star.
 
Hahaha.
Yes!!
 
It doesn't even make any sense.
 
$\dots$
 
Mixed tapes are nothing!
 
4:02 PM
So that was Britney then, this is her now:
Note: now they use AutoTune like it's an instrument.
 
@KitFox who now? Me or Britney Spears? (Never thought I'd ask that question. I guess I have asked everything now.)
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 I blame Cher. And so should you.
 
@ЯegDwight "Oops, ... I played with your heart. You think I'm in love. I'm not that innocent." So basically she's just saying she's a f-cking bitch playing head games?
 
And we think that's awesome?
 
@KitFox yes?
 
4:04 PM
What is wrong with people?
 
@KitFox yes?
 
She had to, because she was launching her career from her old Mouseketeers career. So now she's "grown up" and "sexy"
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Wow. That is a like a parody, so bad.
 
@KitFox have you heard her first single? Hit me baby one more time. I rest my case.
 
It's not even catchy in any way.
 
4:05 PM
@Cerberus because Max Martin dropped her like a hot potato after her second album.
 
@KitFox Is it supposed to be awesome? I thought she was admitting mistakes.
@ЯegDwight How do you know these things?
Sick.
 
@Cerberus I actually don't mind that song. Compared to most of the current pop songs I hear, it's a'ight. Most pop is CRAP.
 
It's horrible.
 
That guy had musical education under his belt. Wrote operas. Played piano. These days, they take the next best jerk who can find the "on" switch in AutoTune. Often the artist themself.
 
The autotune makes it sound completely like...background noise.
 
4:06 PM
I hate autotune so much
 
@Cerberus it's common knowledge if you have some basic musical education. :P
 
The melody is nearly absent.
 
@Cerberus Why not just go all the way? "I don't care who you are, you stupid pansy, I just want to torture you so you give me stuff. And I'm going to keep doing that because you are stupid."
 
@ЯegDwight Then the German Music Curriculum for Adults must be different from ours.
 
@KitFox that is her fourth album.
 
4:08 PM
Well suddenly I have respect for Ms. Spears.
 
Wow, this song of hers is basically shitty "dance" music wrapped around the joke "If I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?"
 
Where can I find her porn?
 
@KitFox Heh. Yes, she is being a bitch, and her remorse is on the weak side.
 
Womanizer, woman-womanizer, you're a womanizer
Oh, womanizer, oh, you’re a womanizer baby
You, you-you are, you, you-you are
Womanizer, womanizer, womanizer
Womanizer
Actual lyrics of Ms Spears's.
 
4:08 PM
Haha.
Pure creativity.
 
As simple as the peanut-butter floor.
 
That one did have a shot at a hook line, I'll give them that.
 
And people like simplicity these days.
 
But I must be off.
BBL
 
4:11 PM
@ЯegDwight Not as bad as the newer one, but still awfully bland and non-catchy.
I mean, catchy is the best she was ever going to achieve, and now look at her.
 
@ЯegDwight Oh there's the porn.
 
It's kinda a shame that Britney's talents are basically wasted on such shitty music. She's not a bad entertainer. She (or her handlers) just has no taste.
 
They should never have let her out of her cage.
 
I disagree. They should let her out whenever they write a good song for her to sing.
 
I agree with you @Mr.Shiny. She's hot, she can dance, her voice seems pretty good.
But the music is just shit.
It enrages me for so many reasons.
She needs lessons from Dolly Parton or something.
 
4:19 PM
do you ever turn the radio over to the pop music channel? it's excruciating
 
I try not to listen to crap.
Well, I don't listen much to music I don't know already.
 
@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Never done that in my life!
But I have heard it on car radios.
It's funny how different our Queens look.
Ours never wears a crown.
 
She wears cool hats though.
 
Yeah.
Today she read the yearly Throne Oration.
There is no better way to translate it.
@Spare: Click the image again, then link to it.
 
What?
 
4:27 PM
Hmm.
 
Crown of feathers.
 
Just like that.
 
@Cerberus Crown of feathers also.
 
4:27 PM
Oh, like that.
 
@ΜετάEd Yes, yes, you have your Queen too. Also very dignified.
 
@Cerberus No, no. That's a British Queen too.
 
@SpareOom Yup, whomever she bought that hat from was probably inspired by such birds.
@ΜετάEd Oh, right.
 
American Queen:
 
That's not the QE2...
 
4:29 PM
African Queen
 
Queen Of Everything
 
Ohh.
Is she related to Mum-Rha?
Or how do you spell that?
The mummy from Thundercats.
 
@Cerberus probably not, different universe
 
(Thundercats was the best show ever when I was young.)
 
Mumra, wasnit?
 
4:32 PM
Oh, too bad.
 
I think she's related to ramen.
 
Hah.
 
The Tasty King Of Everything.
 
So many appendages.
 
7 mins ago, by ΜετάEd
user image
 
4:34 PM
Oops, sorry for the dupe.
 
Exactly! Somehow I missed it earlier.
 
It's okay. They'll battle it out.
 
@cornbreadninja I've never seen one.
 
4:54 PM
Weekly writer's chat going on now in The Overlook. Today we're discussing ideas for National Novel Writing Month, and looking at some short fiction some of us did as part of last week's exercises. Come join us, if you like.
 

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