English Language Learners

By the way, since we're going to use eyeglasses as cameras too in the near future. I hereby declare that I got a similar idea to Glass several years ago, inspired by Japanese anime. It's a personal assistant that sits on your shoulder and do similar things a Glass would do. :D

Something that looks like Pokemon would be cute. :-)

Anonymous

5:38 PM

@Nico I have no idea

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Not on my watch! ;-)

Anonymous

Seriously, I hate that word.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. I'm not convinced that we are

Anonymous

Maybe if some enterprising company comes up with some useful wearable tech

Anonymous

It'd be a nice future where wearables were practical and useful

Anonymous

5:40 PM

Glass is basically the opposite of those two things, though

Anonymous

I can't see it having a future

Anonymous

Of course, I can't actually see the future.

Anonymous

So that doesn't tell us much. :-)

Anonymous

At the moment, there's also a sizable social cost for adoption

Anonymous

People object to head-mounted cameras in a way they don't to camera phones

fahdijbeli

5:41 PM

look this sentence :he threw his cigarette down and stamped on it

I want to understand the word stamped

Anonymous

Stepped on it with great force

fahdijbeli

yes if I use stamped out

so the contraire ?

stamped+out

the post positin

he threw his cigarette down and stamped out on it

in this case dont stepped on it ?

Anonymous

Stamped out on it is ungrammatical

fahdijbeli

ah ok I seen may be yesterday it in text I will seek it one minute

I found it

:

Anonymous

> He threw his cigarette down and stamped it out.　　←　　He used his foot to extinguish the flame.

Anonymous

5:46 PM

> He threw his cigarette down and stamped on it.　　←　　He stepped on it with great force.

fahdijbeli

The first coins were stamped out of electrum, a natural alloy of gold and silver, in Lydia in the seventh century BCE.

Anonymous

That's grammatical and has a very different meaning

fahdijbeli

what its meaning here ?

Anonymous

It refers to a process for minting coins using a stamp

Damkerng T.

Try macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/stamp-out, sense 3

Anonymous

5:48 PM

There we go

fahdijbeli

you have to leave ?

@snailboat

Anonymous

I do not

Anonymous

"There we go" = "Ahh, that looks good."

fahdijbeli

ok

Anonymous

(in this context)

Anonymous

5:50 PM

"There we go, let's use that definition."

fahdijbeli

so stamp out somethink is it will be banking ?

ah ok

Anonymous

Minting, creating a coin

fahdijbeli

ok noticed

Damkerng T.

@snailboat That's why my idea was rejected, even though I tried to add the cute factor (by using something like Pokemon). :D

Anonymous

There's a common science fiction trope of cameras mounted internally in someone's eye

Damkerng T.

5:52 PM

Eww... That's too much for me.

Anonymous

If you think about Star Trek, where Geordi had a prosthetic for vision (his "visor")

Anonymous

It enabled him to see, and surely no one would object to a special type of glasses that allow a blind person to see

Damkerng T.

In his condition, it's probably a good idea.

Anonymous

But if we think about it practically

Anonymous

What are the odds that a far-future set of glasses like that wouldn't also be able to record? :-)

Damkerng T.

5:54 PM

Really slim, I guess. :D

Anonymous

Maybe one day wearable head-mounted cameras will be unavoidable

Damkerng T.

I think I was inspired by the idea of self-documentary.

(So I don't have to write my own journal, sort of. That says pretty much about my laziness. :-)

TheIntern

What's used more

swag or #swag

Damkerng T.

I'm not sure I understand that. Aren't they both the same?

Btw, welcome to the chat room!

TheIntern

thx :)

so like would u say I have swag or I have #swag

Anonymous

6:01 PM

English words, generally speaking, don't generally have # prepended to them

Damkerng T.

Could you paraphrase that?!

Anonymous

Twitter hash tags, IRC channels, occasionally numbers do

TheIntern

k thx

Damkerng T.

Ahh... It's about tags.

Anonymous

And occasionally it's used as slang, even in speech

TheIntern

6:04 PM

Anyone know a sentence that has all the letters in the alphabet besides "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog"? That one's getting kinda old....

Damkerng T.

Hmm... Seems like J.R. posted an alternative once.

Anonymous

Wikipedia knows lots.

TheIntern

The guy with the orange apple as his pic?

Damkerng T.

Ahh... That should work too.

Anonymous

List of pangrams

This is a list of pangrams, which are sentences using every letter of the alphabet at least once. == Perfect pangrams in English (26 letters) == === Without abbreviations, acronyms, contractions, initialisms, isolated letters, proper nouns, Roman numerals === Cwm fjord veg balks nth pyx quiz. (Relaxing in basins at the end of inlets terminates the endless tests from the box.) Cwm fjord bank glyphs vext quiz. (Carved symbols in a mountain hollow on the bank of an inlet irritated an eccentric person.) Jink cwm, zag veldt, fob qursh pyx. (Cross valley and plain to steal coins from Saudi m...

TheIntern

6:05 PM

I'll look at that thanks :)

Damkerng T.

@TheIntern Yep. But probably using Wikipedia is quicker.

> My ex pub quiz crowd gave joyful thanks.

TheIntern

"Go, lazy fat vixen; be shrewd, jump quick" is the best one on there xD

Damkerng T.

I like this version. :D

Lots of nice alternatives there.

TheIntern

Yep

bye

user116848

Hi!

Damkerng T.

6:08 PM

Bye! Hi!

Anonymous

Fare well!

Damkerng T.

> นายสังฆภัณฑ์ เฮงพิทักษ์ฝั่ง ผู้เฒ่าซึ่งมีอาชีพเป็นฅนขายฃวด ถูกตำรวจปฏิบัติการจับฟ้องศาล ฐานลักนาฬิกาคุณหญิงฉัตรชฎา ฌานสมาธิ

Umm... It's the first time I've seen that!

Anonymous

Is that from a news article?

Damkerng T.

It's a Pangram in Thai.

Anonymous

Oh!

Anonymous

6:10 PM

I fed it into Google Translate and it came up with complete gibberish

Anonymous

But it sounded vaguely like a news article

Anonymous

:-)

Anonymous

> Mr Heng Sangkhapan the Guardian The Old Man, whose career as prizes for Quaid. Police arrested the court Khunying Jada tiered base clock Luxembourg contemplative meditation.

Damkerng T.

Sort of! :-)

Anonymous

Thanks Google Translate, for always being funny

Damkerng T.

6:11 PM

In order to use all the letters, they came up with two strange names, but passable. :D

นายสังฆภัณฑ์ เฮงพิทักษ์ฝั่ง -> Mr Heng Sangkhapan the Guardian The Old Man -- LOL!

That part is actually quite close. The rest was quite gibberish.

Anonymous

J.R

91 1

Anonymous

Look! Another J.R!

Damkerng T.

Hah!

> いろはにほへとちりぬるをわかよたれそつねならむうゐのおくやまけふこえてあさきゆめみしゑひもせす（ん）

Anonymous

That is the traditional "alphabetical order" of Japanese

Anonymous

As learners, we need to be aware of at least the first three (いろは), or if possible the first line (いろはにほへと), although there's no real need to memorize the whole thing unless you want to

Damkerng T.

6:15 PM

Google Translate seems not to be able to parse any part of it!

Anonymous

It's not Modern Japanese

Anonymous

It's Early Middle Japanese

Damkerng T.

Ahh

Anonymous

Not to mention it doesn't use voicing diacritics for the voiced morae

Anonymous

In fact, the いろは was so influential in establishing the kana orthography that it's largely responsible for the sei-daku (voiceless/voiced) distinction not being indicated in writing

Anonymous

6:17 PM

(In Old Japanese it was indicated rather consistently!)

Anonymous

Anyway, it's no wonder Google can't translate it―Early Middle Japanese (EMJ) is a different language!

Damkerng T.

Ahh, I knew it. There is no such a pangram in Chinese!

user116848

@DamkerngT. Damks some time ago a native guy asked the meaning of the word "sesqui" on ELU chat and a very reputed user there scolded him to be asking that question (since he was native). The reputed user said that even twelve years old knows about that. So did you know this word? I didn't, although I have a good vocabulary. Since it is not a very common word I guess.

Anonymous

Haha. Because Chinese has no syllabary!

Anonymous

Though it sort of does.

Anonymous

6:20 PM

There's bopomofo, for example.

Anonymous

So I s'pose you could put together a bopomofo pangram, if you wanted to. It's beyond me, though

Anonymous

A pinyin pangram would also be possible

Damkerng T.

@Arrowfar No, I don't know its meaning without having to look it up.

Anonymous

> He asailede him & drou is suerd · & smot mid al is miȝte

user116848

Hmm

Anonymous

6:21 PM

Google Translate probably can't handle Early Middle English, either…

Damkerng T.

@snailboat Haha!

Anonymous

Sesqui is not, to my knowledge, an English word, although it is a part of at least one word I would imagine most twelve-year-old native speakers know, sesquipedalian

user116848

Do we have Jarvis the bot here? I wanted to ask Jarvis something.

Damkerng T.

Nope. Jarvis operates only in the other room.

user116848

@DamkerngT. I see

Anonymous

6:24 PM

Sesqui- is a prefix, but that is not the same thing as a word.

Anonymous

Also sesquicentennial, but that's relatively uncommon.

Damkerng T.

By the way, I checked out my TV program and found Octopussy :-)

Anonymous

So presumably whoever wrote that about sesqui was making some sort of joke.

user116848

Yeah it could be. But he sounded serious.

Anonymous

I looked at the log, and it does look like he was serious. It's not accurate to refer to it as a word, though, in my opinion.

Damkerng T.

6:32 PM

I'm not sure. I think there might be some back stories.

Anonymous

Saying "any half-bright twelve-year-old should know" it? Well, without discussing whether or not that's likely to be true, it seems to be used more for rhetorical effect than its literal meaning

user116848

I see

Anonymous

The message is "This is not something difficult that you need to ask me about. Go look it up in a dictionary"

user116848

Yeah but the people there took it as rude.

Anonymous

That's not surprising.

Damkerng T.

6:35 PM

This question is popular now! ell.stackexchange.com/questions/30255/…

I think it's now obvious that it's AmE.

Anonymous

@DamkerngT. Seems like a reasonable guess.

Anonymous

When I search BNC for was|were|are|'re|is|am|be shooting to, I find only one relevant example.

Anonymous

> Cypress' superscalar CPU plugs into its Nimbus-designed motherboard and Pinnacle is shooting to deliver four HyperSparc models by the end of the year.

Damkerng T.

To guess further, I guess that basketball must be involved. :D

Anonymous

And that may be AmE influence.

Anonymous

6:39 PM

You may guess that all you like, and it's plausible enough that I'd believe it, but not without further evidence :-)

Damkerng T.

It's just a guess, anyway. :D

I'd better leave it at that.

user116848

Yeah. Sorry.

user116848

I didn't mean to.

Damkerng T.

I take it that you were curious, which is fine.

user116848

@snailboat Ms Boat can you please delete my posts above. Please!. It looks bad come to think of it.

Damkerng T.

6:43 PM

In any case, he wrote a book that I like to read. And I think of our skull as a friend. ;-)

user116848

But I like tchrist more. He has helped me alot.

user116848

**Sorry tchrist. I didn't mean to offend anyone :D **

AJ Henderson

done

Damkerng T.

Ah, another lovely cat!

user116848

I am such a Duh!

user116848

6:47 PM

:)

user116848

@AJHenderson Thanks!

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. thanks, that's Shadow, I actually have two kitties

but that one got lucky enough to be the one I had a photo handy of when I was making the avatar

kitty will probably be replaced in around a month when baby is born though

Damkerng T.

Hehe... I have one. He's a fat lazy cat named Hagu. :-)

AJ Henderson

neither of our cats is particularly lazy, but Cole is this really big, friendly black kitty

shadow is playful but only personable if she is in the mood for it

Damkerng T.

Ahh... How old is Shadow?

Hagu is around five (and I worry a little about his weight).

AJ Henderson

6:51 PM

4 and a half or so

both cats are around that age actually

Damkerng T.

Ah! They are around the same age!

AJ Henderson

we had Shadow first and then got Cole because Shadow was lonely

Damkerng T.

Ah, I think I understand. I feel like I want to have another cat often enough.

AJ Henderson

cole

Damkerng T.

Ah, this guy looks cool!

AJ Henderson

6:53 PM

shadow

Anonymous

@Arrowfar Okay. Give me a moment.

Damkerng T.

Hello Shadow!

@snailboat AJ just helped Arrowfar out a while ago.

Anonymous

Oh, okay. So I don't need to do anything?

Anonymous

I haven't caught up with the backlog yet.

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. technically it was me and someone else. I got one of the flags, then 3 more showed up and someone got those before me

Anonymous

6:54 PM

I see that in my absence, cats!

user116848

Yeah it's good now I guess. Thanks everyone!

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see. I forgot about the flagging.

Anonymous

I was in the kitchen chopping carrots.

user116848

:)

AJ Henderson

I really do need to get a better picture of cole online at some point

that one is kind of old

Damkerng T.

6:56 PM

AJ Henderson

I like the top and bottom look

Damkerng T.

That's my Hagu. I'm lousy at cameras. :D

Anonymous

Aww!

Damkerng T.

@AJHenderson Ah, he always looks up to me. :D

AJ Henderson

well, if it makes you feel better, my camera costs (a whole, whole lot) more and I still think that is a fine photo

Damkerng T.

6:58 PM

Thanks!

AJ Henderson

there's a more recent one of Cole hanging out with me, taken by my wife as I was trying to teach her to use my camera

Damkerng T.

Your place looks so comfy!

AJ Henderson

a bit cramped and about to get more cramped though. Have a baby arriving in 5 weeks and not enough room for said baby's stuff

Damkerng T.

Congratulations in advance!

AJ Henderson

we renewed our lease literally about 2 weeks before finding out my wife was pregnant

Damkerng T.

7:06 PM

I guess you will be very busy very soon. :-)

AJ Henderson

yeah, really hoping the baby doesn't come 2 weeks early too, because I'm shooting a wedding two weeks before he's due

(I do wedding photography on the side, hence having the previously mentioned really ridiculously expensive camera)

Damkerng T.

A-ha! Now I know why your photos look so great! :-)

AJ Henderson

actually, that first photo of Cole is one of the first photos I took when I got the camera and was testing it out

Anonymous

Right now I take all my photos with my phone!

AJ Henderson

@snailboat if I don't have my 5D with me, that's what I do too :)

Anonymous

7:09 PM

AJ Henderson

@snailboat nice, not bad for a phone camera

Damkerng T.

It's not easy to take a photo of Hagu. If I try to take a picture, he will become curious about the camera and move closer. :)

Cats are virtually curious about everything.

@snailboat Hello, Moon!

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. yeah

getting photos of Cole is particularly hard

because he's black, so getting a good exposure is hard enough at the best of times

but he gets curious too

so he'll move too close and then my lens can't focus

Damkerng T.

That's what happened to me, too!

AJ Henderson

I only have maybe a half dozen photos of Cole that I really, really like and sadly I don't have any of them online at the moment

Shadow is far easier to photograph because she poses nicely and is grey, so getting a good exposure is far easier

Damkerng T.

7:15 PM

Ahh... Some cats are like that. Shadow looks really great in the photo.

AJ Henderson

@snailboat here's a mushroom to go with your snail

@DamkerngT. yeah, she naturally is very poised

I have a ton of great photos of her

Damkerng T.

I don't know much about mushrooms, but I assume that this mushroom is inedible.

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. I have no idea at all

it's from the National Botanical Garden in Kuwai Hawaii

so there's probably a pretty good chance it is not

Damkerng T.

:D It still looks nice anyway. Wow, from Hawaii!

AJ Henderson

they have stuff from all over in that garden though

it's pretty much the premiere clearing house for conservation efforts

they have like 60+ plants there that are extinct in the wild

Damkerng T.

7:19 PM

Ahh

So it's kind of a conservation garden, I think. -- That's admirable.

AJ Henderson

yeah, they study and conserve plants

really nice facility too

even though it is a functioning research garden, it is laid out to be nice to walk around

they also have a section (which they drive through but don't let the general public tour on foot) with most of the most poisoness plants

including one that has a fruit that if you took a single bite of it, you'd be dead in 30 minutes

Damkerng T.

LOL

Anonymous

@AJHenderson Wow! That's beautiful

Damkerng T.

That's a good reason to keep that section from the public. :D

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. yeah, pretty much

they also had crowd favorites like Ricin and such as well

well, the plant that ricin comes from anyway

that's another part of the garden

Damkerng T.

7:26 PM

I tried googling for it and found Kauai National Botanical Garden instead. Is it the same garden?

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. yeah

that's it

Damkerng T.

Ahh... I see. It's the whole island, I think!

AJ Henderson

nah

just a section of it on the south coast

Damkerng T.

Oh, I can see they mark the garden with a star.

AJ Henderson

but Kauai itself is the most undeveloped island in the chain (of the most populated ones anyay)

it's still a pretty sizable facility overall though

with 4 or 5 distinct gardens

and by gardens, I'm talking areas the size of an orchard

each

we only toured one garden

and we were walking around for like 5 hours

and we skipped a section of that garden

Damkerng T.

7:31 PM

I think I can spend whole day walking around the garden easily. :-)

AJ Henderson

it was the one activity from our cruise that my wife found and suggested, and it was easily one of the best

though I'm still not sure it quite competed with the diving (which was also beautiful)

it was the most relaxing though

Damkerng T.

Snorkeling could be fun. I don't know how to dive. :D

AJ Henderson

well, assuming nothing goes wrong, diving is easier than snorkling ;)

Damkerng T.

Yeah

AJ Henderson

wife and I are both certified divers

Damkerng T.

7:34 PM

Hah!

AJ Henderson

hence why we go on cruises

Damkerng T.

Ah, I see. So it's easy for both of you. :D

AJ Henderson

diving without a computer sucks because you have to keep track of too much, but we both use dive computers, so they track things for you and beep if your attention is required

still have to monitor air when using rental gear though

Damkerng T.

I didn't know we have that kind of gear for diving!

AJ Henderson

yeah, it's normally a wrist mounted unit. It tracks your depth and water temp and such and figures out how much nitrogen and oxygen is collecting in your body

and advanced ones can also monitor tank pressure

it lets you know when you need to start surfacing, if you are surfacing too fast, when to stop and wait, etc

without it, you have to figure it all out in advanced based on your max depth and then stick tightly to a plan

which sucks

a lot

Damkerng T.

7:38 PM

:-)

I think I haven't gone deeper than a few meters in Andaman.

AJ Henderson

they were totally worth it on our honeymoon though. Danielle sat out our first dive because she freaked out over a leaking regulator (a relatively routine issue, but made her freak out since it was her first ocean dive)

Damkerng T.

That's quite understandable. I guess I would react the same way. :-)

AJ Henderson

on the second dive, they hadn't gotten her weight right (you wear weights to keep you from becoming uncontrollably buoyant)

and when her tank got low, and we came up from the deepest part of the dive she shot from about 15 feet down to the surface

and couldn't resubmerge since she had lost too much tank weight

(from breathing air)

that's a potentially dangerous situation

so I turn around and can't find her

finally I look up and see her on the surface

I start trying to surface with her and my computer starts warning me I have to stop at 10 feet for 5 minutes

Damkerng T.

Oh!

AJ Henderson

so I'm sitting there worried about her while waiting to offgas enough to surface, but when I got to the surface, all I had to do was check her wrist to see that her computer indicated she was safe

Damkerng T.

7:43 PM

Phew!

AJ Henderson

because it enters a lock out mode if you end up ascending at an unsafe rate or under unsafe conditions

most uncomfortable safety stop of my life though

but really showed the benefit of the computers, both in that it told me what to do for ascending off plan and also let me check her safety

so it could have easily been a far more risky and far more stressful situation

Damkerng T.

It sounds like the device makes diving safer.

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. without scuba gear, going deeper than a few meters gets pretty uncomfortable anyway from pressure on your ears and lungs

Damkerng T.

Yes. I know that very well!

AJ Henderson

@DamkerngT. yes, much much. They run about $400 for cheaper ones, which makes it one of the more expensive pieces of dive gear, but most people still get them

Damkerng T.

7:47 PM

I think it's worth it.

AJ Henderson

I've personally been to 100 feet or so once, normally don't go much deeper than 85 feet or so

but it's perfectly comfortable when you are using scuba gear

because the air you breath is at the same pressure as the water

Damkerng T.

A-ha! That's the key to diving, I think.

AJ Henderson

that's why I can't stand snorkling

Damkerng T.

I tried to dive deeper than three meters but I think I didn't like it much.

AJ Henderson

after you know how to dive, snorkling sucks

and diving isn't actually that expensive. It's around $1500 to $2 grand for a basic setup of gear, but if you go diving with your own gear, an air tank fill is between $6 and $10

Damkerng T.

7:51 PM

Hmm... That sounds much less expensive than I expected.

AJ Henderson

and is good for anywhere from two to three hours at 30ft depth or 8 or 12 minutes at 133

Damkerng T.

Would $1500 to 2 grand covers the air tank?

AJ Henderson

a 100cu.ft steel tank (which is large) is about $350

first (the part on the tank) and second (the part in your mouth) stage regulators are about $250 to $300 for a set of both

a Bouyancy Compensator Device (or BCD) is around $300 to $350 for a cheapish one

(that's the chest harness and air bladders for controlling your bouyancy

a weight belt and weights is about $35

fins are $35 to $75, masks are around $50 to $100 and snorkels (if you bother with one) are $25 to $60

lycra skins or wetsuits range from $45 to $300 depending on thickness

Damkerng T.

I already have fins. :D

AJ Henderson

your fins may not work well for scuba

surface fins are a bit different than scuba fins

Damkerng T.

7:56 PM

Oh, do I need different kind of fins?

Ahh

AJ Henderson

scuba fins have much bigger surface area and are designed to be kicked entirely underwater

a lot of times surface fins are made less efficient, but easier to use on the surface and with smaller fins to make it easier to move around in the boat

typical scuba fins tend to stick probably a foot or more in front of the toe

now, that all said, you can easily spend $3 to $5 grand on a nicer rig of gear

but there isn't really any need to

it makes it breath a little easier, possibly makes the BCD a little more comfortable

more storage space, integrated weight systems, things like that

but it's all primarily convenience stuff

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