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5:00 PM
That's fine I just need some waffle
It's crazy stuf
in general, I'll be fine with a passing nod
 
@ACuriousMind Extremely so
Sometimes really funny though (oglaf.com/pillowtalk NSFW)
 
lol... "gut the love salmon"
 
Great pelicans :)
@ACuriousMind Lol, there's a 'sequel'
With halucinations
 
5:18 PM
Statistics are fun: The five quarterbacks drafted at No. 22 have combined for 123 NFL starts with 127 touchdown passes, 141 interceptions and 25,140 career passing yards. [Steelers quarterback Ben] Roethlisberger has started 158 regular-season games with 251 touchdown passes, 131 interceptions and 39,057 passing yards.
 
@DavidZ good to know. just flagged it. Will do in future as well
@KyleKanos how long did those 5 play for?
@ACuriousMind I finally figured out why rings matter!
Anyways, I'm very happy about that.
 
@StanShunpike And...why?
I would've probably told you that matrices are rings, and matrices are everywhere
 
Yup! I think it was just right time right place and suddenly my brain accepted it
Ring of integers
Wow that's cool
@Danu I don't think my QFT book treats Gauge Theory well enough. Which QFT book do you use?
 
5:34 PM
@StanShunpike (1) played 25 games in 5 years, (2) played 46 games in 7 years, (3) played 28 games in 3 years, (4) played 5 games in 1 year, and (5) played 54 games in 11 years
Ben's played those 158 games in 11 years
 
Ben is a stud, at least on the field.
 
@StanShunpike I've started reading the book by Banks
 
5:57 PM
As so often on academia, the best answer is actually a comment.
 
6:12 PM
I just got my 9th grade sibling to find the equations of motion from $L = \frac{1}{2} m\dot{r}^2 - k_e\frac{q_1q_2}{r}$ =) awesomeness
@ACuriousMind Alrighty, so i have no idea what this exterior algebra, tensor product, etc can be used for. Does this stuff have uses in QFT?
 
@StanShunpike The exterior algebra allows us to define forms, and forms are naturally the stuff you can integrate over submanifolds
They are even there in classical mechanics, e.g. the electromagnetic field strength tensor is a 2-form
 
The population of this chat is so funny
 
@ACuriousMind Which is why this question: academia.stackexchange.com/questions/40598/… is always relevant.
Sorry for pinging you like 3 times to make that edit work
I wonder why it didn't add the http when I copied it from the browser. It always adds it
Maybe Firefox is sleep-deprived also
@Danu Funny as in we're all weird, or funny as in we're all entertaining comedians? Because I could see it going either (or both) ways...
 
A superposition
 
@Danu We should become a comedy troupe
 
@ACuriousMind aren't forms the same thing as $k$-tensors?
 
@StanShunpike No
 
@StanShunpike No, forms are antisymmetric - they are constructed as wedges of the basic $1$-forms/tensors $\mathrm{d}x$ (In degree 1, tensors and forms/exterior elements coincide)
 
6:24 PM
@ACuriousMind I've complained before about math.SE firing off crappy HW to us
 
I wonder why many people who VTC on bad HW questions like this don't downvote them.
 
Probably like me and think you lose points
 
@Danu Some people here use the VTC as the ultimate downvote, and others feel like downvoting is just mean so they never do it
 
@tpg2114 When I cast an "ultimate downvote", I throw in a normal one for good measure most of the time.
 
As do I, but there are many who do not
 
6:29 PM
Yeah, fair enough
 
Uh oh, I just disagree with John Rennie on an answer... The phys.SE gods might strike me down for blasphemy.
 
@tpg2114 Link?
 
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A: Coriolis force on bullet vs airplane

John RennieThis is really just an addendum to David's answer. The motion of an airplane is dominated by it's interactions with the atmosphere, and any Coriolis force is utterly negligable compared to this. Even for an airplane like Concorde, which could achieve comparable speeds to a bullet, you are never...

See, it got the http that time...
 
@ACuriousMind I don't get this.
 
6:32 PM
@Danu It gives the users with the most downvotes, and you're number 12
 
@ACuriousMind Waaait... I think the settings were set to meta.physics
 
Oh, if you clicked the Mexican hat, it toggles, yes. That's annoying more often than it is convenient.
 
I mean... George is clearly the real meanie here
What a record
10/13 out of his votes are on answers, too
He must have lost 600+ rep on downvoting, haha
 
Wow
I could've sorta understood it on questions, but so many bad answers?
 
I wonder whether he just downvotes whenever he thinks there's a better answer
...or maybe he downvotes all competition?
Okay, I guess I shouldn't speculate on him being mean
(her?)
 
6:35 PM
"Georg" is pretty sure to be a man, or at least someone who wants to be seen as male
 
@ACuriousMind You're 9th meanest by my definition: data.stackexchange.com/physics/query/edit/290365
Doh
Didn't actually save my query. Hang on
I suck today
 
I, uh, see myself at 4th there
 
I used 1 and 10 for the inputs, to rule out really casual voters
 
Ah
I used 50 and 50, probably too much
 
I think I'll use 100/100
Which puts @ACuriousMind on 2, me on 10
 
6:38 PM
And QMechanic ends up surprisingly mean too
 
Oh, lol, I just calculated that ratio for myself too. 42% downvotes
38.8%
decently high, yeah
 
@tpg2114 He's silently judging us all ;)
 
Dude, seriously!
Did you see when he came in yesterday?
 
Uh...dunno, he's here most of the time?
I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary
 
yesterday, by Danu
Qmechanic, do you try to keep up some sort of a mysterious image? :)
He posted a message, instantly deleted it, then didn't answer any more messages.
 
6:40 PM
Lol weird
 
A real life ghost story (also a textbook title)
 
lolwat...is there really a textbook called "A ghost story"? :D
Or do you want to write it?
 
No, it exists
It's on gauge theory ;)
 
Unsurprisingly
 
6:42 PM
Lolol
 
G. Scharf, Quantum gauge theories: a true ghost story
It's this (IMO unappetizing) rigorous approach
 
After reading about ghosts of ghosts of ghosts, the word has lost any meaning for me
 
@ACuriousMind Exercise: "Determine the homology groups of a complex of two points." My solution: The 0-chain group $C_0(K)$ is just the linear combination of two 0-simplexes, and is thus isomorphic to two copies of the integers. The 0-cycle group is equal to the 0-chain group because all 0-simplexes are 0-cycles. The 0-boundary group is empty because points are not boundaries of any simplex in the complex. Thus $$H_0(K):=Z_0(K)/B_0(K)=(\oplus^2\mathbb{Z})/\emptyset=\oplus^2\mathbb{Z}$$
The others are trivially empty because $Z_n$ for $n>1$ is trivially empty.
 
@ACuriousMind How do you feel about having become @0celo7's homework solution manual? :)
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@Danu Hey, I did this one!
@Danu You're free to help!
Take some of the load off of Björn ;)
 
6:51 PM
Nevar... I don't want to encourage you ;)
 
@0celo7: Correct
 
@Danu I wish this were my homework. I have to do angular momentum problems for physics and parametric equations for calc.
i.e. boring as crap
Yay
 
@Danu Oh, it reminds me of a lot of stuff I only vaguely remember
 
That should be $n\ge 1$ I just noticed.
 
Yeah, understood
 
6:54 PM
Is this formally called algebraic topology?
 
Yep.
 
@ACuriousMind Is the name homology intentionally like cohomology?
Is there some connection?
 
You are computing the cellular homology of a CW complex, if I am not mistaken
@0celo7 Yes, they are dual to each other and they follow the exact same ker/im idea
And for manifolds, that "duality" is actually an isomorphy, called the Poincare duality
 
@Danu Have you determined if Frankel is actually any good?
@ACuriousMind Does it make sense to say that a group is $\{0\}$ or is better to say that a group is $\emptyset$?
 
@0celo7 Since $\emptyset = \{\}$, the latter isn't able to be a group at all.
Usually, you write the trivial group just as $0$. (or $1$ if you are writing groups multiplicatively)
 
7:05 PM
Ok
 
@0celo7 what up homie? what equations are we tryin to master today?
 
@StanShunpike Procrastinating a psych test tomorrow and a long ass lab report for physics with homology.
 
Eww. Lab reports are the worst.
 
<- has to never write a lab report again.
 
I got a 92 on the last psych test which was bad, and I've heard that this one is worse.
I need to get a good grade, my Ravenclaw prefect badge is in jeopardy.
 
7:09 PM
I'm ravenclaw too lol
 
On that note, I think I'll start reading.
@bolbteppa Are you in my school...?
 
@0celo7 Ravenclaw is a Harry Potter house!?
 
My psych teacher is a huge nerd and sorts us into Harry Potter houses.
 
Rowena Ravenclaw.
 
Lol yeah what planet do you live on
 
7:10 PM
Awesome
 
I'm the Ravenclaw prefect candidate ATM.
 
I am not only Ravenclaw I am Luna Lovegood too by some other test
 
All the house have alliterative names, which I find an AMAZING coincidence.
 
@0celo7 does your prof like Myers Briggs?
 
7:11 PM
Tryin to get that head boy?
Percy was such a dick
 
M-B? What are you?
 
@StanShunpike I think I'm in the running for that too.
I've never not gotten the highest test grade, but my projects have a habit of being a day late.
 
@0celo7 lol...seriously?
 
@ACuriousMind Yeah we have a House Cup and a point system and everything.
Also I have a paper cut on my index finger.
This is the worst thing ever.
 
@0celo7 If you think of cohomology as all coming from Stokes theorem, where the emphasis is on the differential forms you're integrating, then cohomology is just the same theory where the emphasis is on the domain of integration you integrate the form over, that's why all the chains and complexes are defined the way they are, it's all just Stokes theorem with fancy words but it lets you do cool things I think
I am days late with my project right now ahh
 
7:16 PM
I was trying to look up the rho symbol my book uses (turns out it was $\varrho$ or some font variant of that) and so I googled "curvy rho" without thinking and got a porn star...
3
 
lolol
 
Great :D
 
Now I have to type with a Band Aid on my finger.
 
@0celo7 That's...not the worst thing in the world
:P
 
@ACuriousMind It literally is.
 
user54412
7:18 PM
@Danu One of my roommates in college installed that. We lost so much time staring at it.
 
user54412
Also, we were pretty convinced that we were helping to evolve an AI designed to fool humanity into complacency before taking over.
 
@ACuriousMind I have have two solid rings stacked on top of each other, is the moment of inertia of the whole thing the sum of of the moments of the rings by themselves?
 
@0celo7 Uhhh...I think so
 
@0celo7 parallel axis rule
 
@Jiminion I don't see how that applies.
 
7:32 PM
@0celo7 If it's the same axis, then it's just the sum.
 
@Jiminion I thought that was $I=I_{CM}+Mh^2$
Is there another one?
 
If you do the calculation for one ring, and then another (thicker) one that is like the two rings, I think you will find it is 2X the first (assuming the rings are the same size).
 
@Jiminion But they're not the same size.
 
Is it about the same axis?
 
Yes.
 
7:36 PM
Then it's just the sum.
 
Actually, I think it's a ring on a disk.
Sum there too?
 
Yes. Inertia is just a summing, so it doesn't matter if you sum them all at once or in two pieces.
 
Thought so.
 
@Jiminion "coincidence"
@ChrisWhite I kinda wanna do it now. Should I?
 
7:43 PM
@Danu ??
 
7:58 PM
The NFL has been around for like 50 years and only now is it being proposed to have fixed cameras on the sidelines
 
@tpg2114 And here I'd been worried that I was really, extra, super mean. It turns out I'm only mostly mean. Mostly mean is partly nice.
 
An error? Physicist sloppiness? Tong defines $H = \partial_t$ on page 32, not $H = i\partial_t$, and then shows, with $w = x + it$, $z = e^{-iw} = e^{t-ix}$ that
$H = \dfrac{\partial }{\partial t} = \dfrac{\partial z}{\partial t}\dfrac{\partial }{\partial z} + \dfrac{\partial \bar{z}}{\partial t}\dfrac{\partial }{\partial \bar{z}} = z\partial_z + \bar{z}\partial_{\bar{z}}$ but *what* about the $i$???
Man if cft is this hard string theory properly done must be f'ing insane
 
@bolbteppa Without looking, I'm assuming that a Wick rotation happened, which would redefine the Hamiltonian.
 
Ah
yeah!
How silly
I do not understand a Wick rotation, it literally looks like magic, just setting $\tau = -it$, and okay I'm sure there's some topological reason why you can't do it sometimes, but it still looks like nothing more than that baby change of variables no?
I know 'analytic continuation' is the fancy way of saying it
 
8:16 PM
@bolbteppa It is nothing more than a change of variables as long as the functions you have are uniquely defined as complex function by their values on the real (or imaginary) axis. It can hypothetically fail in cases where the functions cannot be continued to the
 
So if you just change like $x$ to $z$ and see something messes up with your eyes you know you can't do it?
 
@ACuriousMind Is Björn kill?
@ACuriousMind Lol @ this exercise: Let $K$ be a complex whose polyhedron is a tetrahedron. Calculate the homology groups.
 
@bolbteppa Mh, it can happen that the analytic continuations exist, but are not really unique because defining stuff only on the axis does not force two continuations to be equal, since the axis is not open in the plane. If you can show that the function is uniquely extendable to an open subset of the plane, then all continuations will be unique
So, there are subtle issue, but mostly, you can indeed just replace $x$ by $z$
@0celo7 ?
 
@ACuriousMind continued to the
You died while writing.
 
Ah
Oops
 
8:22 PM
Nvm reddit/4chan joke
 
Didn't even notice that :D
@0celo7 What is "the polyhedron of a complex"?
And are you talking about simplicial or CW complexes?
 
Cool
 
Simplical.
The polyhedron is defined as the union of all simplexes.
 
So, that weird wording could also be stated as: Calculate the homology of a tetrahedron?
 
This book does not cover CW complexes for whatever reason.
 
8:25 PM
@0celo7 the castle aargh!
 
Oh wow, that's awesome about being open in the plane
 
@ACuriousMind I guess.
In any case, that would be an unenlightening multi-page affair.
 
@bolbteppa It's the identity theorem from complex analysis
 
@bolbteppa Doesn't defining a function on any open set automatically define it on the plane?
 
That's probably the most useful thing topology has to offer haha!
 
8:26 PM
Oh, there we go, that's the name of the theorem.
 
Wow
 
Dude, complex analysis is way too nice
There's all kinds of results like this
 
Complex analysis is where everything you wished in real analysis is true :)
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(also I need to read a rigorous book on that stuff---I don't even know the names of the theorems that I do know now :( )
 
That is fucking amazing
 
8:28 PM
@bolbteppa If you liked this, you'll probably love complex analysis as a whole. All kinds of situations where "trivial" information turns out to give you everything
 
I have never seen the use of open/closed/neither so vividly in physics before I don't think
 
On a related note: Does anyone have a good recommendation where I should go to study complex analysis (book-wise)? I'm not too psyched to try "big Rudin"
 
@Danu thanks I know tons of complex, the two best books are Goursat & Needham, I just never seen this topological argument as explaining the issues in going from R to C
 
I have Needham's "Visual Complex Analysis" but suspect it's better as supplementary material rather than main source of learning
@bolbteppa Oh, okay. This is like... one of the very few things I did learn about complex analysis so I figured it was very basic.
 
@Danu Goursat is the rigorous version of Needham, he explains all the cool pictures, it's the only book Ive ever found that is better than Needham tbh
It's on archive.org for free
I mean he explains the theory and you get what Tristan's pictures are about lol
 
8:31 PM
@bolbteppa Link?
 
Hmm, really old(school)
Thanks
 
Yeah but complex hasn't changed much unless you want to go onto manifolds
 
@bolbteppa I would indeed like to do that
...but it's probably good to take it slow anyways
 
@Danu manifold C.A. is a completely different bag to this kind of C.A.
 
8:38 PM
Let's put it this way: I'm not interested in CA for its own sake
But I recognize the importance of having a solid basis
 
@Danu maybe something less theoretical like Zill amazon.com/… then archive.org/details/…
 
@bolbteppa Thanks
 

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