@IsaacMoses It now includes a bit.ly link at the bottom (I don't know if it did originally) to

bit.ly/jdigital4

@HodofHod yay! Since that's a link to the internet tag and it had no wiki I gave it a quick one-liner (summary). I encourage anyone who feels inclined to improve on that. (I just didn't want visitors to see "this tag has no wiki" on following that link.)

@MonicaCellio I made a minor change to it.

(See what you think)

@HodofHod approved. Some of our tags use that formulation and some don't so I'm not sure which is considered better.

A fuller wiki might explain why this would even be an issue, but it doesn't have to be now. :-)

Right. I thought if people unfamiliar were landing on a tag page, it might be better to be more explicit.

@HodofHod good point.

@MonicaCellio Anyway! How was your Shabbos?

@HodofHod relaxing (yay). Unseasonably warm (surprising). May have planted seeds for a new torah reader for our minyan (lay people take it in turns). And yours?

(I suppose I should say that I did plant seeds; what's unknown is whether they'll sprout. :-) )

@MonicaCellio Very nice :D Spent Shabbos with the family at the local Chabad House. Great atmosphere and conversation. Stayed up until 1:30 talking and singing. Bonus: Didn't have to go outside in the snow at all ;D

@HodofHod nice! I love those free-form, long conversations where nobody has to care how late it's getting. I remember one where we stopped, blinked, and said "it's 3AM? really?" -- good stuff!

You say "yay" as if Shabbos isn't usually relaxing? (Not meaning to pry at all)

Singing's great too!

@MonicaCellio Yep. Clock on the wall actually was stopped at 3:00 so we just kept going!

@HodofHod oh, not what I meant to convey. It's usually relaxing, but I never want to take it for granted.

@MonicaCellio B"H, good to hear :D

@HodofHod clocks are over-rated. :-)

And a very admirable sentiment. I should work on that.

@MonicaCellio Heh!

@MoshePeston Shavua Tov/Gut voch!

@HodofHod I have one in my living room that's been stopped for years. It's actually broken, but pretty so I keep it on the mantle as art. Occasionally a guest notices the problem.

@HodofHod Gut Voch

Lol. I'm curious as to the story about your gardening? Do you mean you're hoping to add a new person to the rotation? What did you do/say? (Now I am prying ;) )

@MoshePeston How was your shabbos? :)

@HodofHod nothing formal or regular, but any time I hear somebody comment about the idea of doing it I follow up. In this case, somebody said "I should learn to do that someday" and I said "let me help you with that". :-) (It turns out that a lot of people learned a BM portion by rote and never actually learned the trope system. Also, in our minyan it's ok to read and not chant and that can be a stepping-stone.)

Oh, and not prying. :-)

@MonicaCellio I have to say, I think I'd have found it harder to do my BM without the system. Then again, I suppose it makes a difference if one is doing the whole thing or just maftir.

@HodofHod yeah, if you're doing the whole thing and not learning the system, that sounds like a lot of unnecessary trouble -- just learn the system; it's easier. Most people I know only did maftir or maybe that plus one more aliyah. I don't know if that's a generational thing, a regional thing, or something else.

I'd suspect a little of everything (+ communal, traditional, familial). I haven't really seen a hard and fast rule anywhere

It's probably a mix of things, yes.

@MoshePeston shavua tov!

@MonicaCellio Shavua Tov

@HodofHod Nope; didn't originally. Cool. Thanks for the welcome update. Shavua' tov!

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