/me grumbles as he searches the PGFplots manual for how the heck to move the legend to top left

Now it is telling me that the style in the manual is wrong

effffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

@Canageek That's always fun

@egreg Could you help us here: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/338701/…? it's a question about xcite with biblatex. Thank you, ciao!

@CarLaTeX I'll have a look

@egreg Thank you!

@PauloCereda have faith in the left hand side of that cycle

@DavidCarlisle :)

@QPaysTaxes it could be worse, you could be trying to figure out Word.

@DavidCarlisle “Could be worse.” “How?” “Could be raining.”

@egreg ooh Young Frankenstein!

@PauloCereda One of my favorite quotes.

@egreg I like the face of Gene Wilder when the rain begins. :)

The reason it is being held:

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@JosephWright ^^ you guys don't like me. :)

@PauloCereda The team list?

@JosephWright Yes. :)

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^^ this is so weird

@egreg: I received a letter from Italy about a referendum.

@PauloCereda Did you? Does it tell to vote “yeah” or “nay”?

@egreg There's a "si" and a "no". :)

@PauloCereda So you didn't receive a letter from our prime minister telling you how you should vote?

@egreg No. :( I had to Google about the subject.

@PauloCereda You got mail

@PauloCereda you only just realised this?

@egreg you too. :)

@DavidCarlisle oh

@PauloCereda (don't blame me: it's Rainer's filter:-)

@DavidCarlisle Thought so. :)

@DavidCarlisle Enjoying the XeTeX list ;-)

@JosephWright Is there anything in siunitx to suppress the minus sign here:

\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{siunitx}

\begin{document}
\num[round-mode=places,round-integer-to-decimal,round-precision=2]{-0.0003}
\end{document}

@UlrikeFischer Guess I need to check the code ordering there

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@JosephWright: ^^

@PauloCereda Noted: still weighing up what I'll do

@UlrikeFischer Currently the only check on having a value is in the input phase: I'll need to think about this

@JosephWright I will report back in a couple of days. :)

The Germans here will have to forgive me, but how come German is so logical and nonsensical all at the same time?? German has things that make total sense like shoes and gloves, which are Schuh and Handschuh (very logical, the glove is the hand shoe) but then it has (appearantly) arbitrary gender of things. Like computer and smartphone (both electronic devices and both come from English), Der Computer (masculine) and Das Handy (neutral)...

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Mine Handy is full abgespaced

I totally forgot a semicolon: "Giving up on this path" (since TikZ is German...)

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Get rid of your Portuguese-centric view of language. :)

@JosephWright What a bizzare mixture of English and German! ahahaha

@DavidCarlisle I see Javier has read the latest LuaTeX manual :)

@PauloCereda I do not like Portuguese! Honestly, English is most definetly the simplest language there is... It should be made mandatory that everyone learns it! ;P

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Get out of my lawn. :)

Maybe that's just the frustrated Student talking...

=(

@GuilhermeZ.Santos you really try to make any sense of non-natural genders?

@yo' that what's currently bugging me. But if you like we can start talking about plurals, that's also completely nonsensical... :P

@GuilhermeZ.Santos if you want to get a better view of German, ask how it's in Czech, and German will suddenly look soooo logical to you :D

@yo' yeahh, ok... you win, no argument here... ahahahah

we've got a neutrum word that means "a girl", another one that means "a duke". The word "marker" has been adopted to Czech as "fix" (m.) or "fixa" (f.). Both have "fixy" as plural, so when someone says "fixy", you don't know if they mean the masculine or the feminine.

@PauloCereda You don't need to dislike Portuguese to agree with me. English is much simpler than Portuguese, than any latin language so to speak... :P

@GuilhermeZ.Santos Sorry, I don't agree. Simplicity of language is subjective.

@PauloCereda Escolha da língua é complicado, ao contrário da escolha do editor.

@DavidCarlisle :)

@PauloCereda I usually have a more concrete approach towards the simplicity of language which would be the many rules and exceptions it has, and Portuguese has too much of those... =/ But I suppose you're right, there are several other aspects that can be taken into consideration! :D

@GuilhermeZ.Santos just count the number of twidly marks you have to put over letters

@DavidCarlisle that's so naïve :)

@GuilhermeZ.Santos ok, try to write pronunciation rules for English and you conclude it's of the most difficult languages :-)

@yo' You can write some pronunciations rules for English and it will be a booklet, accompanied by a 1000 page book for exceptions.

@egreg :-)

@yo' but if you follow the rule of thumb which is "It sounds nice's right" you are most likely to get the sentences right when you are in doubt. There are some gramatically correct sentences that sounds horrible and wrong, but are in fact right. =/

^^ That's my personal opinion though...

@GuilhermeZ.Santos NOT AT ALL!!!

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I had my TCS hat on when I said about subjectivity. :) Language is in itself constrained by rules. Exceptions actually do not exist, it's all there. The problem relies on us who wants simple, easy to apply rules. :) In general, we try to come up with more sensible models, but in general they do not cover every aspect, not even the purely syntactical ones. And we like to say we tackled these beasts! As Langer would put, it's the good ol' illusion of control. :)

@yo' /drops monocle

Disaster of nightmarish proportions and whatnot, in my best British accent. :)

@DavidCarlisle: can I be an Englishman?

@GuilhermeZ.Santos -- every language has its own joys and horrors. and they're all much easier to learn when you're only three years old. (reading usually comes a little later, of course.) english has zillions of exceptions, never mind the fact that the youth of today insists on changing the meanings of some words that old fogies like me learned with a very specific meaning. (what is "biweekly"?) fie!

@egreg -- oh, not only pronunciations! (and you're absolutely correct.)

@PauloCereda Hmm, truly interesting thoughts... Maybe what lies behind my thought of English being simpler is actually the fact that my brain was able to make more logical sense of English than Portuguese itself?

@barbarabeeton biweekly is not that commonly used for twice a week. But biannual meeting is much worse!!!

@yo' Really thought that was for everyone. Most people I discussed this with (all brazilians so no random sample there) agreed with me on that.

@barbarabeeton oh don't get me started on children, the little pricks learn languages faster than the speed of light. There are some kids here, in my neighborhood, they started learning German nearly the same time as I did and they're far better at it...

@yo' -- i believe in semiannual and biennial. i don't know when biannual sprung up, but i'm pretty sure i'm older than it is. (my high school required several years of latin study, but it wasn't still spoken daily, except in catholic church rituals. we'll have to defer to @egreg for that information.)

@barbarabeeton biennial is of course the proper word!

@GuilhermeZ.Santos I really don't know what to say. :) Maybe it's because some rules look easier to apply than others...

@barbarabeeton Biennium and biennalis: Latin had vowel alternance

@barbarabeeton books.google.com/ngrams/…

@GuilhermeZ.Santos -- my rule of thumb is, if i can find something in a dictionary, can read a menu (and know what is meant, at least in general), and follow a map, then i'll be okay. so far, it's gotten me through most of western/northern europe, parts of russia, and japan. not so good at reading arabic yet.

If it is in the internet, it must be true!

Sorry, better one: books.google.com/ngrams/…

@UlrikeFischer Would a dirty hack work: using negative numbers in brackets and then setting the opening and closing bracket to empty? (Sorry, don't have time to try it myself right now)

@egreg -- hmm. i would have said "vowel alternation". (where's @AlanMunn?)

btw, TB arrived today!!!

@yo' ooh cool!

Mine hasn't.

@PauloCereda nice reading about metro fonts! You've got something to look forward to!

@yo' ooh! <3

@yo' -- thanks. i'll let our data-keeper know. (37:3 is still at printer; i sent the blues back on nov. 9. there was a problem -- fonts in one article went crazy ... not all pdf files are equally comprehensible to all allegedly conformant software -- but the source of the problem was found, and i assume it will be on its way in a few days.)

@PauloCereda -- you know, of course, that (as a member) you can get a sneak peek on line.

@barbarabeeton it may have arrived in the past 2 weeks, actually, I wasn't at my old institution...

@yo' -- well, please do make sure the tug office has got your correct current address. next issue (38:1) won't go out until sometime in the spring.

@barbarabeeton I'm sure you're right

@egreg Yes, she is. :)

@barbarabeeton Downloaded it as we speak. :)

@egreg Oh, and Descartes, right?

@AlanMunn ooh we can summon Alan! Nice!

@egreg -- you're entirely too trusting! i'm as good at making up neologisms as the next guy. only, the ones i make up are generally more nonsensical.

Does it work for @TaylorSwift?

Oh.

@AlanMunn Yes!

@PauloCereda Be careful, when you do that Kanye West sometimes appears.

@barbarabeeton I'll update the address with the next registration in January.

@AlanMunn LOL

@AlanMunn I went to visit his tomb in Paris

@AlanMunn Although he's probably not there: the church had some “problems” during the revolution.

@egreg Unless he's thinking. :)

When I die, my gravestone text will be carved with bad kerning, so people will be annoyed.

@PauloCereda In Comic Sans

@PauloCereda the level of annoyance will be a good measure of the intensity of your friendship with them <3

@yo' awww <3

@egreg ooooh

ooh latexbug

@DavidCarlisle, @JosephWright ^^

@PauloCereda simple package, it just consists of \typeout{go away, it's not our fault}\stop

@DavidCarlisle yep. :)

@DavidCarlisle Is there a luatex version \typeout{go away, it's not our fault you're using luatex}?

@PauloCereda the full production version will give out your phone number to anyone reporting a bug

@DavidCarlisle oh no!

@DavidCarlisle The outsourcing economy.

@JasperLoy never tried miktex:-)

@JasperLoy I have a windows machine, but I always use texlive/cygwin

MikTeX: lets rearrange some packages, the world blows up

TeXLive: Let's rearrange some package ... what no big deal

Would it be worth making a small package to print two PDF files on top of each other? I've just been doing that to check which pages changed in a project where I did some last minute changes. Quite useful even if the code is just a few lines. (tikz + graphicx)

@JosephWright It is confirmed we are going for Dalton on this paper. Don't think we can get it into IC, due to impure compounds. Half expecting to get sent to CrystEngComm, but might as well try Dalton.

Unreachable by mail.

(Google is down in our region.)

@yo' Google down? Does that mean the zombies are really walking right now?

:-)

@Johannes_B Gmail goes down if you use the webmail instead of IMAP/POP

@Johannes_B :)

I am not a guy celebrating a birthday. 9 people said happy birthday today. That is quite a lot.

The worst thing is that I lost access to my calendar :-(

we're back. Ufffff

@Johannes_B -- would you settle for "happy unbirthday"?

@barbarabeeton oh I love that!!! :D

@yo' -- wish i could claim it as original, but it's not, although i've forgotten where it came from. (happy unbirthday to you too!)

@barbarabeeton I am here. So i was born. unbirthday? :-)

@Johannes_B -- "birthday" is usually associated with only one day a year, the day that's marked on your birth certificate. so that leaves a lot of "unbirthday" days to be recognized. enjoy them!

@barbarabeeton Well, the unbirthday ones ... i like 'em

@barbarabeeton Alice (well the Mad Hatter)

@DavidCarlisle -- thanks -- that sounds quite right. (must've been an ancestor.)

@DavidCarlisle @JosephWright or others: Is there any support for "convert glyphs to curves" in LuaTeX / XeTeX, please?

@yo' not as far as know

@yo' more of a job for fontforge

@yo' or (depending on the font fomat) pstricks?

@DavidCarlisle I dunno. I just know that all places like business card printers, stampmakers etc. require "convert text to curves", and there is no standard way how to do this.

@yo' oh that ghostscript can probably do that on the resulting pdf

@DavidCarlisle ^^ doesn't work..

@yo' try pdfwrite?

@DavidCarlisle epswrite might work :-)

@yo' or get 9.15 and use the newer option mentioned in the other answers

the epswrite method looks good... pdftotext says...