@cfr Bringing the MWE to a high art... tex.stackexchange.com/q/235152/2693

@AlanMunn Impressive, isn't it, what people manage to produce when you ask them nicely?

@cfr :)

Any beekeepers around?

New proposal just launched: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/85527/…

@DavidCarlisle Much the same here: lots of people use the Unicode data, and the versions are I think pretty well curated

@egreg No, the whole purpose of giving the new code a new name was so that users could still compile their old documents, so \usepackage{datetime} will still work. I'm just not maintaining it any more.

Same with glossary -> glossaries and csvtools -> datatool. You can still use the old packages if you really want to.

@NicolaTalbot Well, get in touch with Karl Berry, because the datetime package has been removed from TeX Live: tug.org/svn/…

@egreg Eek

@DavidCarlisle, @FrankMittelbach Running build ctan now for a (final?) DropBox snapshot

@JosephWright Thanks!

@egreg thanks for the great answer. Now I guess I need to start looking into LaTeX3.

@ArnoMittelbach :)

@ArnoMittelbach Good plan

@JosephWright thanks for fixing the inline code within the question.

@ArnoMittelbach l3regex is amazing (if bonkers)

@ArnoMittelbach No problem: one of the tasks of the high rep member :-)

@ArnoMittelbach You should know that l3regex is one of my favorite play tools. ;-)

@JosephWright so far I've been put off by the syntax (it does look scary). But yes, it seems amazing what you can do with it.

@egreg great. Then I'll know who to ask ;-)

@ArnoMittelbach expl3 in general or l3regex specifically?

@egreg Indeed

@egreg Despite the performance hit it's often a lot easier to use than the various string packages

don't like David's implementation of \Maintainedby ... see separate email coming up

@ArnoMittelbach When everything else fails, there's always @DavidCarlisle and the power of picture mode. :)

@JosephWright I guess expl3. It simply looks like a completely different world. Then again, I never had a look at the manual.

@PauloCereda Good! Hit rep cap, so I can better concentrate on my LaTeX lecture this afternoon. :)

@egreg yay! :) How many students?

@egreg don't worry. I am good for the moment :-)

@ArnoMittelbach interface3.pdf

@PauloCereda A hundred seat room, full.

@egreg ooh!

@FrankMittelbach Thanks... is there any say 30 page primer around?

@ArnoMittelbach @egreg has an upcoming book on L3. :)

@egreg: does the book have mention to ducks? :)

@egreg It's been moved to the obsolete tree and I think that all obsolete packages are dropped from TL. That doesn't mean that people's local copies of datetime.sty will be suddenly removed. Are any of the packages in ctan.org/tex-archive/obsolete in TL?

@ArnoMittelbach yes tex.stackexchange.com/a/46285/10109

@FrankMittelbach :-)

@ArnoMittelbach the 29 page primer is expl3 ... and you find other stuff like tex.stackexchange.com/a/46427/10109 on this site interface3 is the reference manual

@NicolaTalbot but real people don't have local copies presumably, they will have the tl2014 copies so will notice if they update to tl2015

@FrankMittelbach Thanks again. I'll have a look.

dropbox says its updated

@ArnoMittelbach quite a formal communication between family members :-)

@FrankMittelbach is' was dran. :)

@NicolaTalbot Yes, it means that, unfortunately.

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@DavidCarlisle @NicolaTalbot Here's what I get from tlmgr

[enrico] provaccia > tlmgr --dry-run update --all
tlmgr: package repository ctan.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/CTAN/systems/texlive/tlnet
update: dry run, no changes will be made
You don't have permission to change the installation in any way,
specifically, the directory /usr/local/texlive/2014/tlpkg/ is not writable.
Please run this program as administrator, or contact your local admin.
Continuing due to --dry-run
tlmgr: saving backups to /usr/local/texlive/2014/tlpkg/backups
[ 1/29] auto-remove: datetime ... done

As you see, ^^^^^, datetime is removed.

@egreg :-(

@egreg Oh no!

@NicolaTalbot @JosephWright The old package should not have been moved to obsolete

@egreg It seems that the word means two different things that got confused here :(

Guys, innocent question: how do you like the idea of arara offering additional support for a scripting language to be called from rules?

@DavidCarlisle New 'maintained' notice is certainly hard to miss!

@PauloCereda I'm afraid of these things, to be honest. How do you stop someone from injecting rm with options for instance -rf ~/.?*

@yo' You simply can't. No one can. :) The only feasible solution is, "run your tool inside a sandbox on a read-only filesystem". :)

@PauloCereda Well, as long as you don't allow running scripts from who-knows-where, it's fine.

@yo' :)

I start having a feeling that arara got too large to be considered safe without someone doing a proper safety audit... :-/

@JosephWright @FrankMittelbach likes verbose messages generally:-)

@DavidCarlisle Yes

Any suggestions for polite wording of a comment on not posting to here and a mailing list simultaneously?

@AlanMunn Welcome to TeX.sx, make yourself at home! It's been brought to our attention that you've posted the very same question on a mailing list. Don't take this the wrong way, but we don't encourage our users to do that because instead of increasing your chances on getting your question answered, people might see it as lack of commitment and exploitation of the good will of our users.

@yo' To be completely honest with you, it was never safe. Not because of some evil plan on my part, but freedom comes at a high cost. :)

@PauloCereda Thanks. I'm not sure about the 'lack of commitment' part; to me the problem is just duplication of other people's time.

@AlanMunn Indeed, I can't think of a better of saying it. :)

@JosephWright: lists.gnu.org/archive/html/nano-devel/2015-03/msg00068.html :)

@PauloCereda Cool

@DavidCarlisle well water it down if you like but I think it would be helpful if this is a "clear" message

@PauloCereda How did you spot that?

@JosephWright I follow a lot of feeds. :)

@FrankMittelbach just experimenting with tabular rather than parbox...

If anybody with the ability to print one or two pages of text, could you please take a look at latex-community.org/forum/…

@DavidCarlisle have fun then

@Johannes_B looks normal to me

when printed via Evince on Linux

@daleif So it might be his printer.

@Johannes_B it would at least be a good idea to know (1) Which Program did he use to print, (2) was that program set to print in eco mode?

@daleif I'll ask. Thanks for having a look at this :-)

@Johannes_B no problem

BTW: also tell him about \cos and perhaps \cdot

@DavidCarlisle I see Chris is still not happy :-(

@JosephWright replied...

@DavidCarlisle So did I in much the same way :-)

@DavidCarlisle Goodness only knows what will happen when I say 'right, now for LuaTeX's callbacks, etc.' :-)

@JosephWright it would be good if we could do that without pulling in half of ctan (even if the argument for doing what formats currently do suggests otherwise)

@DavidCarlisle I think this comes out nicely

@FrankMittelbach yes just looking at doing graphics but work intervened... this evening...

@PauloCereda Yes, but still, I can be quite sure what simple directive does. With complicated scripts, it gets more complicated.

@yo' I see.

At least, with rules as they are now, we can go with --dry-run and see what happens. But with scripts, little we can do.

@PauloCereda that's one of the points. And there's little I can do. With rules, I can at least see what executables will be run.

@yo' :)

@PauloCereda could you allow such things or not based on kpsexpand \$shell_escape (which returns paronoid for me)

@DavidCarlisle hmmm that sounds quite interesting!

A delivery service for muffins and coffee would be great right now.

@DavidCarlisle Yes: I think we can

@DavidCarlisle What's needed is some leadership from the team and then agreement from the small number of people who provide 'base layer' LuaLaTeX packages

@DavidCarlisle My feeling is that everyone else will be very happy for us to provide a single interface

@DavidCarlisle Chris still not happy

@JosephWright yes agreed, I was a bit disappointed when I was doing my inputenc trials that as i was aiming for core functionality I skipped luatex base and accessed the callbacks directly, but then fontspec slapped me on the wrist for doing just that, but when I looked how much that would pull in, it seemed rather too much for a base package, but on the other hand it looked like it could be streamlined a lot to get a core for the format...

In october 2011 the number of unanswered question was 148. Now, it is a little bit higher :-p

@Johannes_B 6.5%

@yo' I calculated 6.2% :-) Still a quite good average.

tex.stackexchange.com/unanswered DIVIDED BY tex.stackexchange.com/questions is 5433/83637=0.064959...

@DavidCarlisle Yes

@JosephWright but it might take more than two \def with some glue spec :(

@JosephWright From the unanswered list, mark as dupe? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/22152/…

@yo' I used tex.stackexchange.com/…, so the not upvoted are not accounted for.

@JosephWright just looking at the svn log for tug.org/svn/texlive/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/tex/generic/… looks like khaled added some post unicode 7 fixes? Do you have an easy way to compare settings? (not looked at the file yet, i was just going to look at the log to see when the xetex spacing was added, but saw that first)

@DavidCarlisle Currently not as I've used a different way of packing the data: will have to check by hand

@DavidCarlisle Indeed

@Johannes_B Merged

@DavidCarlisle I'm not sure what he wants, really

@JosephWright Yes, merged, but it still counts as unanswered. Seems strange to me.

@Johannes_B Shouldn't do: merging can only happen to dupes

@JosephWright Maybe not unasnwered, but in this list. tex.stackexchange.com/… Sorry for the noise :-)

@DavidCarlisle Sorry. I forget about what I had promised.

@mikeonly so have I:-)

@DavidCarlisle tex.stackexchange.com/questions/115280/… I think this answers my question properly, doesn't it?

@DavidCarlisle Namely, how to create table with different cell types throughout rows.

@AlanMunn A short story, regarding the duplication of work: Gimme Pizza! You could simply link that. :-)

@StefanKottwitz Cute! I especially like Pizza\strut. I wonder if the story is too subtle for some...

@AlanMunn Ate once in Pizza Hut. Never more. :)

@AlanMunn I'm open to any suggestion for improvement! I'm not so good in English.

@StefanKottwitz No, the English is fine (I'd change only a couple of things); what I meant was simply that some people might not actually make the Pizza->Free Advice connection.

@AlanMunn You mean, without clicking and reading it, or even after reading?

I like short titles though :-)

@StefanKottwitz Some quick corrections though while I'm at it: 'rised' -> 'arose'. No comma after 'idea'; 'charge several pizza services with delivery' -> order from several pizza services'. 'today we got' -> 'today we have' ; 'once a user needs help' -> 'if a user needs help'.

@StefanKottwitz I think even after reading. Not that I think you should change it, I like the idea. But people can be really slow... :)

@AlanMunn We say in Czech: "Hint the clever, kick the stupid" :)

@yo' I like that!

@AlanMunn Yeah, so do I :)

Yay! I'm not a robot! Or so says StackExchange. :)

@egreg that's the problem with you: you post too much :D

@yo' Just three answers today.

@egreg You mean you have been accused of being one and are now exonerated?

@DavidCarlisle I spot something there I'd missed: will need to address it

@AlanMunn I got the dialog window asking me to certify I'm not a robot. Well, a good robot is surely able to click on the checkbox. ;-)

@egreg Ah ok. I thought perhaps the site decided that you couldn't amass so much reputation without being a robot.

@egreg beep! I mean, yay! :)

@egreg: How was the lecture? :)

@PauloCereda I introduced the mystery of commands with optional arguments.

Going off line: dinner with friends!

@egreg Yay, congrats! :)

@egreg Have fun!

@JosephWright that's a nice one, yeah :)

What a weirdo...

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/85527/bees-and-beekeeping/…

@Werner !

For those who aren't privvy to Area51:

@Werner WAT

@Werner: What's the main theme?

@PauloCereda Bees and beekeeping.

@Werner Oh my!

"Proposed Q&A site for amateur and professional beekeepers, bees researchers and enthusiasts, soap and candle makers, anyone who interacts with bees or bee products."

Whoops, that should have been "... bee researchers..."

@PauloCereda Yes, I've seen that bzzzzzz... t-pop!

@Werner QUAAAACK!

:)

@PauloCereda :)

ok, so I need to survive tomorrow, and then it'll be all fine.

Suggestions for that one?

@yo' I am sure you will ;-) Good luck.

@DavidCarlisle, @FrankMittelbach Re-running ctan script for base to reflect Unicode data updates this evening

@JosephWright don't

:-)

@JosephWright latex-community.org/forum/…

@FrankMittelbach Well it picked up a serious error on my part, so ...

@Johannes_B How did you find it? :)

@JosephWright I'm just about to added \MaintainedBy... etc all over the place in base so you should better wait for that

@FrankMittelbach OK

will take less than an hour I think

@PauloCereda I just voted to close the question and didn't want the joke to vanish. :-)

don't want to work past midnight

@Johannes_B awww <3

@Johannes_B thanks

@JosephWright Nearly done .. uploading soon