Grrr... I have a really weird bug which causes \sffamily in combination with \plstyle not to work... sometimes... in some circumstances. Think I'm just going to have to go with a serif number to mismatch a sans serif title. (I guess that's better than using a hanging figure.) But it should work !!

@cfr Oh no! Sadly, hwyadens are terrible with font families. :(

@PauloCereda And Welsh plurals, it seems :-). It has been driving me nuts. I just can't understand how it can not work. Essentially, if I say \plstyle I end up with serif. Only only in very special circumstances, which I can't pin down to create an example. It is obviously my fault as even the style switching commands are mine, not to mention the font package and the class.

But it has something to do with TikZ, too. At least, I can't reproduce it without using TikZ.

/me waddles into chat

@phell beware the traps!

@yo' uh oh! too late!

@phell Have you got cookies to share?

@egreg I have lemon cookies and gingerbread cookies available.

🍪 🍪 🍪

@DavidCarlisle Bug in shellesc. Line 76 should be \protected\def\DelayedShellEscape{\relax\write18 } and not \protected\def\ShellEscape{\relax\write18 }

@UlrikeFischer ah. thanks.

@UlrikeFischer Hidden feature!

@egreg not hidden well enough, apparently.

does anyone know C here?

@JesterTran I stopped at B, sorry. ;-)

oh man

@egreg hahahahahahahahaha, no prob

$ svn commit -m "define DelayedShellEscape"
Sending        changes.txt
Sending        shellesc.dtx
Transmitting file data ..done
Committing transaction...
Committed revision 1168.

@UlrikeFischer thanks ^^

I have a svg image in GIMP. Would you export it as pdf or eps if you wanted to include it in pdfLaTeX?

@phell pdf (pdflatex can't include eps)

@David Hmm, I have a \epsfig{file=mdh_logo, width=4cm}\[5mm] in my cover page and I use pdfLaTeX.

@phell \epsfig is nowadays just a wrapper around \includegraphics. There is some 'magic' set up to convert EPS to PDF files for pdfTeX but if you can save directly as PDF that is normally better.

@phell epsfig :( (unless you are trying to emulate a 1980's document, why???) \epsfig is just a wrapper for \includegraphics[width=4cm]{mdh_logo} and if you give it an eps the graphics package has to use a shell escape to call out to an external convertor (epstopdf) which uses ghostscript to make a pdf that pdftex then includes.

pdf it is!

@JosephWright "nowadays" == "since 1994" (@phell <--- :-)

hee hee hee

I remember reading something about avoiding shell escapes to speed up compilation time.

@UlrikeFischer it doesn't need a --shell-escape flag but it does escape to the shell as tepstopdf is allowed in the restricted shell

@DavidCarlisle nowadays (TL15?) epstopdf don't need shell-escape (and you actually neither need to load the epstopdf package).

@UlrikeFischer I guess @DavidCarlisle means that a second process is spawned: the 'magic' approach avoids needing explicit security permission but the work is still being done by GhostScript not pdfTeX

Ooh! Inkscape can export the svg to TeX.

@phell comes to the same thing in the end (that is, something somewhere has to make the svg into a pdf)

It feels a bit strange going from a 5kB svg to 194kB pdf (600dpi).

I found this site today: voyant-tools.org

@phell dpi? have you rendered it to a bitmap?

@David: I try to change all colours to black but I guess it would be better to export it as TeX and then change it to black.

@David You are right. I didn't understand I wasn't saving it as vector graphics.

@JesterTran Fire at will. :)

So Karlo is now at over 50 suggested edits in the last hour ...

@TorbjørnT. WOW

@PauloCereda Well, around fifty at least. Mainly fixing typos and the like, I think. I suggested he slow down a bit, which he seems to have done, if not, he might have reached 200 points from suggested edits alone today. (He got to 104.)

@TorbjørnT. Indeed.

I never understood what the points are used for.

@phell Why! To have 148% of @DavidCarlisle’s rep!

@egreg Oh, it is kind of used as a safety measure to not give too much rights to a new user from the beginning.

@phell neither, because SVG is possibly vector, and GIMP is a raster manipulator.

yo': I think the svg is in vector format since it is so small.

@phell then use svg2pdf or how's the tool called

@egreg or 75% if you only count points that you deserve

@yo' Is svg2pdf a program distributed as source code which I compile and then it works as a plugin to Inkscape?

@phell why not just save as pdf from inkscape?

The best solution so far is open the svg in Inkscape, Filter- Colour - Grayscale and set RGB to -10. Then save as raster-based pdf. Drawback is not keeping vector-based image format and thus also getting bigger file size.

@phell if I don't check the rasterise filter box I get scalable pdf in the cases I tried, perhaps you are making more use of filters that convert better if raterised to a fixed dpi?

@DavidCarlisle Woy

@barbarabeeton LaTeX does not offer hyphenation points for isotropic nor anisotropic, while Merriam-Webster suggests an-iso-trop-ic.

@DavidCarlisle Would I be a trusted user (20K) weren't for % at end of lines?

@egreg I don't trust you anyway

@DavidCarlisle It's a shame other people on the site do.

@egreg: are you near your Ubuntu release?

@yo' -- just checked the exceptions list, and those were added in 2001, along with an-iso-trop-i-cal-ly. thanks for the report anyway, and don't let this discourage you from future suggestions.

@barbara: Hi, long time no see!

@egreg ducks and lemmings will follow anyone

@DavidCarlisle ooh lemmings!

@David I got around the problem by using a site called wordle instead. There I can set the colours to B&W and print to pdf. :)

@PauloCereda -- i spent last week hiding in salt marshes and a maritime forest. (no lemmings, but some quite fine specimens of ducks and wading birds.)

@barbarabeeton yay! Speaking of ducks, expect a communication from me later on. :)

If you have an Ubuntu machine, could you run this to me?

grep -q -c "Ubuntu" /etc/os-release && echo "yep" || echo "nope"

Remember to not copy and paste commands from web pages. At least check what you actually pasted.

@phell Do you use Linux?

@barbarabeeton strange, but thanks

@Paulo Cereda I have tried some distributions. Slackware made me cry. Ubuntu felt friendly but my love is xfce version of Linux Mint.

@phell Cool. :) So I suspect you know what my command does. :)

[tohecz@toheshiba ~]$ pdflatex
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.14159265-2.6-1.40.16 (TeX Live 2015) (preloaded format=pdflatex)
 restricted \write18 enabled.
**\relax
entering extended mode
LaTeX2e <2015/01/01> patch level 2
Babel <3.9m> and hyphenation patterns for 79 languages loaded.

*\documentclass[english]{article}\usepackage{babel}\begin{document}
(/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2014/09/29 v1.4h Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/local/texlive/2015/texmf-dist/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))

@barbarabeeton ^^

@yo' -- didn't say they'd been implemented in the patterns, but are in the exceptions list. that means you need to put them into a \hyphenation{an-iso-trop-ic} entry in your preamble.

@barbarabeeton ah ok. I missed this difference. Thanks

@barbarabeeton Or \input{hyphenex}

@phell Close: /etc/os-release is a file; grep looks for occurrences of the "Ubuntu" string in this file and silently (-q) sets its exit value based on the search (now I just realized -c is not needed at all!). The result, being positive, closes the first part of the logical "and" and then it does the second part, which prints "yes", or "no" is printed otherwise. :)

@egreg -- quite true. hyphenex is a very nice contribution.

@PauloCereda I thought folders were files too!

@yo' -- i use plain tex instead of latex for checking. not nearly so much overhead. (of course, it only works for u.s. english.)

@phell Depends on the way you see them. OS-wise, it could simply be a reference to the filesystem's inode.

@phell ooh it's the main reputation source for me and @DavidCarlisle. :)

@PauloCereda I've finally bought marmite, and have to find out whether I love it or hate it :D

@yo' oooh

When I woke up this morning my wife had left a plushie pony staring at me.

@yo' tried it yet?

@DavidCarlisle no

@yo' something to look forward too then:-)

@phell 1 or 3 (when I did that sort of thing:-)

@David I also like them because you can easily compress all the files and give them to someone. 2) feels like a good solution if the images have very big file sizes.

Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack

@PauloCereda you are missing an a

@DavidCarlisle Oh no!

Hi everyone, does anyone remember the text where all paragraphs were perfect rectangles ?

I can't remember his name

It was brochure like

@percusse Bob :)

I can only think of rivers. :)

@PauloCereda How's the thesis going?

;)

@percusse Oh no!

@percusse It will be a giant advance in CS, when it's finished.

@egreg I think so too. Probably he is implementing TeX in arara

@percusse -- i think you're thinking of jean-luc doumont's trees, maps, and theorems. (rather more than a brochure, though.)

@barbarabeeton AAAAH BINGO

Thanks a lot

Somehow I forgot the content completely

@percusse -- but obviously the presentation made a lasting impression. (i've always wondered how long it took him to (re)write every paragraph until it was a perfect rectamgle. with beautifully even spacing to boot.)

@barbarabeeton OCD is a disease that affects all of us

@egreg ooh it will be novel for ducks. :)

@percusse ooh :)

@PauloCereda :)

@PauloCereda It seems like a good plan! Next time you go to Pisa you can make a proposal to the city council.

@egreg Nah I will be too busy eating ice cream. :)

@PauloCereda Beware, ice-creams cones in Pisa are bending.

@egreg Oh no!

@egreg: what if I bend in the exact opposite direction...

:)

@egreg LET'S TILT THE EARTH

@PauloCereda Oh, no: you look at the tower and the ice-cream falls down. ;-)

@egreg LOL

@PauloCereda By the way, there's a very good Pasticceria in Pisa (not near the Cathedral): Salza. Here's the Street View: google.it/maps/…*213m4*211e1*213m2*211sYHS4QBkKIML5x4YzVy-n4Q*212e0*214m2*213m‌​1*211s0x0:0x8f8cfeca85dd1739!5s+-+Google+Search&imagekey=!1e2!2sYHS4QBkKIML5x4YzV‌​y-n4Q&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1pr-c1rTMAhVEVBQKHXAZBcoQ3RoIITAJ

Hmm, the link doesn't work. Let me try again: tinyurl.com/z5balo4

@yo' -- but it's already tilted ... that's part of what contributes to the difference between summer and winter. (never mind that the degree of tilt of the geographic axis isn't the same as the degree of tilt of the magnetic axis.)

@barbarabeeton but ... you know ... I mean ... there's no tilt like a tilt :)

@yo' -- there's also "tilting", which is similar to jousting. (and jousting is, believe it or not, the "state sport" of maryland.) don quixote was known for tilting at windmills, which isn't a very safe endeavour.

@barbarabeeton there's what similar to ... what? UNCLE GOOGLE, WHERE'RE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU!

Oh I see, souboj dřevci in Czech

@yo' -- both jousting and tilting involve somebody on a horse, holding a lance. the horse runs "full tilt" toward someone or something. sometimes there's only one horse and rider involved, but in the age of chivalry, there were two of them, running at each other. sometimes there was a barrier between, sometimes not. rather dangerous, all things considered. apt to put big dents in one's armor.

@barbarabeeton well, I know what it is

@yo' -- i can see that you're going to have to give me a lesson (or several) in czech pronunciation.

@barbarabeeton dřevec is a funny word :)

@barbarabeeton He just wanted to salve Dulcinea. :)

@yo' -- oh, my! boží dřevec is artemesia absinthium, the herb from which absinthe is created. it's been said that "absinthe makes the heart grow fonder", but more likely, it simply caused one to become terminally befuddled when imbibed too often. (it's a pretty shade of green.)

@barbarabeeton well, boží dřevec is not the official name of the herb. Funnily enough, a very close relative to this one is a popular herb for a good herbal tea to support good sleeping :)

@barbara btw, I don't believe you that the earth is tilted. It's flat.

@yo' -- i'm not going to argue that one with you. my college roommate is a professional geologist, and my sister was crazy about rocks, both climbing and collecting. (she also claimed that i had them in my head.) plate tectonics explains a lot. reunite pangaea! stop continental drift!

@barbarabeeton UN should make a declaration forbidding the drift!

@barbarabeeton And a former head of the Geology Department at Padova University was prof. Sassi. Hint: translate.google.it/#it/en/sassi

@egreg oh, the director of the marvellous Prague Botanical Garden was Prof. Větvička

@egreg -- oh that's quite apt! one of the excursions at the upcoming tug meeting is to a small press run by tim inkster. (he'll also be giving a talk.)

@barbarabeeton :)

@barbarabeeton Could he do anything else in his life? :)

@egreg -- well, his talk is entitled "The beginning of my career", so we'll find out.

Anybody has a spare vote to take one question out of the unanswered ones? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/296569 (I'm rep capped, don't worry)

@egreg -- done. (i even agree with the answer.)

@barbarabeeton Thanks!

There's also this one: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/296523

@egreg The voting squad strikes again. :)

command received .... commencing super vote

@percusse <3