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12:47 PM

@DavidCarlisle Picture mode at the rescue: tex.stackexchange.com/a/247622/4427

@Nasser -- the problem is not with the sentences starting the examples. each example contains a second sentence, and that is the sentence (in the first set) that starts with a symbol. the fact that you overlooked this is confirmation that the problem exists.

@ChristianHupfer latex-community.org/forum/…

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2:04 PM

@egreg im offline today lkeep up the good work

Christian Hupfer

2:27 PM

@Johannes_B: Shall I read that whole post? What of it?

@ChristianHupfer Maybe the last one is enough?

Christian Hupfer

@Johannes_B Ah... c......thesis --- say no more ;-)

2:46 PM

Chaos in USP, Oh my! :( educacao.uol.com.br/album/2015/03/06/…

Thank God I am at home today.

Christian Hupfer

2:58 PM

@Johannes_B: Do you think that tag edit on classicthesis is really necessary?

@ChristianHupfer Classicthesis is confusing, as the package and the whole template are called classicthesis. But non of them is a documentclass. Really necessary? Surely not.

@JosephWright Tried with the template on CTAN, with the template on LaTeX-Templates but i cannot reproduce the described behaviour. Maybe something changed within the last 18 months. We will never know. The question, at least for me, is unanswerable and i would have vtc a month ago. I am not doing this today, even though i am sure about it. Now, about half an hour of investigating and testing is ... what? Lost? I don't know.

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Q: pdfpages not working with classicthesis

I am trying to use a title page I found in this website (Showcase of beautiful title page done in TeX) which begins with \documentclass. As I try to include it in the main tex file, LaTeX returns an error, because \documentclass is already used. Then, I tried to execute the titlepage apart, obta...

@Johannes_B Unclear: I'll close

Arthur Reutenauer

3:40 PM

@JosephWright Probably not related, but last time I tried to answer a question about pdfpages it turned out the issue the OP really had was with embedded fonts: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/247149/… ;-) (The title was originally “How to include pdfpages when running pure latex”?)

3:55 PM

Can somebody tell me what the desired output means, i.e. what happens to the marginnotes? Feel free to ping me and i am writing up an answer.

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Q: Typesetting Classicthesis without margin notes

I am using classicthesis-v4.1 Lyx template for my thesis. I know that it is not advisable to make many changes in classicthesis.sty but I don't want to use the margin notes option in it. I tried the following solutions: 1) Did not change anything but removed all the margin notes. Result: 2) Tr...

lyx margins classicthesis marginnote

4:08 PM

@Johannes_B Unclear again

A newbie question: While posting your solutions, how do you generate the output image (Print Screen/Adobe snapshot tool etc.) and upload it in which format (.jpg/.png etc.)? Because, all my uploads so far look ridiculously Low-Res compared to others.

I use either Print Screen/Adobe snapshot tool to capture the required output area from the LaTeX generated PDF and then save it using MS Paint :O ! Perhaps I can select the required area directly from LaTeX and output it in image format?? Please comment! Thanks!

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Yes, MS Paint is definitely not recommended ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer ... I feared I would be banned from the chat room for even uttering its name! :P

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar I’m personally happy with my window manager’s print screen functionality (Unity on Ubuntu) - you can select an area of the screen and it generates PNG directly. You should find out if you can do something similar on Windows.

@Amar I can’t believe Adobe snapshot tool doesn’t have an option to do that.

@Amar We all have our flaws ;-) If you go back two or three days in the chat log you can read how when I started using LaTeX in the late 90s I was editing the source as plain text in Word.

@Amar Do you like ducks?

4:23 PM

@ArthurReutenauer no .. no .. I can of course select the area I want with Adobe's snapshot tool ... post-capture, I paste it in MS Paint and it screws up the resoltion, me thinks!

Disliking them is the only true reason for banning. :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar I see. I’m reading about the snapshot tool right now (I didn’t realise it was a feature of Acrobat / Adobe Reader or whatever it’s called these days). Does the following link help? partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/livecycle/…

Hi @PauloCereda! Who wouldn't? They are beautiful creatures! Though, I must admit, once I had some form of duck recipe for lunch in Innsbruck and I realised 'a-dried-out-duck recipe' isn't my thing! ;-)

@Amar -- the technique i use is to (1) limit the latex input to exactly what should be in the example (with \thispagestyle{empty}, (2) run pdflatex, (3) pdfcrop -margin 3 in-name.pdf out-name.pdf, and (4) convert -trim -density 200 out-name.pdf out-name.png. then upload the resulting .png. requires two "external" programs; can probably be scripted.

Arthur Reutenauer

@barbarabeeton Thank, that’s interesting and certainly more portable that screen printing tools.

4:30 PM

@Amar <3

@barbarabeeton I could create an arara rule for it! % arara: bb :)

@ArthurReutenauer -- i'm pretty sure i got it by asking how on meta, and someone pointed me to another forum which had the formula. (i now keep it in my local "cribsheet" file so i can find it quickly; i always seem to forget one of the modifiers if i try to do it from memory.)

Arthur Reutenauer

@PauloCereda And bb is also the acronym for bounding box, which is a relevant notion in this case! Amazing ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer exactly. :)

@PauloCereda -- yes; actually, i've been meaning to do that for some time, but haven't ever gotten around to it.

@barbarabeeton Leave it to me. :) I will add a couple of new rules too, Petr suggested me the inclusion of csplain and pdfcsplain as well. :)

4:34 PM

@ArthurReutenauer -- "bb" was also the acronym for "bulletin board" when i first got an email account on a stanford computer: "bb@sail". i sure got some funny messages ...

@ArthurReutenauer I use 'Texmaker' & 'MiKTeX' on windows for general purpose LaTeX stuff, such as TeX.SX Q&A. My actual thesis work in the Virtualbox that runs Ubuntu 10.04 LTS with TeX Live 2009.

@PauloCereda <3 to you as well! :)

Arthur Reutenauer

I’ve recently been guilty of including a full-page document just to demonstrate that the page numbering label was changed tex.stackexchange.com/a/246881/246939

@Amar In some browsers, such as Chrome/Chromium/Opera, you can paste images directly into the image upload dialog.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar If you’re using Unity on Ubuntu (the default window manager), function-print screen lets you select a part of the screen, then saves the result as PNG.

@barbarabeeton Oh, right. That’s fun.

@barbarabeeton thatks for that! I will try it out! It looks promising!
@ArthurReutenauer I believe I am using nautilus, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't support Fn+PrintScreen .. lemme try

@TorbjørnT. ohh! didn't realise that TeX.SX upload dialogue supports that functionality. I am using chrome right now. Let me try it out.

4:44 PM

@TorbjørnT. DEVILISH THINGS!

:)

@PauloCereda Rather convenient I'd say.

@JosephWright Spam tex.stackexchange.com/questions/119060/…

@TorbjørnT. :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@TorbjørnT. I didn’t know about that either. Neat indeed.

@TorbjørnT. I just tried pasting a screenshot in the chat upload dialogue using chrome/win and nothing happened .. may be it works only in linux

@ArthurReutenauer Fn+PrnScr/ PrnScr in nautilus simply pops up the save/copy screenshot dialogue. I have to use accessaries>take a screenshot tool which gives me options -- grab desktop/ grab current window/ select area. Alternatively, we can do this via terminal, see:

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4:57 PM

@Amar Doesn't seem to work in chat, only posts on the main site.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Thanks, didn’t know about gnome-screenshot.

@ArthurReutenauer @ArthurReutenauer that's pretty much how to do it, if you can bring the snapshot tool icon on your toolbar it gets even easier, provided your other/ following application used for pasting the snapshot isn't MS Paint! :D

Hi all, I've asked this before but I'll ask it again: does anybody know a good alternative to typophile? I'm looking for a matching typeface, specifically I'm looking for a matching greek lowercase font.

@TorbjørnT. ahh! ok. thanks! :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Great, so now you can also explore the 2-3 other options you’ve been suggested and not get anything done ;-)

@1010011010 Hashtag typophile on Twitter? ;-) There’s a graphic design stack exchange site too, maybe try there.

5:04 PM

Fedora people: according to my tests, there seems to be a Gnome bug in F22 which makes X crash after login, except when Wayland is on use (but it's sluggish). If you want to use F22, try another desktop environment like Cinnamon (it's working like a charm for me now). It's almost sure that KDE works.

@ArthurReutenauer Hmm I suppose the graphi design SE sounds promising. :-) I'll try that. Thanks.

Arthur Reutenauer

@1010011010 It’s annoying that they’ve removed all the content, by the way, I’ve got bug reports for XeTeX that only reference discussion on typophile and now it’s all gone.

@ArthurReutenauer Maybe it'll come up soon again.

@ArthurReutenauer bengali page numbers! that's right out of my corner of the world! :)

It's been down for a while...

Arthur Reutenauer

5:07 PM

If someone is going to make a public discussion forum, they don’t have to run it forever, but why remove the content? Just make it read-only.

@1010011010 I hope so, otherwise that bug is never going to get fixed ;-)

@Amar I’m glad you noticed :-) Does it look right, by the way? The guy didn’t comment much.

@ArthurReutenauer Who knows?! I don't know Bengali script myself! :) I know Marathi, Hindi & Sanskrit though, all of which can be collectively referred to as Devanagari.

@ArthurReutenauer I think I will just continue with @barbarabeeton's soltion for now, as I can easily share my files between windows and ubuntu using VitrualBox's shared folders utility.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar OK, thanks. I just put the Unicode code values (they’re off by 128 from the equivalent Devanagari ones). There was a really weird thing in the support for Bengali in Polyglossia, that defined a \bengalinumber that actual output the Devanagari ones. It took me some time to figure out, I was really confused.

@Amar Sure, feel free to choose whatever solution works best for you, that’s the whole point of the Stack Exchange model, after all ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer yeah, that can happen sometimes with packages/SW that support any Indian language typesets; since, most people in this country (at least the educated masses) can identify & understand alpha-numerics from the devanagari script.

Arthur Reutenauer

5:23 PM

@Amar That’s how I understood it. It doesn’t make it easy for package developers (= me) to make good user interface choice.

@Amar I’ve got a Punjabi friend who, I recently discovered, can’t read Gurmukhi very fluently any more. (OK, she can read it, but it seems she would be more comfortable with Devanagari).

@ArthurReutenauer I can definitely sympathise with that! However, I am sure that forums such as TeX.SX are inspiring more and more Indian-origin SW programmers to come up with better support for the tangled web of Indian languages and their scripts.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Yes, of course TeX.SX is a precious resource.

@Amar Anyway, it feels just wrong that \bengalinumber would ever output Devanagari numerals, so I’ll change that in Polyglossia :-)

Oh no, it’s even more of a mess than that ...

@ArthurReutenauer There's a reason for your friend's predicament. In English, one needs to understand both the spoken and the written form of the language. Whereas, there exists a group of niche Indian languages, where one only needs to know the spoken form; because either it doesn't have a corresponding script or it is so ancient that no one uses it or most population has adapted one of the Devanagari scripts to convert the spoken form of that language!

Welcome my friend, to the confluence we call India! :)

@ArthurReutenauer *adopted

@ArthurReutenauer I think it's time we stop here on this Devanagari -related discussion. I am sure there are others who would like to talk about more relevant topics :)

Arthur Reutenauer

5:39 PM

@Amar Well, they may talk if they want :-)

Since Enrico just joined us, I suggest we switch to scripts and languages of Italy ;-) There’s still some work to be done in that area.

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@ArthurReutenauer Do you want to define a Polyglossia module for Sicilian?

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg If someone gives me the translations, sure! And Sardinian, too.

@ArthurReutenauer For Sardinian there's @Alenanno

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg Oh cool! I didn’t realise.

5:45 PM

hmmm sardines.

@ArthurReutenauer My local language (Veneto) even hasn't an accepted orthography.

@PauloCereda It seems to me that while the first ducky dances to Macarena, the other one is busy banging it's head to Dr. Dre or some such ... :)

@Amar LOL

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg But does it have some defined orthographies? It’s not uncommon for minority languages to have several competing standards.

@Amar Quite right! I didn’t notice until you pointed it out :-)

Talian (or Brazilian Venetian) is a dialect of the Venetian language, spoken primarily in the Serra Gaúcha region in the northeast of the state of Rio Grande do Sul in Brazil. It is also spoken in other parts of Rio Grande do Sul, as well as in parts of Espirito Santo and of Santa Catarina. Despite the similar names, Talian is not derived from standard Italian (actually called grammatical Italian in Brazil), but is mainly a mix of Venetian dialects influenced by other dialects of Northern Italy as well as local Portuguese. == History == Italian settlers first began arriving into these regions in...

Arthur Reutenauer

5:52 PM

@PauloCereda That’s awesome :-)

My greetings to the omnipresent @egreg ! .. and apologies for leaving comments that start with @egerg on several occasions :|

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar I think you’ve got tab completion in the comments too, so no excuse ;-)

SIL recognises 9 regional languages related to Italian (including Venetian), some of which have their own Wikipedia (including Venetian).

@ArthurReutenauer I DO have an excuse! :p .. didn't realise until now that I have Tab completion in the comments!! :D LOL face-palm

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar You’re forgiven, it took me a while to realised too ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer We kind of have some competing standards. Although some are settling down. But since Sardinian has no significant written history (read: almost none), it's not easy.

Arthur Reutenauer

6:02 PM

Ah, here he is! Speaking of the devil.

Hello @Alenanno

@ArthurReutenauer Well, @egreg pinged me. :D

Arthur Reutenauer

I’m confused by all these names starting with A; when I start with A I want to type my own name and that’s not supported by tab completion (what, you can’t @-ping yourself?).

@ArthurReutenauer Why would you want to ping yourself? lol

Arthur Reutenauer

Anyway @Alenanno Yes, obviously supporting minority languages in Polyglossia is not a very high priority ;-) (although Claudio Beccari does a good job at that, but for the languages and dialects of Northern Italy and the Alps), and translating labels used mostly for scientific publications doesn’t make much sense, but it would be nice to be able to typeset the date, at least.

@Alenanno I understand that the use case of pinging oneself is not a very compelling one ;-)

@ArthurReutenauer Yes, there are some competing schools; but it's mostly a political affair, so I prefer not to take position.

6:09 PM

@ArthurReutenauer You could make strings for Sardinian but the problem would be: what words to use? We have a policy here where signs are both in Italian and Sardinian, but we're like the Norwegians: there isn't just one Sardinian. :D There is almost a 1:1 ratio with Sardinian varieties and villages/towns.

@Amar :)

Although it's a gradual change: the further you go away from your town, the more different it becomes.

@1010011010 How about (typedia.com) ?

@Amar I'm on the train going home. It's now entering the station, so I'll be off line in a couple of minutes, until after dinner. Ciao!

Arthur Reutenauer

@Alenanno Yes, it’s odd that the Norwegians still have that duality, but it was also a case of Norwegian having a low social status at the time the written standard emerged.

@egreg Ciao!

6:13 PM

@egreg Bon Appétit! .. Just wanted to say Hello! :)

@egreg See you!

Arthur Reutenauer

I have a plan to support more minority languages in Polyglossia but it’s only vaporware at this point.

@1010011010 Also see: typedrawers.com (I think this is a close match) .. and see these lists: dmoz.org/Top/Arts/Graphic_Design/Typography & similarweb.com/website/typophile.com#similarSites

6:29 PM

@Amar Well, typedia basically confirms what I already knew: that there is no similar font...:-)

@Amar That list is great, though.

@1010011010 glad I could help! :)

@10

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar That’s where you’re glad for the tab completion :-)

@1010011010 is typedrawers.com of any use to you?

@ArthurReutenauer I knew you'd catch me red-handed, you! :D

7:09 PM

@Amar I must say, I'm very confused by the site.

It shows me that I should use my real name after I already registered...

Then I proceed to the discussions board but I can't start a new topic...

Now I just created an account and it instantly got deleted again...

@ArthurReutenauer @barbarabeeton @TorbjørnT. Regarding my original Q (Methods to generate the MWE output image for TeX.SX posts; see: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/21907564#21907564) .. I found this Q on meta: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/1799/78565 .. there, @StephanKottwitz comments that apparently TeX.SX has the capability of automatic conversion of PDF to PNG when posting images! (see 2nd comment: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/a/1801/78565) .. That's awesome! :)

@1010011010 strange! I am not a member myself, just did some quick Googling for you .. that's all! :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Ha, that’s interesting.

@ArthurReutenauer @barbarabeeton @TorbjørnT. .. that meta question lead me to this TeX.SX question, which talks about several different ways one can achieve what I'd originally asked ... tex.stackexchange.com/q/11866/78565 ... @barbarabeeton may I suggest that you should add your solution too!

@barbarabeeton Do I need ImageMagick for the last step from your solution to work? convert -trim -density 200 out-name.pdf out-name.png.

@Amar If you want to use convert, you need ImageMagick. :)

@Amar Yes, but the conversion is in my experience not very good.

Arthur Reutenauer

7:25 PM

@Amar You can use Ghostscript if you want.

@TorbjørnT. you mean TeX.SX's PDF>IMG conversion right?

@PauloCereda How's this for a title of a talk: How a dead duck changed my life

@Amar Yes.

Arthur Reutenauer

@Amar Now I think of it, that’s what I used for the Bengali number question. Something like gs -sOutputFile=out-name.png -sDRIVER=png out-name.pdf -c quit

Not sure about the name of the driver.

@TorbjørnT. That bloody sick bastard. :)

@ArthurReutenauer Shall look into Ghostscript in detail ... thanks!

@ArthurReutenauer and then forgot to run pdfcrop? :p

@ArthurReutenauer .. erm, I mean before ..

7:34 PM

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Q: New 10K tool: question close statistics

Two years ago, we rolled out some significant changes to closing, along with a massive number of changes behind the scenes to clean up the supporting logic that had grown crufty over the years. As with many ambitious projects, this one quickly pushed the limits of its 6–8 week implementation sche...

discussion close-reasons off-topic 10k-tools custom-close-reasons

@Amar -- yes, i'll be happy to add my solution. thanks for the suggestion. a bit of history ... when i first started answering questions that needed embedded examples, the site was able to accept pdf files directly (and presumably converted automatically). at some point, that stopped working, and i had to find a different method, which is the one i posted here. that has actually undergone a couple of changes, most notably the value for the density (used to be 300, i think).

@barbarabeeton :)

Who can tell my why some of my nodes get pixelated?

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See: When SW vulnerabilities are found, what are companies fixing? ..

8:24 PM

@1010011010 Hard to tell. How were those diagrams created?

@Johannes_B With tikz, but I recreated the diagram in a new file and now all is good. Strange.

@1010011010 We don't need to understand everything :-)

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Arthur Reutenauer

@Johannes_B Very nice philosophy. I like.

9:17 PM

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Q: New 10K tool: question close statistics

Two years ago, we rolled out some significant changes to closing, along with a massive number of changes behind the scenes to clean up the supporting logic that had grown crufty over the years. As with many ambitious projects, this one quickly pushed the limits of its 6–8 week implementation sche...

discussion close-reasons off-topic 10k-tools custom-close-reasons

@JosephWright oh no

@PauloCereda I can't work out how you get there other than having the link: it's supposed to be in some tools place, but I don't know where!

@PauloCereda It's just stats

@JosephWright Click Review, then tools in the upper left. (Below Questions, Tags, Users, etc.)

@TorbjørnT. Yes, I tracked it down in the end

@TorbjørnT. To me that's not a 'menu': I was looking on the proper one I get as part of the mod tools

@JosephWright Actually I'm wrong, that only leads to the old stats, not the closed question-stats.

9:32 PM

@TorbjørnT. Down the bottom of the close page I found the correct link

@JosephWright Ah yes, I see it now.

@TorbjørnT. I think they might want to omit the 'stock' text in the custom close reason list

@JosephWright Might as well.

@PauloCereda I'm sure you'll enjoy my last answer. :-)

@egreg Lovely! :)

@egreg: So much references, it's a jewel. :)

9:46 PM

@PauloCereda Don't panic!

@egreg :)

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@egreg: :help! in vim gives us this. ^^ :)

Hi @JosephWright ! In this comment you suggested that the "two token" question could be added if it doesn't exist already. I looked and it doesn't. Would something like this be appropriate --

Why do LaTeX parsing macros defined to differentiate between two types of elements in alphanumeric strings (e.g. 9.368e-03) require two tokens instead of one, to search the alphabetical elements?*

10:05 PM

@Amar Not quite, more like Most efficient way to search for an optional token in input. It's not limited to letters/numbers and as with almost everything in TeX it's about tokens :-)

@PauloCereda Is it a new videogame?

Arthur Reutenauer

10:20 PM

@egreg Evidently it's the Portuguese version of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy :-)

@PauloCereda I don't find the red font particularly friendly, though. Not sure what friendly letters would look like, actually.

@egreg By the way, your user name suggests an unfortunate auto-completion in English :-/ I only realised now because I don't usually chat from my phone.

Arthur Reutenauer

10:38 PM

Is it awkward that I'm talking to myself? Or, for that matter, that there's a girl crouching at my feet in the pub where I'm sitting, taking advantage of the power socket next to my table?

Friday night in London for you.

@ArthurReutenauer a gentleman would give up his seat:-)

Arthur Reutenauer

Anyway. @SeanAllred, I don't know if you're around tonight, but I've learnt a few things about licence compatibility, it changes a bit the view of the XeTeX licence I had.

@DavidCarlisle I don't think she wants a seat. Now she's lying on the floor, actually. The guys at the next table are starting to worry.

@JosephWright OK. Got it. Thanks! Will try to post it in a day or two.

@ArthurReutenauer you are a god in her hallucination and she's worshipping you! :-p

11:02 PM

@ArthurReutenauer Unfortunate?

11:24 PM

@ArthurReutenauer oh ?

@egreg :)

@ArthurReutenauer Probably because of my colour scheme. :)

Arthur Reutenauer

@egreg Yes, because of the word egregious.

@Amar Somehow that sounds very Indian to me.

11:40 PM

@ArthurReutenauer unfortunately, yea, you are right! :) .. where about in london are you?

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