@baxx I think you need to load tikz explicitly. But why not test if it works?

@baxx If you are using framemethod=tikz, mdframed should load TikZ if it hasn't been loaded before. About xcolor, Marco has an option in the package as well, but he recommends that if you plan to load xcolor explicitly, do it before mdframed.

@JosephWright: "mod-ping" is a real thing, right?

I don't know anything about it, or how it works...

@Werner Yes

...just trying to add content to the following Meta Stack Exchange post:

How does it work?

@Werner I can send a direct chat message to any user and can also private message people for serious mod issues

From here? Or from where?

@Werner From chat I can ping anyone

@JosephWright I see.

That smells important.

@Werner Private mod messages are on the mod page for the site, which I get in the top bar between badges and review

@JosephWright Ahh yes. So you have an extra mod section... full of goodies.

@Werner Mods get other privileges too but they have nothing to do with being 'high rep'

@JosephWright Of course.

Thanks, @JosephWright. Off to bed now... Europe can take over now. ;)

@Werner Taken!

And greetings from the DANTE meeting Stralsund to all.

@StefanKottwitz :-)

configure: error: ../../../source/auxdir/auxsub/configure failed for auxdir/auxsub
strip: 'build/texk/web2c/xetex.exe': No such file
ls: cannot access build/texk/web2c/xetex.exe: No such file or directory

@JosephWright ^^ :(

@ChristianHupfer oops sorry I removed that blank line but you were already making a picture:-)

Hello from the DANTE meeting!

Oh, @StefanKottwitz was much faster than me

@DavidCarlisle: Naughty David, naughty David ;-)

@DavidCarlisle: Don't worry, I was about to remove it anyway, since it's of no use there

Text inside the quoting environment behaves differently inside and outside an enumerate environment. It's annoying.

Can anyone tell me why this is so without me producing a MWE?

@FaheemMitha the margins are different because that's the main thing enumerate does: change the margins.

@DavidCarlisle Well, outside the enumerate it is indented, inside not. And outside it doesn't put a blank space between paras, inside it does.

blank line, sorry.

@FaheemMitha oh I just realised you said quoting did you mean that, I know of quote and quotation

@DavidCarlisle yes, the quoting environment.

Is there a recommended option here?

As usual, there are several alternatives.

@FaheemMitha presumably defined in some package that you haven't mentioned quoting perhaps? Hard to guess everything :-)

@DavidCarlisle yes, the quoting package. I guess I could post a MWE, though it seems a rather trivial issue...

@PaulGessler rep and all badge counts palindromic!

My palindromic cycles have higher frequency right now than those of the TeX demi-gods. :-)

@PaulGessler congratulations.

@FaheemMitha @DavidCarlisle thanks! And good MAEN to both of you.

@PaulGessler: You stole my line :-( sob

@ChristianHupfer sorry... but I like it! :-)

@Paul: Expect that I will sue you :-P

@ChristianHupfer but it was a particularly tricky use as it was 12 noon, I wasn't sure which branch to take.

@DavidCarlisle: That doesn't count ;-)

@ChristianHupfer by the time I'd finished worrying about it, it was after noon and the problem had gone

@DavidCarlisle A plane has crashed directly on the Canadian-American border. Which country will bury the survivals?

@yo' I don't fall for that

@DavidCarlisle boo

:D

@yo': Bad joke ;-)

@ChristianHupfer I know.

@PaulGessler your only palindromic defect is your name I'm afraid ... you should rename yourself :)

@yo' my photo too—I'm not symmetrical. :)

@PaulGessler indeed.

@yo' My name is palindromic: (eg)r(eg). I'll ask the Unicode committee to recognize eg as a single letter.

@egreg my name is almost palindromic: - --- -- and I will ask ISO to redefine palindrome so that it's truly palindromic :D

@egreg I was really confused by your edit, then I realized I need some better fonts: vv

That doesn't look like an n-ary times operator to me, lol

@PaulGessler Yeah. No STIX?

@egreg getting them now. :-)

@PaulGessler You already have them! They are in TeX Live.

@DavidCarlisle tug.org/texlive/doc/tlbuild.html#Prerequisites doesn't look too bad: just have to work out how to get fontconfiig installed onto my Mac

@DavidCarlisle Also Automake, but that seems straight-forward

@egreg yes, I meant installing them in my wicked OS ;-)

@JosephWright brew install fontconfig?

@JosephWright yes I wondered if I should try to build tl instead, I was building from the xetex code git cloned from sorceforge. automake is OK until it witters on for half an hour and make claims some file that google says automake should have made isn't there.....

@egreg probably not that OS, the Other One

@egreg Not a fan of Homebrew

@DavidCarlisle I might yet try in on my Parallels set up (Ubuntu) since it's likely to be easier

@JosephWright Why not?

@egreg Not a fan of any of these things: sort out the code in the project itself, don't add loads of rubbish to the OS

@egreg OS X has a C compiler on the path: that should be enough

@egreg Basically, these things are trying to make OS X into Linux rather than doing it the proper native way

@JosephWright You can have something like this:

> fortune | cowsay
 _______________________________________
< All true wisdom is found on T-shirts. >
 ---------------------------------------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

@JosephWright: Linux is the right way :-P

@ChristianHupfer Like I said, for the purposes of testing I might end up using Ubuntu for the task at hand: will depend on the outcome of my experiments

@egreg surely this is the sole purpose behind the creation of UNIX. :-D

( Why a man would want a wife is a big    )
( mystery to some people. Why a man would )
( want *two* wives is a                   )
( bigamystery.                            )
 -----------------------------------------
        o   ^__^
         o  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

 ________________________________________
( Think of your family tonight. Try to   )
( crawl home after the computer crashes. )
 ----------------------------------------
        o   ^__^
         o  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

Ezechiel 25,17: The path of the righteous Linux man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men (OS X or Windows). Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. ... etc ;-)

@egreg Of course, if I can't get it to go any other way I may be forced down this route

@ChristianHupfer Provided he doesn't need software that doesn't run on Linux ;-)

@JosephWright: That's not software ;-)

@JosephWright The problem with doing it the Apple way is that you get only what they want you to have.

@ChristianHupfer I have a job to do, I'm afraid

@egreg Same anywhere

@egreg My point is that if the starting point is you have X, you work with X

@JosephWright: So do I, but I am quite free in using my self-chosen OS

@ChristianHupfer So you do no work with anyone else then?

@JosephWright I remember the old days when HP-UX only provided a very basic C compiler, with which I was finally able to compile gcc2 and then also a TeX system based on Web2C.

@JosephWright: No, not in the sense of collaboration on papers etc. However, I have to transfer bad WORD (No, don't say 'IT') documents to LaTeX in my teacher training courses.

@egreg I bet none of them wanted to alter the permissions on /usr/local :-)

@ChristianHupfer Makes a difference (not just Word, but also ChemDraw for me is essential, plus other specialist stuff for instruments and some programs where I feel the Windows offerings are the best)

@JosephWright Well, you can work with Homebrew also that way.

@egreg I have tried and failed :-(

@JosephWright Use MacPorts. :P

@egreg Isn't that worse, though?

@JosephWright That's why I added “:P”

@egreg Ah

@JosephWright: Yes, of course...

Typical MWE:

@DavidCarlisle indeed. :) This one made the rounds at the office this morning.

@PaulGessler 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢 😭 😿 😢

@DavidCarlisle are you poking fun at my (and my system's) failure to deal with unicode properly? :-)

@PaulGessler you should use windows:-) (but the xkcd mouse-over should give you a hint as to what those characters are)

@PaulGessler ^^^

@DavidCarlisle I am using Windows at the moment. Somehow I think I've broken something with my browser's fonts... xD

@PaulGessler They seem to come from Segoe UI Emoji which I think is a windows system font, not one I picked up from somewhere

@PaulGessler win 7 or 8?

@DavidCarlisle yeah that's it—I'm on 7

@PaulGessler support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2729094

@PaulGessler so how can you manage without crying cat glyphs, you need the update:-)

@DavidCarlisle I already have way too many fonts installed :-p

Illustrator cries out in pain every time I open the glyph table's font dropdown.

Hi all

@Alenanno hi

@DavidCarlisle Hello David! It's been a while since I've last been here. :)

@Alenanno yes I thought that but didn't like to say in case you'd been here lots but I hadn't noticed:-)

@DavidCarlisle Ahah even then there wouldn't be a problem.

    England 1st Innings
    399 all out (110.4 overs)
    West Indies 1st Innings
    295 all out (113.0 overs)
    England 2nd Innings
    333 for 7 declared (86.0 overs)
    West Indies 2nd Innings
    105 for 2 (49.0 overs)

here for the cricket news?

Me? No, I was just visiting. :D I have just answered the question about the wrapfigures, if you remember it.

So also cricket uses "innings", not just baseball?

@Alenanno baseball hmm what's that:-)

Well, I don't follow neither to be honest with you.

:D

@cfr -- you could always quote your fee per hour ...

@StefanKottwitz -- greetings to the dante meeting. (i really enjoyed last year's meeting, and will try to attend again after i retire.)

@barbarabeeton Thanks! Diner in some minutes :-)

@barbarabeeton neat idea :)

@yo' It's such a good idea, I may send my fee to @barbarabeeton

Is it only me or have someone increased the letterspacing in the rep number here?

@yo' you're right, that does look a little loose. "36" on the badge count looks fine though.

@PaulGessler ok, I'll post it in the thread

@DavidCarlisle I guess I don't need to read xkcd any more. It will come to me instead. Whether I like it or not.

@FaheemMitha yes

Bumb review...

@Werner I'm not sure what "bumb" means, but it's surely understatement.

Is anyone running for the 2k15 mod elections and wants/needs a vote?

I'm lazy and I don't know any of those StackOverflow junkies...

@Werner Oh for goodness sake

@egreg Your answer indeed answers the \colon question, but is it an exact duplicate?

@yo' I think so.

@egreg ok, if you think

@1010011010 lol.

@JosephWright Do I sound whiny? :-|

@Werner No

@Werner @JosephWright It's a true pearl. The question is obviously bad and the OP needs some (a lot of) help on how to ask.

@yo' By the way, I added something to my answer there to describe the difference.

@egreg ok

@yo' Yah... in the past we've had some badge-hunters (I feel), reviewing content as "No Action Required" without any consideration. It comes and goes...

...I'm calm though. ;)

@Werner but tell me, how can someone with 6643 reviews do it for badge hunting?!

@yo' Good point. And I don't know...

@yo': A while back I posted this:

...and @JosephWright (and company) have been patient with my poking. Thanks for that.

@egreg ^^^^

@egreg -- most of the comments (and there are many) don't seem to address the core question. maybe you can do better. (the answer, i believe, is "no", but i would be happy to be shown to be wrong.

@barbarabeeton I saw it and didn't understand the problem.

@egreg -- i think he wants to be able, in his preamble, to provide a pre-ordered list of how he wants the entries sorted. he wants entries ordered by the canonical order of books in the bible, the only way i can think of to do that is to assign numbers, and give those as the sort field. looks to me like it probably goes to three levels; at least two.

@barbarabeeton I'll try something

@egreg good luck

@egreg -- i could probably rewrite it (assuming i really do understand what the op wants), but i'm struggling with a keyboard i'm not used to, and don't have any facilities for testing or "exploring" anything. (i really do have to come to an understanding with my laptop.) the op did make a sensible response to my comment, so i think i'm on the right track.

@barbarabeeton Possibly done.

@egreg -- looks pretty good. i suggested a 2-digit number since there are more than 9 book in the bible. if the op likes it, may i suggest a brief item for tugboat? i wouldn't have figured it reasonable to define something like this in the preamble but i guess it's feasible with a well-defined, limited set of terms.

@barbarabeeton I can think to it.

@DavidCarlisle So you can handle this then ;-)

I gave up with the xetex git repro as the makefile generaqted by automake died after a compiling stuff for several minutes with missing dependencies I couldn't trace, but the svn of texlive (rsync'ed actually) built without bother once I said not to include X-windows (I have X but one of them was causing bother I didn't want to look at, but everything else seems to have built)

@DavidCarlisle Cool

@JosephWright naturally I put this down to using svn rather than git

@JosephWright need to check that the latest xetex does get pushed to texlive (and all the binaries rebuilt...) don't think that's happened yet.

@barbarabeeton ;)

@barbarabeeton That's mostly my frustration at seeing code I spent a while correcting and explaining de-corrected again...

@JosephWright scratch that: tex-xet revert is in texlive svn

A user is (in my mind) close to spamming with repeated comments about sharelatex and I've no idea why: tex.stackexchange.com/users/35759/…

@PaulGessler I removed those "useful" (spam like) comments

@StefanKottwitz cool, thanks. I just thought it seemed odd.

@PaulGessler yes, very good observation (and still odd why he did it)