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12:03 AM

@cfr No that was a mass ping for Paulo's comment. You can click on the broken arrow to see the linked comment.

Regarding the user issue. You don't want to discuss but you are still accusing him. So I don't see why I should stop putting in my side of the commentary as you would still chase the discussion with the user.

Why would you post a meta answer to that topic anyway if you don't want to discuss?

12:20 AM

@PauloCereda So when is the interview? :-)

@HarishKumar sunday

4 hours ago, by Paulo Cereda

Let's settle for 15GMT then.

@HarishKumar I had gathered it was at 15:00 GMT on Sunday but I admit that was somewhat inferential.

The quote from @DavidCarlisle, on the other hand, is rather more concrete evidence.

@DavidCarlisle Thanks. I missed that bit.

@cfr Thanks :)

@HarishKumar I'm too slow ;).

@cfr Not that you are slow but @DavidCarlisle is too fast. He feel home in chat room ;-)

1:00 AM

@HarishKumar Certainly not true of me. Chat must, I think, be Through the Looking Glass...

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7:08 AM

@percusse I can see what you mean, and as I've said the best plan I think is to focus on the problems with the questions in this case (they are bad whatever the motivation), but I do think @cfr has a point that you can't entirely ignore the context if the user has raised it.

2 hours later…

8:49 AM

@HarishKumar Sunday 15GMT :)

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9:08 AM

@JosephWright: it's been a while, so I don't remember. :) Do you need to add the interview event to the community bulletin or is it added automatically? I created an event in the chatroom.

@PauloCereda Ah yes, I usually do

@JosephWright Ah. :)

Claudio Fiandrino

9:32 AM

@PauloCereda So finally there's a plan for your interview! This is just great!!

@ClaudioFiandrino I've been harassed, basically. :)

TikZ mafia mob. :)

Claudio Fiandrino

@PauloCereda I am not aware of any TikZ mafia here...

;)

@ClaudioFiandrino I can't name il capo di tutti capi. :)

@PauloCereda blackmailed. That's the word: blackmailed. Not harrassed :D

@tohecz :)

Claudio Fiandrino

9:39 AM

@tohecz Actually that was just a "polite invitation"...

@ClaudioFiandrino of course

Claudio Fiandrino

@PauloCereda If you were continuing saying no, the plan was to kidnap some ducks ;) apparently egreg volunteered to host them in Padua

@ClaudioFiandrino Oh no! :)

Claudio Fiandrino

@PauloCereda ;)

@ClaudioFiandrino An offer he couldn't deny.

@ClaudioFiandrino You're not a good spy. ;-)

Claudio Fiandrino

9:47 AM

@egreg Just revealed the most innocent plan... ;)

@egreg: BTW: yesterday a PhD student in Padova wrote me for some pgfplots help

10:06 AM

@ClaudioFiandrino It was @egreg in disguise. :) My name is... Henry Gregory. :)

Claudio Fiandrino

10:35 AM

@PauloCereda Given the problem, I don't think so :) (to make \coordindex of nodes near coord starting from 1 rather than 0)

@ClaudioFiandrino hmm David. :)

@PauloCereda I see my name even if you don't @

@DavidCarlisle witchcraft!

:)

Claudio Fiandrino

10:53 AM

@PauloCereda I'm sure David would have solved the problem in picture mode. :) Am I right @DavidCarlisle?

@ClaudioFiandrino well, we're still waiting for his lionptypus

@ClaudioFiandrino I have no idea what \coordindex is but picture sounds like the right thing to use.

Claudio Fiandrino

@DavidCarlisle Oh, it is a simple macro that helps in customizing the labels close to the plot marks. Nothing that picture can't handle

@tohecz Waiting for seeing it

11:39 AM

karlkoeller came back to the site! I was a bit worried.

@egreg Yay!

@JosephWright Why did you remove your answer about fontch?

@egreg The plain experts did not seem to like it

@JosephWright Well, revamping fontch.tex to remove those spaces wouldn't be bad.

@egreg morbusg is a proper plain user and he's given an answer, so I don't see the value in mine

@egreg True, and I have mailed the maintainer

12:14 PM

gizmodo.com/barbie-f-cks-it-up-again-1660326671

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What. Teh. Duck. Barbie.

.. question for upcoming interview.... why post images of transcripts of conversations with Barbie.....

@DavidCarlisle LOL

@David: on a more serious note, take a look at the link, it's quite hilarious. :)

1:05 PM

A nice font quiz: ironicsans.com/helvarialquiz

1:18 PM

How long do community interviews normally run for?

@FaheemMitha between 1.5 hours and 1.5 months :)

@tohecz That's a big variation.

@FaheemMitha yeah, but typically it's about 2-3 hours, see:

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Q: TeXtalk interviews

Introduction As part of the celebrations of our first birthday, we decided to interview great members of our community. Since we received very positive feedback from our beloved users, the TeXtalk became a regular event in our community blog. Our interviews are also indexed in the TUG Intervi...

discussion blog

@tohecz OK. I guess there haven't been many interviews recently

@FaheemMitha no, the last one was it seems 477 days ago

1:30 PM

@tohecz Oh, long time.

2:12 PM

Question: how difficult would it be to make miller indices for a unit cell in TikZ given that I'm rather new to tikz? I'd like something similar to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Miller_Indices_Felix_Kling.svg

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3:16 PM

Hello!

@Iplodman Aloha!

Bienvenido muchacho.

How did it go with the piercings girl? c:

Just to play on the safe side, I got a tetanus shot. :)

It was a great time. :) She's into engineering, but only in modeling, so she doesn't use emacs or vim.

@DavidCarlisle: ^^

Ew, Vim ;-;

Good for you though c:

Today's generation, man. It's all about Skrilex, dubstep and emacs. Pfff.

3:29 PM

@PauloCereda I like dubstep.

Back in my day we wrote code with half a packet of sand flavored crisps and our own tears.

@Johannes_B I like duckstep. :)

Glitchhop is great.

@Iplodman :set four-yorkshiremen-mode on

@Iplodman @egreg's favourite. :)

@PauloCereda Oh, I've seen that!

I LOLed xD

3:33 PM

@PauloCereda I had to look what that thing is (but it looked very suspicious); a few seconds were sufficient. I was listening to Telemann, by the way. ;-)

@egreg infinite recursion making you grumpy? your answers are getting shorter than mine:-)

@DavidCarlisle Infinite recursion?

@DavidCarlisle It's \sum\limits that upsets me.

@egreg How do you feel about Handel and Purcell?

@FaheemMitha don't start egreg off on music...

3:35 PM

@FaheemMitha Very well, thank you

@egreg Um, didn't quite parse that.

@DavidCarlisle Why not?

@FaheemMitha Baroque music is my favorite.

@egreg you should stick to hard questions like floats and leave easy subjects to others.

@egreg Mine too. Though Purcell isn't really baroque. Sort of a cousin, I guess.

@DavidCarlisle You were responsible for implementing that horrible mess, so I leave them to you.

3:37 PM

@Argo Very Very Very... easy :-)

@FaheemMitha That's a slightly different genre, yes.

@egreg you're just sad you haven't got a shiny badge like mine:-)

A shiny imaginary badge.

@DavidCarlisle Just four answers missing in conditionals

@PauloCereda Get Ready ;-)

3:39 PM

@HarishKumar You'll be the next.

@FaheemMitha A shiny imaginary badge!? Luxury! I only have an imaginary shiny imaginary badge!

@egreg easy subject, not really deserving of a badge

@Iplodman An existing unicorn either exists or doesn't exist; since it's existing, it exists. So existing unicorns exist and we have proved the existence of unicorns.

@Iplodman Um, what?

@egreg and proved that you'd fail a logic exam

3:43 PM

@DavidCarlisle I took this from a renowned logician's book!

@DavidCarlisle Would we not have just proved the existence of a non-existing existing unicorn?

@egreg /running

@Iplodman You should read that book: Raymond Smullyan, "What is the name of this book?"

I'll take a look at it.

3:46 PM

@egreg must be true then if it's in the published literature.

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3:57 PM

How expensive is it to get a book published, by the way?

@Iplodman Depends on where. You can get it quite cheap with Amazon I think, but it's not quite a "publishing" since Amazon Publishing is not quite a recognized publisher

@tohecz Works for me! Thinking about selling my poetry for cheap as once it's done.

@Iplodman then it's probably a good choice.

@Iplodman If you want to make a living as an author, the idea is to get the publisher to pay you

@DavidCarlisle Well, not a living, as such. Just something to say I've done.

4:04 PM

however,
Submissions
Amazon Publishing does not accept unsolicited manuscripts, proposals, or other submissions at this time.
(see http://www.apub.com/contact )

4:33 PM

Huh.

The more you know c:

5:18 PM

@Iplodman ... the less likely you are to finish a sentence.

It's a saying ;)

0

Q: Prefix with no unit with siunitx

How can I typeset a number with a prefix but without a unit with siunitx? The following code \SI{1.0}{\mega} gives this error: "Prefix with no unit."

Erm, there's an error for a reason!

@JosephWright it's a day for strange questions.

@JosephWright Give me one Tera, please.

@JosephWright \DeclareSIUnit{\void}{\relax} and \SI{1}{\mega\void} would do. ;-)

@JosephWright I can see making counter allocation work even if you allocate the same counter 20000 times in a loop is going to haunt us the way [H] haunts me, It's going to come up as a "useful" feature forever and we're going to be sad we implemented it:-)

@egreg fancy 1×10⁶ formatting:-) (but he probably wants 2^{20} :-)

5:33 PM

@DavidCarlisle I often surprise my students asking them how many decimal digits has 2^{20} or similar number and showing that one can simply do 20 times 0.3.

@egreg Yes: that's actually what I'm wondering about for v3 (the current business allowing \si{\kilo} is a bit of a hack)

Or 0.301 if the exponent is bigger

@DavidCarlisle Perhaps

@DavidCarlisle I'm afraid in my subject area [H] is more-or-less required

@JosephWright Would adding an implicit \relax at the end of the argument ruin something?

@egreg No, although it's perhaps non-obvious why it works

5:40 PM

@JosephWright I never did like chemistry:-)

@JosephWright so does SI have a view on how many bytes are in a kilobyte?

@DavidCarlisle Not the BIPM, but there are allied rules

@DavidCarlisle kilo is strictly 1000: 1024 is kibi

@DavidCarlisle I'm not saying they are right

@DavidCarlisle Well you let mathematicians off having \[ ... ]\ float, so I'm not sure that the start position is quite so strong

@JosephWright "kibi" not heard of that: presumably any made up name starting with k so that technically kbyte is correct again would have done?

@DavidCarlisle No, symbol is Ki

@JosephWright well no one uses that then:-)

@DavidCarlisle You are more likely to see MiB (mebibyte = 1024^2 bytes)

5:56 PM

@JosephWright Learnt in QI with Stephen Fry. :)

@PauloCereda Should just read the siunitx manual

Jun 4 at 12:56, by David Carlisle

@JosephWright quoting documentation at me: so unkind

:)

@DavidCarlisle: ^^ you are awesome. :)

@Joseph: I expect the new arara manual to have at least 200 pages. I'm doomed. :)

@JosephWright I just tried. ;-)

@egreg Do you know why it works, though?

6:11 PM

@JosephWright Because you wrote it. :)

@JosephWright No. :)

6:31 PM

@HarishKumar Alright, I'll give it a go

6:51 PM

@JosephWright: now I am intrigued why it works. Do tell. :)

7:23 PM

@PauloCereda I assume same reason most latex code works: by luck

@DavidCarlisle: Take some time off TeX - LaTeX and see if you can answer this:

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Q: XML table to LaTeX

Suppose I have an XML table of the form <table> <tr> <td>First Name:</td> <td>Bill Gates</td> </tr> <tr> <td rowspan="2">Telephone:</td> <td>555 77 854</td> </tr> <tr> <td>555 77 855</td> </tr> </table> that I wish to convert to LaTeX using XSLT (I stole this ex...

I want to stay ahead of you on the reputation scale... (wink wink)... (quack quack?)

@DavidCarlisle :)

@Werner nudge nudge say no more. :)

@Werner he asked on site here earlier today didn't he (i started to sketch out an xslt solution, I didn't know he wanted xslt:-) too close to the day job

@DavidCarlisle You're welcome... now get going! :D

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7:38 PM

@PauloCereda @DavidCarlisle ^^ see, I can do that as well

@tohecz Mine can be starred, yours no. :)

@PauloCereda my comment has more stars than anyone else

@PauloCereda most importantly, yours has a wrong colour

@DavidCarlisle boo! :)

@tohecz awwww <3

yay!

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@tohecz: A very naughty question: would you like to translate the terminal messages of the upcoming version of arara to Czech?

@PauloCereda depends on how much of work it is. And frankly, I've never used (needed) the tool

7:46 PM

@PauloCereda What is this?

@FaheemMitha it's the Queen. :)

@PauloCereda Queen of what?

@tohecz Ah I'll show you the messages later on. :) You actually don't need to use the tool, I was thinking of providing Czech localized messages. :)

@DavidCarlisle: ^^ send MI5 after him.

Good maen

@ChristianHupfer: ^^

<3

:)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Hello

@ChristianHupfer Hallo, wie geht's? :)

Christian Hupfer

7:55 PM

@PauloCereda: I am quite busy... I have not even time to answer TeX.SX questions :-( ... how about you....preparing the great interview thingy on Sunday? :-P

@ChristianHupfer I'm writing some random answers, so I'll replace myself with Psmith. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: You already have replaced yourself with Psmith :-P

@ChristianHupfer Psmith, the TeX bot: No, I haven't. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: This is how you can prepare the interview, well not using a tape, of course:

@ChristianHupfer Should we sing a song at the end? :)

Christian Hupfer

7:59 PM

@PauloCereda: Well, you could perform the Lumberjack song, if you prefer to... but it could be misunderstood.... slightly

@ChristianHupfer No bloody way. :)

Christian Hupfer

@PauloCereda: Coward, coward!

@PauloCereda: You should use Nicola Talbots pressrelease package (or whatever it's called) to publish your interview... :D

@DavidCarlisle: ^^

8:19 PM

Small expl3 again. Is there, at this moment, a way of setting keys of a different “branch” within another one? Example: \keys_define:nn { foo } { .. } and \keys_define:nn { baz } { .. } then \keys_set:nn { foo } { ..<something here to set "baz" keys> .. }?

I'm looking for something like \pgfkeys{tikz/.cd, .. }

@Manuel .meta:nn

.meta:n was known, but .meta:nn was unknown to me :)

@Manuel It's newer

Okey, I will look into it. Thanks.

Alright, so I have a figure like this is TikZ, and I'd like to color the plane indicated with thin lines so it resembles a miller indice

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The figure is made from simple \draw. How can I color the plane (or rhombe) limited by the four thin lines?

8:35 PM

@Argo \draw[black, fill=blue] (5,0) -- (5,10) -- (8,15) -- (8,5) -- cycle;

8:49 PM

@tohecz Thanks a ton, saved me some searching in the long manual!

The result:

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9:08 PM

@Argo you're welcome

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A: XML table to LaTeX

<xsl:stylesheet version="2.0" xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" xmlns:xs="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema"> <xsl:output method="text"/> <xsl:template match="/"> \documentclass{memoir} \usepackage{multirow} \begin{document} <xsl:apply-templates/> \end{document} <...

9:40 PM

@blackened Another reason for suggesting my friends not to use LyX, thanks. ;-) — egreg 40 secs ago

@egreg still grumpy, you should do some xslt to cheer up ^^^^

@DavidCarlisle That's a job for patient Englishmen.

9:56 PM

speaking of grumpy:

Yes but why have all those settings. Do you really need \hbadness 1414 for example? why have you loaded times package (which makes times roman the default font) and cmbright (which makes cmbright the default font) you can't have two default fonts cmbright also sets the sanserif font but then you load the helvet package to choose a different sans serif font. the pdfpages package is loaded twice graphicx is loaded twice. they are just the things I spotted at a first glance. — David Carlisle 2 mins ago

@DavidCarlisle \usepackage{multirow}? Argh!

@DavidCarlisle Preamble pile up syndrome

@DavidCarlisle I remember having seen \hbadness=1414 somewhere advertised as part of a “good setup”.

@egreg are you sure 1415 wouldn't be better?:-)

@DavidCarlisle That would ruin everything, I guess.

How would I set up AUCTeX to use arara? I'm only just starting to use Emacs so I largely have no idea what I'm doing ... :P

@DavidCarlisle I found the source: look at page 7 of texdoc l2tabuen

\tolerance 1414
\hbadness 1414
\emergencystretch 1.5em
\hfuzz 0.3pt
\widowpenalty=10000
\vfuzz \hfuzz
\raggedbottom

These should be “good parameters” for paragraph making. BS.

10:10 PM

@AdamLiter I told @PauloCereda he should have written arara in lisp, auctex already has its own mechanisms for setting up processing pipelines so it it isn't clear it adds much really (sorry Paulo)

@DavidCarlisle Is it possible to set up AUCTeX to use arara, or is it just not worth the trouble, then?

@AdamLiter I haven't tried as getting arara to run is tricky for me (I use cygwin emacs but arara is java and thats native windows so has a different view of the filesystem) @PauloCereda has probably got something (i'm sure he uses emacs really)

@DavidCarlisle We can ask him in the interview.

@DavidCarlisle Hahah, okay. And thanks for the response.

Any suggestions for getting started with Emacs and AUCTeX, by the way?

10:27 PM

@AdamLiter texwelt.de/wissen/antwort_link/5576

@AdamLiter I don't really use many features these days as I only run mwe from here (I don't use tex:-) do you have the info manual installed in emacs?

@egreg Ah, vielen Dank. :)

@DavidCarlisle And yes, do you mean the manual that you can access with C-h i d m auctex RET?

yes

Read the manual is your advice? :)

That seems reasonable. :P

not advice I follow of course

@AdamLiter basically if you wanted to use arara I think you'd just tell auctex that "arara" was your latex command simplest way just to set the LaTeX-command variable.

10:37 PM

@DavidCarlisle Ah, well maybe it will be some fun, light reading to do over winter break. And thanks for that suggestion. I'll try it out.

@DavidCarlisle It doesn't accept LaTeX-command as a local variable, though.

@DavidCarlisle +1... that was nice of you. Now how about a holiday?

@Werner who would @egreg be rude to if I went away?

10:53 PM

@DavidCarlisle Hmmm... good point. I'm torn.

Perhaps you should go and visit him across the waters... and then, you'll both be occupied.

Invite @GonzaloMedina over as well! Drink wine and be merry... for about a month... at least!

;)

@AdamLiter: I'm not into AUCTeX so I really don't know what to say. :( Maybe @Sean might have some insight on it.

@Werner A very good plan ;-)

@HarishKumar It would be even better if you passed @Werner while we were all gone;-)

@egreg: Our first game in our new arena! :)

11:19 PM

@DavidCarlisle No chance :)

@HarishKumar we could all sit in Italy drinking wine and downvoting Werner, make it easy for you.

@DavidCarlisle Haha. That sounds very pretty. :)

@DavidCarlisle I'll have a chat with the "powers" to beef up the serial downvoting algorithm.

@DavidCarlisle You leaked strategy, See @werner is getting ready :)

Can images ever be MWE?

@HarishKumar MWE for my questions would be the images itself above. I am just looking for suggestions to overcome these issues. For example I tried using \usepackage[activate={true,nocompatibility},final,tracking=true,kerning=true,sp‌‌acing=true,factor=1100,stretch=10,shrink=10]{microtype} which fixed most of the alignment issues but still there are few existing one which I still want to avoid them. – Sangamesh 59 secs ago

@HarishKumar no:-)

11:29 PM

@DavidCarlisle Somebody says so!

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Q: Text out of margin and footer for bibliography

Well its been a great journey since past one and half month and I am happy that I managed write my dissertation with latex. Almost coming to finalizing stage, I figured out I have severe alignment problems that I am struggling to resolve. It would be hard to explain so I put it as images over he...

biblatex horizontal-alignment pdftex margins

@HarishKumar yes saw, just tell him to use \sloppy and leave at that with better example you could suggest a more focused solution but with a picture, you just have to suggest a generic sledgehammer solution

@JosephWright: Have you watched Monty Python Live Mostly?

@DavidCarlisle Barbara already gave her presence. So, I will leave t at that. :)

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