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Peter Grill
Peter Grill
12:16 AM
@cfr I don't really have much experience with the forest package. I can have a look once I get back if you include the question you are referring to.
 
cfr
cfr
12:44 AM
@PeterGrill Thank you! (tex.stackexchange.com/questions/211857/…) There are two dynamic trees in the answer mostly because I'm still not entirely clear what the OP is trying to do.
 
 
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Peter Grill
Peter Grill
1:54 AM
@cfr That question is way beyond anything I have payed with on the forest package. @DavidCarlisle is a bit confused as he thinks that the fancy forest at tex.stackexchange.com/questions/101200/… makes me an expert on the forest package. :-)
 
cfr
cfr
2:17 AM
@PeterGrill That is a whole lot more attractive than mine ;). (But I prefer the plainer version you give first!) However, it is not exactly the kind of forest I had in mind...
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@cfr Yeah I know. But that is only think David knows me for. :-)
 
cfr
cfr
@PeterGrill I think David is making fun of me...
 
Peter Grill
Peter Grill
@cfr No, David is actually making fun of me. Probably also using it as a tactic to distract us so he can collect more green ticks. :-)
 
 
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Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
6:52 AM
Using tabular (in a letter) does not by default show spaces between the tables and the text. Is there some natural (non-manual) way to add spaces before and after the table. Note, there is no float here - I'm not using the table environment.
This one looks relevant, except it is kind-of the opposite question:
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
7:38 AM
@FaheemMitha Define a new environment (to make changes globally if you change your mind) based on the center (or flushleft/flushright)-environment, or a minipage adding a bigbreak (or medbreak or smallbreak).
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B So, no builtin method? Do you have an example?
I didn't ask a questio because it seemed too vague/general.
This one looks sorta along those lines.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha Jep, it kinda is. 
\documentclass{letter}
\usepackage{blindtext}
\newenvironment{table}{
	\par\medskip
	\begin{minipage}{\linewidth}
		\centering
	}
	{
	\end{minipage}
	\par\bigskip
}
\begin{document}
\blindtext
\begin{tabular}{c}
	hi faheem
\end{tabular}
\blindtext
\clearpage

\blindtext
\begin{table}
	\begin{tabular}{c}
		hi faheem
	\end{tabular}
\end{table}
\blindtext
\end{document}
@FaheemMitha As you can see, a tabular doesn't start a new paragraph, it can be typeset inline. The new environment table starts a new paragraph, add a bit of space and centers the content of the environment (which can be basically anything) in a minipage. At the end, again a \par and some vertikal space.
@FaheemMitha Please see golatex.de/viewtopic,p,64245.html#64245 as well. I have to say, one should insert a \noindent after the first \par.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Except, this one is very specific. Is it possible to generically wrap anything inside an environment?
@Johannes_B Ok, I see that is an example. But I notice that where the inside should be, it is blank.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha What do you mean?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
7:56 AM
@Johannes_B I mean that if you are wrapping some arbitrary content, shouldn't there be a token or something indicating that arbitary content?
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha I don't get what you mean. You are placing the tabular inside the table.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha That's not how an environment definition works.
When you create an environment named foo, things get enclosed when you write content between \begin{foo} and \end{foo}.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@PauloCereda Oh, ok. I guess I should read about it.
@PauloCereda Ok, I see. Thanks.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha Johannes created an environment that puts a minipage with some space before and after. So everything you put inside this environment will behave like that. In that case, a tabular. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
But how is the environment told what to put before the content and what to put after the content, if the content is not represented by something?
Oh, I see they are enclosed in curly brackets. Never mind.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:02 AM
@FaheemMitha Note the environment definition. You have two parts: before and after.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@PauloCereda Right. Sorry, I think I'm not properly awake. Also, ignorant.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha Nah, don't worry. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B That looks good, thanks. Should I post a question, or is it redundant?
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha The concept is pretty simple once you get the drift. A specialised Q/A is not needed (i think) and a generic one most likely exists already.
@PauloCereda What do you thing? ^^^^^ new Q?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B Ok
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:09 AM
@Johannes_B I think your solution covers everything needed. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B Ok - suggestion. Post to the question I linked to above. It's basically the same question, I think. But I think your solution is clean and generaic.
Maybe I'm missing something, but in that answer, he doesn't actually define rcenter.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha seems you are still a bit sleepy ;-) 
\newenvironment{rcenter}
 {\setlength{\topsep}{.5ex}\center}
 {\endcenter}
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B Dammit, I didn't scroll up.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha :-D
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@Johannes_B thanks, but I stopped my Kanji project. That was to annoying and the only font I liked was for mac.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
8:18 AM
@LaRiFaRi You called a penguin? Good morning
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@Johannes_B Good morning. Enter instead of Tab... too early, still.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@LaRiFaRi Wenn alle Stränge reissen, you can draw the kanjis on low quality paper and scan them with low resolution and include this as a graphic at the right point. But this will make your document look more like W0rd i fear.
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@Johannes_B I managed to include kanjis to my document, but then, there was a space after each apostroph in text and the russian phrases got set "gesperrt"
@Johannes_B yeah, it was just a playing around. A nice booklet where I used EB Garamonds nice Cyrillics for Prokofjew and so on
And then I thought, I could include some Japanese as well... But maybe I got blocked for too much 'show-offing'...
As the information for the reader would be 'quite small', I leave it as it is.
@Johannes_B Are you German or Swiss? Just wondered, why you wrote "reissen".
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@LaRiFaRi German, saxon. But i know you are swiss ;-)
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@Johannes_B I am not... but you know your stuff :-) When using my mother-tongue Kölsch, I would use the ß (woa, I even know the alt+225 shortcut on my swiss keyboard)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
8:28 AM
@LaRiFaRi pro or contra 1e9e?
Capital ẞ
Capital sharp s (ẞ) is the contestable majuscule of eszett. Sharp s is unique among the letters of the Latin alphabet in that it has no traditional upper case form. This is because it never occurs initially in German text, and traditional German printing (which used blackletter) never used all-caps. When using all-caps, current spelling rules require the replacement of ß with SS. However, in 2010 the use of the capital sharp s became mandatory in official documentation when writing geographical names in all-caps. == History == There have been repeated attempts to introduce a majuscule ß. Such...
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
pro of course. But I got used to not using it. All the alt+225s each day which just show that I am German...
And I do not use small caps. So luckily I am out on that big ß discussion
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B It looks like a 3 falling his toupeé on the ground. :)
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@PauloCereda well, that is a really ugly one indead
hmmm, Libertine ain't better linuxlibertine.org/index.php?id=88
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@LaRiFaRi Rather a captial ß than the really disturbing substitution to SS when having uppercase text (posters and stuff).
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@Johannes_B oh, I got you wrong. I am contra 1e9e
Just read the "sharp s" and thought: yeah, pro...
or in fact I don't care. As I said, I don't use it
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
8:34 AM
Is there a bold version of \emph, or do I need to construct one, by wrapping \emph in \textbf?
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
\textbf{\emph{bold and italicized text here}}
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@LaRiFaRi Yes, that's what I'm doing.
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
\newcommand*\textitbf[1]{\textbf{\emph{#1}}}
@FaheemMitha I do not know a command for that.
Maybe in some package, but just define it for your self
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@LaRiFaRi Ok
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@FaheemMitha I just typed that stuff from my head. No guarantee that there is no colliding textitbf around. Maybe you call it \myEmph and you will be able to change it globally afterwards, if you (or your lector) does not like it
btw, \textbf{\textif{... would be better, if you want to guarantee bold italics
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:40 AM
{\bfseries\emph #1}
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@LaRiFaRi I used \bfemph
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@FaheemMitha whatever :-)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@PauloCereda Is that better?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha Dunno, it's just another way. :)
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@PauloCereda You need one more pair of brackets
if included in a newcommand as above
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
8:42 AM
@LaRiFaRi Yes, that's absolutely correct. :)
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
@FaheemMitha \bfseries is a switch and \textbf is a wrapping command. You may choose what ever you like more.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@LaRiFaRi Ok.
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
as a command, it would be \newcommand\bfemph[1]{{\bfseries\emph #1}}
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@LaRiFaRi I've used \textbf.
 
LaRiFaRi
LaRiFaRi
\textbf{\textit{#1}} would be my choice as well.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
8:56 AM
Listening to music on youtube is really slowing my system down.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Are you on Linux?
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@paulo ubuntu 13.04
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Try mpsyt.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@cfr On the 'homework' business, the point I was trying to make in my comment some time ago (when it first came up) was really trying to get at the idea that we can in the end only judge questions based on what we see: question quality
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
8:59 AM
@paulo i did some silly stuff breaking half of my system. Updates are buggy as well. But who has the time to update?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@cfr Most of the very small number of out-and-out homework questions I've seen have been poor questions, so I'd not answer them on that grounds.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B :)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@cfr There clearly is a tension with the idea of 'newer users': on other network sites the questions would probably be closed very rapidly, but we tend not to do that as it fails to give the user time to learn/improve.
@cfr I'm certainly not wanting to support anyone actively cheating (though as you note 'homework' to me means something of a learning tool rather than an assessment item). However, I think we are much better placed to say 'this is a poor question' as it's true whatever the background to the question.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda I am a little bit in love right now.
That was what i was looking for. A cli tool to listen youtube videos. Why did my 5 minute google search fail?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I use youtube-dl.
Though that just does a dl, but streaming.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:09 AM
@Johannes_B :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I wonder if I should prefer mplayer2 over mplayer for wheezy.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
9:24 AM
@egreg: the waiting tone for the yesterday's girl cellphone is the sledgehammer concerto. This won't end well. :)
ooh an algorithmic shark!
Is it a polynomial one? :)
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
Hey
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@algorithmshark Hi! Welcome to the chatroom!
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
So I was faffing about with xy-pic for the last couple of hours.
Trying to get breaks in the arrow at irregular points, not exactly halfway.
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda I'd file a protest.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg LOL
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
9:27 AM
I came up with a solution--should I post that as a question and immediately answer it?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Only 7 people showing on the chat at the moment. I thought there were usually more.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@FaheemMitha Varies
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@JosephWright I guess North America isn't up right now.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@algorithmshark Self-answers are surely welcome. :) That said, I think it would be better if the question existed before you came up with a solution to it; as it is, IMHO, it might look to others as rep farming. Maybe you could take a look if the question hasn't been asked before; if so, take a look at the answers and see if your answer can add value (in the sense of providing alternate ways or better handling); >>>
>>> otherwise, I think you could post a new question, but wait some time before posting an answer. So people won't think it's solely for rep farming. :)
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
That's the thing, there doesn't seem to be anything like my question.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:34 AM
@egreg 10 seconds too fast:-)
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
Not particularly interested in rep, I just thought maybe the rest of the world might like to see my solution, given that anything complicated in xy is so sparsely documented.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@algorithmshark We know that, don't worry. :) But as I said, others might not think that way. :) But it's just my opinion. :)
Go ahead and post it, my dear shark. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha tabular never has any space, begin{center}\begin{tabular}.. will centre it and offset it with some display space
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle Oh, wrapping it in a center environment would suffice by itself?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha You don't look very experimental, do you? You always ask things but seem not to actually try things. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
9:38 AM
This one actually looks Ok:
\newenvironment{mytable}{
\par\medskip
\begin{minipage}{\linewidth}
\centering
}
{
\end{minipage}
\par\bigskip
}
@PauloCereda Sometimes I do. It depends.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha ;)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I don't always have the time to experiment.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha I know the feeling. Same here. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
If I can't get any answers, then I have no choice but to experiment. That happens a lot.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha tabular has the same spacing rules as X (that is, nothing) center environment has vertical space (unlike \centering which does not)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
9:40 AM
@DavidCarlisle Oh, so center environment vs \centering. Got it.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda beware stepping on the toes of the tikz mafia...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle oh no!
percusse will break my legs.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle would the result of a center env be similar to what I posted above?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha but better as space from center is added via addvspace so merges with space from adjacent environments (eg lists)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle Ah, Ok. I'll give it a try then. Thanks.
Is the TikZ mafia using 3.0 now?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
9:45 AM
@FaheemMitha 4.0 but they do not tell you about it.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle They're holding out on us?
Bad mafia.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Omertà
Omertà (/ɵˈmɛərtə/; Italian pronunciation: [omerˈta]) is a cultural expression and code of honor that places legitimate importance on a deep-rooted family sense of a "code of silence", non-aggravation with authorities, and non-interference in the legal actions of others. It originated and remains very common in Corsica and Southern Italy where Mafia-type criminal organizations such as the 'Ndrangheta, Sacra Corona Unita, and Camorra are strong. It also exists to a lesser extent in certain Italian-American neighborhoods where the Italian-American Mafia has influence and other Italian ethnic enclaves...
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle Cue ominous theme music.
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle That \var was too prominent
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@FaheemMitha Actually, the center environment was my very first suggestion ;-)
@DavidCarlisle I thought about this, thought of using something like \addvspace{\medskipamount}.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
9:59 AM
@DavidCarlisle I tried the center thing, it didn't add adequate vertical space in my example.
Actually below at least, it didn't seem to add anything at all.
Vertical space wise.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg but meanwhile I'm still teaching Italian to the general public,
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
In creating images for my to-be-self-answered question, i discovered an even easier solution to the problem, one that nearly trivializes the whole thing.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@algorithmshark Sharks are awesome, what did you expect?
:)
@ChristianHupfer: good maen
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
Good maen
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
timelord trickery!
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
10:06 AM
@PauloCereda: Plagiator duck
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@ChristianHupfer Beware for a shark is amongst us.
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
So today I learned that you can put factors on a lot of things: \ar[r] |(.3){\frac13} |(.7){\frac23}
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda: A Shark in the dark ... ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@ChristianHupfer :P
 
algorithmshark
algorithmshark
I don't even know if this warrants a question anymore, because I'm sure it's hidden somewhere in the manual...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
10:08 AM
@algorithmshark @David is the expert on manuals. :)
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@algorithmshark: I won't mind that... I rather mind stupid questions on stuff which is treated in every book/manual on (La)TeX and still people don't know how to switch the page numbering or add something to the ToC etc.... please add some examples to the list ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Mark didn't answer our calls, cfr doesn't want to be interviewed. Next on the list? :)
How about Mico?
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda: David is expert in anything... except vi
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@ChristianHupfer Actually, he knows vi better than the average bear user. :)
 
Christian Hupfer
Christian Hupfer
@PauloCereda: That's true and he knows that one should not use it at all : -P
 
egreg
egreg
10:16 AM
@DavidCarlisle In pronouncing omertà, pretend you're Scottish.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Do we have someone from Scotland?
@DavidCarlisle: will you attend the UK-TUG meeting?
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@PauloCereda Mark who?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda you
@PauloCereda probably, hard to think of plausible reasons for not going since it's just down the road
@PauloCereda @tohecz
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha Wibrow. :)
@DavidCarlisle No. :)
@DavidCarlisle Czech-Scottish people. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
10:33 AM
@DavidCarlisle I second that recommendation. Maybe we'll find out why Paulo likes ducks.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
Everyone who wants @PauloCereda to be interviewed star this comment
33
@PauloCereda democracy in action ^^
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle no no no no!
I don't want to be interviewed!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda that isn't what the question asks:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Oh no! :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
10:48 AM
@PauloCereda just answer every question with a quack, the interview will be short then
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle hm... quack? :)
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle Starred!
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Oh no!
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda The radio is playing “Una furtiva lagrima”. Are you crying too?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Not a single drop. :)
 
egreg
egreg
10:53 AM
@PauloCereda So you're safe from the pierced girl?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg She called me today. :) We will have some coffee later on. :)
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda You'll get along well, she's probably a vim user.
 
percusse
percusse
Ahem, let's see if I can mass ping everyone, Star the message about Paulo and harass him. @algorithmshark,@AdamLiter,@AndrewCashner, @ChristianHupfer, @cfr, @cgnieder, @Christoph, @ComFreek, @ClaudioFiandrino, @DavidZ, @EnthusiasticStudent, @FaheemMitha, @GonzaloMedina, @hhh, @HarishKumar
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg My first question after how was your day. :)
@percusse Hey! That's TeX bullying!
 
percusse
percusse
@Iplodman,@Johannes_B, @JosephWright, @JamalS, @Jörg, @LaRiFaRi, @Manuel, @michal.h21, @noslin005, @omeinusch, @PeterGrill, @PaulGaborit, @Raphael, @SeanAllred, @tohecz, @TorbjørnT., @user4550, @Vaibhav
Please see the previous message (two above)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
11:08 AM
@PauloCereda Don't mess with the tikz mafia
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle I expect waking up and find a TikZ picture of a horse near me. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda If you are really bad it'll be a picture mode one
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
 
percusse
percusse
Can I post now?
ah heheh it bans you if you do nasty stuff
every mafia is a subset of another
 
Claudio Fiandrino
Claudio Fiandrino
@percusse Done!
Of course Paulo will candidate yourself as the next one!
 
percusse
percusse
11:14 AM
@ClaudioFiandrino This thing ends now. This is Spartaaaa.... :P
 
Claudio Fiandrino
Claudio Fiandrino
@percusse ;)
Or any "Little Italy" quartier...
BTW: any bets on the number of stars?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@cgnieder: Best. T-shirt. Ever.
 
David Z
David Z
@percusse heh, makes sense to me
Legitimate uses of peer pressure FTW
 
percusse
percusse
@DavidZ Desperate times desperate measures :)
He has been avoiding it for a long time
 
Christoph
Christoph
11:40 AM
@percusse democracy applied as commanded, my master
 
percusse
percusse
@Christoph Excellent. I'll invite North Koreans to the celebrations.
One of my favorite blogs kimjongillookingatthings.tumblr.com
 
Christoph
Christoph
"invite" sounds a bit flaky
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@percusse LOL
 
percusse
percusse
@PauloCereda Did you survive the recordings?
I might have to leave this band :)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@percusse It's very good! :)
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
12:16 PM
@percusse Am honored to have been included in the mass ping. What's up? Has @DavidCarlisle figured out how to draw a not-too-pre-Renaissance halo in picture mode?
 
percusse
percusse
@AndrewCashner I tried every letter after @ :) We are harassing Paulo to be the next interviewee....
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
@percusse Has psmith been interviewed yet?
@percusse Oh good. I added my star to the cause already.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@AndrewCashner \circle{10} (picture mode devotees go for perfect shapes, none of the fuzzy shapes of tikz or pre-Renaissance painters)
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
@DavidCarlisle :) "perfect shapes" ... now that sounds downright medieval!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
12:33 PM
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{siunitx}
\begin{document}

\begin{tabular}{S[table-format=2.2]S[table-format=2.2]S[table-format=1.2]}
{Energy} & {Efficiency} & {Uncertainty} \\
14.14 & 10.41 & 3.82 \\
22.10 & 4.17 & 3.14 \\
30.97 &{\begin{tabular}{@{}S[table-format=2.2]@{}}1.31\\1.48\end{tabular}}& 3.08 \\
\end{tabular}

\end{document}
@JosephWright documented feature? ^^^
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
1:08 PM
@PauloCereda mpsyt for the win.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B yay!
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda I am just trying to figure out, which message should harrass you and why somebody wants you to feel that way.
@PauloCereda Ah, i know which one ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@Johannes_B Just star the 12 starred message and he will feel harassed
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle Oh no!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda s/12/13
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
1:12 PM
5 hours ago, by Faheem Mitha
@Johannes_B Dammit, I didn't scroll up.
Suddenly i know what it feels like.
@PauloCereda Is she a vim user?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B The pierced girl? I'll find out later on. :)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda I wish you luck.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Danke. :)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda concerning mpsyt: i couldn't figure out how to control the volume. It seems to be controlled by number-keys but ...
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B not number keys! Press repeatedly 0 or 9. :)
Just these two. :)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
1:17 PM
@PauloCereda there are a few pretty but noisy girls at the table next to me.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B quiet girls? :) Do they exist? :)
Sing this to them:
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda And now i was the loudest one around. smurf that was simple.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
I have a friend named Lydia. I always make fun of her with this song. :P
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda what are the chances that the seven girls next to me start dancing as well?
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Very high, according to High School Musical.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
1:22 PM
@PauloCereda I am scared that they run away instead of dancing. None of them wears a pritty dress, so the fun would be limited. I won't risk it :-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B No Olivia Newton John lookalike?
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
googling, please stand by
@PauloCereda No, cheerleader effect. 2 out of seven are pretty (for my taste).
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Oh no!
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
They just looked at me when i had a phone call.
 
egreg
egreg
@DavidCarlisle A student came in just when I was finishing my \detokenize answer. ;-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
1:33 PM
@egreg With a Word document? :)
 
topskip
topskip
1:43 PM
.@letexml And this is our team’s corporate hoodie (“We’re using LaTeX because we can.”) #Chess http://t.co/2ZbBwbcZjt
Tweeted by gimsieke on November 18, 2014 at 11:50 AM in reply to letexml
user image
3
»LaTeX is the path to the dark side. LaTeX leads to TeX. TeX leads to DVI. DVI leads to suffering.
— not Yoda.«
5
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@topskip wow!
 
percusse
percusse
1:59 PM
@topskip Hahahaha
@PauloCereda Online mode
 
Christoph
Christoph
saying that out loud with yoda's voice sounds quite convincing
spell checker marks "yoda". not good.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
 
nnunes
nnunes
2:16 PM
Afternoon all! Not sure if I'm on the right place but here it goes.

In his answer, a user has recently recommended the Bibulous engine as a replacement for BibTeX (see http://tex.stackexchange.com/q/212529/14497). It's the first time I've heard about it.

I'm wondering whether anyone here has an opinion, good, or bad, about Bibulous?
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@egreg it's still longer than mine (and I fixed mine for leading space)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@DavidCarlisle No :-)
@nnunes I see the idea, and I'm sure it works well for cases where a straight-forward description of the styles can be given. However, I worry that there is a reason it's necessary to use much more 'rich' styles in say biblatex: there are things that are difficult to express, and they require somewhat complex implementations.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda The ratio changed. 3 pretty girls out of 6 :-)
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
2:32 PM
@nnunes One issue for me is you are still tied to the idea that styles are part of some separate process rather than being addressable in the LaTeX file. That's a pain with BibTeX (where a minor change often needs an entirely new .bst) and seems to be the same issue for Bibulous.
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@JosephWright he should have stuck to dcolumn :-)
 
cgnieder
cgnieder
@PauloCereda :) the welcome gift when I subscribed to the Gitarre & Bass magazine
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
3:09 PM
@PauloCereda New table 3 pretty girls out of ... 3. 100 % success :-) ok, and three dudes.
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
I see Debian has a version, or snapshot of TeX Live 2014. Anything particularly exciting in it?
Judging from the changelog, not so much.
I thought Knuth promised a new TeX based on XML. Now, that would be something.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B Leave no evidences. :)
@FaheemMitha There's already FOP, so no news basically. :)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@FaheemMitha I think like all linux repro versions the advantage is not whats in the tex (which always lags texlive by a bit) but that the package dependencies are easier so things that depend on tex know you have tex installed without you having to install two, or reconfigure everything
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda no, texing is more important (in the afternoon).
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@Johannes_B :)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
3:19 PM
@FaheemMitha You should wait for iTeX bingeling ;-)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@PauloCereda 14...
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@DavidCarlisle That's true. At any rate, I've definitely drunk the packaging Kool-aid.
@Johannes_B Huh?
Oh, right, the pretend TeX.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle If it reaches 20, I'll do the interview.
8
:)
Hey who starred that?!
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
everyone star the above, so he doesn't forget
@PauloCereda I don't know
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
3:30 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
@PauloCereda 6 to go.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha I'll wait until 11PM today. :)
 
Faheem Mitha
Faheem Mitha
Ooh, a time limit. Exciting. We should have a pool.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@FaheemMitha :)
@AdamLiter: IT WAS YOU!!!!!!!
The counter was 14 before you entered! :)
 
percusse
percusse
@PauloCereda :)
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A: TeXtalk interviews

Paulo CeredaOur next interviewee: Paulo Cereda If we star the chat room message over 20 times (currently 15).

 
Adam Liter
Adam Liter
3:36 PM
@PauloCereda ... :P
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@percusse I wub you sir.
 
egreg
egreg
@PauloCereda I'll put “No M$” allowed on my office door.
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@egreg Pretty please. :)
 
percusse
percusse
Wow more than a year since the last interview
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
Chatroom Bookmark Blog post Marc van Dongen (Jan 22 at 14:09, 35 days total)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
3:43 PM
@percusse Wow.
@Johannes_B Marc had a problem with his computer, so the interview frame remained open. :)
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@PauloCereda The last interview was before i joined. (397 days, 366 consecutive)
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@percusse how come that has over 30 votes but only 16 stars here:-)
 
percusse
percusse
@DavidCarlisle Very old post
 
David Carlisle
David Carlisle
@percusse oh was it, I thought you'd just made it:-)
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
Oh no!
@Jake: it was the owl! The owl had the 16th vote!
@JosephWright: Yosemite's updated yesterday. Any updates on the TeX annoyances?
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
4:06 PM
@PauloCereda Not tried
 
nnunes
nnunes
@JosephWright Thanks for your thoughts on Bibulous :- )
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@nnunes No problem
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
Sign you have gone down a wrong path: you find yourself writing a LaTeX MWE in C.
 
Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright
@nnunes I've not yet had time to really look in detail at the sort of 'tricky' cases that biblatex was primarily written to handle, but I am a bit wary that a simple template approach will run into some issues there
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@AndrewCashner I didn't read the question completely and scrolled down to write a comment, my face showed pure confusion.
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
4:20 PM
@Johannes_B Sorry. Perhaps my brain was in a tangle.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
@AndrewCashner: @egreg gave an answer. And i am reading up on SplitArgument
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
@Johannes_B Wow, so am I
 
nnunes
nnunes
@JosephWright I understand. I still have a lot to learn about all things TeX so my reluctance to start using Bibulous straight away arose from the fact that I couldn't find it on CTAN.

I might place a bounty on my question, but before that I'll (finally) start reading the `biblatex`package documentation and try to find a solution or workaround for my case.
 
egreg
egreg
@Johannes_B Very nice feature!
 
Andrew Cashner
Andrew Cashner
@Johannes_B @egreg Indeed! The syntax of xparse looks so different at first that it's quite imposing, but now I see the power.
 
Johannes_B
Johannes_B
4:35 PM
@AndrewCashner My answer would have been using xparse as well, but a bit differently, not as fancy.
 
percusse
percusse
OK Who didn't star the message on the right?
 
ComFreek
ComFreek
I've just done it. Does 'the interview' refer to a TUG interview?
 
percusse
percusse
@ComFreek We do it here but also shows up there
 
Paulo Cereda
Paulo Cereda
@percusse: you know, I could star David's message. :P
 
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