I am searching maybe I can find it

Oh I found it, althou in Persian:

امام صادق عليه السلام فرمود: «در كتاب حضرت على عليه السلام است كه: يكى از پيامبران از قضاوت به خداوند شكوه كرد و گفت: چگونه درباره چيزى كه چشمم نديده و گوشم نشنيده، قضاوت و دادرسى كنم؟ خداوند فرمود: ميان مردمان، با دو شاهد عادل قضاوت كن و آنان را با اسم حق سوگند بده و حضرت فرمود: داوود عليه السلام گفت: پروردگارا، حق را آن‏گونه كه نزد توست به من نشان ده تا طبق آن حكم كنم. خداوند فرمود: تو توان آن را ندارى. داوود عليه السلام نزد خدا پافشارى كرد.

خداوند عز و جل به داوود عليه السلام وحى كرد كه: اين شاكى پدر اين فرد را كشته و مالش را گرفته است. داوود عليه السلام دستور داد تا شاكى كشته و مالش گرفته شود و آن را به كسى داد كه از او شكايت شده بود.

Let me translate it abbreviately:

@AlUmmatمجاهد can you translate these videos for me?

Imam Sadiq peace be upon him said that in the book of Imam Ali peace be upon him is written that a prophet cried to Allah how can I judge between people when my eyes have not seen the crime and my hears have not heard it? Allah said bring two trustful witness from people and make them swear to Allah that they will tell the truth. And David peace be upon him asked Allah to show him the truth the way it appears to Him for me to judge based on it. Allah said you can not bear that but David insisted

translate this too if you can

Then Allah inspired to him that this man has killed the father of this man and has robbed his wealth, David ordered the man to be killed and his wealth to be given to the other man.

Source: منابع فقه شيعه (ترجمه جامع أحاديث الشيعة)، ج‏30، ص: 149

@owari i am not sure but i dont think a prophetic vision is used in court

This is a Shia Hadeeth that explains those other Shia Ahadeeth that you bring on the table!

ah ty

Also the man who was the real murderer was the one who was also the complainant

@owari a lot of shia hadeeths are from jewish sources

i read that the leader who started the shia movement was a jewish convert to islam

and he thought the non jews jewish books and stories

@DhoweedYaAgov not from Jewish sources, but there can be similarities if both are from one God :D

@owari no because some meedrasheem are opinions of jewish sages and some are traditions from jewish sages to Mosha Rabbeinu

@DhoweedYaAgov that's what Sunni Muslims say about Shia Muslims, but we say almost the reverse as most of Sunni Ahadeeth are from Bu Huraireh who was a late convert from Jedaism

@owari and jews say both muslim sects took from jewish sources

and warped the idea to fit your needs

we can see high position leaders in islamic movements were jewish converts

@DhoweedYaAgov but are Ahadeeth are from Ahlul Bayt and the science of Hadeeth studies all the chain elements of the narrators and they are all well known, the one you are talking about is not among them

hadeeths regarding mohammed and hadeeths regarding jews are 2 different types of hadeeths

@DhoweedYaAgov No I cannot see, show me< which Imam of Shia was a Jew convert, they are all family of the holy prophet peace be upon him

but hadeeths which mention mohammed with jewish stories are very similar with jewish stories before mohammeds time

abdullah ibn saba is a convert i read

abdullah ibn salam is a convert i read

abu harairah is a convert i read

I have a book the last chapter of which contains a Hadeeth that narrates the holy prophet that Gabriel brought to him a letter containing the name of all the kings and etc. in the history and that book chapter has many details about the years and names and events, I doubt you can find many of them in your books

kings in arabic countries will most likely not be in jewish books because jews werent living in arabic countries at that time

most dealth with assyria and babylon and rome and greece

egypt too

@DhoweedYaAgov I guess this is what you think is the leader of Shia, but he was not, some even believe he is an imaginary person never existed! But I confess in Shia we have lots of weak Ahadeeth that are called Israiliyat and are suspected to be Jew-based, with the target to mix what is right and what is wrong in Islam and destroy its face. The scholars have determined lots of them and we are told only to read the strong Ahadeeth.

@owari oh so i was right

and i didnt even know that

what I brought here for you were not among them!

just from your version of the text you told me before

i can see you knew jewish books

even though you didnt read them

@DhoweedYaAgov which text?

bout Har Sinai hovering over the jews

and bout jews dying and being brought back to life

that is jewish hadeeth

question is how jewish hadeeth became shia hadeeth

so common sense says there had to be a jewish man who converted to put those jewish hadeeths into shia

or we can even say that the leader of shia was a jew

Telling the truth in history from a prophet is inevitably rewriting from the older history books and can never have its origin in inspiration?

its a problem because some jews dont accept those jews

they are just hadeeth

or we can say those specific Ahadeeth were right and Allah revealed them to his prophet independent of your books!

some jewish hadeeths might be opinion based some might be tradition

depends on the story

@owari most likely not for if Mohammed was a prophet jews would accept him. we can see that so many things in islam is jewish based and still jews didnt accept islam and mohammed

@DhoweedYaAgov I understand, but also mention that there is no must that a duplicated data has its root from the same source, it might be stated by Allah who knows all

so we can reasonably agree that mohammed according to jews was not a prophet and could not have had revelations from Allah. therefore a jew can only come to the conclusion that another jew brought in his history when he converted into islam

@DhoweedYaAgov Jews at the time knew he was a prophet, because he knew that decades before his birth, because they came to Arabiya to help him, but then they were arrogant and didn't accept him because he was not one of the Israelite but an Arab, a cousin not a brother

and implemented his jewish history into the religion of islam and made it look like mohammed had is revealed to him

@owari it common knowledge in jewish history that jews went everywhere they could when such news arrives to their ears

@DhoweedYaAgov maybe that's reasonable from a Jewish point of view but of course not from a Muslim point of view who believes the holy prophet was indeed a prophet!

because it is a commandment in jewish law to await the final prophet which is the MoshiahH/Mahdi.

Mahdi is not a prophet in Islamic view!

so they thought maybe mohammed was him, but when they saw that he was an arab and not a jew. they knew he couldnt be the mahdi because the mahdi can only be a jew

You are waiting for Jesus indeed, his time coincide with Imam Mahdi though. Jesus is from Israelite but Imam Mahdi is an Arab like his fathers. Then Jesus and Imam Mahdi will unite.

i do not wait for isa for he is no one important just another jew like me and my neighbors

if he was the real MoshiahH he would have fulfilled the prophecies of the jewish mahdi

but he didnt

According to Islam he is one of the five greatest prophets.

that is why jews dont believe in islam or mohammed

by reading jewish books one will see how christianity and islam spread and how theyr ideologies are based on jewish books

i can spot judaism in islam like i can spot a black dot on a white paper

because i know my own scripture and my own history and what my sages have written

@DhoweedYaAgov anyone who wants to decide either to believe in Islam or not can easily read Quran which is the miracle of the holy prophet peace be upon him and his family, Allah has given the good tiding in Quran that Himself will show the truth for anyone who is seeking for that.

it seeing it quoted in other books under different names is still easy to spot for me

@owari Allah revealed himself to everyone jews and non jews alike on Har Sinai

to mohammed it was through a gabrielle

in a cave

so the quran says.

and ontop of that mohammed confused satan with G-d's voice

jewish revelation is much higher and stronger than islam

No you are wrong, he was revealed in many different ways, both trough Gabriel, through dreams, and directly like Moses was revealed

no. not all arabs heard Allah's voice

and the quran was not given to everyone at the same time

@DhoweedYaAgov Oh that's wrong clearly, we do not believe in that.

like it was given to jews and Mosha Rabbeinu on Har Sinai

Quran itself is it's own reason, it is the Miracle, the proof for his prophecy

its much easier to see jewish stories in shia islam than sunni

but even in sunni there are a lot of jewish stories

just by learning the islamic calendar and comparing it to the jewish calendar you can see a jew made the islamic calendar

As you have already mentioned, you will not accept fro me as long as you have not accepted that the holy prophet of Islam was a massenger of Allah

all its holidays and such

@owari i dont accept mohammed or quran but i do read the islamic shia and sunni works

just so i can learn and make my judaism better by seeing it being truth

i am very happy that many people beling in Allah and Allah alone in todays time

but i am very sad to see that it is attached with hatred

@DhoweedYaAgov You will not accept Quran and therefore Islam if you do not read Quran with an open mind. Then a useless discussion we have here!

i do read it with an open mind. if i read it in a closed minded state like most muslims read it, i wouldnt be learning anything

because if you read it from an open minded jewish state you can see all the jewish sources and historical sources in the quran

and how arab folklore became revamped into holy writing

Also use Shia Ahadeeth for understanding the verses therein, seemingly you have access to some sources.

@DhoweedYaAgov they were Abraham's traditions deviated by generations until Islam came and restate their truth

i know for sure not

@DhoweedYaAgov you can see the similarities because Islam is the Religion that was revealed to Musa, Abraham and Issa, one religion for one humanity

@owari are you originally from iran, like your ancestors or are you are an immigrant to iran?

@DhoweedYaAgov and I know for sure yes! Abraham's tradition trough Ismael not Issac

@DhoweedYaAgov who knows, at least for some generations we were all here but before that I don't know

@owari are there iranian tribes like with other middle eastern countries?

at the south of Iran we have some Arab tribes, also some tribes still exist and travel between different regions when the weather get warm or cold, immigrating. At least one of my ancetors used to belong to one of these tribes

arabic tribes or persian tribes?

@owari are there people in iran who speak aramaic still?

@DhoweedYaAgov Iran has a variety of cultures under a unique name Iran, we have Arabs, Kurds, Turks, Lur and else

yes i know that is why i asked

are you persian/iranian or are you different type of group

@DhoweedYaAgov i doubt because there are some carvings that are in Aramic but no one can read them, as far as I know

@DhoweedYaAgov you mean myself?

@owari i saw a documentary once of a jewish historian who went to iran to read those carvings

and he read them and saw that they had jewish months like elul and such

@DhoweedYaAgov yes, many have tried that

and the older man who took pulled him over and said how can you read those writings, and he said because i am jewish, and he started crying and said then you are my brother

@DhoweedYaAgov I don't know if those specific carvings have been read or not but yes their months were moving in a year AFAIK

and he told him not to tell anyone he was jewish because the muslims didnt like jews there

the old man was crying saying the jewish man was his brother because he said that his ancestors wrote the same things

but he couldnt anymore because he didnt learn it

most likely this man was jewish in ancestory maybe not

@DhoweedYaAgov no that's wrong as I already told you. In Iran most of the people are Shia, some are Sunni and very little are Christians and Jews and Zerodasterian.

@owari there were many jews in persian who were forced to convert to islam

or themselves converted because of assimilation

you got evidence of nuder your nose look at prophet mordohHai and asteir

Those you very much like to visit their tombs, Murdekhay and ester, were Jewish but the kingdom was not as far as I know, they forced the king to do something for their own benefit and many Iranian people were killed as a result, so that these two persons are not known to be good ones, they are known as murderers, at least by many non Jews

yes persians hated them because they lost the war

mordohHai and asteir were uncle and niece

@DhoweedYaAgov there was no war indeed, they just fighted against the common people in villages, very much like we see now Jews do about the Palestinians

homon the right hand man of king achashweirosh took asteir(hadassah in hebrew) as a wife

@DhoweedYaAgov I know, Murdekhai encouraged the king to marry her

no the king married her out of all the other thousand of girls he took as a competition for a wife

washtee was his old wife he killed her

I have read about them very little in my leisure time, that's not something that I am interested in, but only necessary to understand the Jews better, the Zionism better indeed. They are very misterious and like to be mysterious, always being in hide, changing the game to their benefit although if many many sinless people are killed.

systematic thinking is among the primary specification of the Zionists, and that goal justifies the mean

the latter is completely wrong according to Islam

@owari because you hve not read magilloth asteir then you cant say anything.

@owari persians who never read listen to the ones who do and the ones who read it changed the story because they didnt like what happend

it showed the nature of the persians

in the talmud it says persians are very nice mannered, they would go inside and eat so that poor people wouldn ot smell the food and suffer more because the food was good smelling and they couldnt afford it

but it also says they are very violent

I am not any nationalist at all

i didnt say you wear

mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt3301.htm

i need to go now

ill be back later

I am not even sure if those ancient persians were my ancestor

@owari it was very nice talking to you i learned a lot today

Ok, and I shoud leave to work in a few hours so better to get sleep

@owari most likely not because the first sentence of the story of Aster says that the king had a huge empire

@DhoweedYaAgov thanks for your sharing as well :)

1 Now it came to pass in the days of Ahasuerus--this is Ahasuerus who reigned, from India even unto Ethiopia, over a hundred and seven and twenty provinces--

2 that in those days, when the king Ahasuerus sat on the throne of his kingdom, which was in Shushan the castle,

good night

goodnight