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4:01 PM
@JM I keep wondering who that JM is that people are always talking about :)
 
@tb Why, Jonas Meyer of course! ;)
 
Right, who else?
 
@tb Thanks.
That's the second stupid thing I wrote today.
 
My questions are boring dammit. I need to add some boobs.
 
: D
True, that always works.
@tb But why can't I use Urysohn?
 
4:05 PM
@MattN you can, but why would you? You have a metric to work with!
 
@tb To not just stupidly repeat after you whatever you tell me?
Also, that's one out of two theorems I saw in topology and never had a chance to use.
 
@ymar ... this is still math, no?
 
@JM they're more difficult to get.
 
@MattN okay, point taken. But in fact there's a very quick proof of Urysohn's lemma for metric spaces: given $A$ and $B$ disjoint, nonempty and closed, put $f(x) = \frac{d(x,A)}{d(x,B) + d(x,A)}$ to get an Urysohn function.
That's much simpler than the onion shell argument.
 
: )
 
4:11 PM
Boobies are great. I prefer tits, though. Probably because boobies are aquatic creatures and I live in the desert.
 
I always enjoy a shag too.
 
@tb Is this about the necessary or the sufficient direction?
 
I construct a nonzero function that is sent to zero.
 
@tb So my sufficient direction is ok?
Hey @Srivatsan : )
 
Hey @Sri.
 
4:17 PM
@MattN yes, it is :)
 
...and rather unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your persuasion) my time's up for today.
 
phew
 
Tietze for metric spaces: Let $A \subset X$ be a closed subset of a metric space and let $f: A \to [0,1]$ be a continuous function. Hausdorff has given the following formula for a Tietze extension $F$ of $f$: $$F(x) = \begin{cases} f(x), & \text{if } x \in A, \\ \inf{\left\{f(a) + \frac{d(x,a)}{d(x,A)} - 1\,:\,a \in A\right\}}, & \text{if } x \in X \smallsetminus A.\end{cases}$$ It is not hard to verify that $F$ is indeed continuous.
 
I should be able to fix all my personal kinks within the coming week. 'til then: toodles!
 
@JM good luck, J. M. see you soon! :)
 
4:19 PM
@JM See you! : )
 
@JM We hope to see you soon for tea!
Hooray for Futurama reference AND avatar reference at the same time!
 
@tb I see. It's broken, right? Because I can't necessarily find $f, f^\prime$ such that $f(y) \neq f^\prime (y) $ for a given $y$.
@JM That "phew" was ("obviously") not referring to this. : )
 
Hi Matt and JM
Hi tb, Asaf
Finally. I am a taxonomist now. :)
 
Congratulations!
 
Congrats : )
 
4:24 PM
@MattN Of course you can. If $f(y) = f'(y)$ then add something to $f'$ that is non-zero on $y$ (e.g. $d(\cdot, g(X))$ if $y \in Y \smallsetminus g(X)$).
The problem is that you don't say what functions you want, and you want that $f=f'$ on $g(X)$ to get a contradiction to injectivity.
Yes. You could take any old function that is zero on $g(X)$ and $1$ on $y \in Y \smallsetminus g(X)$ and add it to any function on $Y$ to get an $f'$.
 
hhh
How can I express $$\bar{F}=(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x\bar{i}+y\bar{j}+z\bar{k})$$ in polar coordinates? I have seen elementary cartesian-to-polar -conversions with $x=R\cos(\theta)$ and $y=R\sin(\theta)$ but how is it here?
Page 819 prob.1 here.
 
@tb No, I need the functions to be continuous.
 
any old continuous function.
 
: )
 
@hhh well, $x^2 + y^2 + z^2 = R^2$ and now take your favorite way of doing spherical coordinates in $\mathbb{R}^3$ to get expressions for $x,y,z$.
 
4:32 PM
I see. I thought you were saying I can use $\chi_{g(X)^c}$.
 
@MattN no, that you can only use if $g(X)$ is clopen :) (but shhh.... you can use Urysohn)
 
hhh
@tb expressions for $x,y,z$ in terms of $R$, $\bar{i},\bar{j},\bar{k}$ and $\bar{F}$?
 
@tb : )
 
hhh
yes but $R$ depends on $x$ etc...but it is constant so no need to worry about that...thinking.
 
Ok, thanks for now. I'm going to think about it again later today. For now I'm off keyboard for a little while.
 
4:34 PM
@hhh no, expressions for $x,y,z$ in terms of $R$ and two angles. See spherical coordinates
Or do I misunderstand what you mean by polar coordinates?
 
'Ello @Srivatsan.
 
Oh, hi Srivatsan! I forgot, too busy.
 
hhh
@tb but how can I know this formula will work here? Look the case could be of any geometry or? (verywell it looks like ball but anyway...to be sure)
 
I don't understand what you're asking, sorry.
 
Back to WiFi zone!
Rare visitors: Hi @Srivatsan @Dylan
 
4:45 PM
Hi folks.
 
Hi, Dylan
Hi, Kannappan
 
Umm, I've voted for your comment. All I could do.
 
Thanks, Gigili
 
You're very welcome.
 
@tb Did I tell you, I started morphing your template?
It's better than my previous template!
 
hhh
4:54 PM
@tb: how can I calculate nabla after the coordinates conversion? In cartesian, I had $\partial_{x}, \partial_{y}, \partial_{z}$ but now I have only $R, \theta, \alpha$ but $R$ is constant?!
 
yeah, you told me. Does it work for you?
 
Yes, I like it better than mine!
I will show when I have written a good number of pages!
 
hhh
@tb: actually found the solution on p.816, have to try to read this -- I wish this was in English somehwhere? Ideas?
 
@hhh better use the one on page 817.
See also (33) here
@KannappanSampath yes, please do. I'm off for a while, see you later, maybe.
 
@tb Sure, I will. Bye for now!
 
5:06 PM
hi Gigili
hi Kannappan
 
@Srivatsan When are you arriving at Bangalore, if I may ask?
 
5:22 PM
Oh I see you with your new avatar @WillHunting, I watched out but didn't work.
 
hhh
@tb What is that $\bar{F}_{R}$ there?
Suppose $$\bar{F}=R^3\left( \cos(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{i}+\sin(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{j}+\cos(\theta)\bar{k}\‌​right).$$
Suppose $$\bar{F}=R^3 ( \cos(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{i}+\sin(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{j}+\cos(\theta)\bar{k})‌​$$
@tb what is $\bar{F}_{R}$? Does it mean $\partial_{R} \bar{F}$?
(source 33 here)
 
5:40 PM
@hhh So $\vec{F}=|\vec{x}|^2\vec{x}$?
 
hhh
@robjohn Yes if you mean $\bar{F}=(x^2+y^2+z^2)(x\hat{i}+y\hat{j}+z\hat{k}):=|\bar{x}|^2\bar{x}$
 
@hhh which is exactly what I wrote :-)
 
Guys, I have a mathematical thesis I am writing. From your experience, should I have one huge tex file or chapterwise tex files?
 
hhh
I see now my err, I dumpily copi-pasted the formula without thinking...have do some mods...second.
the second last line is wrong, thinking...
 
I wonder if this "Proof" of the Gaussian Distribution means the same thing that I do here.
 
5:50 PM
@Nunoxic I find one file per chapter slightly easier to work with -- but that depends a lot of which kind of editor you're using. Some editors make it easier to work with many files than to work at many simultaneous points in a single file; others are the opposite.
 
hhh
removed
 
What is this standard deviation in Combinatorics?
 
leo
@Nunoxic I think is better to split your work in one file per chapter. You can create a master document with the preamble and all the global options that you want for your document, and you can call each chapter by using command \include{}
 
@hhh you are missing a right brace and a \left before a left paren: $\left(\hat{e}_{R}\partial_{R}+\frac{1}{R}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta}+ \frac{1}{R}\sin(\theta) \hat{e}_{\phi}\partial_{\phi}\right)\cdot\bar{F}$
 
hhh
$$\left(\hat{e}_{R}\partial_{R}+\frac{1}{R}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta}+ \frac{1}{R}\sin(\theta) \hat{e}_{\phi}\partial_{\phi}\right)\cdot\bar{F}$$

where

$$\bar{F}=R^3 ( \cos(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{i}+\sin(\phi)\sin(\theta)\bar{j}+\cos(\theta)\bar{k})‌​.$$

How can I calculate this with $\hat{i},\hat{j},\hat{k},\bar{R},\bar{\theta}, \bar{\phi}$?
 
5:56 PM
@hhh better :-)
 
hhh
@robjohn Thanks, yes that is correct now :)
 
leo
@Nunoxic Texmaker have a option to work in "Master Document" mode, so that if are working in a chapter and compile, Texmaker compile the master document
 
@KannappanSampath I was about to post a long request for clarification when I noticed who the OP was.
 
@HenningMakholm So, happy to have been of help to you, if it was I who brought that to your attention.
 
hhh
@robjohn The problem is that things such as $\hat{i}$ do not appear on the left-hand-side and I should do dot-product?! It will give zero?! Cannot, there must be something wrong -- ideas?
 
5:59 PM
@KannappanSampath Afraid I noticed it on my own, sorry.
 
@HenningMakholm :-) Never mind!
 
@hhh why would it give $0$?
 
@Will Amazing gravatar!
 
@HenningMakholm rain on his parade, why don't you ;-)
 
user19161
@KannappanSampath Why amazing! It's just a face.
 
leo
6:01 PM
@Nunoxic you can select only the chapters that you want to compile by using \includeonly{} command. His mandatory must be a comma-separated list of names of files that you want to compile
 
@WillHunting whose face is it?
 
@robjohn I'm just taking my frustration with Victor out on him. Nothing personal :-)
 
@WillHunting I thought it was you. : )
 
user19161
@KannappanSampath It is me indeed.
 
user19161
@robjohn Me. :-)
 
hhh
6:02 PM
@robjohn what else could they give? (assuming they are orthogonal basis but they are defined by the formulae here)
 
@WillHunting okay, wasn't sure. People put random pictures for gravatars. I, for example, am not orange ;-)
I am contending with a kitten who is convinced that the cursor on my screen is something to be caught :-)
 
hhh
@robjohn Is this $\hat{i}=\frac{\partial_{x}\bar{F}}{|\partial_{x}\bar{F}|}$ right? I need somehow to convert the $\hat{i}, \hat{j},\hat{k}$ in terms of something else, thinking...
 
@robjohn Good Luck! I am reminded of the same thing happening to Matt!
 
hhh
I should express $\hat{i}$ in terms of $\hat{R}$ apparrently?!
 
user19161
@robjohn I thought you had a dog! So there is a kitten and a dog?
 
hhh
6:10 PM
How can I express $\bar{x}$ in terms of angles and the radius?
 
@hhh Since $F=r^2(x,y,z)$ we get that $\partial_xF=2x(x,y,z)+r^2(1,0,0)=(3x^2+y^2+z^2,2xy,2xz)$
 
hhh
@robjohn Yes that is right.
 
Then $\partial_xF$ has some non $\hat{i}$ component.
 
@robjohn Almost everyone says that. why would one put random pictures and introduce them as themselves?
 
user19161
@Gigili I for one like Justin Bieber and Mariah Carey pics!
 
6:14 PM
@Gigili I don't know. I don't feel all that square, either :-p
 
hhh
@robjohn I am not sure what this infers -- so I can just multiple first rows $\hat{i}$ with $\hat{e}_{\theta}$? (without caring about specific basis...?! No cannot be like that...they must be of the same type?! Second, checking calcs...)
 
@hhh usually $\hat{i}=(1,0,0)$, right?
 
hhh
@robjohn Yes.
 
@robjohn :D I think you're more circle than square and more green than orange.
 
hhh
@robjohn but what is $\hat{e}_{R}$ or $\hat{e}_{\theta}$? They are not like $(1,0,0)$ or?
 
6:19 PM
So unless $x=0$ or both $y=0$ and $z=0$, $(3x^2+y^2+z^2,2xy,2xz)$ has non-$\hat{i}$ component
 
user19161
@Gigili Er, then you need to get glasses!
 
@hhh I am guessing that they are unit vectors in the direction of changing $R$, $\theta$, and $\phi$.
 
hhh
@robjohn yes they are but I have no idea how to do the dot product with them...
 
@hhh convert them to rectangular...
 
hhh
@robjohn ...sorry? How can I convert $\bar{x}$ not in terms of $\hat{i},\hat{j},\hat{k}$?
 
6:22 PM
No, I can see real appearance from a fake photo.
 
user19161
@Gigili Wow, you have supernatural powers too?
 
@hhh $\hat{e}_R=\frac{(x,y,z)}{r}$
 
Yes, I'm just wonderfully unique.
 
Can I ask a question on stackexchange where I provide a link for the picture, is there a way to attach a picture to my question?
 
hhh
@robjohn How did you deduce that? You divide each coordinate by the length of $R$?! One must be able to deduce that with partial derivatives somehow, thinking...
 
6:32 PM
if you want, you can
 
hhh
@robjohn by which formula?
 
$(x,y,z)=(r\cos(\theta)\cos(\phi),r\sin(\theta)\cos(\phi),r\sin(\phi))$
compute the partials of $x$, $y$, and $z$ with respect to $r$, $\theta$, and $\phi$
or you can do it geometrically
 
hhh
My book on page 815-616 just gives out some formulae, without further ado.

Geometrically?
 
Yes, the unit vectors in the directions of changing $r$, $\theta$, and $\phi$
 
@Kaeser Yes, there's a way.
In tools.
 
6:40 PM
@Gigil
oops, thanks @gigili
 
@Kaeser Sure thing.
 
hhh
@robjohn I moved it to a question here.
 
$$
\begin{align}
\hat{e}_R&=\frac{(x,y,z)}{r}\\
\hat{e}_\theta&=\frac{(-y,x,0)}{\sqrt{r^2-z^2}}\\
\hat{e}_\phi&=\frac{(-xz,-yz,r^2-z^2)}{r\sqrt{r^2-z^2}}
\end{align}
$$
Those were derived geometrically
 
hhh
@robjohn My imagination fails here, sorry...takes time to think this...
 
@hhh I have to go meet my wife for lunch. When I get back I will make some drawings.
 
hhh
6:55 PM
@robjohn Roger, have fun! I will work on this.
 
7:50 PM
@Gigili Hi, wanna play draw my thing?
 
@Skullpatrol Play me in Draw My Thing: omgpop.com/i/drawmything/1ggwue_12ydr1
 
@Gigili Ok sweetness, I'll meet you there yes?
 
hi can anyone help me with some differential equations?
 
@Skullpatrol Please stop talking to me like that.
 
@Gigili Ok Gigili, is that better?
 
8:01 PM
x*(dy/dx)+3y=500x^{7}ln(x)
find solutions satisfying y(1)=-1
im fairy sure i have the solution right but the online system tells me its wrong
My solution is:
((500/121)*x^11*(11ln(x)-1)+(379/121))/x^3
 
$x \times (dy/dx)+3y=500 x^{7} \ln x$
 
right sorry im fairly new to using latex here
 
Oh no problem, I'm just trying to see what the problem is.
 
@robjohn Would these be the Lipschitz functions on $[0, 1]$?
 
@tb But I don't want it to be an isomorphism. I'm happy if it's an isometry. : )
 
8:11 PM
@user979616 Could you please tell me how you came up with that solution?
 
sure. My thought is that the integrating factor would be e^int{3/x} so that becomes e^3(ln(x))
which is the same thing as x^3
then I multiply both sides by x^3 and integrate
 
Umm, I see. Let me try to understand something first.
A minute please.
 
@MattN there is ambiguity in language, I guess. Some people reserve "isometry" for a surjective isometric map while others don't. I would think that in view of 2. and 3. the surjective case looks more reasonable (else what's the difference between 3. and 4.?) Also, in 3. 2. of the new version, you want $f''|_{g(X)} = 0$ otherwise you don't get $T(f) = T(f')$.
At the very beginning of 1. you could add a word why $\|f \circ g\| \leq \|f\|$.
 
@tb Ah! The question you've linked me to. I thought a bit about it and I think those are the Lipschitz functions... Or would that be nonsense?
 
@Gigili I'm sorry :-(
 
8:16 PM
Man that "Vitali sets to solve CH" guy is giving quite the cranky impression...
 
tl;dr
 
I skipped the background and just read the "possible cases: Vitali set is finite; countably infinite; has at least $\aleph_1$ many elements", then wrote him an answer about those cases.
 
@AsafKaragila Hi
 
@JonasTeuwen I would have thought that it is $W^{1,1}$.
 
Yes, so did I at first thought...
 
8:19 PM
So you can just post "W" as an answer.
 
@AsafKaragila Can we start fresh?
 
@user979616 You mean :$ x^3 [x \times (dy/dx)+3y]=x^3[500 x^{7} \ln x]$ ?
 
But we can approximate Lipschitz functions uniformly using $C^\infty$ Lipschitz functions using the same constant.
 
@JonasTeuwen what's wrong with this: $C^1 \subset W^{1,1}$ and the closure of $C^{\infty}$ in $BV$ is $W^{1,1}$.
 
I don't get why you would do that.
 
8:21 PM
Hmm, nothing I guess. So I wonder where I did get wrong.
 
Do you have time to help @user979616, @tb?
 
Scribbled two lines. Let's see, probably in the "obvious" steps 8-).
 
just because its the integrating factor.
 
@JonasTeuwen I'm an eejit: I'm thinking of the $W^{1,1}$ norm... :/
 
8:23 PM
@JonasTeuwen How are people reacting to your new hair color?
 
Sometimes I wish there was a way to downvote comments...
 
@Skullpatrol ? Very good.
 
Again Hausdorff distance? What's going on?
@Gigili not right now, sorry.
 
Jonas, you traitor. You switched your chat account link to the mathematica.SE site!
 
@AsafKaragila Did I? How did I do that?
 
8:25 PM
@JonasTeuwen Is the question mark part of their reaction?
 
@Skullpatrol Apparently.
 
@JonasTeuwen I guess you went to the chat profile page and changed the linked account.
 
@AsafKaragila Must have been an accident. It is fixed.
 
E-xcellent. </Mr. Burns>
 
@JonasTeuwen Have you considered mixing in another color?
Like blonde streaks...
 
8:28 PM
@JonasTeuwen that's right. So, the only question is whether the Lipschitz functions are complete wrt the BV norm, right?
 
Yes.
I should add that.
 
Add that where?
 
That $f(1)=-1$ just help to find C, right @user979616?
 
@tb To the answer.
I have quickly typed something.
 
@Gigili Please don't be mad with me.
 
8:30 PM
right
 
@JonasTeuwen oh, I see. :)
 
thats exactly what its for
 
So let's do it together.
What's the variable of integration? $y$?
 
well my notes say that if it can be written in the form dy/dx+P(x)=Q(x) then an integrating factor is e^int(P(x))
so to get it in the right form I divided every term by x
 
@tb BTW thanks for the good advice, just before my suspension.
 
8:37 PM
that is: dy/dx+3y/x=500x^6ln(x)
 
@user979616 Yes, that's what I did as well
Right
 
I think I made a slight math error at the next step and thats why i didnt get it right but anyhow ill continue
that term 3y/x is that same as 3/x*y which puts it in the right form
 
I didn't get the integration factor part, by the way
 
It seems to be a technique for solving these when they arent seperable
its just a technique for solving these differential equations
so anyway i e^int(3/x)
 
Okay, $\frac{3}{x} \times y$ .. what now?
Right
 
8:41 PM
well e^ of the integral of (3/x) leaves u with e^3ln(x) which ends up being the same thing as x^3
 
@DavidWallace Hi, Is New Zealand part of the "down under?"
 
and then you have to multiply both sides of the equation by that integrating factor and integrate both sides. I think this is where the tactic comes in handy because on the left your just left with y*x^3=int(500x^6ln(x))
or sorry i meant to say the integral of x^3(500x^6 ln(x)
then u integrate that leaving the C behind on the right and then solve for it using the conditions present in the problem
and then solve for y
 
@Skullpatrol, yes, of course.
 
@DavidWallace What I'm asking is would a New Zealander be offended if I said to him "So you come from the land down under?"
 
I just made a mistake somewhere. I think i see it now but i wanted someone to verify the answer because i only have 1 attempt left at this
 
8:46 PM
@user979616 I was looking up through the transcript to find the original question, so that I might help you. I failed, but if you want to post again, I'll try to help you.
 
It seems okay so far, I'm afraid I can't help you find the error by following your solution like that
 
@Skullpatrol - "from down under" is OK - this includes Australia and New Zealand. However "the land down under" usually just means Australia. New Zealanders get offended when people mistake them for Australians.
 
47 mins ago, by user979616
x*(dy/dx)+3y=500x^{7}ln(x)
 
@Gigilli thanks
 
@DavidWallace Thanks, that is exactly what I meant.
 
8:49 PM
@DavidWallace the question is: solve $x \frac{dy}{dx} + 3y = 500 x^7 \ln{x}$ with $y(1) = -1$.
 
@DavidWallace How about the islands down under?
 
right
 
Skully - I've never heard that expression; it seems weird to me.
 
@t.b. yes
 
@tb Why did I add this?
 
8:52 PM
Interesting... OP gets linked to a counterexample to his question and edits his question to say: I know it is true in 1 dimension.
 
I fixed what i think i did wrong and now I get the answer as being (5 x^10 (-1+10 log(x))+4)/x^3
but I just wanted to make sure this was right
 
You wrote "my notes say that if it can be written in the form dy/dx+P(x)=Q(x) ..." - which one of those x's is supposed to be a y?
 
@MattN Sorry, I don't follow.
 
sorry theres supposed to be a y next to the P(x)
 
@tb Why did you tell me to add $\|T(f)\| \leq \|f\|$ to the answer?
 
8:54 PM
So P(x)y ?
 
right
 
@tb I see. To make it more obvious why $\|T\|=1$ means that it's bounded.
 
So when you x through and integrate both sides, you get $x^3y=\int 500x^9 \ln x dx$, which ought to be straightforward.
 
@MattN I find what you write rather confusing. You should first argue why $\|T(f)\| \leq \|f\|$ (you just claim that so far) and then argue that the constant functions show that $\|T\| = 1$
 
but probably isn't.
 
8:57 PM
I think it is and that im doing it right but the first time I did it i had a 500*x^10 by mistake instead of to the 9
 
@DavidWallace Since the opposite of "down under" is "up over," do you know what would be the land up over? Russia maybe?
 
But given that this is my last attempt and the problem i wanted someone to verify my solution
 
Whoa, I was wondering what that "int" is in your notation without dollar signs. I guessed maybe it's "integer" or what.
 
its integral
 
Yes, just realized.
 
9:00 PM
integral is an adjective meaning integer
 
@tb But... how else can I argue that $\|T(f)\| \leq \|f\|$ if not by using the definition of operator norm, $\|T\| = \sup \frac{\|T(f)\|}{\|f\|}$?
 
Skully - it's just an idiom. Don't try to impose a structure that isn't there.
 
@DavidWallace Sorry, bad habit (trying to impose structure).
 
Then use integration by substitution with $u = \ln x$.
 
@MattN Since $g(X) \subset Y$ you have $$\|T(f)\|_{C(X)} = \sup_{x \in X} |f(g(x))| = \sup_{y \in g(X)}|f(y)| \leq \sup_{y \in Y} |f(y)| = \|f\|_{C(Y)}.$$
So $\|T(f)\|_{C(X)} \leq \|f\|_{C(Y)}$ and hence $\|T\| \leq 1$.
 
9:06 PM
@tb Ok. And why can't I first compute $\|T\| = 1$ and then use the other definition of operator norm to get the same?
 
This (together with continuity) also shows that equality $\|T(f)\| = \|f\|$ holds for all $f$ if and only if $g(X)$ is dense (hence all of $Y$ by compactness).
@MattN I don't understand the computation.
 
I've got $C=4$ @user979616.
 
right thats what i got too
and then solving for y
what did u get?
 
Wait
 
@tb I suppose you're saying what I wrote doesn't make any sense?
 
9:08 PM
@MattN Apart from showing that $\|T(1)\| = 1$ you just assert that $\|T\| \leq 1$ and conclude from that that $\|T(f)\| \leq \|f\|$.
 
@tb Indeed. T_T
@tb Thanks for your patience.
This question is good.
I wish we could've had questions like this as homework.
 
Yes, it is a good exercise. By the way: you're close to ten edits (which turns your answer automatically to Community Wiki mode), so either post a new answer or flag for mod attention to undo the CW mode if you want to earn some points for the hard work.
 
@tb Of course I won't post this. As if I was going to collect credits for your work! : D
 
I see.
 
$y = 5 x^7 (10 \log x -1) + 4$
 
9:14 PM
Okay, now I'm wondering... Are the Lipschitz functions even complete in the BV norm? 8-).
 
@AsafKaragila Take it easy on the f word.
 
@MattN why not? It would be fine with me and it would be to the benefit to more than just you if you were to undelete it.
 
k ill submit that
 
@tb True. So it's two birds with one stone: it's CW so I won't get false credits for your work. : )
 
actually hold up a sec where did u get the 5x^7 from
i get 5x^10
oh nevermind u just took out the x^3
 
9:19 PM
Yes
 
@Gigili Are you still mad at me?
 
The nice thing about nasty DEs is that it's comparatively easy to check whether you've got it right at the end.
 
idk why but it told me I was wrong again
 
@user979616 Just asking the question on the main site would be less time-consuming thing you can do to figure out what you've done wrong
 
hhh
Why is this wrong?

$ (\hat{e}_{r}\partial_{r}
+
\frac{1}{r}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta})
\cdot
(\hat{e}_{r}\partial_{r}
+
\frac{1}{r}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta})

=\partial_{r}\partial_{r}+\frac{1}{r^2}\partial_{\theta}\partial_{\theta}$
 
9:22 PM
Sorry for the wrong answer =\
@Skullpatrol: No, I am not.
(Just leave me alone please)
 
hhh
Moved the q here.
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Q: Explain Dot product with Partial derivatives in Polar-coordinates

hhhRelated to page 819 prob 4 in this book. I calculated wrongly: $$(\hat{e}_{r}\partial_{r} + \frac{1}{r}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta}) \cdot (\hat{e}_{r}\partial_{r} + \frac{1}{r}\hat{e}_{\theta}\partial_{\theta}) =\partial_{r}\partial_{r}+\frac{1}{r^2}\partial_{\theta}\parti...

 
oh shoot I get it
u cant just do that because it doesnt mutiply into the 4
the right answer is 5*x^10 blah blah blah/x^3
 
Ahhhh, wow
Silly mistakes.
Don't you have any chance to submit the answer again?
 
Hi all of you and bye all of you. Wanted to wish you all night!
 
Bye Kannappan, good night!
 
9:37 PM
@KannappanSampath Good night, Kannappan!
 
I should be going, too. See you all tomorrow!
 
@tb Good night, sleep well. And thanks for doing this exercise with me, I enjoyed that.
 
Sleep well @tb.
 
Did you buy a hat in the end?
 
@JonasTeuwen Nope. $1/\log(x)$ would be in the closure, but not in any Hölder class.
 
9:42 PM
Unfortunately not.
 
@tb Ah, now I can return ;-)
 
@robjohn Hmm... That can explain why I fail to prove that $\text{Lip}[0,1]$ is complete in that norm 8-).
Then maybe the space is $W^{1, 1}$.
 
You could have one of mine, but I doubt whether it would suit you :-)
 
Big or small?
 
My head is quite big.
 
9:45 PM
@robjohn Hmm, how will that function by in the space?
 
@JonasTeuwen A Sobolev space?
 
@robjohn Yes.
It is like a bad Sobolev norm.
So it is $W^{1, 1}$ minus something.
 
But I meant "suit" as in "be appropriate for", not as in "fit".
 
@JonasTeuwen I think the norms are equivalent.
 
@robjohn Yes, that might be true.
I think so too.
But then we must "equivalize" $|f(0)|$ and $\|f\|_{L^1}$ 8-).
Or the whole norm rather, as this will clearly not work.
 
9:50 PM
Oh I see, so neither it suits nor fits. How disappointing.
I'll buy one by next weekends, otherwise I'll die of being bored.
It wasn't me, I talk about mathematics all the time. =|
 
I didn't know hats were a cure for boredom.
I wish I could do something to make you less bored.
 
So nice of you, thank you.
 
@robjohn Clearly the BV norm is dominated by the Sobolev norm.
 
I was thinking about our conversation yesterday, about the phrase "what a cute baby gigili migili", or whatever it was. I remembered that my son, at a very young age, coined the word gigili in an extremely similar context. I had completely forgotten until this morning.
 
Really? I thought I was the first one.
 
9:59 PM
So there's this baby tickling thing that they do in former Yugoslavia. You walk your fingers up the baby's arm and tickle their armpit. But the accompanying words are "Ide bubamara, nema gdje da spava, traži krevetić. Gili gili gić."
 

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