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1:00 PM
@JM !
 
@MattN Uhum.
Sorry I was AFK.
 
Np : )
 
@Skullpatrol Okay.
 
@Gigili How do we start?
 
@AsafKaragila please take a look at the deletion tab in the tools.
 
1:02 PM
@Skullpatrol Now? Let's play when Matt has free time as well as us.
 
@tb I check it regularly several times a day, but let's make a special trip to the deletion store right now!
 
@Gigili Sure, so I just click on the link and meet you there?
 
@tb Well, I voted on everything except that one thing which just got deleted. :-)
 
@AsafKaragila Oi, 'grats on the "Generalist". How'd that go?
 
@JM Long and arduous! :-D
 
1:05 PM
@AsafKaragila did you see what got deleted about an hour ago?
 
@JM Not only that I am now a Koenig and General, I am also a specialist in real-analysis!
@tb Oh!! Bless the gods of beer!
 
@AsafKaragila What did t.b. have to say about that? :)
 
@Skullpatrol Yes, that's how it works.
 
@JM What do you mean?
 
@Gigili Ok see you there 3, 2, 1 go
 
1:09 PM
@AsafKaragila About your new... uhurm, specialization...
 
@JM Well, it was robjohn which gave that last vote for the badge... :-P
 
That link's expired, I'll post a new one when blabla.
 
Thanks to the inventors of antihistamines. And of paracetamol. Bye headache and bye itchy nose. Hello sleepiness.
 
XD
 
@MattN I usually thank those godly men which brewed the first beer.
 
1:12 PM
I know the feeling
 
@MattN There are these nonsedating antihistamines now, y'know...
 
@AsafKaragila I know that.
 
(unless you actually want the sleepiness.)
 
@JM Been there done that. The prescription free ones don't work on me and the one that apparently works (my vet friend told me) is not over the counter. So I'll just stick to Zyrtec.
@JM No I have enough of that already even without taking any pills.
 
@MattN You have a vet friend?
 
1:14 PM
@AsafKaragila Yes do you need to deworm yourself?
2
 
@JM I'll probably have to say something when the specialization becomes silver or golden... :)
 
@MattN Hmm... so Claritin doesn't work on you? Hmm...
@AsafKaragila They've quit using PCP years ago. The ketamine, well...
 
@JM Yep. Didn't have any effect at all.
 
:3947563 ...and the barbiturates are pretty much confined to euthanasia purposes nowadays.
 
:3947563 I'll have to disappoint you. She wouldn't abuse her powers. : )
 
1:17 PM
@JM Yes. I know that.
 
@tb Did you see my apology?
 
@MattN no. Here?
 
@tb Yes.
:3947563 But I could send you some glue to sniff...
 
@MattN Might be cheaper and less obvious to send him felt-tip pens. :)
 
@JM Ah, good idea. : D
 
1:19 PM
(t.b., what was the brand you were using a while back? :D)
 
What the...? : D
 
I am going to get something food worthy.
 
@AsafKaragila Well I don't know about that, I haven't tried any of the "hard stuff".
 
@MattN Oh, sorry I missed it so far. Thank you! I know that I was being harsh and I intended to be but I certainly didn't mean to spoil an entire day... But given that I had to spend a beautiful sunny afternoon in the trunk in the corner, I guess we are even :/
@JM presumably :)
 
Oh well.
 
1:22 PM
@MattN Nonono... t.b. wasn't deliberately inhaling them... ;)
 
: D
 
Play me in Draw My Thing: omgpop.com/i/drawmything/1gdsgl
 
I think we should try with a puppy again.
I miss our puppy : /
Hi @KannappanSampath.
 
@MattN: By the way: Eric's answer to that question is just an abstract version of Martin's answer, appealing to a general theorem. The proof is essentially the same.
 
@KannappanSampath Hi
 
1:28 PM
Hi @MattN @Skull
 
@KannappanSampath Not so private now that you told everyone about that.
 
@tb And the third answer seems like lazy blah blah. I'd asked for a full proof. Had to resist the temptation to write an attitude loaded comment.
 
Okay. Time to get back to the Texmaker.
I have to finish this crapiola for tomorrow.
 
@MattN What happened to your puppy?
 
@MattN It's not; it's by far the best answer... Martin's answer is fully subsumed by it.
 
1:34 PM
What question are we talking about?
 
@JonasTeuwen We gave her away. The cats didn't like her and she was hard work.
@tb I'm the OP! : ) It doesn't answer my question.
 
Oh, better than the other alternative.
 
@JonasTeuwen This one.
 
@BenjaminLim Strong equivalence? What?
To me Banach spaces are equivalent if their norms are equivalent :-/.
 
Heh. 5k!
 
1:38 PM
You're welcome.
 
Oh, ok: Thanks Asaf. : )
 
@MattN In my opinion it does more than satisfactorily so. You didn't ask for full details...
 
Congratulations @Matt
 
8-)!
 
@tb I did, actually. When I ask a question I always ask for every single detail to be spelled out. Even if I don't explicitly say so every time.
 
1:41 PM
@MattN this strikes me as silly.
 
@tb It is. But it's also serious.
 
I think we are unnecessarily heatiing ourselves up!
 
@MattN It's a wonder that I was actually helpful in any reasonable way when you studied set theory! :-D
 
What no, I'm just being silly : )
@AsafKaragila In chat it's different. I'm talking about questions posted on SE.
 
@MattN Well, I did answer one or two of your questions on main.
 
1:43 PM
@tb Did you heat yourself up?
@AsafKaragila I don't remember. : )
 
I think @tb would be glad to heat himself in that Swiss cold.
 
It is blistering hot here.
 
Same here.
 
18°C
I'm really melting.
 
We have what some of you would call a blistering summer heat: 24 C.
 
1:49 PM
@AsafKaragila True. But the last one is actually not answered. : )
 
Holy crap 24°C.
 
@MattN Yeah, I'm still not sure what the question is.
 
@AsafKaragila Pfft. It's 29 here. :P
 
@JM Well, soon it'll be 40 here.
 
@AsafKaragila Ah, desert weather... :D
 
1:50 PM
@AsafKaragila Sure, just blame it on the OP. : )
Actually not sure I can use the same language Asaf uses on us on Asaf.
 
@JM Yeah, although in recent years the pollution made the city into a urban heat whatchamccallit. It's not as humid as around the coast area but still a lot worse than a few years ago.
@MattN Why not?
@MattN Why not?
 
@MattN If he can dish it, he can take it. ;)
 
@JM The question is, can Matt dish it?
 
@AsafKaragila You'll find out soon enough, jerkwad.
 
@MattN The correct answer was "You'll find out soon enough, jerk." :-D
 
1:55 PM
@MattN Up a notch. High five! ;)
 
@JM High five! : )
@AsafKaragila Better, you twit?
 
Asaf may have to make use of "The Bin" ^
 
@MattN You mean twat, no?
 
@AsafKaragila But you don't have one of those...
 
@AsafKaragila No, I meant what I wrote. : )
 
1:57 PM
(unless you're keeping a secret from us)
 
@AsafKaragila My vocabulary is too large for you. PWN'd. : )
 
@JM No, I am a sausage and beans kind of human.
yesterday, by David Wallace
If any of my friends compared me, in public, to a handful of semen, I'd be somewhat upset. Clearly, Jonas is more tolerant than I.
 
Yes. And?
 
@tb I flagged it already, but I also voted.
 
1:59 PM
Done.
 
@MattN You need 20k to hit that.
 
@AsafKaragila I thought he meant to flag it as not an answer . /
 
Also, just as we deleted it there was a mod active clearing out flags... so in retrospect I could have gained another helpful flag.
 
Deleted now... :)
 
How many of those do you have fellow assassins?
 
2:01 PM
499. : )
 
@AsafKaragila I think this is automatic if closing or deletion happens.
 
@tb No, it is marked as "none" and I'm not sure if it's even counted.
 
@Skullpatrol My froggy avatar liked you too. I don't know what else I can say in reply to it.
 
@AsafKaragila well, the system is clever when it comes to detection of people gaming the system :)
 
2:05 PM
No.
 
@Skullpatrol I did and you are actively asking for such things.
5
Just leave Asaf alone then he'll leave you alone.
 
@MattN Errrrr...
 
@Gigili Just teasin'. Don't worry. : )
 
:D
just teasing, JUST.
 
@Skullpatrol Can you please stop asking trivialities to particular people, rather than to the room? (I was once accused of this,not for asking trivialities though, but now, I guess I am not a defaulting bug!)
 
2:09 PM
How is that for formatted links?
 
@tb You didn't heat yourself up about that, did you? I should've added ": )" after each of my last messages.
 
@MattN no I didn't.
 
@MattN I called Scullytroll a whiny little bitch, in hope he'll either grow a pair or leave. Apparently it didn't work.
@Skullpatrol You know what the word "reasonable judgment" mean?
 
Why don't you just ignore each other?
 
2:11 PM
It means that I can decide for my own which links are to be formatted (questions, wikipedia links, youtube links) and which don't (chat log links)
 
Okay, I'm off for a bit.
 
13 messages moved to The Bin
1 message moved to The Bin
 
: D
 
Everything you say will be moved to that trash bin of a room. Okay? Are we good? Good. Now go away.
1 message moved to The Bin
 
"Bin" - the loony kind?
 
2:13 PM
@AsafKaragila I'll flag one of this abc's for moderator, because this is annoying me!
 
Hello, everybody.
 
Hi ymar!
 
Hi @ymar
 
Are we studying the alphabet?
 
@Skullpatrol: I know where your problem come from, We have a word for this which I don't know in English. It's like CD-ROM read head sticks while reading a CD or something. I mean it gets on nerves if it takes a long time and we would turn it off.
 
2:15 PM
Finally something I'm good at!
 
Hmph, Skull is troubling us with his trivialities yet again...
 
This isn't "my" room, but feck if it doesn't bother me...
 
braces
 
@badp: I'm on it. ;)
 
2:16 PM
@JM Like shit on flies or like toast on butter?
 
I'm just pokin' around
 
@badp We had an user trolling the room. What do we do?
Serious request
 
@KannappanSampath What you've done - ask mods to step in
 
@AsafKaragila Like fleas on a dog. ;)
In any event, that's two or so hours of peace and quiet. Enjoy.
 
@badp Whenever we do he starts screaming "No no no no!!!!! I am innooocceeesnntntssjkh Asaf is crazy egotripping and needs to be removed!!1111"
@JM I think you got the direction backwards buddy. :-D
 
2:19 PM
@AsafKaragila I certainly don't like seeing threats from you to abuse the message migration tool.
(Not that there is an intended use of the message migration tool, mind you. It's just there for when you need it. I'm not sure "muting users" was what was in mind.)
 
But that was not a threat IMO.
 
@JM I think this is a storm in a teapot...
 
Anyway: cool heads, people.
 
@badp Yeah, that is a last resort. I already asked GraceNote to find a reasonable way to let room owners enforce some of the chat rules that were almost unanimously agreed upon.
 
@AsafKaragila I do realize room ownership does offer very little tools to steer rooms. I've been there.
 
2:20 PM
@MattN Then I certainly have a most appropriate Gravatar... ;)
 
@JM It was a pun on your avatar : )
 
@badp Yeah, so I am waiting for GraceNote to return with some ideas or answers. Hopefully, soon. I don't like abusing this hole in the system either.
 
We have had him troll us since eternity...
 
Oh well, I'll also abuse my stars clearing powers and remove stars from my message in your general direction, because I totally see where you're coming from.
because two wrongs don't make a right but three rights make a left. Or something
:P
 
@badp As long it's not me who do that. Because then I am an "incompetent despot"...
 
2:23 PM
@badp Nono, three rights is a political party. ;P
 
@JM Like a third party?
 
@AsafKaragila Yeah, I figured I'd mention it was me who cleared the stars before somebody claimed it was you
 
Thanks, I guess. :-)
 
I think the message migration tool is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.
 
I don't want to have to use my powers here in this room, but if need be...
 
2:24 PM
@MattN If you'd said a chocolate coffeepot it would have been nicer.
 
@ymar : D
 
@ymar Holy cow!!!!!
 
@JM Will I have to stop punning on your teapot? : )
 
Yeah, I do know every page on the internet. :)
 
2:25 PM
Let me back after dinner for good.
 
@JM Is your avatar a chocolate teapot (on acid)?
 
@ymar Which reminds me...
 
@MattN I'm still laughing, so you're safe so far... *whistles*
 
@MattN Yes?
 
@AsafKaragila Nah, acid is way more colorful... but you've given me an idea. ;)
 
2:27 PM
@ymar ...of this.
 
@JM I hope it involves risks taking!
 
Not sure why anyone would post this story on the internet in the first place but I'm also not sure why anyone would post it on SE.
 
@MattN Bwahhahha
:-D
 
That is obviously a fake story. "fleshlight" gives it all away.
 
I like that someone drew an ASCII pig below.
 
2:32 PM
@ymar I didn't read it all. It didn't amuse me. : )
 
It was the funniest thing I've seen in a while. :)
 
@MattN: the first paragraph of 2. in your deleted answer misses the point. There need not be any injective functions on $X$ (take $X = S^1$, for example). The point is that if $g$ is not injective, say $g(x_1) = g(x_2)$ then all functions in the image of $T$ must take the same values at $x_1$, $x_2$, but not all functions on $X$ have that property (e.g. f(x) = d(x_1,x)$).
 
@tb You're too quick. I'm still working on that answer. I just did an intermediate save.
I guess now I won't have to ask you to have a look at it once I'm finished : )
@tb Thank you.
 
@MattN yeah, but that part was already there way earlier :)
 
@tb I'm not saying I would've noticed myself. But I would've re-read the answer before you look at it. Oh well : )
 
2:36 PM
@MattN blame it on my curiosity... :s
 
Hi!
What's the name for metric spaces, where bounded sets are precompact?
 
@tb If you're curious I can ping you once I'm done. Would you like that?
 
Right. I should return to my Whitehead notes...
I should have about two hours without drama here...
 
@savick01 if you add completeness, they are called proper (or spaces with the Heine-Borel property). I don't think there is a name for those spaces without completeness
@MattN No, it's fine. I'll see it anyway, thanks.
 
Staring at SE seems like a time-consuming thing to do. But ok : )
 
2:46 PM
@tb thanks. Wiki says that I even don't need completeness.
 
@savick01 Do you mean precompact in the sense of compact closure or in the sense of compact completion? (I understood the latter for which $\mathbb{Q}$ would be an example of a space with that property that isn't locally compact).
I haven't ever heard somebody call $\mathbb{Q}$ proper.
 
@tb By precompact I mean that the closure is compact. So the first.
 
Okay, then completeness is automatic and those spaces are indeed called proper.
 
Oh snap, I just noticed that I wrote my 500 answer!
 
The reason for that terminology is that the metric function $d(x,\cdot): X \to [0,\infty)$ is a proper map.
 
2:54 PM
I see.
 
@AsafKaragila exactly 2/3 of what's needed...
 
@tb So about a 100 more than me.
 
@AsafKaragila So about 68 more than me.
 
Now I must return to pure closures and $(B,\mathbb Z)$-groups.
 
3:01 PM
This is the major hump I have to finish, the rest is cakewalk.
@tb Not that pure! :-)
Do you think that 1+1=2 guy will ever come back and accept my answer?
 
forget it :)
 
But I'm closing in on a Guru badge!
 
@tb Yeah, I remember.
I am closing on three Guru candidates. One is a sham, but two of them I worked really hard on the answer.
 
I only have two more candidates, one is decent, the other one was a fluke, too.
@AsafKaragila btw. congrats for overtaking me on MO :)
 
3:17 PM
@tb Thanks for the two votes. We're equal now, aren't we?
 
@AsafKaragila you got one point more than me. Should I downvote you somewhere? :P
 
Hehe... that would cause me to drop below you.
What's nice now is that my entire user page on MO is 10+ questions.
 
2801 -1 = 2802 -2, no?
 
@tb Oh right. Basic arithmetics! :-)
 
Hmm, I haven't checked the user list lately. The rep gaps between most people on the first page are quite wide...
 
3:21 PM
@JM I'm closing in on you, buddy! :-)
 
@AsafKaragila So I noticed... keep hoping for more blockbuster set theory questions. ;P
 
@JM I think that I am one of the luckiest in that aspect, by the way. I write answers in a relatively esoteric field but I get a lot of votes (read: >5) on those.
 
I used to be at the head of a huge cluster (frontpagewise), but now it's more comfortable, at least after Robert will have overtaken me.
 
I wonder if Andre will overtake Bill.
 
I think so, but it will take a while.
 
3:25 PM
Before the 65k mark for Andre?
Err...
 
I told you before: stick to infinite cardinals :)
 
I wonder when Arturo is gonna get to $\aleph_0$...
 
@AsafKaragila The day that happens will be a most interesting day...
 
I wonder who will be the next legend. Qiaochu or Andre or somebody else?
 
@JM The day of rapture!
 
3:31 PM
Me.
 
3:42 PM
@AsafKaragila I think it's just that it's easy to come up with a natural set theory question that's difficult to answer without proper knowledge. And people like learning what the answers are but don't want to learn enough set theory to be able to answer them themselves.
That's why I upvote your answers at least. :)
 
Oh, hi @JM, welcome back.
 
Hi Henning. :) Though, not yet officially; I need to disappear for a few days after this.
 
Just made a very stupid mistake.
 
(I should be regularly hanging around again in a week or so)
 
@HenningMakholm Hello : )
 
3:47 PM
Who will say 'ello to people who enters the room now that Skull left.
 
Hi @Matt.
 
We need to hire someone.
 
I think Watman is my least favourite user on SE.
 
How you say that in German? Kein lieblingsuser?
 
Not sure how to say that in German.
Some words come to mind but I don't want to get flagged.
 
3:50 PM
@MattN Who? Wat?
 
@HenningMakholm DP
 
You won't get flagged if not get starred.
 
@Gigili den ich am wenigsten mag or something like that.
 
Yes, it doesn't stand for "Deep Purple". Also, Asaf enlightened me the other day about what this can also stand for. Thank you, Asaf.
 
@tb Aw, isn't there a word like lieblingsuser?
 
3:52 PM
@Gigili there is (or at least it would be an understandable neologism), but I can't think of a way to negate that without sounding clumsy
 
But DP is exactly my stereotypical mathematician.
@tb Yep. Do you have a minute to talk about the operator thingie answer?
 
@MattN Bah, I've been away for a while. I don't quite recognize those initials...
 
@JM Didier. The Watman. And my least favourite user. I don't like arrogant people. And he comes across as quite an arrogant prick. In fact, I think arrogance is a manifestation of stupidity.
 
@JM 40k+
 
@tb Uhum, thank you.
 
3:54 PM
@ymar Hah. That is a good reasoning.
 
@MattN Ah, well... "Gallic charm". ;)
 
@MattN no need for Urysohn and you prove that it is necessary and sufficient, so it is the only necessary condition among those given.
 
(On that note, if people had started to use AM to denote our top user, I'd still be quite confused...)
 
And I don't quite understand your argument in point 3. The idea is that $g(X)$ is compact, so you have a point in $y \in Y \setminus g(X)$. Now consider the zero function and $d(g(X),\cdot)$ which is nonzero because $d(g(X),y) \gt 0$.
If you want $T$ to be an isometric isomorphism, then it follows that $g$ is a homeomorphism and conversely. (in fact, every isometric isomorphism comes from a homeomorphism by a theorem of Banach and Stone).
 

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