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10:00 PM
ah, no wait, I mixed it up
but I now agree the other direction is easier
 
First of all, you're saying I don't need a ball centered at $y$? There's also a question of how large $\epsilon$ is, since $d'<1$.
 
yes, ok, my last comment didn't make much sense, I definitely need an open ball around $y$
 
Is several variables complex analysis useful for algebraic geometry @TedShifrin ?
 
That's too vague a question, Karim. Both fields are quite broad in scope.
 
I see
I mean does it help to know complex analysis in several variables
for algebraic geometry ?
 
10:03 PM
But most people who do algebraic geometry in arbitrary characteristic (hence very algebraically) probably don't know any several complex variables.
You just asked the same question twice.
 
Uhm, so $B_{d'}(x,\varepsilon)$ is the whole space if $\epsilon\ge 1$
 
I'm a big believer in knowing lots of stuff, but not all students can do that.
Right, @Alessandro.
 
I believe in that as well @TedShifrin
you see very different connections
 
For example, Karim, if you look at Griffiths/Harris, you'll see that they do a certain amount of basic several complex variables, but not that much.
 
I see
 
10:07 PM
BTW, @Alessandro, you should settle once and for all the question: Can I choose the balls to both be centered at $x$?
 
intuitively I'd say no, because I need an open ball around every point of my open set, but I know not to trust my intuition so I'll think about it for a moment
 
Hi @TedShifrin!
 
heya @Danu
@Alessandro: But if you prove it for arbitrary $x$ ... ?
 
@MikeMiller Sounds quite fast overall :P
@TedShifrin Are you interested to hear about the topics Kotschick suggested as far as topology goes?
 
If you want ...
 
10:12 PM
(he'll suggest a few more complex geometry related ones later)
 
Remember I'm totally not a topologist.
 
@TedShifrin Yeah, sure I do :)
I'll do reverse-order since everybody seems to be more excited about the last option :P
So that was doing something based on a paper by Thurston, namely this one on "slithering" (something combining foliations and fibrations). It's low-dimensional topology type-stuff
The second option was something related a little bit to complex geometry---he said it was essentially about exploring the consequences of some formula for the so-called $\chi_y$-genus, using a general version of Hirzebruch-Riemann-Roch. Based on this paper
The first one was looking at this paper, and perhaps trying to prove (at least a special case of) the main theorem by more "elementary" methods, in particular avoiding something like a Atiyah-Singer index type thing
 
Start reading Hirzebruch's book Topological Methods in Algebraic Geometry :)
 
@TedShifrin Yeah, stuff related to that signature formula n such (the second topic)
 
It's hard for you to learn so much algebraic geometry and so much analysis in such a short amount of time.
I have a hard time gauging what a masters' thesis should be (if it's one year) ... in the US it doesn't require original work the way a Ph.D. does.
 
10:19 PM
It certainly doesn't require much original work here, either
Something small, but you know something like a small extension or variation
 
OK ... I would encourage you to be able to do some examples in your thesis ... whatever it is you do.
 
Other than that I think there are no strict requirements... But of course it'd be awesome to do someting cool and original :P
But I'm not really counting on it
 
ok, I now think I can choose the same $x$. I don't need to find a ball around $y$, since I'm proving it for arbitrary $x$ and $\epsilon$ I'm also proving it for a ball centered in $y$ and small enough that $B_d(y,\epsilon ')\subseteq B_d(x,\epsilon)$, so the ball with respect to $d'$ contained in $B_d(y,\epsilon ')$ is also contained in $B_d(x,\epsilon)$
 
@Danu: I haven't looked carefully, but offhand I like your last = "first" one :)
 
Me, too :P Might be because he gave the most in-depth/concrete explanations though
Anyways, he'll suggest more topics still in a few weeks
 
10:23 PM
I didn't look that far, @Danu. I just like the flavor from a cursory glance at the first page.
OK, @Alessandro, so we can keep the balls centered at the same point.
 
Mike didn't see anything interesting on either side of the statement of the main theorem ;)
 
Now, given $\epsilon>0$, can you find $\epsilon'$ so that $B_{d'}(x,\epsilon')\subset B_d(x,\epsilon)$ and $\epsilon'$ so that $B_d(x,\epsilon')\subset B_{d'}(x,\epsilon)$?
 
ok, the other direction should then be done since $B_d(x,\epsilon)\subseteq B_{d'}(x,\epsilon)$ for every $x$ and $\epsilon$
 
@TedShifrin In response to this, I mentioned also to Kotschick that I'm not really anywhere near familiar with things I need to deal with e.g. Atiyah-Singer, and he didn't seem to mind much. He basically said I wouldn't need to understand the full proof to still be able to get the statement and use it
 
He's right
OK, @Alessandro. That one's right :)
 
10:28 PM
@TedShifrin Anyways, I'll try to have a look at the papers in the coming two weeks... I really need to push myself even more to work
 
Yup, no slacking now.
 
Speaking of which, I'm finally almost done with chapter 2 of Huybrechts
 
By the way, I assume you saw the connection with the Euler vector field I mentioned.
 
And the first section of chapter 3 seemed "trivial" in comparison to what I'm doing now---I read through it and didn't see many hard statements except maybe the Kaehler identities
 
I admit I don't have an intuitive understanding of the various Kähler identities.
 
10:30 PM
@TedShifrin Eh, yeah---I didn't really think in terms of explicit expressions for the vector fields involved but after I finished the proof I looked around more on the internet and found an MO thread that discusses exactly what you said
@TedShifrin I'm wondering how physicists interpret them!
 
I actually wrote a MSE thing on the Euler sequence, too. .... The Euler vector field moves you along the lines through the origin (the rulings of the cones I keep mentioning).
 
...since it's "well-known" that you need Calabi-Yau (and in particular Kaehler) to get supersymmetry in the effective 4d theory coming from superstring theory in 10d
there has to be some interpretation
@TedShifrin I think I saw that too, though I didn't spend as much time looking at that thread.
 
of the list of identities? I dunno
 
it is cool what your writing about @Danu
I want to study those things 1 day
 
@Adeek Thanks... but what things? :P
@TedShifrin Sure
 
10:32 PM
$\epsilon'<\frac{\epsilon}{1+\epsilon}$ or something similar should do the trick, high school algebra is hard at half past midnight
 
In my wildest dreams I see the position-momentum uncertainty relation ;D just kidding, of course
 
super symmetry and calabi yu manifolds.
 
Not quite, I don't think, @Alessandro, but you get the idea.
 
@Danu I attended a talk about super symmetry was nice understood some stuff
but it was above my head
 
I don't understand much of supersymmetry
 
10:35 PM
I would like to understand it one day
and mirror symmetry
 
Yeah, Huybrechts is actually someone working on that (from the math side)
 
I think I do, that was the first exercise in which I had to prove that $2$ topologies are the same, but I have a few more similar to this one, I think I should be able to do them on my own, tomorrow though! For now thanks a lot for your help @Ted and good night!
 
So reading his book would be a good way to get into that
 
Night, @Alessandro. Always a pleasure to see you :)
 
cool
I would like to do post doc in germany
after my phd
 
10:39 PM
Hey @TedShifrin, Kotschick said today that a pullback bundle is something like a "[insert word I forgot] product" because you can define as $\{(x,v)\in M\times V\mid f(x)=\pi(v)\}$ where $f:M\to N$ and $V$ is a bundle over $N$ with projection $\pi$
 
@Adeek that's generally when post docs happen
 
fibered product
 
@0celo7 :P
 
He said the formula $f(x)=\pi(v)$ is why he called it that---any idea what he was on about?
@TedShifrin Right!!
 
It's a special case of a more general construction.
Don't worry about it now :)
 
10:40 PM
oh, doi
my life is a special case
 
You'll learn it eventually to learn about various associated bundles (like building different vector bundles from a principal bundle and a representation of the group)
 
I froze my calculator trying to plot something. Crap
 
@TedShifrin I know those already
 
Oh, well, those are fibered products.
 
I mean, the principal bundle ones
@TedShifrin Oooookay:P
Wait, a pullback of a trivial bundle is trivial, right? Because by the above definition, you just get a product again, right?
 
10:45 PM
Sure, pullback of trivial bundle is always trivial. Sometimes pullback of non-trivial is also trivial :)
 
Yeah, pullback shouldn't spoil isomorphism
@TedShifrin Right... Pullback preserves isomorphism but doesn't preserve non-isomorphism, I guess?
 
Very few things preserve non-isomorphism :)
 
Wait, that'd be a "perfect" invariant
So like dimension on finite-dimensional vector spaces ^^
 
Now I'm losted.
 
@TedShifrin If you have a functor that distinguishes non-isomorphic objects, then the result of applying uniquely determines your object, i.e. it's a "perfect" invariant.
 
10:50 PM
Oh, I see. But that's just contrapositive of isomorphism preserving the invariant.
 
No, it's not :P
 
It's not?
 
The contrapositive is: [different invariant] -> [different object]
I'm saying that in this case [different object] -> [different invariant]
 
oh
OK
 
much stronger
Too strong to be useful, usually :P
Except dimension for finite-dimensional vector spaces :D
Do you know any more (tractable/succinct) invariants like that? That detect "everything" in a certain category?
 
10:56 PM
@Danu Fundamental group determines connected abelian Lie groups completely?
 
Aren't those all tori? Don't need fundamental group, then
 
Yeah, there are analogues for finitely generated abelian groups.
 
Tori times $\Bbb R^n$
Oh
Dimension + fundamental group
 
Right, complex forces tori
I read this fact in Huybrechts, but didn't prove it :)
 
@Danu Check the physics chat.
 
10:59 PM
@TedShifrin Right, the copies of $\Bbb Z$ and $\Bbb Z_n$'s
 
11:25 PM
hi chat
@Danu about the most i understand re: susy is the basic algebraic aspects, e.g. supercharges etc.
susy field theories, on the other hand? nooope
 
@Semiclassical Exam isn't for like 3 weeks, no clue how I messed up the date that much
 
well, that's good
 
@Semiclassical Field theories are the only real theories :D
 
is it? means a lot more material
 
hrm, that's true @0celo7
 
11:27 PM
WKB, path integrals, maybe angular momentum
 
@danu pffft
 
if I have to do Clebsch-Gordan on the spot I might die
 
lol
typically, if they're going to have any problems with clebsch-gordan, they'd give you that page-long collection of tables for various j1,j2
but hey, it's just tensor products :P
 
I'm not an algebraist
 
tbh, addition of angular momentum really is a pain
i mean, certain parts of it are easy enough. but computing actual matrix elements is tedious
the labor of writing everything out doesn't help
this is the set of tables i had in mind, btw: pdg.lbl.gov/2011/reviews/rpp2011-rev-clebsch-gordan-coefs.pdf
(if i'm honest, i have no idea what those $d$ functions are supposed to be)
 
11:34 PM
Wigner 3j symbol stuff?
 
is that in regards to what the $d$ function are supposed to be? if so, i don't think so
 
I'm just guessing
Ok gotta do homework
bye
 
later
 

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