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These days algebra and operator theory
 
Ok, then do almost complex.
 
But you mean $\Bbb CP^{2n}$ as a topological manifold, or are you including orientation in what's specified?
 
That includes orientation.
 
OK.
 
just finished my physics class last friday got 95 in it :D
advanced classical mechanics
 
4:00 PM
Operator theory... I have seen books on it but don't know what it talks about@karim
 
Connected sum of orientable manifolds needs orientation data to define it.
 
I am doing specifically C* algebra which connects topology and algebra together
operators are just mapping from a vector space to another one
your vector space doesn't have to be finite dimension
 
P^2 + P^2 is not P^2 + (-P^2) topologically
 
So one of the few ways I know how to recognize a complex manifold is that intersection numbers (of distinct submanifolds) must be nonnegative, @MikeM. Can that work?
 
@Ted: Of complex submanifolds! We can't say anything for just submanifolds.
 
4:02 PM
Yes, yes, I meant complex submanifolds.
 
Okay so it talks about operators on function spaces ? @karim
 
yeah that is one of the spaces
for example
 
I guess topological connect sum is just too flabby for such a prospect.
 
And how do you say which submanifolds should be complex when you just have a manifold?
 
we can prove all commutative C* algebra is isomorphic to $C_0$
 
4:03 PM
Well, I wanted to take (holomorphic) $\Bbb P^1$'s inside the original $\Bbb P^2$'s.
 
I don't know what half of the notations there mean
 
ah, I see. But remember that I'm messing with the holomorphic structures.
 
Yeah, I know. :(
 
C* algebra are important
 
It should not be hard to prove that you can't do this if the holomorphic structure restricts to the standard ones on both sides of the connected sum
 
4:05 PM
So there are bundle-theoretic ways of talking about the spaces of almost complex structures, but I have no idea where those get us.
 
Some algebraic topological considerations might do it I guess.
 
I have vague memories of uniqueness of complex structures on certain $\Bbb CP^n$ (obviously, $n=1$, but even $n=2$, I think).
I remember figuring out a proof when I was reading Hirzebruch or something ...
 
@Karim I don't know much functional analysis (actually none except basic ideas about measures and few more stuff which is not the real functional analysis stuff). Though I like the idea of functional analysis
 
Sounds believable.
 
I guess the problem is that there's no natural $\Bbb CP^2$ sitting inside $\#^2$.
 
4:07 PM
Symplectic structure on P^2 is unique up diffeomorphism and changing the volume.
 
I wish learning/knowledge were cumulative without loss :P
 
I am going to try to prove the P^4 case. It's all obstruction theory...
 
Also I like the idea of a topological vector space. Very fascinating @karim
 
OK, @MikeM; keep me posted :)
Oh, and please warn Eric, Alex, et al. that I wanna try to meet them ... if we can schedule lunch or drinks or something ...
 
I don't think they drink. Lunch should work.
 
4:14 PM
What's the world coming to? :D
 
Watched Seventh Seal (Bergman) last night. Absolutely beautiful.
 
Ah, I saw that many a century ago.
 
Finally got a monthly membership with the local (good) movie rental store. Should be watching a lot more quality film now.
Was going to watch Lost Highway (Lynch) but we mistakenly grabbed one that was dubbed in German and only had German subtitles.
 
Ah, don't know that one.
 
They let you check out 4 movies at a time with no late fees. It's a good deal. Our other two were Fellini, Satyricon; Herzog, Fitzcarraldo.
 
4:28 PM
Nice ... I certainly saw Satyricon. I have watched zillions of French movies (for obvious reasons).
OK, I'm heading out to collect framed artwork. Happy obstructions!
 
See ya.
(Fellini was Italian!)
 
hey @Rememberme sorry I had to go for breakfast
you should do functional analysis its fun
its mix of linear algebra and analysis
all you need to know in analysis is until continuity
to start studying functional analysis
 
5:18 PM
Found this.
 
5:46 PM
I want to ask a question about group ring
group rings
 
@PVAL: Can you tell me something about higher-dimensional complex geometry?
 
A manifold M admits an almost complex structure iff the principal GL(n,\Bbb R) bundle associated to the frame bundle of TM admits a reduction to a GL(n,\Bbb C). All the classical homological and homotopical obstructions come from this. IIRC, for any dimension $c_1=w_1$ mod 2 and $c_1$ must be a class which satisfies an integral "Wu formula". In \Bbb C-dim 2 that is a complete obstruction,but I do not know what the relations are in higher dimensions or what other obstructions exist.
 
Hey I have a question for $\mathbb{R}Q_8$ how come 1 + (-1) isn't zero in the group ring $\mathbb{R}Q_8$
isn't addition is defined component wise
?
 
Yes, and -1 is not in the same component as 1.
Remember that the elements of the quaternion group are $(\pm 1), \pm i, \pm j, \pm q$. $1$ and $-1$ denote distinct elements of the quaternion group.
@PVAL: Do you know what the higher-dimensional Wu formula is? In 2 dimensions it takes the form $c_1^2 = 2\chi + 3\sigma$.
 
ohh ohh I see because we have to have same component
ok ok
yeah I guess one can say they are the basis
so that is why they can't add up to zero in the group ring
since if $g_1$ denotes 1 and $g_2$ denotes -1 so they have different component so that is why they don't add up to zero
ok good thank you @MikeMiller
 
5:56 PM
Heya \o
 
@MikeMiller No, I imagine they got quite complicated in very high real dimensions (I don't think I've seen the real version ($\Bbb Z/2$) written out for real dimension higher than 4). You assume there exist some Wu-classes which satisfy something to do with squaring the sw-classes and see what that implies.
 
Embarrassed myself in class today..professor was calling on random people to answer questions and everyone answered theirs except me
 
@MikeMiller Here is the 3-fold case mathoverflow.net/questions/63439/…
 
6:12 PM
Ahhh but the smallest case I care about is 4-fold. Maybe I'll try to derive it later.
 
Well this somehow I guess reduces to computing the homotopy groups of $S0(2n)/U(n)$. I don't think I want to compute the homotopy $SO(8)/U(4)$.
 
@PVAL: For the case we care about $X = \Bbb{CP}^4 \# \Bbb{CP}^4$. So all cohomology is in even degrees. So we only care about the odd homotopy groups. One can show by hand (+ bott periodicity) that $\pi_1, \pi_3, \pi_5$ are zero.
So the obstruction must live in $H^8(X;\pi_7(SO(8)/U(4))$.
I have absolutely no idea how I would want to calculate the obstruction.
I assure you I don't want to start by building an AC structure on the 7-skeleton...
 
sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0040938370900315 There's the 4-fold version. It is quite more complicated.
Or maybe just a little more complicated.
 
Ok, it should not be too hard to use that to show that $X$ does not support an almost complex structure. I'll do it when I get to my office.
Since it's fairly easy to calculate the cohomology ring of $X$.
Oh, I guess I would have to calculate the pontryagin classes. That would probably be hard.
 
6:46 PM
@MikeMiller Ah. So that idea was on the right track? I thought I was just being fancy.
 
@BalarkaSen: No, I think I was wrong. I misremembered an exercise I had done.
 
hrm.
well, it's obvious that you can cover an affine variety by open subsets of an affine space. take the variety itself!!
 
The variety is not an open subset of affine space.
As Milne does the way you should model an algebraic variety in full generality is as something with charts that are isomorphic to algebraic subsets, and transition maps that are regular. The "open subset of affine space" thing is probably unnatural.
Not sure if you can actually do it. You can for the one case I checked. This is not particularly good enough.
 
oh, oops.
yeah, your complex geometric analogy makes sense.
 
@MikeMiller $w_2(CP^4)=1$ and $w_6(CP^4)=0$ So by naturality $w_2(P^4#P^4)=(1,1)$ and $w_6(P^4#P^4)=(0,0)$, so $u=(x,y)$ both odd $v=(z,w)$ both even. The Euler characteristic is 18=2 mod 4, and clearly $u.v=0 $ mod 4. Which contradicts part c of the paper I linked.
Assuming I did not make a mistake in computing the binomial coeff or $\Chi$/
 
6:54 PM
I just did the same calculation, but I disagree with your Euler characteristic. I think $\chi(X) = 16$.
 
@MikeMiller but that's bad news. I wanted to cover $V$ by open sets isomorphic to $\Bbb A^n$, so that you choose a finite subclass $\{U_i\}$ by compactness, and you build the map $V \to \Bbb A^n$ by gluing all the isomorphisms $U_i \to \Bbb A^n$. This map is clearly surjective, and has finite fibers, as the class is finite.
That's how I wanted to realize $V$ as a branched cover of $\Bbb A^n$
 
It seems unlikely that most things would branch over affine space
 
I thought so too. But I just got back a reply from the commutative algebraist, who said it's actually on the right track.
 
How do you do $\frac{(x+h)^2-3x-(x^2-3x)}{h}$
 
I dunno, though.
 
6:56 PM
@MikeMiller Youre right its 16. Guess you need to use the higher obstruction.
 
I got 2x but thats wrong
 
Oops
 
@Maximilian you probably just missed a factor or something
 
I went on to $\frac{(x^2+2xh+h^2)-3x-x^2+3x}{h}$
cross out the 3x and $x^2$
factor out the h, cross them out. 2x+h, h=0 = 2x
Teacher says its 6x-3
 
@MikeMiller Do the cohomology isomorphisms for the connect sum coming from Mayer-Vietoris respect the direct sum structure? I probably used that while computing (read guess) the sw-classes.
 
7:01 PM
I could have written it down wrong but the other 2 were fine. Its $f(x)=x^2-3x$ plugged in to $\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}$
 
@PVAL: Yah. The cohomology ring of $M \# N$ is the direct sum of the cohomology rings of $M$ and $N$, except that you identify the units and the volume forms
 
@Maximilian you plugged it in wrong
 
@Maximilian Shouldn't it be $\dfrac{[(x + h)^2 - 3(x + h)] - [x^2 - 3x]}{h}$ instead of what your wrote?
 
@MikeMiller But do the SW-classes get pullbacked under these isos? That's what I was unsure about.
 
oooohhhhh
The second X got me
 
7:03 PM
RIP
 
Thanks @balarkasen
 
@BalarkaSen I embarrassed myself in the first algebra class of the semester
 
no problem, @Maximilian
 
@PVAL: Oh, probably? I just calculated the steenrod squares hence the Wu classes hence the Stiefel-Whitney classes
I now feel uncomfortable about saying "SW class"
 
@morphic I saw. What did the professor ask you?
 
7:04 PM
@BalarkaSen The order of a general linear group
 
We could settle this if we know what the Pontryagin classes were but I don't think I've computed one of those in my life.
 
@morphic Were you expected to answer this off the top of your head?
If so, that's a pretty unfair question.
 
@BalarkaSen She gave me some time but I just said I didn't know
@BalarkaSen Everyone else seemed to know it considering how they all said the answer immediately afterwards
 
I don't recall it off the top of my head. I'd have to do the combinatorics.
 
It was obvious after the fact but I kind of feel bad I couldn't perform the calculation easily on the spot
 
7:07 PM
Got a close answer, but still not correct. I got 2x-3? So I'm missing a *3 to 2xh?
 
Why didn't you do the computation? Try something before you totally give it up.
 
@BalarkaSen I forgot what a non-singular matrix was supposed to look like
 
@MikeMiller Milnor-Stasheff does it for CP^n. I don't know a formula for connected sum. Hopefully its just the splitting from Mayer-Viet.
 
The $(i+1)$-th column must not be in the span of the first $i$ columns.
 
@MikeMiller In that case $p_1=(5,5)$ and $p_2=(10,10)$.
 
7:12 PM
@Maximilian 2x - 3 is exactly correct.
 
Oh, guess my teacher put the wrong answer
Threw me off. ok, thanks again :)
 
@Maximilian What was your teacher's answer?
 
@PVAL: Can we think about this in terms of maps into BSO(8)? We know what the map is when restricted to each half. By cellular approximation I think that tells us that p_1 splits as (5,5).
But p_2 isn't going to be as easy probably.
What were the last obstructions again @PVAL? I don't have the paper up
 
$8\Chi(M)=4p_2+8u.v-u^4+2u^2.p_1-p_1^2$
@MikeMiller
 
@PVAL: If we can calculate $p_1$ correctly the Hirzebruch signature formula gives us $p_2$. But I think it's not $(5,5)$ because then the Hirzebruch formula would make $p_2$ not an integer.
@PVAL: Mevermind. It all works fine. The formula gives $p_2=20$.
@PVAL: OK putting it all together and taking the last equation mod 2 gives a contradiction. I will write this all up later.
Or not. I need paper.
 
7:30 PM
@MikeMiller I just picked up a couple of pads at the student store yesterday...
 
I left mine at home. I thought I wouldn't need them on the bus...
More importantly no pens, or I'd just write on the person next to me.
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ack. It's nonobvious how to glue the morphisms $\{U_i \to \Bbb A^n\}$ to get a regular map $V \to \Bbb A^n$.
I was being too optimistic.
 
This is standard.
 
? The isomorphisms $U_i \to \Bbb A^n$ can have wildly different images for each $i$. How can you guarantee it to be continuous by making $U_i \to \Bbb A^n$ and $U_j \to \Bbb A^n$ to agree on the intersection $U_i \cap U_j$?
 
I was referring to your optimism.
 
7:44 PM
ah. i don't know what you mean by standardness in that context. :P
@Rememberme That's right. Btw, you should right vectors as $(a_1, \cdots, a_n)$ instead of as $\{\cdots\}$. Vectors are ordered, while sets are unordered.
@Rememberme Right, so you want informations about extension of $B$ by $A$. Not a lot can be said, we have discussed this before. That is, it's an open problem to classify all groups that sits in '?', where $A \to ? \to B$ is exact. Maybe you forgot or didn't pay attention when I told you this.
Btw, you should not think about the set of all extensions of $B$ by $A$. Rather, you should think about the equivalence class of all extensions of $B$ by $A$, where the equivalence between two short exact sequences $N \to G \to H$ and $N \to G' \to H$ is defined to be a large commutative diagram with rows being the two sequences and with maps in the middle are identity for $N$ and $G$ and an isomorphism for the middle groups.
(I am not being very explicit about the equivalence relation here, mostly because I am being lazy about drawing a commutative diagram, ask me if you are curious about it)
Anyway, what I mean is roughly that you want to think about extensions of $B$ by $A$ modulo isomorphism of the middle group (isomorphism in a way that is coherent with respect to the arrows in the short exact sequence). That said, we know the cardinality of this group.
 
Greg Kuperberg has posted a paper describing how to algorithmically solve the 3-manifold homeomorphism problem.
@PaulP, @Balarka: Guess I'm not writing a blog post on that.
 
ooh, that's nice.
 
It should be a good read.
 
I should send that one to my prof. (Kuperberg and prof shares the same adviser, and in fact they know each other)
 
8:00 PM
If he's a geometric topologist, he'll probably see this.
As mentioned in the article, this is not an original result. It's just the first time someone's written it down.
 
ah, I see.
(he is a part geometric topologist, sure, although mostly he's onto geometric group theory)
 
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Chris's sis the artistHow would we prove this result by real methods ? $$\int_0^{\infty } \frac{\sin \left(\pi x^2\right)}{x+2} \, dx=\frac{1}{4} \left(\pi-2 \pi C\left(2 \sqrt{2}\right)-2 \pi S\left(2 \sqrt{2}\right)+2 \text{Si}(4 \pi ) \right)$$ As you can easily see, Fresnel integrals are involved. What are yo...

 
Probablu encompassed in geometric topology. My interpretation of that phrase is very broad.
 
yeah, I have heard a lot of geometric group theory is not only motivated by geometric topology but also uses it frequently.
you never wrote your next blogpost on why the h-cobordism theorem holds, @MikeMiller. although I guess you are busy.
 
Yeah, I'm not feeling it. The Wikipedia article on it gives you most of the tools.
When I write something new it won't be that.
 
8:11 PM
aw, ok. have you planned what you are going to write the next post about?
 
@balarkasen their answer was 6x+3
But a few of his answers are wrong, which makes it hard because if I can't do it and I can't trust the answer then I'm all confused
 
clearly wrong, assuming the function was x^2 - 3x, not 3x^2 + 3x?
 
I have other things to do before I have time to write something else.
If you want to understand h-cobordism, first understand handlebody diagrams and handle moves. Gompf-Stipsicz, Kirby Calculus and 4-manifolds, is a good place to learn this. Then read the proof on wikipedia. In precisely one step you'll need to know a certain version of the Whitney embedding theorem, which is where the dimensional constraint appears.
 
x^2-3x is correct
so ya, wrong answer by teacher again.
 
@MikeMiller Thanks, I'll check it out!
 
8:21 PM
one thing at a time... I would suggest writing that down in a notebook as a thing to do in the future
probably not an afternoon project
 
that's what I do, yeah.
 
ok. probably took me about a month to get comfortable with handlebody diagrams and moves.
 
I have several things written down in my notebook, including "read the HoTT book"
 
lol
 
8:25 PM
Quick question on vocabulary: given y=f(x), we say y depends on x. I'm looking for a verb in the blank: x ___ y
x "affects" y?
 
"gets mapped to"?
 
@Rigor how might we explain the fact that on a site with a lot of mathematicians I don't receive an answer for this question math.stackexchange.com/questions/1412761/…? I've been looking forward to it for 4 hours.
Maybe teacher @anon can outline a proof, the brilliant idea that produces a solution.
@Rigor my guess is that there should be a very fast way and simple at the same time.
 
seeing a sine with a rational function, especially with pi*x^2 inside the sine, my first instinct would of course be to use complex methods. I'm not experienced with using real methods on many nontextbook integrals.
not sure why you're pinging me anyway, as I haven't exactly been known for that stuff for a few years
 
@anon It seemed to me that a while ago, not too far, you had some opinions on a book about integrals by Paul Nahin, and then I realized that you might be very good in this area.
 
can't you see she's being sarcastic?
 
8:37 PM
@BalarkaSen I'm not.
 
@Chris'ssistheartist I defended the introduction about being condescending or not, that's not the same as knowing anything about the whole book
 
@anon That's OK. I also was inclined to believe you're very good in this area.
@BalarkaSen how are you doing, btw?
 
i'm fine. how about you?
@Chris'ssistheartist ok, then I stand corrected. I just had that impression from your statements. My bad.
 
@BalarkaSen Amazingly creative (in the same area you already know about), thanks.
 
yeah, have seen you around talking about a lot of hard integrals.
 
8:42 PM
@SamuelYusim Yes that could work.
 
Indeed, I attended a lot of difficult integrals during the last days.
 
@PVAL: Posted an answer persuant to our previous conversation. This is the wrong approach if one wanted to prove it in general. Of course I don't know what the right approach would be. I am satisfied with this case and won't work on this anymore.
 
8:58 PM
I wrote a new question here so maybe someone else can figure the general case out.
 
9:20 PM
What's the main difference between metrics and norms?
 
@Khallil Norm is an abstract way to define "lengths "of vectors in vector spaces. A metric is an abstract way to define "distance" between two points in an arbitrary set.
 
Hello!! Does the following stand?

A function f is Lipschitz continuous on $(x_0, y_0)$ if $\exists L>0$ such that $|f(x,y)-f(x_0,y_0)| \leq L ||(x,y)-(x_0,y_0)||$.

@robjohn @SamuelYusim
 
Thanks, @BalarkaSen. :-)
 
@MaryStar Have you looked at the definition?
 
@robjohn Isn't that the definition?
 
9:24 PM
@MaryStar Yes, then why are you asking?
 
I am asking if I have formulated it correct. @robjohn
 
It's the definition.
 
Are you looking for typos?
They are nasty to find in definitions
:-/
 
10:10 PM
@r9m I think you might be interested in this article theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/jan/04/…
(and chocolate has a powerful anti-inflammatory effect ;))
 
MGA
Hi all. I need a hint for a question in Axler's Linear Algebra: "find all vector spaces that have exactly one basis".
(Not even sure where to start.)
 
@MGA: Let $\{x_\lambda\}$ be a basis. Then certainly $\{cx_\lambda\}$ is also a basis for a nonzero scalar $c$, yes?
 
MGA
Yes, I got that far
 
10:27 PM
So what do you know about the field?
 
MGA
The field must contain only one element?
Well two
{0, 1}
or {0, whatever}
So I guess the vector space F^n over the field {0, c}
 
@MikeMiller I may ask Dan Freed if he knows the answer (I think Ted and Georges are probably the only two people who might know who post here regularly.).
 
@PVAL: I asked Ted earlier, no luck. I was hoping one of the algebraic topologists might do some obstruction theory wizardry mostly.
I would be interested in Dan's answer
 
@MGA Not quite. I would start by narrowing down the dimension of the vector space. (Technically not required, but I think it avoids some complications.) And then use Mike's hint on swapping in scalar multiples into the basis.
 
@MikeMiller I've thought about it a little, and I think if one chases through the usual computation of the (co)homology of $M#N$ and uses the naturality of characteristic classes from the natural maps $M#N \to M$ and $N$, it should be pretty easy to see that the sw-classes and the pontryagin classes factor as $(w_i(M),w_i(N))$ for all but the top dimension and then as $(w_i(M)[M]+w_i(N)[N])[M#N]$, though I haven't written out the computation carefully.
 
10:43 PM
Please when we have a bounded sequence $(x_n)$ then there existe a closed ball $B'$ such that $(x_n)\subset B'$ or any ball can do the job ?
Thank you.
 
For the associated numbers this is obvious as $M#N$ is cobordant to $M$ disjoint union $N$.
 
@MikeMiller can you help me please
 
I think the skeleton argument I gave proves this.
 
hello,
someone help me please
 
11:00 PM
@MikeMiller How do you know that the classifying map is homotopic to $f \vee f$?
The classifying map for a direct sum should nicely depend on the classifying maps for the summands and I think that comes from comparing the pullbacks of the tangent bundles from the maps $M#N \to M$ and $N$ and the tangent bundle of $M#N$.
 
@PVAL: You an construct the connected sum so that the classifying map is literally the connected sum of the classifying maps, in particular so that it restricts to $f \vee f$.
But I think this pullback thing you're suggesting proves it perfectly well too.
 
I believe that. That gives the top dimension as the sum as well I think (i.e. you don't need to know Hirzeburch if you know $p_2(P^4)=10$).
 
Oh, I see.
 
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